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News just reported that there is an active shooter at a Naval shipyard in Washington D.C. They reported multiple victims and still on-going. I don't have a link, as I saw it when I walked by my television just now.
Bailey Guns
09-16-2013, 07:17
Fox is reporting "at least one" injured. No details at all.
stoner01
09-16-2013, 07:19
Read shooter was holed up in an admin building and was using a shotgun.
Aloha_Shooter
09-16-2013, 08:25
News reported that it's a six foot male armed with an AR-type rifle. I'm kind of curious how someone gets an AR past security there. Funny how there seems to be a new gun incident whenever the controllers need to get past some pro-gun news ...
Fox is now saying "at least ten shot"........
News reported that it's a six foot male armed with an AR-type rifle. I'm kind of curious how someone gets an AR past security there. Funny how there seems to be a new gun incident whenever the controllers need to get past some pro-gun news ...That is some tinfoil hat shit... if it were not true.
BPTactical
09-16-2013, 08:31
Funny how there seems to be a new gun incident whenever the controllers need to get past some pro-gun news ...
Coincidence I am sure......
You know, last week after the recalls I had the thought of how long until some incident that re-kindles the fires occurs.
anaphylaxis
09-16-2013, 09:07
Fortunately this is in a "gun free zone" so everything will be fine.
Aloha_Shooter
09-16-2013, 09:10
Oh, I'm not suggesting any kind of conspiracy ... don't believe in them. Just remarking on the curious coincidence of how these stories seem to pop up whenever there's been some positive news for 2A supporters.
UrbanWolf
09-16-2013, 09:17
I like how the media knows nothing about the shooter but know everything that about he is using an AR-15.
UrbanWolf
09-16-2013, 09:19
Read shooter was holed up in an admin building and was using a shotgun.
If it's a shot gun, then Joe Biden is to blame.
elk_chase1
09-16-2013, 09:33
Funny how there seems to be a new gun incident whenever the controllers need to get past some pro-gun news ...
Or any negative news story for that matter. The Syria deal is a giant cluster for the administration....losing in public opinion polls. And, just so happens to be some new bills that are being drafted by house Dems that will impose confiscatory taxs on ammo, gun sales, etc. How coveeeenient!
Must...pull...tinfoil hat...tighter......
mtnrider
09-16-2013, 09:48
"People who were inside the building said the gunman — described as a tall, African-American male — wordlessly sprayed fire from an AR-15 assault rifle." Other reports are saying up to 3 gunman.
UrbanWolf
09-16-2013, 09:50
"People who were inside the building said the gunman — described as a tall, African-American male — wordlessly sprayed fire from an AR-15 assault rifle." Other reports are saying up to 3 gunman.
Not a white, right wing extreme, Tea peaty-er this time?
Sharpienads
09-16-2013, 10:44
Fortunately this is in a "gun free zone" so everything will be fine.
This story is obviously made up. With DC basically being a gun-free zone and the Navy shipyard definitely being a gun-free zone, there is no way a gun crossed the perimeter. It's illegal for a gun to do so. So it can't happen.
sellersm
09-16-2013, 10:47
The gun in question must've wanted some publicity... Or it was one of those 'terrorist' guns, you know how they can be.
ChunkyMonkey
09-16-2013, 11:24
News just reported that there is an active shooter at a Naval shipyard in Washington D.C. They reported multiple victims and still on-going. I don't have a link, as I saw it when I walked by my television just now.
you arent working? lets hit CGC!
SuperiorDG
09-16-2013, 11:51
3..2..1 Obama chimes in:
MILLER: Obama uses Naval Yard shooting to stoke fear, push anti-gun agenda
Scaring the American public is one of President Obama’s favorite political tactics to get gun control. Just hours after the terrible shooting at the Naval Yard on Monday, Mr. Obama said that even though he didn’t have the facts, “We’re confronting — yet another — mass shooting. And today it happened on a military installation in our nation’s capital.”
Yet another?
The last mass shooting was over nine months ago at the Sandy Hook Elementary School (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/sandy-hook-elementary-school/) in Newtown. While we mourn every one of those children and educators lost that day — and today in Washington, D.C. — these events are not a cause for increased alarm.
A report by the nonpartisan Congressional Research Study (CRS) released in April showed there have been 78 public mass shootings in the last 30 years that claimed 547 lives. That averages to 18 victims a year.
To put that number in context, there were 8,583 murders by firearm in the U.S. in 2011, the most recent year for which we have figures from the FBI (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/federal-bureau-of-investigation/). And, there were 851 people accidentally killed by firearms in 2011, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/united-states-centers-for-disease-control-and-prevention/).
The congressional report concluded that, “While tragic and shocking, public mass shootings account for few of the murders related to firearms that occur annually in the United States.”
