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RonMexico
09-30-2013, 13:22
Just ran across this online and I don't know what I think about it yet.
I think most people are going to disagree with the M-16 and clips verbiage but let me know what you think.



As much as I’d like to wax effusively about the delights of the Frito pie, a shamefully delightful flavor bomb that pleases in equal measure to its feeling in the hand like a steaming dog turd, I suspect what people are going to talk about when they see our New Mexico episode is the sight of me; socialist sympathizer, leftie, liberal New Yorker, gleefully hammering away with an AR-15, an instrument of mayhem and loathing that also has the distinction of being America’s favorite weapon.


I like guns.


I like shooting them. I like holding their sleek, heavy, deadly weight in my hands. I like shooting at targets: cans, paper cut-outs, and—even though I’m not a hunter—the occasional animal. Though I do not own a gun—I would, if I lived in a rural area like, say…Montana—consider owning one. Whatever my feelings about gun regulation—and my worries, as a father, about what kind of world my daughter will have to live in, I think I should have as many guns as I like. Even Ted Nugent should have guns. He likes them a lot. They make him happy—and as offensive as I may find a lot of what comes out of his mouth, I’m pretty sure, based on first hand experience, that he’s a responsible gun owner.


You, however, I’m not so sure about. And my next door neighbor. I’m not so sure about him either. I’d like to know a bit more about him before he takes possession of an M-16 and a whole lot of extra clips. If we accept the proposition that that a gun is simply a tool—with potentially lethal properties—it follows that it’s not too different than a vehicle. And I would like to know a LOT more about you before I’m comfortable putting you behind the wheel of a sixteen wheeler. I’d like to know if you’re a maniacal drunk or crackhead before allowing you to barrel down that highway with three tons of trailer swinging behind you. If you favor an aluminum foil hat as headgear, I would have concerns about entrusting you with so much power to harm so many in so little time. That’s a reasonable thing for a society to ponder on, I think.


The upcoming New Mexico show is not about guns. Though there are, as in much of America between the coasts, many guns there. This show is about the American cowboy ideal, about the romantic promise of the American West, about individuality, the freedom to be weird. New Mexico, where Spanish, Mexican, Pueblo, Navajo and European cultures mix and have mixed—at times painfully, lately more easily. New Mexico, where everyone from artists, hippies, cowboys, poets, misfits, refugees, and tourists, of every political stripe have interpreted the promise of its gorgeous, wide open spaces and the freedom that that offers in their own, very different ways. New Mexico is an enchanted land, where people are largely free to create their own world.


Americans are traditionally, by nature, suspicious—and even hostile—to government. Whether we admit it or not, we were, most of us, suckled on the idea that a “man” should solve his own problems—that there are simple answers to complex questions—and that if all else fails, taking the situation into one’s own hands—violently—is somehow “cleansing” and heroic. Whether playing cowboys and Indians as a child, or watching films—those are our heroes, our icons: the lone gunman, the outlaw, the gangster, the ordinary man pushed too far. That’s a uniquely American pathology. And even the ex-flower children who’ve escaped the cities of the East to put Indian feathers in their hair, turquoise around their neck—and a battered pair of cowboy boots are, on some level, buying in to that ethos of a mythical West.


In New York, where I live, the appearance of a gun—anywhere—is a cause for immediate and extreme alarm. Yet, in much of America, I have come to find, it’s perfectly normal. I’ve walked many times into bars in Missouri, Nevada, Texas, where absolutely everyone is packing. I’ve sat down many times to dinner in perfectly nice family homes where—at end of dinner—Mom swings open the gun locker and invites us all to step into the back yard and pot some beer cans. That may not be Piers Morgan’s idea of normal. It may not be yours. But that’s a facet of American life that’s unlikely to change.


I may be a New York lefty—with all the experiences, prejudices and attitudes that one would expect to come along with that, but I do NOT believe that we will reduce gun violence—or reach any kind of consensus—by shrieking at each other. Gun owners—the vast majority of them I have met—are NOT idiots. They are NOT psychos. They are not even necessarily Republican (New Mexico, by the way, is a Blue State). They are not hicks, right wing “nuts” or necessarily violent by nature. And if “we” have any hope of ever changing anything in this country in the cause of reason—and the safety of our children—we should stop talking about a significant part of our population as if they were lesser, stupider or crazier than we are. The batshit absolutist Wayne LaPierre may not represent the vast majority of gun owners in this land—but if pushed—if the conversation veers towards talk of taking away people’s guns—many gun owners will shade towards him—and away from us.


Gun culture goes DEEP in this country. Deep. A whole hell of a lot of people I’ve met remember Daddy giving them their first rifle as early as age six—and that kind of bonding—that first walk through the early morning woods with your Dad—that’s deep tissue stuff. When people start equating guns—ALL guns—as evil—as something to be eradicated, a whole helluva lot of people are going to get defensive.


