View Full Version : CSPD to auction firearms - Link/Update Included
WillysWagon
02-18-2009, 19:01
Looks like council gave approval for Colo Spgs Police to auction confiscated firearms instead of destroying them. The city manager tried to argue for not putting them back on the street (she's from Cali), but was shot down quickly by Councilmember Small. The El Paso County Sheriffs Office (EPSO) auctions theirs, so the city will follow suite. Not a huge deal, but a 'positive movement' in firearms for the Springs. I heard this on the City channel today.
Kyle
Link & update a few posts down.
Do you have a link so that I can pass on this positive piece of news?
If it is anything like other counties do, they will auction them off in groups to FFLs only. My local guy got some one time. Tons and tons of shotguns. Some that were basically useless, but I did get a damn near brand new winchester defender for $125 out the door.
He recently got another one for handguns and scored some really nice ruger wheelguns. He collets them but told me he could sell them for $200 bucks and still make plenty of money on them. that shows you how much they get these for.
The PDs do some research however as there was a very nice WWI 1911 that sold by itself for about $1K or so.
Anyways, it would be awesome if there was a sale to all citizens and do a background check but more than likely it will be a private FFL only kind of deal.
WillysWagon
02-18-2009, 20:44
Nothing as far as a timeline goes. As Sniper said, it'll only be to FFL's though. But maybe we can get one of our 'local' FFL's to go and bid for us. This is something council will actually vote on next week, so links and all should be available then. The city estimates they'll make an additional $10K in revenue.
I wonder what their crap to quality ratio is?
theGinsue
02-18-2009, 22:50
....But maybe we can get one of our 'local' FFL's to go and bid for us.
Now that's a great idea.
WillysWagon
02-19-2009, 08:02
I wonder what their crap to quality ratio is?
I'd say high crap, lower quality, but there's always that 'needle in the haystack'.
WillysWagon
02-19-2009, 11:51
Taken from todays paper 19 Feb The Gazette, page A6/Budget (??)
The council told the police department to start auctioning firearms seized in criminal investigations, which is expected to bring in $10,000. Police have been destroying the weapons after they were no longer needed as evidence, and they had recommended against an auction. Vice Mayor Larry Small said he sees no reason not to sell the weapons, and all the council except Jan Martin agreed.
"I think that's an item that has value, just like the automobiles we sell," he said.
Linky: It's the last part of the section
http://www.gazette.com/articles/city_48386___article.html/council_cuts.html
The1andOnlyKC
02-19-2009, 13:24
My guess would be they are starting to hurt for money and are now seeing a price tag on everything instead of seeing it as a dangerous item to destroy.
Bet the quality ones are already gone[PoPo]
WillysWagon
02-19-2009, 13:56
My guess would be they are starting to hurt for money and are now seeing a price tag on everything instead of seeing it as a dangerous item to destroy.
+1
Bet the quality ones are already gone[PoPo]
no way man, everyone is the CSPD is completely honest and upright and would never, ever swipe used evidence for personal use!
[ROFL1]
My guess would be they are starting to hurt for money and are now seeing a price tag on everything instead of seeing it as a dangerous item to destroy.
+2!
sniper_tim
02-20-2009, 17:44
I've tried bidding on these before in other cities, typically went to FFL's who were buddies with the police cheif and contained provisions about deep discounts for new equipment for the city (like ammo or guns for officers). But it is always worth trying to get an FFl to bid, maybe one of the featured sellers on the site.
no way man, everyone is the CSPD is completely honest and upright and would never, ever swipe used evidence for personal use!
Take your police bashing comments elsewhere.
WillysWagon
02-21-2009, 10:32
Take your police bashing comments elsewhere.
+1, I'm not positive here, but I think we have some LEO's on this site [Police]
It's VERY disappointing that this is a place where everyone swings from cops nuts and pretends like they can do no wrong just because they are police. I HOPE there are cops here.
Any cop who steals from the department is a FUCK and deserves to publicly outed, how about that?