The president also added as the press conference that the horrific crime at the naval building will “be investigating thoroughly what happened — as we do so many of these shootings sadly that have happened and do everything we can to try to prevent them.”
As I wrote in my new book, “Emily Gets Her Gun,” (http://www.amazon.com/Emily-Gets-Her-Gun-But/dp/1621571920/) every life is precious. But Mr. Obama never has much to say about the thousands of people murdered every year in individual shootings. You never hear Mr. Obama talk about investigating those killed every day in our cities. (Well, except for Trayvon Martin, who the president said looked like the son he never had before the trail of George Zimmerman even started.)
Instead, Mr. Obama focuses on the rare mass shootings because the uncontrollable and random nature of them are more frightening to the public, which is politically helpful for him to push his gun-control agenda.
We don’t yet know know how the shooter or shooters got into the military installation, but if it was a random mass shooting and not terrorism, Mr. Obama is off base talking about prevention.
The CRS reported that because of the rarity of the events, “potential perpetrators cannot be identified accurately, and no systematic means of intervening are known to be effective.”
Mass shootings are extremely rare and should not be described by the president as if this is a common occurrence. He does this to frighten people into believing that they are in more danger in order to get support for more gun control.
The reality is gun crimes have decreased every year for 20 years. We cannot stop every single evil person from using a firearm to murder, but we can use facts when talking about these crimes. The president of the United States should be reassuring the public of their safety, not blatantly trying to scare them for his own agenda.
Emily Miller (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/emily-miller/) is a senior editor of opinion for The Washington Times and author of “Emily Gets Her Gun” (http://www.amazon.com/Emily-Gets-Her-Gun-But/dp/1621571920/)(Regnery, 2013).
Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/16/miller-obama-uses-naval-yard-shooting-inflame-fear/#ixzz2f4yZICWu
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stoner01
09-16-2013, 11:56
HOLY CRAP! Listeing to Fox right now and they have 20 year Marine vet whos talking common sense. Why, Because she is actually experienced in base defense and security. Unpossible.
KestrelBike
09-16-2013, 12:18
HOLY CRAP! Listeing to Fox right now and they have 20 year Marine vet whos talking common sense. Why, Because she is actually experienced in base defense and security. Unpossible.
What's the gist of what she's saying?
HoneyBadger
09-16-2013, 12:29
It'll be interesting to see what kind of story they come up with for this one... Who is involved, what are their backgrounds, how are they associated (NRA or RMGO ties? gave money to RonPaul? etc).
No matter what the story is, I'll bet my life savings that nothing good for America will come from this...
Aloha_Shooter
09-16-2013, 12:29
To be fair, when I headed to the airport this AM, Fox also stressed that the weapon had been identified as "like" an AR rather than as an AR. In fact, they noted some witnesses reported bursts like an M-16. Sure would be nice if just one network had a reporter familiar enough with guns to clear the air of BS immediately instead of having to be precautionary.
BPTactical
09-16-2013, 12:29
Lever let a crisis go to waste.......
stoner01
09-16-2013, 12:32
What's the gist of what she's saying?
She talked about hot not just anyone could come on. How the shooter needed to have creds but could have also been prior service and kept an id (possible if recently discharged or fired.) Also talked about entry logs and vehicle searches iirc.
BPTactical
09-16-2013, 12:36
Multiple shooters rules out lone nutbar.
Organized terrorist attack? IIRC AQ, MB and Syria all swore to attack the U.S.
UrbanWolf
09-16-2013, 12:38
Multiple shooters rules out lone nutbar.
Organized terrorist attack? IIRC AQ, MB and Syria all swore to attack the U.S.
Only Americans killins Americans helps their agenda, they will delay the truth as long as they can.
mtnrider
09-16-2013, 12:46
Multiple shooters rules out lone nutbar. Organized terrorist attack? IIRC AQ, MB and Syria all swore to attack the U.S. My guess is this is going to be a lone disgruntled employee or wife left him deal. Haven't seen any credible reports of the other shooters other then one person said they thought they saw a man running with a pistol. With all the panic and confusion it's hard to tell.
Aloha_Shooter
09-16-2013, 12:49
She talked about hot not just anyone could come on. How the shooter needed to have creds but could have also been prior service and kept an id (possible if recently discharged or fired.) Also talked about entry logs and vehicle searches iirc.
What's changed? I thought they identified "the" shooter (speculation about multiple shooters still in air) as former Navy "official" whose status had "recently changed". That suggests to me that he exploited the security system by being familiar with it and the people and that it was a rage assault. Those are random and hard to protect against but why people often aren't given as much notice as they'd like and why you often see security present when someone is let go.
BPTactical
09-16-2013, 12:59
Why are we even speculating about the perp?
Everybody knows it was the guns fault......
....I just saw it on the news, and they're reporting 12 dead. The gunman was shot, but survived, and is in the hospital right now.
