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clublights
09-09-2013, 08:40
So they got 64 passed on the premise that the tax money could be used for schools and roads and all that jazz...
Now they are protesting the the tax... apparently 25% is too high ( tho it is about 30% just in colorado taxes on tobacco....)
Oh how they make me laugh...
http://kdvr.com/2013/09/08/pot-tax-protesters-plan-to-hand-out-thousands-of-joints-at-civic-center-park/
Jeffrey Lebowski
09-09-2013, 08:46
Saw that this morning.
This part is my absolute favorite:
Lopez, who believes the industry is already overtaxed and over-regulated, supervised a joint-rolling session at a Denver park on Sunday afternoon. He said Monday’s marijuana distribution would help demonstrate that an untaxed black market in pot could flourish if Proposition AA is passed in November.
[ROFL2]
clublights
09-09-2013, 08:53
yeah they want it both ways ....
legal but untaxed...
Sorry kids don't work that way ...
Maybe we can make a deal with these hippy liberal bastards. (Since they seem to keep electing most of the people in charge).
They can have their tax free pot if we can have back some of our firearms rights.
TheWeeze
09-09-2013, 09:15
See I think the issue is that there is already a black market set up for marijuana. And you put too high of a tax on it and the market will keep going. You start low, then build it up over the years, everything will work itself out. Companies will start manufacturing it in packs (like the tobacco and alcohol industries) at lower costs than they can get it from a dealer, then the dealers have no reason to keep selling it, then tax the piss out of it. Everybody is happy.
Aloha_Shooter
09-09-2013, 09:20
Maybe we can make a deal with these hippy liberal bastards. (Since they seem to keep electing most of the people in charge).
They can have their tax free pot if we can have back some of our firearms rights.
No. Our firearms rights are rights, we shouldn't have to trade anything for them -- and they need to pay tax on their recreational MJ just as I need to pay tax on my bottle of Scotch or Malbec. No deals.
Zundfolge
09-09-2013, 09:25
They can have their tax free pot if we can have back some of our firearms rights.
Some no, ALL ok, maybe I'm willing to talk.
By "all" that means I get to legally CCW without a license onto a commercial airliner flying into NYC an HK MP5k that I bought anonymously via Craigslist from a seller in another state or better yet one I ordered off of HK's webstore and had shipped from Germany directly to my door.
clublights
09-09-2013, 09:31
See I think the issue is that there is already a black market set up for marijuana. And you put too high of a tax on it and the market will keep going. You start low, then build it up over the years, everything will work itself out. Companies will start manufacturing it in packs (like the tobacco and alcohol industries) at lower costs than they can get it from a dealer, then the dealers have no reason to keep selling it, then tax the piss out of it. Everybody is happy.
I think yes and no ...
Kinda like Steve Jobs said with MP3's and the iTunes store .. once there was a legal way to download music more people did it that way rather then steal it ( yes there is still alot of pirated music out there but it is not even close to what it used to be )
I think pot will be the same when you can just run to your corner store to get it and not have to do "shady deals" you are more likely to go the legal route . Less hassle, less fear.
No. Our firearms rights are rights, we shouldn't have to trade anything for them -- and they need to pay tax on their recreational MJ just as I need to pay tax on my bottle of Scotch or Malbec. No deals.
State sales tax on hooch is 2.9%. My math may be off, but last time I checked, 25% is a much larger amount.
Confiscatory tax rates are but one way elected officials can destroy an industry while still allowing it to be technically legal.
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Colorado_Outback
09-09-2013, 09:47
I think pot will be the same when you can just run to your corner store to get it and not have to do "shady deals" you are more likely to go the legal route . Less hassle, less fear.
LOL.
This thread is hilarious.
clublights
09-09-2013, 09:51
State sales tax on hooch is 2.9%. My math may be off, but last time I checked, 25% is a much larger amount.
Confiscatory tax rates are but one way elected officials can destroy an industry while still allowing it to be technically legal.
