View Full Version : Meanwhile California is getting even worse laws...
I hate to rain on our parade but the tide is turning the other way in California. The legislature passed some really tough laws today. They haven't been signed by Governor Brown but even if he vetoes them the dems have the 2/3 vote to override it.
SB374 will ban the sale of center fire rifles capable of accepting a "feeding device" of more than 10 rounds. The ban on sales is accompanied by REGISTRATION for existing owners. The terms "capable" and "feeding device" are especially critical because it means that if somebody, somewhere makes a magazine or even a tube that rifle makes the list. It also specifically mentions devices removable by a tool so fixed magazine rifles are done along with the bullet button and similar devices invented to "create a loophole" in their previous poorly conceived laws.
They're also looking at laws to flat out ban magazines over 10 rounds regardless of when or how they were obtained, expanding their "Handgun Safety Certificate" to long guns, adding offenses that would prohibit somebody from owning firearms, and making unsafe (guess who will determine what that means) storage of firearms an offense.
There's also the usual bunch of proposals to restrict ammo, go after magazines through other avenues, and attacks on the handgun roster. It's hard to say if they'll get any traction this time around but you never know.
Right now it's late and information on some of those hasn't been obtained yet. I may or may not update this as needed but I have a feeling some of you will beat me to it.
The point is we shouldn't compromise on ANY restriction. This is what it leads to. Keep up those recalls. Stay involved in whatever capacity you can.
We did get lots of support for our recall election.
We should stand with all 2A citizens from all 50 states.
ZERO THEORY
09-11-2013, 07:40
This is f*cking disgusting.
Jeffrey Lebowski
09-11-2013, 07:53
We did get lots of support for our recall election.
We should stand with all 2A citizens from all 50 states.
I agree. I've never understood why folks were OK with NY and CA rules justifying "move to a free state" when the anti's keep using these states and now us as proving grounds and templates for what they want nationwide. Let a few go, and eventually they all will fall. Even Texas, even Arizona. Especially after some sort of amnesty deal.
kawiracer14
09-11-2013, 10:49
Remind me again why the fuck anyone wants to live in California. Sure its pretty in many parts but the cost of living is absolutely obscene, the taxes are ridiculous and you have no freedoms. It's like you move there and you have to hand them your brain so you can't make an informed decision.
Rooskibar03
09-11-2013, 11:23
Remind me again why the fuck anyone wants to live in California. Sure its pretty in many parts but the cost of living is absolutely obscene, the taxes are ridiculous and you have no freedoms. It's like you move there and you have to hand them your brain so you can't make an informed decision.
X2. I don't even want to visit and give them a dime of my money.
Inconel710
09-11-2013, 11:50
I agree. I've never understood why folks were OK with NY and CA rules justifying "move to a free state" when the anti's keep using these states and now us as proving grounds and templates for what they want nationwide. Let a few go, and eventually they all will fall. Even Texas, even Arizona. Especially after some sort of amnesty deal.
Maybe it's because they recognize the impossibility of overturning that much stupidity? CA and NY have been charging towards tyranny for decades and the general populace in both has just begged for more. Why continue living in such an oppressive environment, handing over your tax dollars to pay for your virtual prison? Frankly, Texas is close to going purple right now. They need more freedom minded individuals to stem the tide there.
Any gun control measure, no matter how severe, that passes in one state can be seen as an option by the gun-control proponents in this state.
Remind me again why the fuck anyone wants to live in California. Sure its pretty in many parts but the cost of living is absolutely obscene, the taxes are ridiculous and you have no freedoms. It's like you move there and you have to hand them your brain so you can't make an informed decision.
Funny but before yesterday I would have said we were on the same path. Is Colorado not worth saving? Then why isn't California? In all of it travels I can think of only one geographic location in this country I'd rater live in and that's Southern California. The only thing keeping me from moving there are the things you mentioned but we aren't that far removed from going down that same path.
Zundfolge
09-12-2013, 12:10
Funny but before yesterday I would have said we were on the same path. Is Colorado not worth saving? Then why isn't California?
I would agree that Colorado is on the same path as California, but they're WAY WAY WAY farther down that path then we are.