They say there are two other suspects at large.
sellersm
09-16-2013, 13:02
Why are we even speculating about the perp?
Everybody knows it was the guns fault......
Truth! See post #16 above.
HoneyBadger
09-16-2013, 13:03
Organized terrorist attack? IIRC AQ, MB and Syria all swore to attack the U.S.
Well, you haven't learned anything... This is another clear-cut case of workplace violence.
hghclsswhitetrsh
09-16-2013, 13:11
Fox released shooters name and age. 34 years old Aaron Alexis from Texas.
BPTactical
09-16-2013, 13:31
33945
"If I had a son.........."
Some reports are he entered with a shotgun and took a handgun and AR from victims.
Quick, somebody ban Joe Biden.
One thing that strikes me as curious: notice on tv coverage that there is a slew of ambulances still milling about.
Where were they at Sandy Hook?
wctriumph
09-16-2013, 14:31
A few minutes ago a female commentator on MSNBC was calling for new gun control and lamenting how the senate failed to pass common sense legislation that was expressly drafted to prevent this type of mass killing from happening and now look what has happened.
Prayers sent for the victims and their families.
How could he possibly get a gun in there? This makes no sense. Don't you have to go trough a scanner to get in? Did he kill all the guards on his way though the front door?
muddywings
09-16-2013, 14:40
How could he possibly get a gun in there? This makes no sense. Don't you have to go trough a scanner to get in? Did he kill all the guards on his way though the front door?
sounds like he was a contractor (or former contractor). if he had a CAC card he could just drive through the front gate, with security just inspecting his ID but with whatever in the trunk of his car. Base security doesn't strip search everybody going through the gate as long as they have valid ID.
Something doesn't wash here.
Initial reports state that he came in with a shotgun and picked up a pistol and a rifle from guards he shot. He had a shotgun and pistol when he was finally killed.
***subject to change as the day goes on***
XC700116
09-16-2013, 16:45
Now someone with a gun taken down outside the White House.
Correction: Not gun shots, it was fire crackers
Kraven251
09-16-2013, 16:48
Did someone let the crazies out today?
...just when it was getting easier to find ammo
Thoughts and prayers with the families though, this is a shit stick deal of a day.
XC700116
09-16-2013, 16:52
Correction, now it's "A pack of fire crackers".
"Is it safe?"
No. The world has never been "safe".
Be prepared.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kzw1_2b-I7A
UrbanWolf
09-16-2013, 17:26
33945
He looks like he came straight out of the movie Blood Diamond.
battle_sight_zero
09-16-2013, 17:42
Shoots guard at gate with shotgun. Takes guards side arm and then engages DC police officer and takes his M4 after killing him. Sounds like this terrorist has been doing some planning and practice drills. Gun control would have never stopped this. All this after Al Qaida called for uprisings in America on Friday. Anyone here surprised? Another reason to prepare for this menace of a upcoming religious and racial war. Watch the malls at Christmas, not going anywhere near them.
They said up to 3 possible gunmen and that this was a heavily guarded facility. So how could this happen? I see more executive orders coming out from you know who.
I smell Conspiracy!
hollohas
09-16-2013, 18:02
Shoots guard at gate with shotgun. Takes guards side arm and then engages DC police officer and takes his M4 after killing him. Sounds like this terrorist has been doing some planning and practice drills. Gun control would have never stopped this. All this after Al Qaida called for uprisings in America on Friday. Anyone here surprised? Another reason to prepare for this menace of a upcoming religious and racial war. Watch the malls at Christmas, not going anywhere near them.
Didnt Uncle Joe tell everyone to just get a shotgun?
Great-Kazoo
09-16-2013, 18:03
"People who were inside the building said the gunman — described as a tall, African-American male — wordlessly sprayed fire from an AR-15 assault rifle." Other reports are saying up to 3 gunman.
That was revised. He is now described as a dark - skinned Caucasian
I'm leaning toward this not being a terrorist attack, but of course I'm not firm. Apparently this guy has other history of discharging his firearm. Once in his apartment, and once when he shot out the tires of a construction worker in Seattle. The same reporter actually said, "But the most important thing is that he has a concealed carry permit from Texas."
How is that important at all? Let alone the most important?
Didnt Uncle Joe tell everyone to just get a shotgun?
...and shoot both barrels through the door.
Bailey Guns
09-16-2013, 18:17
Shoots guard at gate with shotgun. Takes guards side arm and then engages DC police officer and takes his M4 after killing him. Sounds like this terrorist has been doing some planning and practice drills. Gun control would have never stopped this. All this after Al Qaida called for uprisings in America on Friday. Anyone here surprised? Another reason to prepare for this menace of a upcoming religious and racial war. Watch the malls at Christmas, not going anywhere near them.
Did you read this somewhere or is this just speculation? I haven't seen anything like this in any news story.
