View Full Version : Running an Ad in the NY Times for Recent Recall... Who Wants to Pitch in?
This is stemming from a discussion in the politics section and I'm thinking there are those who don't frequent that section that would still like to contribute to such a thing. The idea was hatched up in the recall thread and a few of us are running with the idea. Looks like it's going to cost between $200-$300 and there are a few logistics that need to be addressed to see if we can pull this off. I'm drafting it right now and here's where it's at:
Message: Outspent 8:1 and you still lost. We invite you to meddle in your own affairs. Molan labe, Colorado.
Now, being as it's in the obituary section (seemed the most fitting) it wants a few things as far as common info. Those things are:
Last Name:
First Name:
Funeral Home:
Funeral Hm phn #:
This is where we can get creative. For Last Name I had Bloomberg and for First Name I had Mayor but I'm a bit concerned about backlash given this is an obituary section. The fear here is that the guy gets wind of it and uses his money to launch some sort of attack stating that it's a threat of some sort. Might have to rethink this. Maybe just put Giron & Morse for the names. For funeral home and # we could put something creative and use the phone # field for some number that is significant. Maybe put Bloomberg Mortuary or something like that.
Ideas?
Who's down for chipping in some coin on this?
Here's what I have so far. I took out that 2nd line because it was going to be about $336 as I recall. If we get enough people pitching I have no problem adding it back in or even more.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-QD9bULKdE1Q/UjCw4kHobXI/AAAAAAAAHcU/jp89NQUUjZ8/s327/NYT.JPG
palepainter
09-11-2013, 12:08
I think its a great idea...except, do you think you could fit a pic of Tebow in there somewhere. :)
hghclsswhitetrsh
09-11-2013, 12:08
Count me in for $25
Isn't there some other section that would be a better fit? People go to the obituary section to read about the death of their loved ones.. not sure a political ad would fly. If you can show me examples of this section being used by other people in a similar fashion then i would be on board.
Most papers have a general section of some sort or an announcements section where lawyers and stuff put the mandatory public legal announcements and so on.
first of all it's spelled Molon, with 2 O's...
Don't use B-burg's name anywhere in it, even for registration. Use something generic...
Isn't there some other section that would be a better fit? People go to the obituary section to read about the death of their loved ones.. not sure a political ad would fly. If you can show me examples of this section being used by other people in a similar fashion then i would be on board.
Most papers have a general section of some sort or an announcements section where lawyers and stuff put the mandatory public legal announcements and so on.
I agree. This doesn't belong in obituaries.
Need to say Bloomberg is next. Or something along those lines. "More politicians to follow.. etc.". We are doing this to send a message and gloat --- so we need to do both, well.
I just zipped up my flame suit so here goes:
Would the $256 be better spent via one of the organizations fighting to retain 2A rights instead of a 'nanny-nanny-boo-boo' ad that will do little other than energize the anti-2A crowd to turn up to the polls if a recall occurs in the future?
OK, crawling into hole while wearing flame suit....
I thought it was spelled Molon Labe in English.
I can understand wanting to keep it cheap, but don't make it so cryptic that only we know what it means.
I think its a great idea...except, do you think you could fit a pic of Tebow in there somewhere. :)
Too soon.
Count me in for $25
I may set up a Paypal dealio for people to chip in. The cheapest it will be is 4 lines which is what you see. I can add more to it but it looks like it runs around $50 per line so we need to take that into consideration.
Isn't there some other section that would be a better fit? People go to the obituary section to read about the death of their loved ones.. not sure a political ad would fly. If you can show me examples of this section being used by other people in a similar fashion then i would be on board.
Most papers have a general section of some sort or an announcements section where lawyers and stuff put the mandatory public legal announcements and so on.
This is a good idea. I wasn't super keen on doing it in the obit section as that seems kind if disrespectful but makes a point. The idea is to do this online in an area that isn't highly scrutinized so that we can actually get it in there w/o them kicking it back. There is a general section I believe so I will have to look into this as well.
first of all it's spelled Molon, with 2 O's...
