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Rooskibar03
09-30-2013, 22:06
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm251/cmuthard03/ec9d08f61d7862e4753124faf886c534_zps18f67f1b.jpg
patrick0685
09-30-2013, 22:16
guess i have to go to work and hope i get paid later...can we fire them all now?
BushMasterBoy
09-30-2013, 22:19
guess i have to go to work and hope i get paid later...can we fire them all now?
I was thinking, let us do something that involves a rope...
Rooskibar03
09-30-2013, 22:28
I was thinking, let us do something that involves a rope...
Pretty sure I've got feathers, anyone got the tar?
kidicarus13
09-30-2013, 22:51
Posted in another thread but posting again for effecthttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/10/01/ade4e4yg.jpg
Probably get no service at the DMV tomorrow....wait....nothing will have changed,
Great-Kazoo
10-01-2013, 00:13
Pretty sure I've got feathers, anyone got the tar?
In stock
ChunkyMonkey
10-01-2013, 01:20
Whats shut down? The wasteful spending?
I'm confused also... Is this about Obummer care starting or whatever today?
EDIT: I just read about what is goint on.... LOL!!! Maybe now if they stay down, our country can get back on track... This would be a great time however, to tell them all to step aside and start with new people in there......
Working third tonight watching the WTF from the inside. As a contractor I'm waiting to hear what is going to happen on my end but I think our contracts been paid and we are considered essential staff but we will see. I love how the obabmacrats don't see the logic in waiting the year to fund oblowmecare.
BPTactical
10-01-2013, 05:59
I think this illustrates very clearly what an arrogant, narccissitic, petulant little boy we have leading our country.
He will "negotiate" with terrorists, send them arms after circumventing the law that forbids it. He will "negotiate" with Iran, Syria and Russia.
But he will not "negotiate" with his own house and congress over a "law" that clearly hurts so many of his constituents.
Pretty sure I've got feathers, anyone got the tar?
I have the high capacity buckets.
The government is shutdown, I wondered why I felt better when I woke up this morning. :)
Q. What corporation keeps "non-essential" personnel employed?
A. Not a one, corporations have a duty to the shareholders to improve the bottom line. When a person is deemed non-essential to the improvement of the bottom line they are released from employment. This is not true in government which has no bottom line, no budget, and no accountability to the shareholders (the net tax payor).
I'll bet my definition of "non-essential" is different from the government's definition.
Geology Rocks
10-01-2013, 06:54
Non-essential = employees who are not vital to the safety of the nation and its people. Clerk and so on. Police, fire, military all essential.
I would assume that all the politicians are being paid during this time?
Non-essential = employees who are not vital to the safety of the nation and its people. Clerk and so on. Police, fire, military all essential.
I would assume that all the politicians are being paid during this time?
That is correct. Why would anyone think that the laws that the ruling elite pass have any impact on themselves? They're exempt from anything, even accountability.
I wish we could scrap all of the bloat and get back to the Constitution. This country needs a reboot.
Hey, since 60% of the government is working now does that mean the confiscation of money from my paycheck will be reduced by 60%?
Hey, since 60% of the government is working now does that mean the confiscation of money from my paycheck will be reduced by 60%?
No, they'll find some way to bill you for the overtime the essentials will have to put in.
CUatTheEnd
10-01-2013, 07:24
It was my understanding that something has to work in order to shut down? Am I missing something?
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Bailey Guns
10-01-2013, 07:30
Government Shuts Down: Nation Descends Into Riots, Looting and Cannibalism (http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2013/10/government-shuts-down-nation-descends.html)
No, they'll find some way to bill you for the overtime the essentials will have to put in.
No doubt.
As I understand it the furloughed workers will get paid for their time off at a later date.
Government Shuts Down: Nation Descends Into Riots, Looting and Cannibalism (http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2013/10/government-shuts-down-nation-descends.html)
[ROFL1]
He always has something good to read.
Most of the functions that the government does now could easily be performed by private enterprise or in the case of a very few, state level government.
kidicarus13
10-01-2013, 08:01
"The shutdown, the first since the winter of 1995-96, closed national parks, museums along the Washington Mall and the U.S. Capitol visitors center. The Smithsonian website displayed a red banner noting that "all Smithsonian museums and the National Zoo are closed."
I haven't visited any of those places since my 7th grade school trip. I hope they stay closed, save the tax payer some $$$
Blockhead
10-01-2013, 08:03
As I understand it the furloughed workers will get paid for their time off at a later date.
No promise on that. In the past it has happened that way, but we live in different times.
No promise on that. In the past it has happened that way, but we live in different times.
Oh, I bet they get paid, precedent was set decades ago. Since when does economic reality affect the operations of the federal government. They are inflating their running budget from air every month.
SuperiorDG
10-01-2013, 08:24
So I have a pending order ready to deliver to the GSA in Denver for $1,800.00. I've paid all my vender and employees for the materials and fab work. Now I can't deliver and get paid. Spoke with someone down there about how I'm going to get paid and they laughed and said they were shut down, nothing they can do. ha ha real funny.
stoner01
10-01-2013, 08:39
So I have a pending order ready to deliver to the GSA in Denver for $1,800.00. I've paid all my vender and employees for the materials and fab work. Now I can't deliver and get paid. Spoke with someone down there about how I'm going to get paid and they laughed and said they were shut down, nothing they can do. ha ha real funny.
Stop whining and pick up that can, citizen.
I'd expect you have to treat them like every other nonpaying SOB out there, sue/file a lien eventually.
Holder said he we will give up part of his salary to sympathize with his employees...
RblDiver
10-01-2013, 09:23
That is correct. Why would anyone think that the laws that the ruling elite pass have any impact on themselves? They're exempt from anything, even accountability.
Well, admittedly, the 27th Amendment would prevent such an impact (at least for the present Congress. They could do something to impact a future one perhaps). http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am27.html
As for the shutdown, sure hasn't affected me any. (Almost (but not really) wish my company was a gov't entity; Terraria came out with an update last night, and I want to play! lol)
Holder said he we will give up part of his salary to sympathize with his employees...
that POS should be in prison not getting paid a dime.
I feel so much freer today.