I'm leaning toward this not being a terrorist attack, but of course I'm not firm. Apparently this guy has other history of discharging his firearm. Once in his apartment, and once when he shot out the tires of a construction worker in Seattle. The same reporter actually said, "But the most important thing is that he has a concealed carry permit from Texas."
How is that important at all? Let alone the most important?
To the agenda it is most important-they want to be able to say " See he had a permit, look what he did .They must be all restricted and regulated more...."
Just another slice to add to a death by a thousand cuts...
streetglideok
09-16-2013, 18:36
Whole mess doesn't shock me. Gun control has gone to simmer since our recall elections. Someone was told to take one for the team so they can make sure the new laws are put into place.
UrbanWolf
09-16-2013, 19:25
Can someone just cut the bullshit and say what the fuck gun was really used?
http://i1353.photobucket.com/albums/q668/RadScorpius/1236668_558506050885691_1484239520_n_zps7868567f.j pg
muddywings
09-16-2013, 20:07
Shoots guard at gate with shotgun. Takes guards side arm and then engages DC police officer and takes his M4 after killing him. Sounds like this terrorist has been doing some planning and practice drills. Gun control would have never stopped this. All this after Al Qaida called for uprisings in America on Friday. Anyone here surprised? Another reason to prepare for this menace of a upcoming religious and racial war. Watch the malls at Christmas, not going anywhere near them.
I've been bouncing from news reports and it looks like this is starting to shape up as how it went down. He bought a shotgun (via a BGC....surprise) shot a guard, acquired their gun and then another. I'm having to do a lot of bouncing between news reports because it seems like MSM wants it to be an AR that started it but it doesn't look like that is the case.
Prayers to those that lost their lives or are hurt.
edit: ok, now the news is all over the place on whether it was an AR that he bought or the SG....I'm curious if we'll ever know the truth. (wearing tinfoil tonight)
Can someone just cut the bullshit and say what the fuck gun was really used?
http://i1353.photobucket.com/albums/q668/RadScorpius/1236668_558506050885691_1484239520_n_zps7868567f.j pg
You can't make this shit up.... unless you're a reporter. Great picture!
buffalobo
09-16-2013, 20:23
Do I need any special paperwork/bgc for one of those 12 ga AR's?
33977
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/mka-1919-shotgun-ar15-style-detail.html?Itemid=0
Yep, it's made in Turkey.
Saw one at the range once - I was impressed.
UrbanWolf
09-16-2013, 20:48
Do I need any special paperwork/bgc for one of those 12 ga AR's?
RMSS here in Foco have a couple of those.
UrbanWolf
09-16-2013, 20:54
And guess who's on full grabo mode again... he is staying here after all...
http://s19.postimg.org/dpz0o41b7/Clipboar.jpg
two shoes
09-16-2013, 20:55
Akdal 1919
Did you read this somewhere or is this just speculation? I haven't seen anything like this in any news story.
NBC Washington DC (http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Confirmed-Shooter-at-Navy-Yard-One-Person-Shot-223897891.html)
The suspected gunman appeared to have seized firearms from two of his victims as he moved through the building along the Anacostia River in southeast Washington, where 3,000 Navy employees go to work each day, many of them carrying authorized firearms.
Next to Alexis's body was an ID of a man who used to work at the Navy Yard. Some investigators believe the suspected gunman used that ID to enter the area, which is accessible only through guarded gates, but he may also have shot his way in, Williams reported.
Multiple weapons
Survellance video shows the gunman entered the NAVSEA building, at 1336 Isaac Hull Ave., with a shotgun, law enforcement officials told News4's Jackie Bensen.
The suspected gunman shot a security officer in the head, killing him, and took the officer's 9 mm pistol and a magazine of ammunition. The shooter then continued through the building and seemed to target his victims, who were mostly on the third and fourth floors, Bensen reported.
D.C.'s Metropolitan Police Department and several other law enforcement agencies responded with active shooter teams.
During that response, a MPD officer was shot in the leg. The gunman was then shot by a FBI hostage response team, law enforcement sources told Bensen.
“The response by uniformed police officers from both the Metropolitan Police Department and United States Park Police was absolutely nothing short of heroic,” Lanier said.
Authorities are investigating whether the gunman took the D.C. police officers' rifle.
muddywings
09-16-2013, 21:12
i watched a few interviews with the chief medical officer of the hospital where some of the victims were taken. In her earlier press release she really hammered how we as society need to come together to stop this evil. She was on NBC with Piers and the other libtard and talked about mental health even though they were trying to lead her into a gun control discussion. Not sure of her political leanings but she never really went anti-gun. She more hammered us as a society.
America doesn't have a gun problem. It doesn't have a drug problem, or a gang problem, a drunk driving problem or an unwed teenage mothers problem. America has a responsibility problem. When we as a society can figure out how to be a responsible nation again, those problems won't be problems.