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That is why I went with smokes as the comparison ...
1.05 per pack + 2.9% plus I think some other tax too ..... ends up on the average to be like 30% total. plus the feds tax it on their end too I believe.
clublights
09-09-2013, 09:53
LOL.
This thread is hilarious.
You don't agree?
Even potheads don't want the hassle of Jonny Law. their is a simple way to get what they want without breaking the law.
Just like all of us would ignore the whole Universal Background Checks if we could get away with it and not chance jail.
Jeffrey Lebowski
09-09-2013, 09:55
Maybe we can make a deal with these hippy liberal bastards. (Since they seem to keep electing most of the people in charge).
They can have their tax free pot if we can have back some of our firearms rights.
My similar thought was that this would be a great way for the tea party / libertarian types to bring these folks into their fold. Finally an issue the hippies might care about.
That is why I went with smokes as the comparison ...
1.05 per pack + 2.9% plus I think some other tax too ..... ends up on the average to be like 30% total. plus the feds tax it on their end too I believe.
I don't smoke, but a 30% tax is utterly outrageous.
Additionally, as has already been pointed out, there's a price point for legal weed that will be so high people will simply opt to go back to buying it on the black market.
That said, I don't pretend to know what that number is.
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Colorado_Outback
09-09-2013, 10:13
You don't agree?
Even potheads don't want the hassle of Jonny Law. their is a simple way to get what they want without breaking the law.
Just like all of us would ignore the whole Universal Background Checks if we could get away with it and not chance jail.
I just find it comical that the majority of the members here have never smoked pot and if they have it was decades ago. Yet everyone here is an expert on Marijuana trade, legal or otherwise.
Tell me again why I would go to the corner store and pay tax on a product thats legal to buy and own in CO again? Oh yea, to avoid all those scary pot dealers!
I have met more than one member here who smokes regularly, not everyone who smokes pot is a useless loser/scary pot dealer.
Most I have met are hardworking, honest and family oriented.
Jeffrey Lebowski
09-09-2013, 10:19
Tell me again why I would go to the corner store and pay tax on a product thats legal to buy and own in CO again?
As opposed to everything else you buy at the corner store?
Colorado_Outback
09-09-2013, 10:28
As opposed to everything else you buy at the corner store?
The black market for Skittles and 20oz Dr Peppers is pretty weak.. Marijuana on the other hand..
Jeffrey Lebowski
09-09-2013, 10:33
The black market for Skittles and 20oz Dr Peppers is pretty weak.. Marijuana on the other hand..
OK, and so if you are looking to try it for a laugh, or maybe entertain some guests and you are this person:
the majority of the members here have never smoked pot and if they have it was decades ago.
and you don't know this person:
I have met more than one member here who smokes regularly <snip>
Most I have met are hardworking, honest and family oriented.
And you don't feel like asking strangers on the street (or the internet) OR you don't feel like asking the most "hardworking, honest and family oriented" people you know where to score some pot, chances are, the corner store is gonna look pretty good. Even with some taxes. $0.02
Not my thing personally, but just looking at it as this person:
an expert on Marijuana trade, legal or otherwise
;)
The black market for Skittles and 20oz Dr Peppers is pretty weak.. Marijuana on the other hand..
Now, Skittles and Purple Drank, on the other hand.............
[AR15]
The black market for Skittles and 20oz Dr Peppers is pretty weak.. Marijuana on the other hand..
Why do people pay itunes and droid store $10+ for an album when it's free on the black market? Plenty of sites and ways to spoof an IP address if you want to go black market. The biggest problem will be getting LEO's to go after black market since untaxed weed would be just like buying unstamped cigarettes at a Brooklyn bodega.