However, I do realize that our grossly over sized government partially closing down will leave some people without a paycheck through no direct fault of their own. I hope they can find a job in the private sector.
theGinsue
10-01-2013, 10:56
POTUS message to government employees regarding the current government shutdown: (bold text is my own)
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
October 1, 2013
To the dedicated and hard-working employees of the United States Government:
The Federal Government is America’s largest employer, with more than 2 million civilian workers and 1.4 million active duty military who serve in all 50 States and around the world.
But Congress has failed to meet its responsibility to pass a budget before the fiscal year that begins today. And that means much of our Government must shut down effective today.
I want you to know that I will keep working to get Congress to reopen the Government, restart vital services that the American people depend on, and allow public servants who have been sent home to return to work. At my direction, your agencies should have reached out to you by now about what a shutdown means for you and your families.
Today, I wanted to take a moment to tell you what you mean to me-and to our country.
That begins by saying thank you for the work you do every day-work that is vitally important to our national security and to American families’ economic security. You defend our country overseas and ensure that our troops receive the benefits they deserve when they come home. You guard our borders and protect our civil rights. You help small businesses expand and gain new footholds in overseas markets. You guide hundreds of thousands of people each day through the glory of America’s national parks and monuments, from Yosemite to the Statue of Liberty. And much more.
You do all this is a political climate that, too often in recent years, has treated you like a punching bag. You have endured three years of a Federal pay freeze, harmful sequester cuts and now, a shutdown of our Government. And yet, you persevere, continuing to serve the American people with passion, professionalism, and skill.
None of this is fair to you. And should it continue, it will make it more difficult to keep attracting the kind of driven, patriotic, idealistic Americans to public service that our citizens deserve and that our system of self-government demands.
Public service is noble. Public service is important. And by choosing public service, you carry on a proud tradition at the heart of some of this country’s greatest and most lasting achievements. If fact, more than 50 current or former Federal employees have received the Nobel Prize for their efforts. It was grants from the Department of Energy that helped businesses unlock new sources of renewable energy, and from the National Science Foundation that helped entrepreneurs like the founders of Google change the world. It is your efforts that will help this country meet the great challenge of our time--rebuilding an economy where all who work hard can get ahead.
So while the budget fights in Washington are too often partisan, your service to the country must never be. As one of my predecessors, President George H.W. Bush, once said, “There is nothing more fulfilling than to serve your country and your fellow citizens and to do it well. And that is what our system of self-government depends on.”
This shutdown was completely preventable. It should not have happened. And the House of Representatives can end it as soon as it follows the Senate’s lead, and fund your work in the United States Government without trying to attach highly controversial and partisan measures in the process.
Hopefully, we will resolve this quickly. In the meantime, I want you to know—whether you are a young person who just joined public service because you want to make a difference, or a career employee who has dedicated your life to that pursuit—you and your families remain at the front of my mind. Your agency leaders and I will continue to defend your work at a time when that work has rarely been more important. We will continue to work with your agencies to keep you and your families apprised and informed of what is happening. And I will continue to do everything in my power to get the House of Representatives to allow our Government to reopen as quickly as possible, and make sure you receive the pay that you have earned.
Thank you, again, for your service, your sacrifice, and everything you do every day for this country we love so much.
Sincerely,
Barack Obama
So, in his message to the masses of government employees he’s placing all of the blame on the House of Representatives. I admit this doesn’t surprise me one bit. He says it’s the House’s responsibility to follow the Senate’s lead. Hmm. Perhaps I misunderstood things in Civics class when I was taught that the House is responsible for initiating ALL fiscal bills. To me, that sounds like it’s the House’s responsibility to provide the lead and the Senate’s responsibility to follow that lead. Of course, that wouldn’t support this Administrations agenda now would it? The House has been providing APPROVED bills to the Senate. It is the Senate who is failing to approve those bills, so (to me) it’s the Senate who is failing to keep the government running.
So I have a pending order ready to deliver to the GSA in Denver for $1,800.00. I've paid all my vender and employees for the materials and fab work. Now I can't deliver and get paid. Spoke with someone down there about how I'm going to get paid and they laughed and said they were shut down, nothing they can do. ha ha real funny.
They laughed?!?! Charge the arrogant fucks interest for the period they are shut down.
Tehy laughed?!?! Charge the arrogant fucks interest for the period they are shut down.
yep.
Holder said he we will give up part of his salary to sympathize with his employees...
That db needs to be printing plates.
Damn it i was trying to avoid reading that garbage all night. FBO!
POTUS message to government employees regarding the current government shutdown: (bold text is my own)
So, in his message to the masses of government employees he’s placing all of the blame on the House of Representatives. I admit this doesn’t surprise me one bit. He says it’s the House’s responsibility to follow the Senate’s lead. Hmm. Perhaps I misunderstood things in Civics class when I was taught that the House is responsible for initiating ALL fiscal bills. To me, that sounds like it’s the House’s responsibility to provide the lead and the Senate’s responsibility to follow that lead. Of course, that wouldn’t support this Administrations agenda now would it? The House has been providing APPROVED bills to the Senate. It is the Senate who is failing to approve those bills, so (to me) it’s the Senate who is failing to keep the government running.
theGinsue - Go to your room!! You are applying reason and logic where it isn't wanted by The Great Deceiver.
ChunkyMonkey
10-01-2013, 12:41
theGinsue - Go to your room!! You are applying reason and logic where it isn't wanted by The Great Deceiver.
Have you seen Thomas' room?
stoner01
10-01-2013, 12:44
Have you seen Thomas' room?
Do I want to?
Have you seen Thomas' room?
No sir.
Do I want to?
Now I'm getting scared. :)
tmleadr03
10-01-2013, 13:28
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hurley842002
10-01-2013, 13:34
Any of you guys watching C-SPAN2? Making me sick some of the tweets from our Reps and Senators! Just back and forth, "well the Republicans need to grow up, blah blah blah". THESE ARE THE FOLKS RUNNING THE US!! Simply amazing....
hurley842002
10-01-2013, 13:38
And Sen Edward Markey (D) is a moron!!
Any of you guys watching C-SPAN2? Making me sick some of the tweets from our Reps and Senators! Just back and forth, "well the Republicans need to grow up, blah blah blah". THESE ARE THE FOLKS RUNNING THE US!! Simply amazing....
They talk just like children because they've never had to work a day in their life.
SuperiorDG
10-01-2013, 13:56
They laughed?!?! Charge the arrogant fucks interest for the period they are shut down.
Yea she did. But after explaining my situation, being a small business and all, she changed her tone. I think she was there working for free.