Good night....
brokenscout
09-16-2013, 21:16
I think the AR was his accomplice.
mtnrider
09-16-2013, 21:17
i watched a few interviews with the chief medical officer of the hospital where some of the victims were taken. In her earlier press release she really hammered how we as society need to come together to stop this evil. She was on NBC with Piers and the other libtard and talked about mental health even though they were trying to lead her into a gun control discussion. Not sure of her political leanings but she never really went anti-gun. She more hammered us as a society.
America doesn't have a gun problem. It doesn't have a drug problem, or a gang problem, a drunk driving problem or an unwed teenage mothers problem. America has a responsibility problem. When we as a society can figure out how to be a responsible nation again, those problems won't be problems.
Good night....
Good for her. I watched her first interview and she was all choked up. Was sure she was going to make a anti gun statement. I was thinking to myself she is going to be used to libtards full extent.
This POS was a crazy F-er back in 2004 when he shot out the tires on a vehicle parked in his neighborhood.
How the hell did he get more guns (supposedly legally) and get a Secret Clearance to work for an HP subcontractor?
WTF!
http://spdblotter.seattle.gov/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Alexis.pdf
stoner01
09-16-2013, 21:57
This incident is pretty much the perfect case to debunk all the common anti gun laws. Period.
buffalobo
09-16-2013, 22:01
http://www.ar-15.co/attachment.php?attachmentid=33977&d=1379385605&thumb=1 (http://www.ar-15.co/attachment.php?attachmentid=33977&d=1379385605)
Yep, it's made in Turkey.
Saw one at the range once - I was impressed.
Do I need any special paperwork/bgc for one of those 12 ga AR's?
RMSS here in Foco have a couple of those.
Akdal 1919
I was being wiseass, now I gotta go check em out. [facepalm]
Before he fired the first round, he had already committed a federal misdemeanor and a local felony:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/930
http://dccode.org/simple/sections/22-4504.html
There are other charges that could have been tacked on prior to the first round being fired, but just the two laws above should serve as an example that laws do not stop violent people from committing crimes.
Non of the anti-gun people out there will ever realize this. They will continue on their blind crusade to disarm the innocent and make everyone a victim, until only they and the government they elect will have control over the rest of us.
Be safe.
Great-Kazoo
09-16-2013, 23:21
Before he fired the first round, he had already committed a federal misdemeanor and a local felony:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/930
http://dccode.org/simple/sections/22-4504.html
There are other charges that could have been tacked on prior to the first round being fired, but just the two laws above should serve as an example that laws do not stop violent people from committing crimes.
Non of the anti-gun people out there will ever realize this. They will continue on their blind crusade to disarm the innocent and make everyone a victim, until only they and the government they elect will have control over the rest of us.
Be safe.
Makes ya want to move back east, don't it. The coastal mentality never ceases to amaze me, with as much Nanny state oversight as they can get away with.
battle_sight_zero
09-17-2013, 06:19
Did you read this somewhere or is this just speculation? I haven't seen anything like this in any news story.
Good morning. Heard and read this in several locations. http://bearingarms.com/nbc-washington-navy-yard-shooting-suspect-took-assault-rifle-pistol-from-cops-he-ambushed/
However I guess I should wait for main stream media to put out the facts.
Bailey Guns
09-17-2013, 06:34
Good morning. Heard and read this in several locations. http://bearingarms.com/nbc-washington-navy-yard-shooting-suspect-took-assault-rifle-pistol-from-cops-he-ambushed/
However I guess I should wait for main stream media to put out the facts.
Cool. Thanks for that (Skully, too!). I read pretty much everything except NBC. That's pretty interesting if it turns out to be the case.
As usual, the "facts" are going to be pretty hard to come by.
Just saw this on CNN. Still early in the investigation but I was surprised to see them trying to report actual facts.
What we know: Federal law enforcement sources say authorities have recovered three weapons from the scene of the mass shooting, including one -- a shotgun -- that investigators believe he brought in to the compound. The other two weapons -- handguns -- the sources say, may have been taken from guards.
What we don't know: The sources, who have detailed knowledge of the investigation, cautioned that initial investigation information that an AR-15 rifle was used may have been incorrect. It is believed that Alexis had rented an AR-15, but returned it before Monday morning's shootings. Authorities are still investigating precisely how many weapons Alexis had access to and when.
mikedubs
09-17-2013, 08:46
Just like reporting in Boston that it was a white male with a grudge against the US gov't..
And then reporting that Tsarnaev had multiple guns in the boat...
And then quietly reporting that he was unarmed and bleeding...
Bailey Guns
09-17-2013, 08:50
If it was a black firearm, it was an AR-15. That's all you need to know if you're a journalist.
I take it the rifles that are used by these security forces are actually M4s and not AR15s? I know the military has true assault rifles (select fire) but are all these rifles that the good guys have when these shootings happen, M4s or ARs?