Don't use B-burg's name anywhere in it, even for registration. Use something generic...
It's technically ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ but I'm not sure they'll allow that. I cut and pasted someone else's suggestion so while I can't take credit for the typo I will certainly fix it before it goes to print. I was in such a hurry to get the ball rolling that I didn't spend too much time proof reading yet. Good catch though.
Need to say Bloomberg is next. Or something along those lines. "More politicians to follow.. etc.". We are doing this to send a message and gloat --- so we need to do both, well.
I agree that the idea here is to send a message. Just getting something on print instead of just passing mentions in another thread so that we can discuss and adjust.
I just zipped up my flame suit so here goes:
Would the $256 be better spent via one of the organizations fighting to retain 2A rights instead of a 'nanny-nanny-boo-boo' ad that will do little other than energize the anti-2A crowd to turn up to the polls if a recall occurs in the future?
OK, crawling into hole while wearing flame suit....
I get what you're saying but it's more of a message to assert that we're here and we're not going away easily. Might even drum up some more national attention to our cause and get the 'silent majority' a little more vocal. I'm tired of being the silent majority because it's giving the fewer squeaky wheels too much power to their voice and their concerns.
I thought it was spelled Molon Labe in English.
I can understand wanting to keep it cheap, but don't make it so cryptic that only we know what it means.
I agree and if we get enough people chipping in and contributing we can go several lines and put whatever message we want.
These are the categories I'm presented with upon starting to place an ad as a private entity:
Residential Real Estate
Recruitment
Commercial Real Estate
Business Opportunities
Autos
In Memoriam
So as you can see there really isn't a 'General' category that I can select to post this in.
BPTactical
09-11-2013, 12:25
I just zipped up my flame suit so here goes:
Would the $256 be better spent via one of the organizations fighting to retain 2A rights instead of a 'nanny-nanny-boo-boo' ad that will do little other than energize the anti-2A crowd to turn up to the polls if a recall occurs in the future?
OK, crawling into hole while wearing flame suit....
^^^^ this
As much as we would love to go:"Nana nana boo boo, you got it in the poo poo" we are best suited gearing up for the big fight in '14.
Real winners win with dignity and grace.
We let our ballots speak and they spoke loud and clear.
No need to say more.
Real winners win with dignity and grace.
We let our ballots speak and they spoke loud and clear.
No need to say more.
Party pooper.
Bailey Guns
09-11-2013, 12:31
^^ Both of those. (What BP and hatidua said)
ETA: If the ad was focused on something like "Thanks to the pro-2A people of NY who stood with Colorado patriots" or something along the same lines, I'd be good with it.
UrbanWolf
09-11-2013, 12:34
I just zipped up my flame suit so here goes:
Would the $256 be better spent via one of the organizations fighting to retain 2A rights instead of a 'nanny-nanny-boo-boo' ad that will do little other than energize the anti-2A crowd to turn up to the polls if a recall occurs in the future?
OK, crawling into hole while wearing flame suit....
^^ This,.
I'll also dug a hole and wear a radiation suit.
^^^^ this
As much as we would love to go:"Nana nana boo boo, you got it in the poo poo" we are best suited gearing up for the big fight in '14.
Real winners win with dignity and grace.
We let our ballots speak and they spoke loud and clear.
No need to say more.
I grew up in Nebraska and was taught good sportsmanship. After a few decades of being a good sport in most aspects of life it seems quite obvious to me that those who gloat and bandstand are gaining momentum and following from the younger generation. Dignity and grace is what got us into this predicament to begin with while the other side is bringing on new supporters by the truck-load. I think we need to take this opportunity to hoist or colors and show that we're not backing down or going quietly in the night.
Bailey Guns
09-11-2013, 12:37
Well...knock yourself out then.
I'm in for a jab. But I thought the idea was to have a full page ad?
Count me if for some money. Just one question. Who do we want to see this ad? If its bloomberg why not put it the RINO section or married men seeking men section so we know he will read it?
And about that RINO thing. Is there a way to kick him out of the R party and force him to show his true self?