Yea she did. But after explaining my situation, being a small business and all, she changed her tone. I think she was there working for free.
Oh ok.
She isn't working for free, she just knows her pay is delayed a little while.
trlcavscout
10-01-2013, 17:13
Fuck them all, shut the some bitch down, fire them all and we can start over with a few motherfuckers that know what's going on.
I volunteer to be in charge of foreign affairs, or the new dept of "lack of foreign problems" as it would be known after about 20 minutes.
The Democrats always define "bi-partisanship" as giving up any values you have and giving them exactly what they demand. They never return the favor. Screw 'em.
The House is the 'people's house'. They represent the people more than any other body in the Federal govt. Maybe the Senate and other branches might want to take note of what the people are saying about where their money goes.
Nah, never gonna' happen.
Goodburbon
10-01-2013, 17:41
I've got to admit that the left is Hella good at messaging. They've successfully assigned this shutdown to the "idealogues in the tea party who are holding the Republican Party hostage." The "republican shutdown"TM is all the fault of a group of people who can't accept that they lost this fight in all three branches of government.
It's all over the "news" networks, Twitter, Facebook, etc.. "Eff the republicans" coming from all sides.
It's all ted Cruz's idiot fault, from rep senator king.
They've got the daily show, Colbert report, CNN, HLN, BBC, CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, and half of FOX (because they actually try to be balanced.
We've got what?...the blaze, half of fox, and a dozen right wing extreme cuckoo nut websites.
The message war was lost before it began, since ALL right wing media is discredited before a single word leaves their lips.
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hurley842002
10-01-2013, 17:47
I've got to admit that the left is Hella good at messaging. They've successfully assigned this shutdown to the "idealogues in the tea party who are holding the Republican Party hostage." The "republican shutdown"TM is all the fault of a group of people who can't accept that they lost this fight in all three branches of government.
It's all over the "news" networks, Twitter, Facebook, etc.. "Eff the republicans" coming from all sides.
It's all ted Cruz's idiot fault, from rep senator king.
They've got the daily show, Colbert report, CNN, HLN, BBC, CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, and half of FOX (because they actually try to be balanced.
We've got what?...the blaze, half of fox, and a dozen right wing extreme cuckoo nut websites.
The message war was lost before it began, since ALL right wing media is discredited before a single word leaves their lips.
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I'm sure any momentum the Republicans have gained is down the toilet, after the Dems twist this all around, and the left wing media machine delivers it that way.
I've got to admit that the left is Hella good at messaging.
-and in the age of twitter/facebook/Daily Show/etc., until the Right can get better at messaging, the Right is doomed. Old white guys droning on about gay marriage and abortion is a bit too yesteryear to dominate elections in the present day.
That message was lost months ago. The "radical tea part faction" has been holding the house hostage while pushing their agenda.
This one of the big reasons they really should not have let it get to this point. (R) is going to take all the blame for any downside.
edit, Popped on over to Economist and what is on the top of the front page?
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2013/10/shutdown
The shutdown
Will voters punish the Republicans?
That is UK press saying the message battle is lost.
jerrymrc
10-01-2013, 18:29
I fully understand how much you guys hate all of us but 3 combat vets were let go today in my shop. 2 of them are board members. Just a thought since it seems that many of you seem to think we all should just put a gun in our mouth and pull the trigger because of things we have no control over. Have a nice day.
Goodburbon
10-01-2013, 18:37
I fully understand how much you guys hate all of us but 3 combat vets were let go today in my shop. 2 of them are board members. Just a thought since it seems that many of you seem to think we all should just put a gun in our mouth and pull the trigger because of things we have no control over. Have a nice day.
What are you talking about?
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spqrzilla
10-01-2013, 18:41
The Democrats messaging is breaking down with stupid stunts like closing the WWII Memorial
Gov't Shutdown of 2013 = unequivocal political gift to Hillary.
jerrymrc
10-01-2013, 19:22
What are you talking about?
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The government is shutdown, I wondered why I felt better when I woke up this morning. :)
Q. What corporation keeps "non-essential" personnel employed?
A. Not a one, corporations have a duty to the shareholders to improve the bottom line. When a person is deemed non-essential to the improvement of the bottom line they are released from employment. This is not true in government which has no bottom line, no budget, and no accountability to the shareholders (the net tax payor).
I'll bet my definition of "non-essential" is different from the government's definition.
No doubt.
As I understand it the furloughed workers will get paid for their time off at a later date.
Oh, I bet they get paid, precedent was set decades ago. Since when does economic reality affect the operations of the federal government. They are inflating their running budget from air every month.
Fuck them all, shut the some bitch down, fire them all and we can start over with a few motherfuckers that know what's going on.
hollohas
10-01-2013, 19:27
This is all BS. They are arguing about a continuing resolution. In other words, the Dems want the government to function on basically the same budget it's had since 1997 and the Repubs want to function on the very same budget we have for the last 16 years but don't want to appropriate money to BamaCare.
I have a wild idea. Why doesn't Congress come up with a NEW budget, rather than just agreeing on a continuing resolution and appropriations based on the last real budget that's 16 years old?
Here's (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/budget/stories/080697.htm) a little interesting refresher of 1997.
I have a wild idea. Why doesn't Congress come up with a NEW budget, rather than just agreeing on a continuing resolution and appropriations based on the last real budget that's 16 years old?
It is, after all, one of the few things they have a Constitutional duty to perform. Why there are no consequences and the governed just put up with it, is beyond me.
I fully understand how much you guys hate all of us but 3 combat vets were let go today in my shop. 2 of them are board members. Just a thought since it seems that many of you seem to think we all should just put a gun in our mouth and pull the trigger because of things we have no control over. Have a nice day.
Folks getting paid by the government should be providing a benefit to the majority of people paying them. If we're paying you we should be doing it for our benefit. I don't consider tying red tape in neat bows or determining who to send tax money to a benefit. Thats the view I and many others have of gov employes, perhaps because we have little interaction and therefore see little benefit.
I fully understand how much you guys hate all of us but 3 combat vets were let go today in my shop. 2 of them are board members. Just a thought since it seems that many of you seem to think we all should just put a gun in our mouth and pull the trigger because of things we have no control over. Have a nice day.
I don't control where they choose to spend money.
The clowns in charge chose to spend my tax dollars on welfare recipients, not on your guys. I'd rather see your guys working than some illegal alien getting another free meal. You can't blame us for that one.