FBI Washington field office just confirmed gunman was NOT armed with AR15. Spokesperson says 1 shotgun and 2 pistols recovered
— Pamela Brown (@PamelaBrownCNN) September 17, 2013 (https://twitter.com/PamelaBrownCNN/statuses/379960354841047040)
FBI Washington: #NavyYardShooting (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NavyYardShooting&src=hash) gunman was NOT armed with AR15. -1 shotgun & 2 pistols recovered - @PamelaBrownCNN (https://twitter.com/PamelaBrownCNN)
— NewsBreaker (@NewsBreaker) September 17, 2013 (https://twitter.com/NewsBreaker/statuses/379961312849051649)
Trying to verify this..
He was another crazy F-er
It's time to reopen the Mental Institutions, instead of drugging these bastards up and turning them loose on society.
From: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NAVY_YARD_SHOOTING_GUNMAN_MENTAL_HEALTH?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-09-17-08-03-32
WASHINGTON (AP) -- U.S. law enforcement officials are telling The Associated Press that the Navy contractor identified as the gunman in the mass shootings at the Washington Navy Yard had been suffering a host of serious mental issues, including paranoia and a sleep disorder. He also had been hearing voices in his head, the officials said.
Aaron Alexis, 34, had been treated since August by the Veterans Administration for his mental problems, the officials said. They spoke on condition of anonymity because the criminal investigation in the case was continuing. The Navy had not declared him mentally unfit, which would have rescinded a security clearance that Alexis had from his earlier time in the Navy Reserves.
Family members told investigators that Alexis was being treated for his mental issues.
Bailey Guns
09-17-2013, 10:01
Remind me again how mandatory background checks are supposed to stop these people? We can't even stop them when the .gov knows all about them. They had knowledge that this guy had mental issues, they had knowledge about the Tsarnaev brothers, but law-abiding gun owners are the real issue.
We have malfeasance at all levels of the government, we have a government sending guns to drug cartels, we have a government arming al-Qaeda associated "opposition forces" all over the world, but I'm somehow a problem because I like guns.
It is just to keep you safe, you want to be safe don't you? Now get back in line.
clublights
09-17-2013, 10:52
Didn't use an AR, Never Had an AR....
Only Pistols ( both likely taken from victims ...confirmed one at least that way) and Shotgun?
but but but I saw at least half a dozen articles and one congresswoman tell me about how bad AR's are and how all mass shootings use them last night ...
Proof the Anti's don't care about facts... only about attacking gun rights.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/17/navy-yard-shooting-aaron-alexis-washington/2824793/
Confirmed, no AR, just a shotgun he put together in the bathroom. When can the victims and their families sue the security company that was supposed to be protecting them since they were disarmed while they let a crazy gunman in the complex? What about whoever is doing these background checks? I think everyone should get to sue them since they failed so hard on this one.
sellersm
09-17-2013, 11:20
Mental issues = security clearance. Good to know...
mtnrider
09-17-2013, 11:28
"It is believed, the official said, that Alexis began firing indiscriminately on the people below with the law enforcement-style shotgun."
Jesus, do they have to make everything sound like it was illegal to own or it was military stuff....
Jesus, do they have to make everything sound like it was illegal to own or it was military stuff....
Yes.
clublights
09-17-2013, 11:55
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/17/navy-yard-shooting-aaron-alexis-washington/2824793/
From the above article ...
with the law enforcement-style shotgun
WTF? why do they have to say shit like that ?
Oops .. looks like I took too long to post this LOL
Some are now reporting that it was a Remington 870.
However, I have not found a single witness statement regarding a pump-action shotgun. Seems odd.
clublights
09-17-2013, 12:18
Some are now reporting that it was a Remington 870.
However, I have not found a single witness statement regarding a pump-action shotgun. Seems odd.
My understanding ( without linking since I can;t recall where I read it ) they have video of him with the shotgun and taking the pistol of one victim .
Here is my question just for semantics sake ....
Was the 870 ORIGINALLY designed for law enforcement or is it just the most popular shotgun bought by them ?
muddywings
09-17-2013, 12:49
busy day at work, and haven't had time to really catch up but....wow....just wow....guess MSM really got that wrong.
Rucker61
09-17-2013, 12:57
My understanding ( without linking since I can;t recall where I read it ) they have video of him with the shotgun and taking the pistol of one victim .
Here is my question just for semantics sake ....
Was the 870 ORIGINALLY designed for law enforcement or is it just the most popular shotgun bought by them ?
According to this site http://www.remingtonwingmaster.com/Wingmaster/Models/Entries/1950/1/1_Wingmaster_ADL_(1950).html
The original 870 only came in hunting length barrels.
sellersm
09-17-2013, 16:03
Supposedly he was an O-supporter! Gee, so was Holmes! So I guess the mental illness thing must be a HUGE factor!!