It's VERY disappointing that this is a place where everyone swings from cops nuts and pretends like they can do no wrong just because they are police. I HOPE there are cops here.
Any cop who steals from the department is a FUCK and deserves to publicly outed, how about that?
How about anyone that steals...
Lots of Local, State and Federal LE here.
I have an idea. Instead of selling the guns to a select group like FFL's only. Where they are pretty much selling the guns for scrap. (Politicians don't know anything about guns. Crazy right?) They could sell them on consignment with FFL's or at a gun show. Everyone would love the discount table.
I have an idea. Instead of selling the guns to a select group like FFL's only. Where they are pretty much selling the guns for scrap. (Politicians don't know anything about guns. Crazy right?) They could sell them on consignment with FFL's or at a gun show. Everyone would love the discount table.
you know they're not gonna do that...
you know they're not gonna do that...
I need to run for office.
How about anyone that steals...
Lots of Local, State and Federal LE here.
Correct. I've never been a member of a forum that didn't have lots of LEOs on it. I came across harsh, but police should NOT be a protected class.
I have an even better idea, the Sheriff's office should hold the auction and only those with their concealed permits get to bid.
WillysWagon
02-21-2009, 20:00
I have an even better idea, the Sheriff's office should hold the auction and only those with their concealed permits get to bid.
The Sheriff's office 'does' auction their firearms, but only to FFL's.
I like your idea better XJ [Beer]
ldmaster
02-21-2009, 22:56
The police do get first shot at seized guns, if they're suitable for carry a police officer, they become department property and ISSUED to the officer. What is a "suitable" weapon?
At many/most police departmetns it's limited to what the armorer is qualified to fix. Typically all glocks, sigs and occasionally a couple of other types (depending on the area of the country - ruger is big in the south) get put into police inventory for issue.
The problem? Well, the gun needs a thorough going over by the armorer before issuance, it might need updated parts (like with a glock) or have aftermarket features added (almost always disqualifying it for carry) that need to be removed.
An HKP7 would go to auction, an HK USP might not.
A S&W Mod 25 would go to auction, a S&W Centennial might not.
The law allows a department to seize a gun if the department will certify that it is for official duty use. In some cases a few unusual guns might make it into inventory for training purposes - like showing unsaavy officers how to unload a Dan Wesson revolver (weird catch location) or an older Astra Cub. These guns MIGHT be shot at the range, but never issued - and never gifted to an officer.
In many/most cases they'll share the database with other local departments, and the inventory might get picked clean that way. But all the guns would have to go into the inventory, and become property of the government that seized them - never the property of an individual officer. Although I have heard of rare circumstances where an officer bought a gun out of seized inventory, it was ALWAYS at bluebook rates.
Guys, you gotta know that MOST cops are not gun nuts or collectors. They have their duty stuff, and most commonly nothing else - and no desire for it.
The conversion of the gun to private use of an individual officer would have to involve fair payment, anything else and you have official misconduct at the LEAST and theft of one degree of another. A cop's career would be OVER if he took a gun he seized. A 50k or more a year job is REALLY worth risking by the theft of a 350 dollar gun? Or even a 1000 dollar gun.
NOT...
WillysWagon
02-21-2009, 23:04
What I'm happy about is the City is going to auction them back to FFL's and not destroy them. Hey, it's a small 'positive step forward' in respect to guns. Now we just have to hope council doesn't change their minds when voting next week to make it official.
Heck, e-mail all the council members and say what a great idea it is.
jerrymrc
02-22-2009, 19:38
I do know that many wanted to purchase there duty weapon after the last turn in. At the last Springs show the vendor next to me had two of there turn in's that he had purchased.
At first I did not know what was going on. All I heard was "Those SOB's They told us we could buy them back after inspection". He then explained that he wanted to buy his back and they would have first shot at them. The vendor had two CSPD pistols on the table.
I do think it is time to drop a line to the city manager and ask her to go home.
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