There are 2 enormous problems with the federal government, one is the onerous tax burden carried by 50 percent of eligible taxpayers and the second is the distribution of those funds to groups and people that did nothing to earn them.
jerrymrc
10-01-2013, 20:29
Folks getting paid by the government should be providing a benefit to the majority of people paying them. If we're paying you we should be doing it for our benefit. I don't consider tying red tape in neat bows or determining who to send tax money to a benefit. Thats the view I and many others have of gov employes, perhaps because we have little interaction and therefore see little benefit.
Don't interact with the public. All I do is take care of the troops. I also try and save your tax $$$ from contractors and salesmen that think the .gov is nothing but something to try and take advantage of for their own gain.
Just like many subjects people seem to have a view that one = all. This has come up before and it always reminds me of some KKK lynch mob. In my little world all this has done is to take away support and services for the soldiers and there families. Those of us remaining will do the best we can. I will just leave it at that.
I have issues with some .gov agency's as well. I just got my tax return yesterday that was filed on time. Should I go on a rant about all govt workers should be fired? So one person has an issue with a car repair should we all go out and find the first dealership and kill all the mechanics?
Just a thought as I will abstain from further posting on the topic.
I must have missed the posts that said that government employees should be killed.
tmleadr03
10-01-2013, 20:42
Oops, shut down.
http://isthegovernmentopen.com/images/obama.gif
If interest rates on government borrowing goes up, the amount of money left for the federal government to operate goes down. When the FedRes stops buying debt, that interest rate will go up. Depending on how much the rate goes up, there may not be enough money to pay any federal employees.
At that point, there won't be any money left to pay for anything but the debt that We the People have accrued.
The funding of the ACA and the debt ceiling are small beans compared to the future we face.
Be safe.
Oops, shut down.
http://isthegovernmentopen.com/images/obama.gif
There is a trick to opening that door from the Rose Garden into the Oval Office. [Coffee]
buffalobo
10-01-2013, 21:15
There is a trick to opening that door from the Rose Garden into the Oval Office. [Coffee]
He can call Bill for the trick.
He can call Bill for the trick.
There is a little Butler's pantry between the Oval Office and the President's private office. It is very small, but apparently just big enough for two people and a cigar.
Aloha_Shooter
10-01-2013, 21:24
Short form for understanding "essential": would someone be working at that position if there was a 4-6 foot snowfall and 35+ mph blowing winds outside? If you'd have to go in under those conditions, you're essential (at least for that day). If you'd stay home under those conditions, you're not. Biggest laugh of my life was seeing how many people considered themselves to be "essential" on the first day of furloughs under the Clinton-Gingrich showdown.
buffalobo
10-01-2013, 21:26
There is a little Butler's pantry between the Oval Office and the President's private office. It is very small, but apparently just big enough for two people and a cigar.
[rockon], don't call him Slick for nuthin.
Probably bammy and the goat boy know it too.
But what about the door from the Rose Garden?
Aloha_Shooter
10-01-2013, 21:56
That message was lost months ago. The "radical tea part faction" has been holding the house hostage while pushing their agenda.
This one of the big reasons they really should not have let it get to this point. (R) is going to take all the blame for any downside.
That's a load of equine manure. The "radical" Tea Party faction has been pushing the House and Senate to do the jobs they are assigned under Article II of the Constitution. Their agenda is quite simply to restore a balanced financial picture and planning to the federal government. The Republicans are certainly horrible at messaging; part of the reason for that is that most of the people good at spinning senseless crap with no basis in reality are liberals. Republicans are certainly going to get the blame for any downside but they've taken that for the last 50 years even when the pain was caused by Democrats.
The worst thing that could happen is continuing to cave to the demands of the toddlers following Obama and Reid.
BPTactical
10-01-2013, 22:17
There is a little Butler's pantry between the Oval Office and the President's private office. It is very small, but apparently just big enough for two people and a cigar.
If your cigar tastes like crap, she's pissed.........
Like I said early on, imho this shows what a punk we have for leadership. A true leader can bring opposing views together to a beneficial outcome.
Instead we have an arrogant and petulant little man that sits like a spoiled brat in the corner saying "I won't do it!"
Not saying the other side is perfect, but at least they have put forth some viable proposals and with the other side saying they won't even consider them, well to me it shows who is willing to work for a solution.
Interesting how the media is totally grilling the Repubs.
Anarchists, Arsonists, Terrorists.....
I know plenty of government workers that have nothing to do with the decisions that politicians make. They're good people that are just like the rest of the communities that they serve.
Many of them are veterans that retired from the military and went back in as civilians.
Their pay and lives have been disrupted while the politicians play their spoiled, selfish games.
I really hope this isn't a long furlough. :(
I know plenty of government workers that have nothing to do with the decisions that politicians make. They're good people that are just like the rest of the communities that they serve.
Many of them are veterans that retired from the military and went back in as civilians.
Their pay and lives have been disrupted while the politicians play their spoiled, selfish games.
I really hope this isn't a long furlough. :(
Well, this isn't the first federal shutdown, and it likely won't be the last. While there is no guarantee that Congress will do what they have done in the past but... In every other shutdown, the essential workers were eventually paid for having gone to work and done their job just as if there never was a shutdown. The non-essential workers were paid as if they had gone to work because Congress decided that it would be wrong to penalize them for being forced to stay at home because the crisis was not of their own making. It has become a strange little irony that approximately 60% of the federal workforce is essential and they are a bit jealous of the 40% of non-essential federal workers who will be paid to stay home.
We have the government we elected. Obviously each of us made our own choices, however, we now live with the choices of the majority of our fellow Americans. If we find ourselves in a shit stew, we need look no further than ourselves. Congress is representing a divided nation and we are being lead by a man with little or no moral compass. These are the times we live in.
Be safe.
Well, this isn't the first federal shutdown, and it likely won't be the last. While there is no guarantee that Congress will do what they have done in the past but... In every other shutdown, the essential workers were eventually paid for having gone to work and done their job just as if there never was a shutdown. The non-essential workers were paid as if they had gone to work because Congress decided that it would be wrong to penalize them for being forced to stay at home because the crisis was not of their own making. It has become a strange little irony that approximately 60% of the federal workforce is essential and they are a bit jealous of the 40% of non-essential federal workers who will be paid to stay home.