Colorado_Outback
09-09-2013, 10:39
OK, and so if you are looking to try it for a laugh, or maybe entertain some guests and you are this person:
and you don't know this person:
And you don't feel like asking strangers on the street (or the internet) OR you don't feel like asking the most "hardworking, honest and family oriented" people you know where to score some pot, chances are, the corner store is gonna look pretty good. Even with some taxes. $0.02
Not my thing personally, but just looking at it as this person:
;)
Your spot on, but the black market will always be there regardless of the tax rate. My point was that your average "pothead" is going to keep getting it where hes getting it. Even if its "Legal".
3beansalad
09-09-2013, 10:40
Chalk another one up for low information voters.
We want weed. We were told it would raise tax revenues for schools, and believed it, but we don't understand TABOR. We don't like that the people that wrote this measure didn't cover retail sales. We don't like that the people that wrote this didn't address the tax rate. And yet we still voted for it...
And we blame people that don't smoke weed for the shortcomings, and tell them they don't understand marijuana at all.
Comical.
Caulk another one up for low information voters.
We want weed. We were told it would raise tax revenues for schools, and believed it, but we don't understand TABOR. We don't like that the people that wrote this measure didn't cover retail sales. We don't like that the people that wrote this didn't address the tax rate. And yet we still voted for it...
And we blame people that don't smoke weed for the shortcomings, and tell them they don't understand marijuana at all.
Comical.
They don't call it dope for nothing. [ROFL1]
Jeffrey Lebowski
09-09-2013, 10:48
Your spot on, but the black market will always be there regardless of the tax rate. My point was that your average "pothead" is going to keep getting it where hes getting it. Even if its "Legal".
Oh.
This I don't disagree with. Same as the whole iTunes/piracy thing.
clublights
09-09-2013, 10:51
As I pointed out .. JUST LIKE MP3's........
It's base human nature to not want to break the law.
so if the legal route is easy even if more expensive people are likely to do it ... hense how the apple itunes music store took off and lowered the pirating of music ( note I said lowered not eliminated .. alcohol may be legal but moonshiners still exist...) .. it was easy to use convenient and legal.
Colorado_Outback
09-09-2013, 11:07
Caulk another one up for low information voters.
Caulk is pretty sticky... Might have trouble getting that off your chalk board later.. ;)
(I hate auto-correct too)
Colorado_Outback
09-09-2013, 11:10
It's base human nature to not want to break the law.
I think that's more nurture than nature but that's a completely different thread.
I say tax it 50% and reduce the bullshit fees imposed on our vehicle registration.
Icecoldviper
09-09-2013, 12:28
I say tax it 50% and reduce the bullshit fees imposed on our vehicle registration.
Like the government would do that lol.... just more money for them to waste.
BPTactical
09-09-2013, 12:37
Caulk is pretty sticky... Might have trouble getting that off your chalk board later.. ;)
(I hate auto-correct too)
Sticky Caulk?
Eewwww.........
Now wait a minute, if the dope taxes are to go to edumacational purposes then why are they going to throw a ballot inititave next year on an edumactional tax that equates to 20%ish???
Now you all realize why they didn't give a damn about MagPul leaving, they knew they had more than enough revenue brewing in the bongs.
3beansalad
09-09-2013, 12:53
Caulk is pretty sticky... Might have trouble getting that off your chalk board later.. ;)
(I hate auto-correct too)
IFIFM!
I find this all way too funny. I voted against it for several reasons.
* Still illegal at the Federal level
* Is one of the countries largest cash crops, even though it's illegal and being sold under the RADAR
* We'll tax it and then this illegal trade will suddenly get a conscience and decide to follow this new law? No.
* We'll have the government administer this new drug trade and make a total mess of it (as governments do)
* Will create a mess for law enforcement trying to figure out which pot was legal/taxed and which pot was illegal/untaxed
* THC is an intoxicant. How will impairment be judged in regard to DUI or DWI for a fat-soluble chemical?
25% tax is unacceptable for any reason. At least they are handing out 10-99 tax forms with the free joints.
I find this all way too funny. I voted against it for several reasons.