ChunkyMonkey
09-11-2013, 12:40
If you really want to spend money on an ad.. I would encourage those gun owners in NY that they also have hope, and we are fighting in CO not only for ourselves etc... just mho.
I'm in for a jab. But I thought the idea was to have a full page ad?
Count me if for some money. Just one question. Who do we want to see this ad? If its bloomberg why not put it the RINO section or married men seeking men section so we know he will read it?
And about that RINO thing. Is there a way to kick him out of the R party and force him to show his true self?
Full page ads in the New York Times cost money. Lots of money. They will also be proof'd by someone and more likely to kick it back. I'm sure the NYT likes money these days but I'm still skeptical about this panning out even if we raised the money for a full-page add.
If you really want to spend money on an ad.. I would encourage those gun owners in NY that they also have hope, and we are fighting in CO not only for ourselves etc... just mho.
I like this idea. I like the approach of giving the people of NY some encouragement through our success as a state against tyrannical laws. This approach is much less nanny nanny boo boo but still conveys the same message underneath the call to action by another group of oppressed people who might side with our cause.
ChunkyMonkey
09-11-2013, 12:45
I like this idea. I like the approach of giving the people of NY some encouragement through our success as a state against tyrannical laws. This approach is much less nanny nanny boo boo but still conveys the same message underneath the call to action by another group of oppressed people who might side with our cause.
In this case.. I ll pitch in.
bellavite1
09-11-2013, 12:46
I am done with polite and sportsman's like.
Democrats play dirty all the time, lie, cheat, you name it.
So, if we get the chance to have, FOR ONCE, some cheap entertainment and satisfaction, I say let's do it.
Count me in for $25.
As far as what to write, let's see first how much we can put together.
I'd love to buy a page...
Because...[fyou]
I am done with polite and sportsman's like.
Democrats play dirty all the time, lie, cheat, you name it.
So, if we get the chance to have, FOR ONCE, some cheap entertainment and satisfaction, I say let's do it.
Count me in for $25.
As far as what to write, let's see first how much we can put together.
I'd love to buy a page...
Because...[fyou]
This is my thought too. People keep talking about making our voice known and rising up against the tyrannical powers that be but a small posting in the New York Times is too rogue? Dafuq? No wonder our rights are being eroded. Heaven forbid we take an out loud stand for our rights once in a while. Maybe what we need is MORE stuff like this. Obviously being the 'silent majority' isn't getting us anywhere but compromise at best and outright made into outlaws for constitutional freedoms at worst. Maybe it's time we took the opportunities to make our voices heard and gain some momentum for the next movement to regain rights rather than sit idly by quietly waiting for the next attack on our rights. Eff that! WE need to be the aggressors. WE need to be on the offensive. WE need to be the men that our country was founded by. I want something to spark our 'group' into a bit of a fervor to have better turnouts at elections. To have more of a voice when bills are introduced. We need to stop being quiet pussies who are taken what is given us with a smile while quietly planning how we'll spend the next two years planning an attempt to get back a small portion of what was lost. This defeatist mentality has got us NOWHERE and it should be painfully obvious to everyone by now. We need to strike while the iron is hot and unless you have a better idea this is a way to strike now.
Just my 7 cents adjusted for inflation.
The idea was to run a full page ad so people would see it though.
If you really want to spend money on an ad.. I would encourage those gun owners in NY that they also have hope, and we are fighting in CO not only for ourselves etc... just mho.
Oh I *really* like this idea.
The idea was to run a full page ad so people would see it though.
I don't recall saying it wasn't possible. So far I've got not even enough money pledged for the tiny 4-line ad though so if people want a full page ad they'll have to put their money where their mouth is. I'll type up whatever we want and place the ad but it's going to be expensive to take out a pull page in the NYT. I know 'Full page ad in the NYT' is a catchy thing to say but it also comes at a price. We're not talking about 'hundreds' of dollars anymore.
I posted before reading everything. I'm torn between my original idea and Chunky's idea. Even a small ad would get attention if there is a picture of a black rifle. Not to mention that I think ads might have more placement options within the paper. Most importantly, THANK YOU, for taking the initiative to run with this idea.