We have the government we elected. Obviously each of us made our own choices, however, we now live with the choices of the majority of our fellow Americans. If we find ourselves in a shit stew, we need look no further than ourselves. Congress is representing a divided nation and we are being lead by a man with little or no moral compass. These are the times we live in.
Be safe.
I know. I do appreciate what you're saying; I'm just finding it especially worrisome in this economic climate.
I also know that the people that must stay home have work piling up- and they're going to have to frantically try to catch up and unbury their desks when things get going again. In the meantime, their bills do not wait. So not only will they be forced to try and catch up with the work piling up, but their bills as well.
This is another situation where the people hurt have nothing to do with the problem. You bet your ass if congress, the senate and obutthole were locked in a room without pay and could not leave until the national deficit was $0 and a working budget was signed, they would be out by lunch. They have the power to fix this, they know what is right but they will fight the party line for whoever has them in their pocket. They suffer no real consequence or accountability for anything and with that their only real motivation is to make the other party look bad in an attempt to displace blame and win some votes.
That's a load of equine manure. The "radical" Tea Party faction has been pushing the House and Senate to do the jobs they are assigned under Article II of the Constitution. Their agenda is quite simply to restore a balanced financial picture and planning to the federal government. The Republicans are certainly horrible at messaging; part of the reason for that is that most of the people good at spinning senseless crap with no basis in reality are liberals. Republicans are certainly going to get the blame for any downside but they've taken that for the last 50 years even when the pain was caused by Democrats.
The worst thing that could happen is continuing to cave to the demands of the toddlers following Obama and Reid.
The second sentence of my post is what is repeated everywhere, thats why it went in. That is the message and point that this is reinforcing.
If the goal is really smaller, lower budget government then a budget that has any hope of becoming law has to actually be passed. Everybody with half a brain knows that a bill with "defund the president's signature bill, the bill he'll be remembered for" Will Not Pass. Even if somehow it had enough sweetener to pass the Senate the president will veto any repeal of his signature bill. Even getting the government shut down didn't stop it as it is classed non-discretionary.
Put it in the first version to make a political point, fine. But when it comes back with that section removed send back something loaded with other cuts everywhere. Score a second round of points with all the other cuts. Beating the same dead horse doesn't reinforce your point.
You may well be right that nobody up there wants smaller government. The (R) side sure didn't when Bush was in office and they held the reins, they could have made a difference then. Nobody is willing to to deal with the fact that either there are going to be massive cuts to the entitlement side or massive hikes on the middle class to balance things out.
Aloha_Shooter
10-02-2013, 07:16
The President and Harry Reid are holding firm because they don't WANT a budget that is smaller. We went through this dance before. Heck, this budget was still enormous and only cut out the part that has the greatest chance of exploding into even higher debt and they wouldn't budge but you're calling the Tea Party faction "radical". That's pure idiocy -- and the Tea Party faction didn't even exist when Bush was president, it arose because of the extraordinary spending pushed by OPR (Obama-Pelosi-Reid) that made even Bush look fiscally responsible.
You want to say the GOP and Bush aren't blameless? Fine, I'm with you on that but calling the Tea Party faction radical when the obstinate radicalism is clearly sitting over at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and at the Senate is blindly ignorant and purely stupid.
buckshotbarlow
10-02-2013, 07:19
Posted in another thread but posting again for effecthttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/10/01/ade4e4yg.jpg
Are you talking about my wife also???
RblDiver
10-02-2013, 10:00
edit, Popped on over to Economist and what is on the top of the front page?
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2013/10/shutdown
[B]That is UK press saying the message battle is lost.
Seeing as how The Economist is very left-wing, this isn't surprising.
(Hell, they once advocated getting rid of the House of Lords for a very dumb reason. They were arguing that people whose specialties were in, for example (since I can't remember specifics) the military shouldn't be making health care decisions. I wanted to yell at them, "So, rather than have a body with a diverse skillset, it's better to have a body whose only skill is politics?")
I have an idea to encourage the politicians in DC to get off their dead asses and do their jobs: Not only do they not get paid during the "shutdown", but all of their benefits are suspended for the duration (Travel, security, staff, etcetera), and all of their assets are frozen, period. The can lodge in a dormitory at Annapolis, eat in the chow hall, ride a bus to the Capitol, period. If I didn't do my job for 3 f**king years, that's be more than I got. Alternatively, they could be fined for all salaries and benefits they accrued in those 3 years. They need to figure out that they cannot continue to spend 30% more than the government takes in in taxes indefinitely. Sooner rather than later, there needs to be deep spending cuts, along with responsible oversight to ensure that the Government gets good value for the money it spends.
If interest rates on government borrowing goes up, the amount of money left for the federal government to operate goes down. When the FedRes stops buying debt, that interest rate will go up. Depending on how much the rate goes up, there may not be enough money to pay any federal employees.
At that point, there won't be any money left to pay for anything but the debt that We the People have accrued.
The funding of the ACA and the debt ceiling are small beans compared to the future we face.
Be safe.
Bingo
RblDiver
10-02-2013, 13:49
I guess Harry Reid hates kids. They passed a bill to support paying the troops during the "shutdown," but he won't do the same to support childrens' cancer clinical trials by the NIH. When asked if he would support it, he said "Why would we want to do that?" http://hotair.com/archives/2013/10/02/harry-reid-no-we-wont-agree-to-fund-nih-in-order-to-restart-treatment-for-kids-with-cancer/
Two thirds of my division was furloughed - including both of my bosses. At least I have a sweet parking spot close to the N-NC building (while I'm not getting paid....)
Fuck them all, shut the some bitch down, fire them all and we can start over with a few motherfuckers that know what's going on.
I volunteer to be in charge of foreign affairs, or the new dept of "lack of foreign problems" as it would be known after about 20 minutes.
I want that job. American foreign policy, you screw with us and we play cowboys and injuns with you as the injuns!!
RonMexico
10-02-2013, 21:21
Just found out this shutdown is finally going impact my life personally. Luckily I am use to the hurry up and wait lifestyle but it's horrible timing on my career
Jeffrey Lebowski
10-03-2013, 07:20
Seeing as how The Economist is very left-wing, this isn't surprising.
(Hell, they once advocated getting rid of the House of Lords for a very dumb reason. They were arguing that people whose specialties were in, for example (since I can't remember specifics) the military shouldn't be making health care decisions. I wanted to yell at them, "So, rather than have a body with a diverse skillset, it's better to have a body whose only skill is politics?")