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/17/Navy-Yard-Shooter-friend-Describes%20Alexis-as-liberal-Obama-fan
Tuesday, on CNN's "The Lead with Jake Tapper," Michael Ritrovato spoke at length about his friend, suspected Navy Yard shooter Aaron Alexis. After expressing his condolences to the victims and their families, Ritrovato then expressed his shock over the actions of a man he described as being "like a brother to me" and a "good-natured guy."Ritrovato went on to explain that two of them had a close relationship based in part on their differences, specifically race and politics. Alexis was black, Ritrovato is white. Ritrovato described himself as conservative and Alexis is "more of a liberal type" who supported Barack Obama:
I would say things like, 'You know, you are my brother from another mother.' And he would say things like, 'You're my Italian mafia guy from New York.' So we had things we joked about: Aaron wasn't conservative like I am. He was more of a liberal type; he wasn't happy with the former [Bush] administration. He was more happy with this [the Obama] administration -- as far as presidential administrations.
Ritrovato said he hadn't seen Alexis in a while. The last time they spoke was by phone, where the Alexis talked about his frustration with the company he worked for. Apparently, the company was "slow to pay." There have been other media reports about Alexis being with upset his company regarding some expenses incurred during a trip to Japan.
Ritrovato said that Alexis' fondness for "violent video games" was the only red flag he saw in retrospect.
There are no 'common sense' uses for firearms. Just get a stick. A blunt stick. No bigger than your pinky finger. That's all you need.
No bigger than your pinky finger. That's all you need.
I prefer the rule of thumb. :D
Headline on msn.com;Alexis practiced with AR-15, lawyer says (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/17/20535835-washington-navy-yard-shooter-practiced-with-ar-15-at-virginia-range-two-days-before-rampage-lawyer-says?lite&ocid=msnhp&pos=1)
Aaron Alexis, the Washington Navy Yard shooter, rented an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle and used it for target practice at a Northern Virginia gun range and store less than two days before his shooting spree, according to the lawyer for the store.
J. Michael Slocum, a lawyer for Sharpshooters Small Arms Range in Lorton, Va., said in an email to NBC News that on Sept. 14 Alexis also bought a Remington 870 shotgun and a "small amount of ammunition -- approximately 2 boxes- 24 shells." Alexis listed his residence as being in Texas.
Authorities said Alexis used a Remington shotgun to shoot a police officer and a security guard before taking one of their handguns and continuing on his rampage. Some earlier reports said an assault-style rifle, such as the AR-15 was used in the shooting but the FBI said it didn’t believe he did.
Slocum said he had no information on whether Alexis sought to purchase an AR-15 the day he visited Sharpshooters.
"In accordance with Federal law, Mr. Alexis' name and other applicable information, including his state of residency, was provided to the Federal NICS system and he was approved by that system," Slocum said in the email. "After the terrible and tragic events at the Navy Yard, Sharpshooters was visited by federal law enforcement authorities, who reviewed the Range's records, including video and other materials."
So....just get the idea into people's heads. AR-15s are evil and make people do bad things, even if they aren't at the scene of the crime. The other theme is that NICS background checks are not enough.
jerrymrc
09-17-2013, 18:49
I guess he hoped to "pick one up" along the way. [pick-me]
muddywings
09-17-2013, 19:02
just watched Morse and Giron with a libtard from MSNBC...I can't believe they lie that easily after a tragedy like this. I hoped the libtard would grow a brain and ask...."so how would your laws you instituted in CO affected the outcome of this tragedy," but of course he didn't.
Those two will be well taken care of by the anti-gun community. While we made them matyrs, they had to go regardless.
Yes, it's from infowars.com, but it is not Jones' article
From: http://www.infowars.com/media-buries-psychiatric-drug-connection-to-navy-shooter/
The U.S. press has once again behaved like state media in the aftermath of the Navy Yard shooting by pursuing the assault rifle angle – despite the fact that it was patently false – in order to bolster the White House’s gun control agenda.
In doing so, they have concurrently buried an integral aspect of mass shootings that needs to be highlighted as part of a national conversation – the clear connection between violent outbursts and SSRI drugs.
sellersm
09-18-2013, 10:11
Yes, it's from infowars.com, but it is not Jones' article
From: http://www.infowars.com/media-buries-psychiatric-drug-connection-to-navy-shooter/
The U.S. press has once again behaved like state media in the aftermath of the Navy Yard shooting by pursuing the assault rifle angle – despite the fact that it was patently false – in order to bolster the White House’s gun control agenda.
In doing so, they have concurrently buried an integral aspect of mass shootings that needs to be highlighted as part of a national conversation – the clear connection between violent outbursts and SSRI drugs....And Obama supporters!
Added some more clarifying content to the article...
Ya think?