The conversation so far has illuminated, instead of any substantial issues, mostly the huge cultural divide between those like me who live in coastal cities with restrictive gun laws—and that vast swath of America who live very differently. We don’t understand how they live. And they don’t understand how we could POSSIBLY live the way we live. A little respect for that difference might be a good thing. The contempt, mockery and total lack of understanding for all those people “out there” by deep thinkers and pundits who’ve never sat down for a cold beer in a bar full of camo-wearing duck hunters is both despicable and counterproductive. We are too busy expressing disbelief at the ways others have chosen to live to ever really talk about the nuts and bolts of making America safer and less violent.


No middle ground is possible when even the notion of a sane, reasonable person who likes to shoot lots of bullets at stuff is seen as so foreign—so “other”. Maybe we would be better off– safer, kinder to one another if we were Denmark or Sweden.


But we are not.


And riding across the incredible landscape of Ghost Ranch outside of Sante Fe, seeing the canyons and arroyos that so inspired Georgia O’ Keefe and generations of artists, writers and seekers who followed, one is especially glad we are not.


There are a lot of nice people in this country. A whole helluva lot of them, like it or not, own AR-15s. If we can’t have at least, a conversation with them, sit down, break bread— about where we are going and how we are going to get there, there is no hope at all.


As far as the much more important question of where I stand on the question of red chile—or green?


I’m green all the way. And New Mexico’s got it best.

newracer
09-30-2013, 13:26
He wants universal background checks, fuck no.

Zundfolge
09-30-2013, 13:34
Bourdain used to be a level headed and independent minded libertarian ... in recent years I don't know how he can do a show about food since he clearly has the taste of Obama's cock in his mouth 24/7.

strm_trpr
09-30-2013, 13:51
Yeah, fuck no, on the other hand Alton Brown is a gun nut and a better cook.

ChunkyMonkey
09-30-2013, 13:54
Link to video..http://www.cnn.com/video/shows/anthony-bourdain-parts-unknown/season-2/new-mexico/index.html

gos
09-30-2013, 14:14
You don't need a license to operate a vehicle on private property.

DavieD55
09-30-2013, 14:16
What a toolbag. Get back to your kitchen and stay the fuck out of other peoples business...

Sawin
09-30-2013, 14:20
I'm glad to see he at least has a reasoned stance on it, regardless of any disagreement I have with universal background checks (where is that mentioned in his article?), compared to the emotional jump-to-conclusions stance that so many of his leftist brethren have... I would say having a conversation with him as a representative of his self-proclaimed New York lefties, might actually help some Americans who are currently on the fence, finally shift one way or another. If they see the value of freedom and liberty, among the value of heritage and tradition, that's even better...

Aloha_Shooter
09-30-2013, 14:22
Never liked Bourdain but at least he's trying to not only understand gunowners but telling other elitist snobs (not that he sees them as such) to look through another lens. I'm still with strm_trp on this: Alton Brown is not only a gun enthusiast and better cook but a ter TV host and speaker.

brutal
09-30-2013, 16:01
I agree wit him one one point. Green.

SideShow Bob
09-30-2013, 17:56
" I think I should have as many guns as I like."
"You, however, I’m not so sure about. And my next door neighbor. I’m not so sure about him either."

Those two statements say it all, he has a sense of superiority and entitlement.

Brian
09-30-2013, 18:18
Have never really watched his shows, so I know nothing about the guy, but I wish all left-leaners were willing to take a step back and see the bigger picture like he apparently is trying to do.

clublights
09-30-2013, 18:24
" I think I should have as many guns as I like."
"You, however, I’m not so sure about. And my next door neighbor. I’m not so sure about him either."

Those two statements say it all, he has a sense of superiority and entitlement.


Is it ?

or is it human nature ?

For example.. I don't trust ANY car on the road. maybe that is from years of riding motorcycles knowing that at any moment one of these fuck sticks could clip me and leave me for dead...

you get a health distrust for other drivers.. even still in a car. I think that everyone is about to clip me or rear end me ... or slam on the brakes for no good reason.



do you trust EVERYONE with a gun ? or do you hold them with suspicion till you know they are a good guy ? don;t you always watch the muzzles of other guns when your out at the range or hunting or where ever ? why do you watch them ? don't you trust the guys your with ?


I'm not trying to defend the author of the story or jump on you as much as don't classify it so harshly because to an extent we all do the same.

mdflem51
09-30-2013, 18:30
Bourdain wears a thumb ring. Hookers wear them for giving handjobs. He`s an open borders, take guns away from everyone except his "people" drug and booze addled liberal.

def90
09-30-2013, 18:42
I think I should have as many guns as I want as well.. I have also known people that I am pretty sure should never have a gun period..

I like Bourdains shows, based on his shows, his commentaries and his books he strikes me as a guy that is simply a liberal only because he is sick of the anti-gay, anti-abortionists and bible bangers that make up the right. I know a good number of people like that, take away the preaching and they would likely vote for the right.

def90
09-30-2013, 18:43
Bourdain wears a thumb ring. Hookers wear them for giving handjobs.

Personal experience?

mdflem51
09-30-2013, 19:00
Personal experience?

Yes

Ah Pook
09-30-2013, 19:11
Yes
Was he any good?

hatidua
09-30-2013, 19:27
He claims to be a "leftie, liberal New Yorker", and after reading the article, I can only conclude that he is in fact an imposter: I know a few "leftie, liberal New Yorkers" and they would never stoop to actually acknowledging acceptance of those who chose to own a firearm, much less lower themselves to personally firing one.

mdflem51
09-30-2013, 19:36
Was he any good?