ChunkyMonkey
09-11-2013, 13:08
The idea was to run a full page ad so people would see it though.
$65k last time our NY branch ran it (2012)..and thats on a standby date. [panic]
How about one of our artists draws a cartoon picture of a military style boot kicking Bloomberg out of Colorado and running it as a political cartoon?
I posted before reading everything. I'm torn between my original idea and Chunky's idea. Even a small ad would get attention if there is a picture of a black rifle. Not to mention that I think ads might have more placement options within the paper. Most importantly, THANK YOU, for taking the initiative to run with this idea.
Sure man, I liked the idea from the jump and am open to suggestions and ideas. I want this to be a group effort.
$65k last time our NY branch ran it (2012)..and thats on a standby date. [panic]
Yeah, I saw something that said something like $24,000 starting price and kept right on going to a small listing. I mean, if people want to invest thousands in this I'll champion the effort but I'm not personally investing anywhere near the kind of money required to do something like that. I think we need to stop talking about full-page ads in the NYT because it's just clouding the situation since it's obliviously not going to happen without NRA backing. Dudley, where's your dollars?? lol
How about one of our artists draws a cartoon picture of a military style boot kicking Bloomberg out of Colorado and running it as a political cartoon?
It takes more than that man.
Looks like if we go with the full page route we are going to have set up a donation site for whomever reads it and agrees can donate. Also, we could set up a donation site for those that oppose it too just to gauge how many people in NY want to put their money where their mouth is.
We can just return the money of the opposing side later since it will mostly be from bloomers himself.
Looks like if we go with the full page route we are going to have set up a donation site for whomever reads it and agrees can donate. Also, we could set up a donation site for those that oppose it too just to gauge how many people in NY want to put their money where their mouth is.
We can just return the money of the opposing side later since it will mostly be from bloomers himself.
I'm fine with spending a little bit for this but if you're talking tens of thousands those are funds better spent on the next recall or campaigns IMO. A few hundred bucks? Sure. Tens of thousands of dollars? I'm not interested in that because I think it's wasteful in this instance.
buffalobo
09-11-2013, 14:20
Design full page ad, announce intention to buy space, start site to take donations. Members here start spreading ad around forums, facebook etc, make lots of noise, go viral, get national attention.
I have my doubts that NYT is actually going to accept such an ad at any price.
The Denver Post has refused or jacked the price out of touch on this type of thing before and don't see NYT being much different.
Sent from my electronic ball and chain.
I have my doubts that NYT is actually going to accept such an ad at any price.
The Denver Post has refused or jacked the price out of touch on this type of thing before and don't see NYT being much different.
This is kind of what I was thinking too.
I would do something that tells NY gun owners to follow Colorado's lead and kick them out.
I wonder if you could find an independent print shop to print up flyers and then pay people to hand them out? No way to block that and you'll get more bang for your buck. No pun intended.
buffalobo
09-11-2013, 15:21
This is kind of what I was thinking too.
Do all the prep work, then let social media take over, keep spreading around til it grows legs and goes viral. If such a hot topic as this goes viral, it will get natl. attention and be reported on. No need to actually buy ad space, just make everybody think so.
Sent from my electronic ball and chain.
newracer
09-11-2013, 15:29
Waste of resources in my opinion but go for it if you wish.
You would probably get more views just posting it on craigslist.
XC700116
09-11-2013, 16:29
IDK, I have a hard time giving money to a liberal rag that's done absolutely everything they can to go against us at every turn, especially when they will probably twist it up before they print it, or just kick it back anyway. The money would be better spent going after the next A-hole on the list for recall IMO. If we can get together and keep going, recalling more political whores, that will give them a MUCH bigger F-You, gain more support and attention, and be overall much more productive to the cause than any full page add in a rag like the NYT. Not to mention help to continue to drain their political funds. Hell look how much they spent losing this time around.
Jeffrey Lebowski
09-11-2013, 16:45
I just zipped up my flame suit so here goes:
Would the $256 be better spent via one of the organizations fighting to retain 2A rights instead of a 'nanny-nanny-boo-boo' ad that will do little other than energize the anti-2A crowd to turn up to the polls if a recall occurs in the future?