From: http://www.nbcnews.com/health/not-diagnosis-voices-head-more-common-thought-4B11186594
There’s no way to know whether Alexis heard voices that said derogatory things about him or instructed him to commit violence.
“The most pernicious type of hallucination and the one that’s the biggest risk factor is the so-called ‘command hallucinations’ that tell you to do something,” Lieberman said. “Once they become strong enough, they can’t distinguish these as external fabrications, they are under the influence of the voices.”
Such hallucinations can be resistant to treatment with anti-psychotic drugs and with counseling, experts say.
As more details emerge about Alexis, Lieberman said he was concerned that the shooting renews worries for people with mental illness and once again raises questions about how society treats disorders.
“I think it immediately arouses fears and enhances stigma about people with mental illness, that they’re psychotic killers and wackos running amok,” Lieberman said. “It’s unfortunate.”
Instead, there needs to be more focus on diagnosis and treatment of people with psychiatric disorders, a call that seems to be raised routinely after tragedies such as Monday’s shooting – and the attack in Newtown, Conn., last December.
“We remain unaware, uniformed and fearful of what disturbances in brain function can lead to,” Lieberman said. “Everyone talks about it and nobody does anything about it."
muddywings
09-18-2013, 13:46
You can find the video clip of Giron and Morse making idiots of themselves, that I mentioned earlier, here:
http://coloradopeakpolitics.com/2013/09/18/making-sht-up-giron-morse-continue-to-embarrass-themselves-on-national-tv/#more-15571
I damm near crapped and vomited at the same time (per dems instructions on how to stop a rape) so viewer beware.
You can find the video clip of Giron and Morse making idiots of themselves, that I mentioned earlier, here:
http://coloradopeakpolitics.com/2013/09/18/making-sht-up-giron-morse-continue-to-embarrass-themselves-on-national-tv/#more-15571
I'm sure it's good.
Thank you for posting it.
I don't have the stomach to watch it.
palepainter
09-18-2013, 14:10
Thought you guys may enjoy this segment from our ex legislature here in CO. Shes as dumb as Five Fingered Fields.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuKNhuTgvlA
I used to work with a lady who said a lot of the same things this guy was reported to have complained about. I had to watch out for her for sure.
BushMasterBoy
09-18-2013, 14:28
Survey says 1 out of 4 Americans are clinically mentally ill...try to stick to groups of 3 or less!
Survey says 1 out of 4 Americans are clinically mentally ill...try to stick to groups of 3 or less!
Think about your 3 closest friends. If they're ok, it's probably you! [ROFL1]
You can find the video clip of Giron and Morse making idiots of themselves, that I mentioned earlier, here:
http://coloradopeakpolitics.com/2013/09/18/making-sht-up-giron-morse-continue-to-embarrass-themselves-on-national-tv/#more-15571
I damm near crapped and vomited at the same time (per dems instructions on how to stop a rape) so viewer beware.
So according to her all military personnel are armed at all times. Yet another case of her speaking without knowing the facts. There were so few armed people there they had to get police and SWAT from the local force.
So according to her all military personnel are armed at all times. Yet another case of her speaking without knowing the facts. There were so few armed people there they had to get police and SWAT from the local force.
There were marines with weapons, but no ammo.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/09/disturbing-marines-had-weapons-but-no-ammo-during-navy-yard-shooting-video/
Survey says 1 out of 4 Americans are clinically mentally ill...try to stick to groups of 3 or less!
1 in 5 households in the US are on food stamps.
coincidence?
Running to the store for more tin foil...
Ann Coulter put out a good piece today on the mentally ill and mass murder correlation
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2013-09-18.html
Bailey Guns
09-19-2013, 11:25
^^ Good article by AC.
After this latest shooting, will the left finally let us do something about the dangerously mentally ill?
Yes. They'll once more try to take guns from the law-abiding. That's their only answer.
sellersm
09-19-2013, 11:27
Survey says 1 out of 4 Americans are clinically mentally ill...try to stick to groups of 3 or less!
I bet they all voted for the clown in chief, too!
Good piece from Ann Coulter.
mtnrider
09-19-2013, 13:00
The latest release on the "AR15" "law Enforcement style shotgun" ..apparently law enforcement uses cut down shotguns now?
"The shotgun was cut down at both ends—the stock was sawed off, and the barrel was sawed off a little bit,'' said Mr. Comey, who added that it was possible the changes were made to the gun in order to fit it in the bag.
Oh my goodness. Didn't he read the law (http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-short-barreled-rifles-shotguns.html)?
He's in some serious hot water now. [Sarcasm2]
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/2553/uf83.jpg
"Just get a shotgun! oh wait shit"
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/2553/uf83.jpg
"Just get a shotgun! oh wait shit"
http://youtu.be/silJoHrXsIc
Someone needs to p-chop that Biden photo above and that BHO shotgun photo with a naval ship in the background and holding a sawed off remmy.
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