Feels like it didn't used to be nearly so bad a decade or 15 years back, but I agree.
For that sort of thing, WSJ only for me.
RblDiver
10-03-2013, 09:38
Feels like it didn't used to be nearly so bad a decade or 15 years back, but I agree.
Heh, well I haven't a clue about that, I've only been reading for 2 years or so :P
Jeffrey Lebowski
10-03-2013, 20:28
Heh, well I haven't a clue about that, I've only been reading for 2 years or so :P
Switch it up for WSJ, my friend. You'll find the articles better and the writers more informed. [Beer]
SuperiorDG
10-04-2013, 08:49
https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1379538_10202101824334268_729683797_n.jpg
zzzippper
10-04-2013, 09:44
I'm late to this thread and sitting here on furlough. Normally I would be making sure that the satellites that guide your GPS work they way they should. Who exactly do you all want to tar and feather or lynch?
Aloha_Shooter
10-04-2013, 09:46
I'm late to this thread and sitting here on furlough. Normally I would be making sure that the satellites that guide your GPS work they way they should. Who exactly do you all want to tar and feather or lynch?
John Morse. Oh wait, we did that already.
clublights
10-04-2013, 09:49
I'm late to this thread and sitting here on furlough. Normally I would be making sure that the satellites that guide your GPS work they way they should. Who exactly do you all want to tar and feather or lynch?
I'm honestly surprised that is not considered "essential" .... or did they reduce staff to a min level and you drew one of the short straws??? ( this is an honest question)
spqrzilla
10-04-2013, 09:52
I wish I knew Obama had this much fence lying around during the immigration debate.
I'm late to this thread and sitting here on furlough. Normally I would be making sure that the satellites that guide your GPS work they way they should. Who exactly do you all want to tar and feather or lynch?
all of them. this is a pissing match politics game. the democrats need to give up on obamacare and the government can resume its normally scheduled programming. until that happens I hope they keep it shut down. If people blindly follow a GPS off a cliff because it is off a few degrees then darwin has done his job. The aircraft I fly have backups for use without GPS and I have done it before and will do it again. I'll make it work out.
Obamacare needs to be repealed in its entirety. It is another shitty social program that will cost us billions, add more fuel to the fire for people to not have any incentive to get a job and quite contrary it will make them want to not have a job and live the lifestyle off the backs of everyone else who will have to work extra hard to keep their same lifestyle if that is even possible.
Obamacare is the same as welfare, section 8 housing, obamaphone, medicare, medicaid, food stamps/EBT, social security, blah blah blah.
All of those programs could go away and people could be responsible for their own selves. they save for their retirement or get a job at a company who has a retirement benefit. Get your own healthcare, pay doctors in cash or get private insurance just like car insurance, life insurance, home insurance, renters insurance and everything else you want to insure. someone on welfare might pay for car insurance but they won't pay for their own health insurance and that needs to be a government benefit....fuck that.
don't worry though, my opinion won't mean shit soon, you can get back to staring at the screen showing the position of the satellite and all its automated systems, the politicians will have a big celebratory dinner celebrating their agreement to get everything back up and running and talk about how important they are to running the country, and I will continue working like I always do except another little cut into my paycheck will take place. death by a thousand cuts....
Aloha_Shooter
10-04-2013, 10:34
I'm honestly surprised that is not considered "essential" .... or did they reduce staff to a min level and you drew one of the short straws??? ( this is an honest question)
Again, a good way to understand "essential" is, would someone be in working on that task right now if there were 4-6 feet of snow outside with 30-50 mph winds? There are a lot of tasks that need to be done but that can survive a day or 2 or 3 without someone tending to it. There are other tasks (e.g., ER doctor or nurse, air traffic controller, guard at critical national security resources) where you can't just look out the window, say the weather is shitty and you're taking the day off. "Essential" jobs are the ones where someone has to be there right now no matter what.
Jeffrey Lebowski
10-04-2013, 10:37
Again, a good way to understand "essential" is, would someone be in working on that task right now if there were 4-6 feet of snow outside with 30-50 mph winds? There are a lot of tasks that need to be done but that can survive a day or 2 or 3 without someone tending to it. There are other tasks (e.g., ER doctor or nurse, air traffic controller, guard at critical national security resources) where you can't just look out the window, say the weather is shitty and you're taking the day off. "Essential" jobs are the ones where someone has to be there right now no matter what.
I agree, but BHO has plenty of incentive to make this as painful as possible.
Federal cops = overtime to make sure no one walks around national parks.
GPS? Not essential.
I'm late to this thread and sitting here on furlough. Normally I would be making sure that the satellites that guide your GPS work they way they should. Who exactly do you all want to tar and feather or lynch?
That's funny because I was scheduling a tow yesterday and the driver's GPS wouldn't find the address I gave him. I thought he was on crack but it's YOUR fault. ;). JK, obviously. But interesting to know why it may not have been working.
hurley842002
10-04-2013, 11:28
That's funny because I was scheduling a tow yesterday and the driver's GPS wouldn't find the address I gave him. I thought he was on crack but it's YOUR fault. ;). JK, obviously. But interesting to know why it may not have been working.
Interesting, I was messing with a new mapping app on my phone and it was working fine. I'll have to try it again today.
Aloha_Shooter
10-04-2013, 12:09
I agree, but BHO has plenty of incentive to make this as painful as possible.
Federal cops = overtime to make sure no one walks around national parks.
GPS? Not essential.
That's the funniest part of how his administration is approaching the shutdown. They're doing the Clinton approach of making it as painful as possible but again, going ten steps further. I think they may have overreached and shown their idiocy to the point that even the lamestream media has to notice when they spend actual payroll dollars to close down something that not only takes no federal funding to keep open (e.g., open air monuments) but produces federal revenue (e.g., private monuments and museums). It's one thing to say the shutdown means there's no one to process your passport or NFA form or to cut the grass but it's a whole other thing to say they're putting up barrycades and running rangers around to write tickets because people are walking onto an open air monument or National Park land.
colorider
10-04-2013, 12:14
My gps has been freaking out all week. Garmin unit.