OK, crawling into hole while wearing flame suit....
^^^^ this
As much as we would love to go:"Nana nana boo boo, you got it in the poo poo" we are best suited gearing up for the big fight in '14.
Real winners win with dignity and grace.
We let our ballots speak and they spoke loud and clear.
No need to say more.
IDK, I have a hard time giving money to a liberal rag that's done absolutely everything they can to go against us at every turn, especially when they will probably twist it up before they print it, or just kick it back anyway. The money would be better spent going after the next A-hole on the list for recall IMO. If we can get together and keep going, recalling more political whores, that will give them a MUCH bigger F-You, gain more support and attention, and be overall much more productive to the cause than any full page add in a rag like the NYT. Not to mention help to continue to drain their political funds. Hell look how much they spent losing this time around.
I'm with these three.
It isn't being polite. Not taunting is not riling up their base.
It is saving for our next battle.
That's just my personal opinion as well. :)
10mm-man
09-11-2013, 18:27
No on obituary. Use Hickenloopers office number for the funeral home.
I'm in for $20
10mm-man
09-11-2013, 18:30
These are the categories I'm presented with upon starting to place an ad as a private entity:
Business Opportunities
2 Non 2nd amendment infringing State senators needed!
If you accept Bloombergs $, listen to the White House, you will immediately be terminated.
Opportunity to escape NY and come to the land of the "Free and Brave!"
Must stand For liberty and Freedom, blah blah blah
Aloha_Shooter
09-11-2013, 18:46
I prefer:
First Name: Stalinist
Last Name: Totalitarianism
Date of Death: Sep 10, 2013
Funeral Home: Bloomberg Agenda
Funeral Home Ph Number: 1-888-328-7448
They spit on the foundations of democracy, lied about what they did and who opposed them, tried to steal their way to victory, outspent their opponents 8:1, AND STILL LOST. Coloradans are taking their state back. In lieu of flowers, Colorado requests donations to the freedom-loving organizations that rid the state of Morse and Giron. Molon Labe.
Oh yeah, and I'm in for $50 but put it in the NY Post ... no money to the NY Times.
I'm in for 25 I'm sure Dudley has wasted more of our money then this ad costs
ZERO THEORY
09-11-2013, 19:07
I'm willing to chip in, on two conditions:
-Don't place it in the obituaries
-Don't name Bloomberg
He'll use it to not only torpedo the ad, but sensationalize Colorado as a land of radicals. It'll only undo any traction we've gained amongst undecided voters or libs considering the alternative. We should be showing them that we're reasonable and intelligent; drawing their votes and support. This just comes off as petty and juvenile.
10mm-man
09-11-2013, 19:54
I Colorado as a land of radicals petty and juvenile. Who says we aren't? Been around much?
ZERO THEORY
09-11-2013, 20:39
Who says we aren't? Been around much?
Titles don't scare me. But I believe in working (and fighting) smarter, not harder. We could mount what equates to a full frontal assault on a more well-funded and larger opposition in broad daylight at their front gate where their defense is strongest.
...or we could gain entry to their city, start whispering in the ears of their fellowship, and start planting the seeds of doubt amongst their people. Let them crumble from within. Don't think that's an effective strategy? Well, the left did a pretty damn good job using it against us.
10mm-man
09-12-2013, 08:20
Titles don't scare me. But I believe in working (and fighting) smarter, not harder. We could mount what equates to a full frontal assault on a more well-funded and larger opposition in broad daylight at their front gate where their defense is strongest.
...or we could gain entry to their city, start whispering in the ears of their fellowship, and start planting the seeds of doubt amongst their people. Let them crumble from within. Don't think that's an effective strategy? Well, the left did a pretty damn good job using it against us.
Yea, ok.
Sorry, I don't think it's good idea. Just a waste of time, energy and money. Not likely to be seen by many, if any, who give a shit or even know what it's about. Won't mean a damn thing to 99.9% of those who even see it. New Yorkers live in their own world. To them, Colorado is just some place out west where people go skiing.