* Still illegal at the Federal level
* Is one of the countries largest cash crops, even though it's illegal and being sold under the RADAR
* We'll tax it and then this illegal trade will suddenly get a conscience and decide to follow this new law? No.
* We'll have the government administer this new drug trade and make a total mess of it (as governments do)
* Will create a mess for law enforcement trying to figure out which pot was legal/taxed and which pot was illegal/untaxed
* THC is an intoxicant. How will impairment be judged in regard to DUI or DWI for a fat-soluble chemical?
I just voted againt it because it was sold as another "for the children/schools" POS. A tax to general fund would have gotten my vote.
As for overtaxing, I'm under the impression that the legally sold stuff is already more expensive then the street stuff. (though that may not be true) People will pay to be able to get it legally. If you only smoke MJ and have no other need for a dealer, you may not want to associate with them. There are of course limits to that but I doubt a 25% tax would do it. A 250% tax probably would drive it right back underground.
I'm pretty sure there is a legal posession amount. Doesn't matter where it came from you can have up to X amount and LE cannot do anything.
It's called cock,, I know cause we had an employee from Mass. And he called it sticky fawk'n cock.
Zundfolge
09-09-2013, 13:17
I voted against it because it makes Colorado a magnet for pot smokers, the overwhelming majority of which will register as Democrats and push this purple state deep blue (which frankly is the reason it was put on the ballot in the first place).
Legalize it at the federal level first and you have my support.
But it is awful funny that the mantra was "legalize it and tax the hell out of it" and then when they get that they bitch about the "tax the hell out of it" part.
I think people need a serious adjustment in their understanding of what/who a weed dealer is. Take your average person you would buy a gun in a parking lot from, and switch from a gun to pot and there you go. Now, how many of you would prefer to go to a store so you didn't have to "deal" with a guy in a parking lot doing a private transfer?
I think people need a serious adjustment in their understanding of what/who a weed dealer is. Take your average person you would buy a gun in a parking lot from, and switch from a gun to pot and there you go. Now, how many of you would prefer to go to a store so you didn't have to "deal" with a guy in a parking lot doing a private transfer?
And then of course you have the weed dealer who is also the gun dealer, so like going to the mall.
Jeffrey Lebowski
09-09-2013, 13:36
* THC is an intoxicant. How will impairment be judged in regard to DUI or DWI for a fat-soluble chemical?
This is one I've long wondered (and been hung up on), especially as a [former] pharmacist with some lab experience on various assays.
I'm told there is something in the works being tested, but I definitely have not kept up at all.
Colorado_Outback
09-09-2013, 13:38
I think people need a serious adjustment in their understanding of what/who a weed dealer is. Take your average person you would buy a gun in a parking lot from, and switch from a gun to pot and there you go. Now, how many of you would prefer to go to a store so you didn't have to "deal" with a guy in a parking lot doing a private transfer?
Well said.
clublights
09-09-2013, 13:39
Here is a brain twister..........
IF weed goes legal at the federal level .. similar to CO's laws...
Does it stay under DEA control ... or does the BATFE get another letter?
clublights
09-09-2013, 13:44
I think people need a serious adjustment in their understanding of what/who a weed dealer is. Take your average person you would buy a gun in a parking lot from, and switch from a gun to pot and there you go. Now, how many of you would prefer to go to a store so you didn't have to "deal" with a guy in a parking lot doing a private transfer?
I've not been a perfect angel my whole life...
I'll leave that at that.. now apples to apples ...
If I could go to a store buy a new/used gun at a reasonable price with no paperwork ................. I'd never have done FTF in a parking lot. with some fairly random person off the internet..
I figure the same would go for buying weed ( if I was into that) I'd rather just hit a store up at my timing, then making calls and trying to meet up with someone in a parking lot somewhere... or having them in my house... ( sorry nice guys or not .. I still would prefer to not have a drug dealer in my house)
Zundfolge
09-09-2013, 13:48
Here is a brain twister..........