They just pick and choose random sectors to shut down and furlough. Everyone in those sectors gets pissed each time, then when they see other sectors getting it they get pissed again because they know what it feels like. hit every group and you touch a whole lot of people. One more problem with the government....waaaay too big.
brianakell
10-04-2013, 12:34
Good! Maybe people can learn to read a map again! Not likely Im sure, but I can hope. I cant beleive how many people know their address (dont know street avenue or drive tho) but do not know how to give directions to get there, or even the name of the nearest cross street.
Jeffrey Lebowski
10-04-2013, 14:32
That's the funniest part of how his administration is approaching the shutdown. They're doing the Clinton approach of making it as painful as possible but again, going ten steps further. I think they may have overreached and shown their idiocy to the point that even the lamestream media has to notice when they spend actual payroll dollars to close down something that not only takes no federal funding to keep open (e.g., open air monuments) but produces federal revenue (e.g., private monuments and museums). It's one thing to say the shutdown means there's no one to process your passport or NFA form or to cut the grass but it's a whole other thing to say they're putting up barrycades and running rangers around to write tickets because people are walking onto an open air monument or National Park land.
Well, if anyone is feeling particularly saucy or troll-ish, how about giving "Rent-a-cade" a call to tell them you don't appreciate their role in all this? [snow]
34769
I see 1-800-45-SONCO or Rentaguard.com
clublights
10-04-2013, 14:41
Well, if anyone is feeling particularly saucy or troll-ish, how about giving "Rent-a-cade" a call to tell them you don't appreciate their role in all this? [snow]
34769
I see 1-800-45-SONCO or Rentaguard.com
I See no point in attacking a company that is renting equipment... it's what they do .. it's their job. at least their employees are getting paid.
Jeffrey Lebowski
10-04-2013, 14:54
What's that Edmund Burke quote about what it takes for evil to triumph? Something about good men to stand by and.....profit?
And believe me, I take the side of business over almost everyone in most circumstances. But this is ridiculous. Ethics and common sense and integrity mean more to me than a few bucks on this one. That's just me, though.
I like compromise. Compromises means that no one gets everything they want. Here is my suggested compromise:
Raise the debt ceiling and permanently defund the ACA.
or
Keep the ACA and no increase in the debt ceiling. The Senate Democrats and the President can figure out how to fund the entire government and the ACA within the current legal federal debt limit.
Either way, this is all still a small issue compared to the pending debt service issue the US will face WHEN interests go up.
Be safe.
zzzippper
10-04-2013, 15:08
Please don't be as short sighted as the politicians. Your GPSs are working with old technology. The new GPSIII constellation is supposed to start lauching in 2015. Let me amend my statement to say we are working to ensure that your GPS is working 10 years from now.
zzzippper
10-04-2013, 15:14
I work in quality assurance. No products move unless we sign off on them. In the earlier shutdowns QA was considered essential and we worked not knowing if we were going to get paid. This time everyone in my command is furloughed unless they are paid with funds that do not need annual appropriations. That means that our "Keystone program" interns are working while the people who are supposed to train them sit at home. All emails get an out of office reply telling them to contact our commander, a USAF full Colonel. Only the trainees and military are there, none of who can give the okay for products to move. Billions of dollars in satellites, airplanes, tanks, munitions, uniforms...all of it is just sitting. I didn't draw a short straw, we all did.
I'm honestly surprised that is not considered "essential" .... or did they reduce staff to a min level and you drew one of the short straws??? ( this is an honest question)
generalmeow
10-04-2013, 15:53
I'm glad the republicans did this, but I can't figure out why they did it. We all know they're going to fold and do everything Obama wants, and so unless they intended to go all the way with this it's pretty pointless. And I know they don't intend to go all the way.
If anything, Obama gets more out of this than he would have otherwise. Maybe that's the reason? How do you appease the tea party while at the same time giving Obama everything he wants, and more? Because I know the republican parasites want the same thing Obama wants, but they also want to get re-elected. They can say "we fought it as hard as we could!" They couldn't have said that without a shutdown.
That's funny because I was scheduling a tow yesterday and the driver's GPS wouldn't find the address I gave him. I thought he was on crack but it's YOUR fault. ;). JK, obviously. But interesting to know why it may not have been working.
ARS sucks to begin with anyway, so that doesn't help.
ARS sucks to begin with anyway, so that doesn't help.
It was Westside towing. Personal tow, not claim related.
Aloha_Shooter
10-04-2013, 17:11
My e-mail to Bennett and Udall (not that they'll read it):
The way President Obama and Senator Reid are creating an artificial budget crisis to score political points is unconscionable.
It is beyond ridiculous that the Administration has paid to barrycade open air monuments and parks much less attempt to close facilities that require no federal funding to operate. The fact President Obama chose to fund NPR over the NIH is downright evil.
I demand you vote -- and pressure Senator Reid -- to fund government functions all sides agree are critical and necessary. You can convene a conference to discuss funding the functions that are disputed
Can anyone find the secret message?
SOUTHCENTRAL AND SOUTHWEST ALASKA FORECAST DISCUSSIONNATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE ANCHORAGE AK
500 AM AKDT FRI OCT 4 2013
.ANALYSIS AND UPPER LEVELS...
PRESSURES AT THE CENTER OF THE WESTERN GULF SURFACE LOW CONTINUE TO
LEVEL AS DYNAMIC SUPPORT HAS ONCE AGAIN RUN OUT. THE UPPER TROUGH
EASES SLOWLY EASTWARD IN THE GULF WITH THE REMAINING SURFACE LOW
AMALGAMATING INTO A BROAD COMPLEX CENTER UNDER THE UPPER LOW. WIND
SPEEDS IN THE JET STREAK DOWNSTREAM OF THE LONG-WAVE APPROACH 140 KT.
ENTERING THE BACKSIDE OF THE TROUGH...A WEAKER JET STREAK CONTINUES
PUSHING THE PROGRESSIVE PATTERN. RAIN SHOWERS PERSIST IN THE GULF...
ALTHOUGH THE FRONT IS RAPIDLY WEAKENING EARLY THIS MORNING.
YESTERDAY`S COASTAL JET HAS WOUND DOWN WITH THE ENERGY SHIFTING
UNDERNEATH THE BACKSIDE JET BEHIND THE LOW BRINGING THE STRONGEST
SUSTAINED WINDS FROM BRISTOL BAY THROUGH THE SOUTHERN GULF.
Can anyone find the secret message?