I don't think its a matter of California not being worth saving, I think its more a matter of saving California looks to be pretty much impossible. However here in Colorado since we're not as far down that path as CA, it seems like it might still be possible to save Colorado.
I'm not sure what it would take to save California, I don't think there are enough pro-liberty people still living there to mobilize to reverse the foolishness that has gone down there. But there ARE enough pro-liberty people HERE ... if we could just get them off their butts and working toward liberty.
buckshotbarlow
09-12-2013, 12:37
Problem is, the libtards come here and try and make us "Kalifornicate"
I think its more a matter of saving California looks to be pretty much impossible.
California's gun laws have been bad enough, for long enough, that people coming of age have never known any different out there. It's similar to people in NY/MA/Etc., they don't view their laws as being nearly as restrictive as someone viewing those same laws from outside of the state where the laws are less restrictive. The demographics are not favorable for CA to ever abandon their gun control path. Their legislators don't simply have a majority, they have such a super-majority that no amount of effort by those at Calguns or other pro-2A groups is going to matter....and the legislators know that and act accordingly. That Yee guy, it's like a contest to see how he can one-up other legislators and propose the most restrictive gun control possible with as much hyperbole as possible when doing so.
My mother lives in CA. I was raised with guns from a very early age (shooting 1911's at 5yrs old, multiple long guns before grade-school). In spite of my upbringing, she now (granted, she's 'advanced in years') deems my gun ownership as unfortunate and says she wishes I didn't own guns. The powers that be out there just keep drilling it into the people's heads that guns=satan, and anyone that owns a gun cannot have any intent other than harming someone with it. Even people, like my mother, that had no issue with my gun hobby as a child, thinks it's unfortunate that someone nearly 50 years old owns guns.
Saving CA in terms of gun rights? -I don't see it happening.
HoneyBadger
09-12-2013, 12:53
Remind me again why the fuck anyone wants to live in California. Sure its pretty in many parts but the cost of living is absolutely obscene, the taxes are ridiculous and you have no freedoms. It's like you move there and you have to hand them your brain so you can't make an informed decision.
Much of California is very beautiful. I lived there for almost a year and made several trips between LA and San Diego. I miss the beauty of it. I lived out in the middle of nowhere, and I enjoyed physically living there. I abhor the politics and the idiocracy that flourish like rabbits in the spring, but it certainly would be an ideal place to live if none of the people were there.
ETA: I added emphasis above because I bet most forum members would agree.
kawiracer14
09-12-2013, 13:25
Much of California is very beautiful. I lived there for almost a year and made several trips between LA and San Diego. I miss the beauty of it. I lived out in the middle of nowhere, and I enjoyed physically living there. I abhor the politics and the idiocracy that flourish like rabbits in the spring, but it certainly would be an ideal place to live if none of the people were there.
ETA: I added emphasis above because I bet most forum members would agree.
I'm not disagreeing on it being a beautiful place to live, but the politics and restrictions on life in general seem to outweigh the beauty.
My friend lived near San Diego for a few years and I very much enjoyed going out to visit him and all the hot girls on the beach all the time ... however I feel like I give enough of my money to the government here .. Don't need to go there and give even more.
wctriumph
09-12-2013, 13:42
CA is lost. It will not be long and the drug cartels will take over LA and SF like they have done to Chicago. We just need to be able to stop them from moving to CO, force them to reside in UT or OR or NV. BGC: if from CA you can't come here (except for us that are grandfathered).
CA is lost. It will not be long and the drug cartels will take over LA and SF like they have done to Chicago. We just need to be able to stop them from moving to CO, force them to reside in UT or OR or NV. BGC: if from CA you can't come here (except for us that are grandfathered).
Easy, drop them from the union for going against the Constitution then build a fence and heavily enforce immigration.
HoneyBadger
09-12-2013, 14:55
I'm not disagreeing on it being a beautiful place to live, but the politics and restrictions on life in general seem to outweigh the beauty.
My friend lived near San Diego for a few years and I very much enjoyed going out to visit him and all the hot girls on the beach all the time ... however I feel like I give enough of my money to the government here .. Don't need to go there and give even more.