IF weed goes legal at the federal level .. similar to CO's laws...
Does it stay under DEA control ... or does the BATFE get another letter?
Depends on HOW they legalize. If all they do on the federal level is reclassify it as a Schedule 2 narcotic then it becomes like any other prescription medication or Schedule 5 it becomes an over the counter drug (but still technically a medication and not a recreational substance). If they remove it from the Controlled Substances Act all-together then its no longer a DEA issue and falls under FDA (unless they put a federal excise tax on it in which case it might fall under BATFE, but probably not since BATFE was moved from US Dept of Treasury to US DOJ ... so I'd suspect FDA would be in charge of federal rules/regs on legalized MJ).
So if the federal legalization is "similar to CO's laws" that would require its removal from the CSA.
clublights
09-09-2013, 13:53
well that is why I said similar to CO laws....
THey might become BATFEM........ HA Batfem ....
sounds like a gay batman .
By the way, giving out free joints sounds very similar to Magpul giving out free mags. Looks like people were paying attention after all.
Colorado_Outback
09-09-2013, 14:23
Heres a hypothetical for you clublights..
If guns were illegal right now and voluntary collection points opened across the state tomorrow at 8am. Would you be there bright and early to turn in what ever you had so you wouldn't "break the law"?
When did Magpul give away "free" mags? The ones you had to buy an event ticket to go and get for "free"?
Jeffrey Lebowski
09-09-2013, 14:52
Depends on HOW they legalize. If all they do on the federal level is reclassify it as a Schedule 2 narcotic then it becomes like any other prescription medication or Schedule 5 it becomes an over the counter drug (but still technically a medication and not a recreational substance). If they remove it from the Controlled Substances Act all-together then its no longer a DEA issue and falls under FDA (unless they put a federal excise tax on it in which case it might fall under BATFE, but probably not since BATFE was moved from US Dept of Treasury to US DOJ ... so I'd suspect FDA would be in charge of federal rules/regs on legalized MJ).
So if the federal legalization is "similar to CO's laws" that would require its removal from the CSA.
Great post.
I might add that the DEA controlls the scheduling of the CSA. So to your last point, when was the last time an alphabetical agency voluntarily gave up some power?
I think far sooner you'd see your scenario of moving it to 2 or 5. What a headache 5s are.
Edit: One other thing regarding the FDA - I could see a huge push for this being moved over to DSHEA - which would effectively yank it out from under FDA.
clublights
09-09-2013, 16:37
Heres a hypothetical for you clublights..
If guns were illegal right now and voluntary collection points opened across the state tomorrow at 8am. Would you be there bright and early to turn in what ever you had so you wouldn't "break the law"?
Nope can't lost em all in that tragic canoe accident ...... ( which would also be why all of the guns I used to have were bought in FTF transactions... pre july 1 2013)
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I'll keepthis simple. Most dispensaries are already priced higher than street dealers. Most dispensaries are struggling to keep their lights on. This tax will increase the price of dispensary marijuna by 30% or more which may not sound like much but you need to consider the following. Dispensary weed is on average 20% more than street weed (dispensaries are often losing money at that price level). Lets say as an example you have a $15 bag of weed on the street, this dispensary charges $20. The dispensary has to charge 8% sales tax on that bag of weed which now makes it 28% more than the street price so now you've got a $22 bag of weed for what you'd get for $15 on the street. Now tack on the newly proposed tax and you're charging $28 for a bag of weed I can buy from my neighbor for $15.</p>
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I have no problem making this issue about the kids but we need to make it honest and talk about the kids. 80% of Mexican cartel money comes from marijuana trafficing. You legalize weed and you cut the cartels off at the neck. How many kids are killed every year in cartel battles? How many kids are sold, raped and treated worse than we treat our dogs because of the sex trafficing game the cartels run? You take away 80% of their money and they wont be able to fund any of their other operations, they will become low level street criminals and our own streets and our own children who walk them will be a LOT safer. But... If their weed is half the price of the weed at the store and I can buy their weed from my neighbor... </p>
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Jeffrey Lebowski
09-09-2013, 20:37
It's obvious that most of you are about as qualified to talk about this subject as the $10 an hour gun "experts" at Gander mountain.