I agree. Money better spent supporting the sheriffs' lawsuit against our mag cap ban.
Well I'm out anyway. I thought this would be easier to organize so I made a little time to work on it yesterday & had hoped to have a consensus & have it in the paper this morning. I'm busy for the next few days so I'm out as far as spearheading the effort. If someone else wants to take the reigns & run with it I'll contribute financially but I'm no longer able to sort the details.
ZERO THEORY
09-12-2013, 11:14
Yea, ok.
Care to elaborate?
Okay, so we look to have a few different camps here. A lot of people are willing to donate, but not all for the same reasons. Do you guys want to just save money to support other groups, recalls, future elections? Anyone still want to put a stick in the eye at some local paper? I'm really pretty torn on the whole idea and was really just trying to be funny. Discuss amongst yourselves.
I am in for 25 too. I love shooting a shot across the bow to scare the Dems this way. It drives it into the minds that weaking the 2nd Amendment and our rights will get them tossed out. The more that is reinforced, the more this becomes a non partisan issue. I would also suggest reminding people of semi recent past history.
Sept 1994... the Dems pass the first Assault Weapons Ban.
November 1994, the Dems lose in the largest wave of electoral loss in modern history.
History repeats in Colorado... Never before in state history has any Senator been recalled. We recalled 2.
Leave our 2nd Amendment rights alone.
Molon Labe
I also think this is very important. We WANT to instill fear into any politician that is for gun control. We want them to worry about their jobs. We NEED to capitalize on this victory or they will quickly try to forget it and keep on doing bad things for the 2nd Amendment. We want it to become common knowledge that politicians will lose if they go after gun rights.
NOW IS THE TIME to stick it back in their face!!!!!
So let me get this straight, the NY Times may not post a full page ad telling Bloomberg to GTFO of Colorado but they will put Vladimir Putin in?
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opinion/putin-plea-for-caution-from-russia-on-syria.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
SA Friday
09-12-2013, 19:33
Waste of time, money and ink. Bloomberg will continue on with the support of his zombie minions until he is dead or broke. This ad will accomplish nothing.
This add will accomplish nothing? We have the 1994 election loss post AWB and now this out here in Co. This is a pattern that needs to be drilled into the heads of the gun grabbers. It matters, because this is a propaganda war.
I've got no delusions about accomplishing anything more than publishing a stick in the eye.
SA Friday
09-12-2013, 19:48
This add will accomplish nothing? We have the 1994 election loss post AWB and now this out here in Co. This is a pattern that needs to be drilled into the heads of the gun grabbers. It matters, because this is a propaganda war.
You think they are so stupid they don't know that? Even Clinton was quoted that all the Dem seats were lost because of the Brady Bill. They know, and they don't fucking care, period. They have the backing of the Great leader and they are feeling their power after sticking it to gun owners for the last year. They won't stop until they are gone. They won't be gone until there is a serious cleansing in this country. That won't happen until there is a catastrophic even that will demand this change. The last one in this country was the Civil War. I suspect we will see another event within the next 100 years. It will be our kids or our grandkids dealing with this and I doubt there's a whole lot we can do to stop it. We can only hold on.
When you show people the evidence that they are wrong and they refuse to believe, then stop wasting your time with convincing and start isolating the damage they can actually do.
I think many of them thought that times changed or that 1994 was a fluke. We need to remind them that those who do not learn from the past, are doomed to repeat it.
OtterbatHellcat
09-12-2013, 20:17
Well I'm out anyway. I thought this would be easier to organize so I made a little time to work on it yesterday & had hoped to have a consensus & have it in the paper this morning. I'm busy for the next few days so I'm out as far as spearheading the effort. If someone else wants to take the reigns & run with it I'll contribute financially but I'm no longer able to sort the details.
Jer...I appreciate the idea, and your effort, man.
I also understand your frustration. There are a lot of different opinions and a lot of them make sense, as far as how to go about it....and unfortunately, there are equally strong points about not doing it at all.
Hard deal.
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