That is why I am now living here :)
Aloha_Shooter
09-12-2013, 17:52
Lex has the solution.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqD0pqDOAtk
KestrelBike
09-12-2013, 18:13
I have weapons in CA and I sure as fuck am not going to register them.
hurley842002
09-12-2013, 19:11
Funny but before yesterday I would have said we were on the same path. Is Colorado not worth saving? Then why isn't California? In all of it travels I can think of only one geographic location in this country I'd rater live in and that's Southern California. The only thing keeping me from moving there are the things you mentioned but we aren't that far removed from going down that same path.
Completely agree!
Like Boulder, I absolutely love everything about California.... Except for a majority of the people living there.
My wife and all of her family are from California (she's registered republican and very 2a friendly), I have a bit of an interest in their success.
Zundfolge
09-12-2013, 21:34
Lex has the solution.
I remember when I saw that as a kid the thought occured to me that maybe Superman was the villain of this show.
Bailey Guns
10-12-2013, 08:32
Holy crap! Gov Brown vetoes the new AWB in California.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/11/calif-gov-vetoes-semi-automatic-rifle-ban/?intcmp=latestnews
Holy crap! Gov Brown vetoes the new AWB in California.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/11/calif-gov-vetoes-semi-automatic-rifle-ban/?intcmp=latestnews
It's amazing the effect upcoming elections have on politicians...
Aloha_Shooter
10-12-2013, 10:17
It's amazing the effect upcoming elections have on politicians...
or the effect of recent recalls ... :D
osok-308
10-12-2013, 10:26
Holy crap! Gov Brown vetoes the new AWB in California.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/11/calif-gov-vetoes-semi-automatic-rifle-ban/?intcmp=latestnews
It's about damn time something got blocked in California!!
I don't believe that this bill's blanket ban on semi-automatic rifles would reduce criminal activity or enhance public safety enough to warrant this infringement on gun owners' rights
That quote makes me a little sick to my stomach.
UrbanWolf
10-12-2013, 10:53
Holy crap! Gov Brown vetoes the new AWB in California.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/11/calif-gov-vetoes-semi-automatic-rifle-ban/?intcmp=latestnews
He might be making room for more screwed up gun laws, like registration.
UrbanWolf
10-12-2013, 11:00
Not a victory for out fellows in Cali at all, 14 bills, 7 vetoed, but still 7 signed.
The main one was SB374 where all centerfire rifles with detachable magazines are banned and declared as "assault rifles" that requires registration.
VETOED
AB 180 by Assemblymember Rob Bonta (D-Alameda) – Registration and licensing of firearms: City of Oakland.
AB 169 by Assemblymember Roger Dickinson (D-Sacramento) – Unsafe handguns.
SB 299 by Senator Mark DeSaulnier (D-Concord) – Firearms: lost or stolen: reports.
SB 374 by Senator Darrell Steinberg (D-Sacramento) – Firearms: assault weapons.
SB 475 by Senator Mark Leno (D-San Francisco) – Agricultural District 1-A: firearm sales at the Cow Palace.
SB 567 by Senator Hannah-Beth Jackson (D-Santa Barbara) – Firearms: shotguns.
SIGNED
AB 48 by Assemblymember Nancy Skinner (D-Berkeley) – Firearms: large-capacity magazines.
AB 170 by Assemblymember Steven Bradford (D-Gardena) – Assault weapons and .50 BMG rifles.
AB 231 by Assemblymember Philip Y. Ting (D-San Francisco) – Firearms: criminal storage.
AB 500 by Assemblymember Tom Ammiano (D-San Francisco) – Firearms.
AB 711 by Assemblymember Anthony Rendon (D-Lakewood) – Hunting: nonlead ammunition. A signing message can be found here.
AB 1131 by Assemblymember Nancy Skinner (D-Berkeley) – Firearms.
SB 683 by Senator Marty Block (D-San Diego) – Firearms: firearm safety certificate.
wctriumph
10-12-2013, 11:42
SB683 will require registration of a firearm when transferred. If to a family member that must within 30 days obtain a safety certificate and register the gun with the CA DOJ. As goes CA, so goes the nation. We must continue to fight and vote out any that would put party and idealism above the constitution.