I'll keepthis simple. Most dispensaries are already priced higher than street dealers. Most dispensaries are struggling to keep their lights on. This tax will increase the price of dispensary marijuna by 30%or more which may not sound like much but you need to consider the following. Dispensary weed is on average 20% more than street weed (dispensaries are often losing money at that price level). Lets say as an example you have a $15 bag of weed on the street, this dispensary charges $20. The dispensary has to charge 8% sales tax on that bagof weed which now makes it 28% more than the street price so now you've got a $22 bag of weed for what you'd get for $15 on the street. Now tack on the newly proposed tax and you're charging $28 for a bag of weed I can buy from my neighbor for $15.
I have no problem making this issue about the kids but we need to make it honest and talk about the kids. 80% of Mexican cartel money comes from marijuana trafficing. You legalize the weed and you cut the cartels off at the neck. How many kids are killed eveyr year in cartel battles? How many kids are sold, raped and treated worse than we treat our dogs because of the sex trafficing game the cartels run? You take away 80% of their money and they wont be able to fund any of their other operations, they will become low level street criminals and our own streets and our own children who walk them will be a LOT safer.
But again, you have to be someone willing to buy from your neighbor or find that neighbor in the first place. I don't know your neighbor. That's issue #1.
Issue #2 is that we're saying the same thing, but you're saying what I see as an incentive as a disincentive. I'm not a buyer in any market for this, but $28 for a $15 bag of weed sounds like a bargain to me to not have to deal with the criminal element in any format. That's me personally. I also don't pirate music or movies. Personally. I'd sooner spend $100 on a fine bottle of liquor than $50 on my neighbor's moonshine, too.
In any case, there are WAY, WAY too many dispensaries trying to support too much - "struggling to keep their lights on" so to speak. Just flip through Westword and you can see too many places, all completely commoditized. It isn't quite gasoline or starbucks yet, but didn't we have some sort of factoid on # of dispensaries vs. SBUX in metro Denver? (No idea as to the truth on that). I'm waiting for a few of the bigger players to push the little guys out and have their own "SBUX moment."
Edit: Not to purchase from - but just as my own little interest in this economic case study.
<MADDOG>
09-09-2013, 21:07
Aside from the "legal" issues, I wish to pose a silly question as I am pretty ignorant in this particular subject; is it not legal to grow your own plants (up to six at xyx lbs. if memory serves correctly)?
cfortune
09-09-2013, 23:03
Aside from the "legal" issues, I wish to pose a silly question as I am pretty ignorant in this particular subject; is it not legal to grow your own plants (up to six at xyx lbs. if memory serves correctly)?
I saw some flyer thing the other day for a growing course and that is what it claimed.
So they got 64 passed on the premise that the tax money could be used for schools and roads and all that jazz...
Now they are protesting the the tax... apparently 25% is too high ( tho it is about 30% just in colorado taxes on tobacco....)
Oh how they make me laugh...
http://kdvr.com/2013/09/08/pot-tax-protesters-plan-to-hand-out-thousands-of-joints-at-civic-center-park/
I don't smoke pot but supported the legalization of pot. The government shouldn't have a say in what you do with your body in your home. I didn't vote for this bill however because having to pay a tax to the government to be able to do something that shouldn't be illegal to begin with sets a VERY dangerous precedent. Not to mention the government hasn't displayed the ability to be responsible with the sum of money they're already getting so why would I give them more?