Ouch! Got me! I walked right into that.Good one.

Zundfolge
09-30-2013, 21:23
He may have had a momentary lapse where he kind of came off like he was trying to be open, honest and reasonable about this issue, but just give him a couple days and he'll come out with something obnoxiously elitist and lefty to make up for it. He sounded like this several years ago when Uncle Ted invited him out for a BBQ and shoot ... but then days later he went all NYC Leftard and bagged on his gracious host and the gun culture in general.

That said, if this piece is all you ever read or heard from the schmuck I could see where you might think he was a nice guy and more open minded than your typical NYC Leftard. Only he's not ... he's worse because he pretends he's open minded until he runs into his asshole friends in Manhattan and they give him shit for not engaging in the proper propaganda attacks on us bumpkins in flyover country and then he badmouths the very people that were so nice to him and shared their food and ammo with him. FU Tony you miserable POS.

Then he went on and on and on about how wonderful the Castro Brothers and their little Caribbean island paradise was.

Irving
09-30-2013, 22:47
Isn't this article a few years old? I swear I've read this thread and most of the responses well over a year ago. Perhaps I'm going crazy...

sniper7
09-30-2013, 23:22
" I think I should have as many guns as I like."
"You, however, I’m not so sure about. And my next door neighbor. I’m not so sure about him either."

Those two statements say it all, he has a sense of superiority and entitlement.

Hell, I would like to be the only one armed. Then I have the upper hand if the need arises. The government has already done this. We are restricted from owning many things so we never have a upper hand. The only thing we have is numbers

RMAC757
10-01-2013, 08:06
I love that guys show. No Reservations is awesome.

kidicarus13
10-01-2013, 08:30
I like the show (No Reservations) but it's hard to listen to his leftist views on everything.

RMAC757
10-01-2013, 09:42
I like the show (No Reservations) but he it's hard to listen to his leftist views on everything.

I think that's kinda part if his shtick. I never really paid attention to his political ideology other than his total affinity for European culture. It doesn't bother me. He's also a New Yorker at heart and that's a diferent beast altogether. I don't like it when he gets all emotional about eating a piece of cheese but it's pretty awesome when he's drinking and partying in the desert southwest with retired rockers.

asmo
10-01-2013, 09:49
Never trust a chef that smokes..

ChadAmberg
10-01-2013, 10:30
Never liked Bourdain but at least he's trying to not only understand gunowners but telling other elitist snobs (not that he sees them as such) to look through another lens. I'm still with strm_trp on this: Alton Brown is not only a gun enthusiast and better cook but a ter TV host and speaker.


Agreed. Alton is a good ol' boy from Georgia, not your NYC/LA liberal. He rides a motorcycle, enjoys shooting and he makes his own bacon.

Speaking of, anyone else going to see Alton here in COS in February besides me? I think I have row 4 tickets....

asmo
10-01-2013, 10:32
Speaking of, anyone else going to see Alton here in COS in February besides me? I think I have row 4 tickets....

Where did you get the tickets?

bellavite1
10-01-2013, 11:38
I think I should have as many guns as I want as well.. I have also known people that I am pretty sure should never have a gun period..

I like Bourdains shows, based on his shows, his commentaries and his books he strikes me as a guy that is simply a liberal only because he is sick of the anti-gay, anti-abortionists and bible bangers that make up the right. I know a good number of people like that, take away the preaching and they would likely vote for the right.
+1

lowspeed_highdrag
10-01-2013, 13:10
So what he is saying is that he wishes his side wouldnt vilify us so much, because if they didnt we would be more open to the "national conversation on sensible gun laws". And if we were more open to that, then he would be able to know for sure that his neighbor with the "M16 and many clips" was safe with the gun because he for sure got a background check, mental health check, drug check, and got registered. By the way, that "national conversation" goes like this:

They demand we give up some of our rights, we do, and they later demand some more.

He didnt advocate gun rights, he suggested that his base stop scaring us away from the "national conversation" table.

Molon Labe.

BTW,

Alton Brown used to shoot his Scar 17 w/ACOG at Camp Lejuene.

brutal
10-01-2013, 15:09
So what he is saying is that he wishes his side wouldnt vilify us so much, because if they didnt we would be more open to the "national conversation on sensible gun laws". And if we were more open to that, then he would be able to know for sure that his neighbor with the "M16 and many clips" was safe with the gun because he for sure got a background check, mental health check, drug check, and got registered. By the way, that "national conversation" goes like this:

They demand we give up some of our rights as a "compromise", we do, and they later demand some more.

He didnt advocate gun rights, he suggested that his base stop scaring us away from the "national conversation" table.

Molon Labe.

BTW,

Alton Brown used to shoot his Scar 17 w/ACOG at Camp Lejuene.

FIFY

ChadAmberg
10-01-2013, 22:13
Where did you get the tickets?


http://ticketswest.com/events/alton-brown-live!-edible-inevitable-tour/4194/ has them for sale...