TEA
kidicarus13
10-12-2013, 12:08
SB374: This bill would, instead, classify a semiautomatic centerfire rifle that does not have a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept no more than 10 rounds as an assault weapon. The bill would require a person who, between January 1, 2001, and December 31, 2013, inclusive, lawfully possessed an assault weapon that does not have a fixed magazine, including those weapons with an ammunition feeding device that can be removed readily from the firearm with the use of a tool, and who, on or after January 1, 2014, possesses that firearm, to register the firearm by July 1, 2015
Bailey Guns
10-12-2013, 12:20
Not a victory for out fellows in Cali at all, 14 bills, 7 vetoed, but still 7 signed.
Nonsense. It may not have been a perfect victory but it sure as hell was a victory, if even a small one. Would you have called it a loss if Brown had signed all the bills?
The main one was SB374 where all centerfire rifles with detachable magazines are banned and declared as "assault rifles" that requires registration.
And that was vetoed. That bill would have banned practically every semi-auto that uses a detachable magazine, including common hunting rifles. How is that at least not a small victory?
Regardless...it IS CA and a democrat DID veto some anti-gun legislation. I find it pretty incredible...you may not. It's not like I said it was the end of the fight and CA was on the road to recovery in terms of gun rights.
UrbanWolf
10-12-2013, 13:38
Nonsense. It may not have been a perfect victory but it sure as hell was a victory, if even a small one. Would you have called it a loss if Brown had signed all the bills?
And that was vetoed. That bill would have banned practically every semi-auto that uses a detachable magazine, including common hunting rifles. How is that at least not a small victory?
Regardless...it IS CA and a democrat DID veto some anti-gun legislation. I find it pretty incredible...you may not. It's not like I said it was the end of the fight and CA was on the road to recovery in terms of gun rights.
There is absolutely nothing worthy of celebration. Several more bricks have been added to the wall separating us from our "constitutionally protected" rights.
In CA's situation one law passed is one too many.
Bailey Guns
10-12-2013, 13:54
Fine. Ask gun owners in CA if they're happy the AWB law was vetoed or if they'd rather it had been signed. I'm pretty sure I know what the answer will be.
By that logic the recall elections in CO were not a victory, either, because the bricks in the form of the anti-gun legislation passed earlier this year have already been laid. Ridiculous.
Great-Kazoo
10-12-2013, 14:15
Not a victory for out fellows in Cali at all, 14 bills, 7 vetoed, but still 7 signed.
The main one was SB374 where all centerfire rifles with detachable magazines are banned and declared as "assault rifles" that requires registration.
VETOED
AB 180 by Assemblymember Rob Bonta (D-Alameda) – Registration and licensing of firearms: City of Oakland.
AB 169 by Assemblymember Roger Dickinson (D-Sacramento) – Unsafe handguns.
SB 299 by Senator Mark DeSaulnier (D-Concord) – Firearms: lost or stolen: reports.
SB 374 by Senator Darrell Steinberg (D-Sacramento) – Firearms: assault weapons.
SB 475 by Senator Mark Leno (D-San Francisco) – Agricultural District 1-A: firearm sales at the Cow Palace.
SB 567 by Senator Hannah-Beth Jackson (D-Santa Barbara) – Firearms: shotguns.
SIGNED
AB 48 by Assemblymember Nancy Skinner (D-Berkeley) – Firearms: large-capacity magazines.
AB 170 by Assemblymember Steven Bradford (D-Gardena) – Assault weapons and .50 BMG rifles.
AB 231 by Assemblymember Philip Y. Ting (D-San Francisco) – Firearms: criminal storage.
AB 500 by Assemblymember Tom Ammiano (D-San Francisco) – Firearms.
AB 711 by Assemblymember Anthony Rendon (D-Lakewood) – Hunting: nonlead ammunition. A signing message can be found here.
AB 1131 by Assemblymember Nancy Skinner (D-Berkeley) – Firearms.
SB 683 by Senator Marty Block (D-San Diego) – Firearms: firearm safety certificate.
This one refers to mag rebuild kits. Now instead of buying rebuild kits, CA residents have to buy a mag body here, springs and follower there.
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