I have never even seen marijuana let alone used it. From my observations of marijuana listed on craiglist. Yes, you can grow you own. BUT, what I see on craigslist is tons and tons and tons of grow equipment for sale all the time. Which lead me to believe that you can buy the equipment and seeds, clones whatever, but its much harder to grow your own. Obviously people do it, but I think after most try it, it would be easier to just go to the store and buy it. Its like shooting and reloading. Some (probably most) guys, just want to shoot. Their hobby is shooting. They dont want to waste the time, energy and money compiling components to create a cartridge. They just go to Walmart, pay a little extra and have ready to go ammo. I would bet dopers are the same way. I dont believe their hobby of smoking dope is necessarily going to make them want to grow their own. Plus, it takes a lot of electricity, equipment and a place to do it. I see the discrete cabinets and tents on craigslist. so you can just see all the renters trying to get away with this in their apartments. As long as the government doesnt screw the dopers too much with the tax, I bet they would rather buy legal dope from a legal store. ITs called convenience. i mean you guys all eat meat and other food, but I dont see you growing your own to save money.
The smart ones put the plants in with the tomatos. That way it is just bonus in the fall.
For the most part you are correct though, it is like any other hobby (think brewing beer) where you have to enjoy doing it for it to be worthwhile. You are probably seeing a surge of secondhand grow equipment now that it is legally available and just not worth it anymore to grow.
clublights
09-10-2013, 09:56
I don't smoke pot but supported the legalization of pot. The government shouldn't have a say in what you do with your body in your home. I didn't vote for this bill however because having to pay a tax to the government to be able to do something that shouldn't be illegal to begin with sets a VERY dangerous precedent. Not to mention the government hasn't displayed the ability to be responsible with the sum of money they're already getting so why would I give them more?
SETS a precedent???
are you kidding me ?
Folks have been paying " sin taxes" for YEARS hense the 30% of state tax on cigarettes alone. and I'm pretty sure the Feds have some additional taxes on them too.
Alcohol has it's taxes too.
SETS a precedent???
are you kidding me ?
Folks have been paying " sin taxes" for YEARS hense the 30% of state tax on cigarettes alone. and I'm pretty sure the Feds have some additional taxes on them too.
Alcohol has it's taxes too.
Exactly my point. Now begging the government for our liberty isn't enough... we have to pay them off to exercise freedoms. Somehow, I don't think that's what our founding fathers had in mind.
Not much related to the federal government over the last 150 years follows the intent of the founders. Unfortunately, the people under that federal government haven't done much to curb it and have actually encouraged much of it.
What are you going to do to change it?
Zundfolge
09-10-2013, 10:54
... Most dispensaries are already priced higher than street dealers. Most dispensaries are struggling to keep their lights on. This tax will increase the price of dispensary marijuna by 30% or more which may not sound like much but you need to consider the following. Dispensary weed is on average 20% more than street weed (dispensaries are often losing money at that price level)...
Most currently open dispensaries are going to go out of business since most of the people on "medical" marijuana are just gaming the system to quasi legally smoke weed ... and it looks like owning a Medical MJ dispensary doesn't guarantee you a recreational MJ license.
In areas of the south where there is a lot of moonshine available, people still buy Jack Daniels even though it's more expensive and taxed heavily because they can trust the quality of JD and the process of purchase is less of a hassle (doubt you can use a credit card to buy from moonshiners ... but in this day and age who knows). Illegal pot dealers quality is hit and miss and making it legal won't change that. So the legal sellers will likely be selling a product that is consistently better quality. That better quality coupled with less risk in dealing with the shady illegal sellers and the ability to use their credit/debit card to purchase will cause most folk to gladly pay more for legal weed (even with high taxes).
The problem is that (ironically much like firearms dealers) MOST of the people engaged in selling weed legally are not good businessmen, they're hobbyists trying to make a living off their hobby. So you'll see a bunch of people come and go while a few smart guys will find ways to make it profitable regardless of the tax policy.
Where there's a will there's a way. And I certainly don't blame those that want to buy legal MJ complaining about the high taxes ... I just have to chuckle because this is a lesson in economics and government that most of the supporters of legal MJ need to learn (I bet the majority of them would have no problem with a $1/round tax on our ammo ... so while on principal I see and even agree with their point, in actuality they're likely my political enemies on other issues so I am going to indulge in a bit of shadenfreude anyway).
Colorado_Outback
09-10-2013, 11:15
Jesus...
This thread reads like a group of Lib's discussing high capacity-baby killing-assault-clip-magazines.
You all need to quit while your ahead.
clublights
09-10-2013, 11:35
Jesus...
This thread reads like a group of Lib's discussing high capacity-baby killing-assault-clip-magazines.
You all need to quit while your ahead.
What ?? LOL
None of us are calling for the ban of pot or even the receding of the law legalizing it.
Most of us are laughing that they ( the potheads) are surprised at the taxing. And we are mostly in agreement that despite the taxing that the general smoker will use the stores rather then black-market .
Colorado_Outback
09-10-2013, 12:18
What ?? LOL
None of us are calling for the ban of pot or even the receding of the law legalizing it.
I was referring to the average posters knowledge of the subject.
There are plenty of little gems sprinkled throughout this thread..
The smart ones put the plants in with the tomatos. That way it is just bonus in the fall.
Did people really think the politicians passed this because the people wanted it? ROFL. Its always about money.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hKYnRvFlzc
sandman76
09-10-2013, 12:35
Did people really think the politicians passed this because the people wanted it? ROFL. Its always about money.
The people voted this one in.
yeah, the politicians did not want legalized pot.
The people voted this one in.
Yet they won't let the people vote on gun laws? They pick and choose what the people have a "choice" on.
clublights
09-10-2013, 12:42
Yet they won't let the people vote on gun laws? They pick and choose what the people have a "choice" on.
The weed supporters got it on the ballot ...
they did the footwork first
The politicians didn't just say "hey lets put it to a vote" .
this is how my understanding of how it went
The weed supporters got it on the ballot ... they did the footwork first The politicians didn't just say "hey lets put it to a vote" . this is how my understanding of how it went
probaly had help form the national orgs like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norml
if only there was something along those lines for gun rights :)
sandman76
09-10-2013, 12:56
No doubt about the hard work getting the issue on the ballot. They busted their ass. I voted for it. Dumbass politicians are screwing this up too. Can't even legalize dope right.
Yep, I voted for it, too. I'll also vote for Prop AA
clublights
09-10-2013, 13:34
I would suggest we gun owners try and get these BS laws over turned with a ballot thing like the weed kids did .......
BUT.
the anti's will smear the campaign so badly that anyone voting for it will be considered a baby killing freak that only James Homles would be friends with.
There is already a campaign to get it on the ballot.
http://putittothepeople.wordpress.com/
clublights
09-10-2013, 13:50
There is already a campaign to get it on the ballot.
http://putittothepeople.wordpress.com/
I like the way it is written in theory it would kill Denver's mag ban too ...
but again .. if there are enough sigs collected to put it on the ballot the anti's will smear the fuck out of it .
I need to go sign up myself.
I say that knowing what the anti's are going to do .. and what sucks is they will get bloomberg money to place TV ad's and all that ... and to counter we will have to use NRA money ( which they will use as a point against us )
god I fuckin hate politics.
newracer
09-10-2013, 14:35
I would suggest we gun owners try and get these BS laws over turned with a ballot thing like the weed kids did .......
BUT.
the anti's will smear the campaign so badly that anyone voting for it will be considered a baby killing freak that only James Homles would be friends with.
My rights will not be decided by a popular vote.
nope, they were taken away by a man from NY :(
nope, they were taken away by a man from NY :(
I take issue with calling that troll a "man".
clublights
09-10-2013, 16:24
My rights will not be decided by a popular vote.
Might be better then letting a minority control them as happened this year.
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