Please Pay Us [LOL]
OtterbatHellcat
10-04-2013, 17:56
I think the Scorpions sang about that secret message.
OtterbatHellcat
10-04-2013, 18:47
Just in case nobody really picked up on that reference....
It was double entendre actually... Yes, hurricane related of course.
AND....the song is about someone doin' some fuckin', and someone getting fucked.
It is sad that many regular good hard working folk, are being affected by the "shut down". I don't like that, not cool.
But when do we, as a nation, plan to get the fuck out of debt? Sure, lets blame the dems for hard prick dick sucking wanting to GIVE everybody everything, and blame the Rpubs for BLOCKING progress and hurting all these folks by squabbling about bullshit.
Quick, everybody!! Lets get all these horrible elected officials who retain their fat cat fucking salaries and high end healthcare, and non social security paying fuckwads.....to all agree to RAISE the debt ceiling again, so we can keep doling out money to useless fucking nations, in all kinds of full retard aid....for what? A base with a few airstrips in a strategic location? Some backing in the U.N.? (which we fund most of anyways)... fucking PR?........ gobs of money for disasters around the world, and when shit hits the fan here at home......Bullshit response, our own people in really bad shape....the nonsense horseshit will never end. Sorry, a little ranty there... but...
When are we gonna fix our own debt? Fix the books here FIRST...we have to. Keep passing the buck...NO.....is it gonna hurt? Yes.
I say start now.
It was Westside towing. Personal tow, not claim related.
Funny thing is that the good tow services like AAA, and the less good ones like ARS, use all the same tow companies!
10mm-man
10-04-2013, 23:51
Just in case nobody really picked up on that reference....
It was double entendre actually... Yes, hurricane related of course.
AND....the song is about someone doin' some fuckin', and someone getting fucked.
It is sad that many regular good hard working folk, are being affected by the "shut down". I don't like that, not cool.
But when do we, as a nation, plan to get the fuck out of debt? Sure, lets blame the dems for hard prick dick sucking wanting to GIVE everybody everything, and blame the Rpubs for BLOCKING progress and hurting all these folks by squabbling about bullshit.
Quick, everybody!! Lets get all these horrible elected officials who retain their fat cat fucking salaries and high end healthcare, and non social security paying fuckwads.....to all agree to RAISE the debt ceiling again, so we can keep doling out money to useless fucking nations, in all kinds of full retard aid....for what? A base with a few airstrips in a strategic location? Some backing in the U.N.? (which we fund most of anyways)... fucking PR?........ gobs of money for disasters around the world, and when shit hits the fan here at home......Bullshit response, our own people in really bad shape....the nonsense horseshit will never end. Sorry, a little ranty there... but...
When are we gonna fix our own debt? Fix the books here FIRST...we have to. Keep passing the buck...NO.....is it gonna hurt? Yes.
I say start now.
I am with you- weaning off the Gov tit isn't going to be easy, but it is necessary..........
The fact that this shutdown is impacting so many people should be a red flag to the citizenry. The Federal government is doing too much in our daily lives.
RblDiver
10-07-2013, 13:19
I have a tendency not to watch the news on weekends, but surprised this didn't make a bigger splash. So yeah, if the Senate passes this bill, it just means this whole thing has been a paid vacation. (I think we all knew this would happen anyway, but this is codifying it).
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/6/debt-fight-is-likely-to-escalate-shutdown-showdown/?page=2
"Meeting over the weekend, the House passed a bill to guarantee that all federal employees get paid for the shutdown — even those who have been on furlough. But they, like most employees still on the job, will have to wait until funding is returned to collect paychecks."
speedysst
10-07-2013, 18:29
"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. ...Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here'. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and Grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."
SENATOR BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, MARCH 2006
I have a tendency not to watch the news on weekends, but surprised this didn't make a bigger splash. So yeah, if the Senate passes this bill, it just means this whole thing has been a paid vacation. (I think we all knew this would happen anyway, but this is codifying it).
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/6/debt-fight-is-likely-to-escalate-shutdown-showdown/?page=2
"Meeting over the weekend, the House passed a bill to guarantee that all federal employees get paid for the shutdown — even those who have been on furlough. But they, like most employees still on the job, will have to wait until funding is returned to collect paychecks."
Did the story mention that the Democratic lead Senate will pass this same bill this week and President Obama has already indicated he will sign the bill into law. Retroactively paying federal employees for the furlough is, and always has been, a bipartisan issue. No one in Congress wants to penalize employees for the failures of Congress and the President. At least the DOD realized that if they are going to get paid anyway, why have the employees sitting at home. The whole notion of essential and non-essential is a futile attempt by some bureaucrat to justify positions and budgets. If an administrator admits that 90% of his employees are non-essential, what does that make him?
This is no longer a shutdown. 83% of federal employees are working, although there is no specific date on when we can expect to be paid. Congress needs to pass legislation that the President will sign which will authorize the expenditure of funds. If anything is shut down right now, it is purely a political move to cause anxiety and discomfort to voters. The President hopes that this discomfort will cause these voters to put pressure on the House Republicans.
Who will blink first? Who will control the legislative agenda for the next two years?
"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. ...Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here'. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and Grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."
SENATOR BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, MARCH 2006
Excellent quote. I'm guessing you won't see that in the Washington Post or the New York Times, much less on the CBS Evening News.
clublights
10-07-2013, 19:12
"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. ...Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here'. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and Grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."
SENATOR BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, MARCH 2006
That's goin on facebook RIGHT now...
speedysst
10-07-2013, 19:56
Ive seen it before but wanted to check the sources a bit before I quoted. Its actually two parts of a long speech. Oh, by the way, the Pres' favorite golf course at Andrews AFB is not shut down but the commissary where troops can buy food is.
Ive seen it before but wanted to check the sources a bit before I quoted. Its actually two parts of a long speech. Oh, by the way, the Pres' favorite golf course at Andrews AFB is not shut down but the commissary where troops can buy food is.
See, it is all about allocation of monies.
The troops who fight, bleed, and die for this great nation are second in line to a golf course for a fuckstain who has never done one goddamn thing for this country or anyone in it. [Mad]
Aloha_Shooter
10-07-2013, 20:15
Ive seen it before but wanted to check the sources a bit before I quoted. Its actually two parts of a long speech. Oh, by the way, the Pres' favorite golf course at Andrews AFB is not shut down but the commissary where troops can buy food is.
To be completely fair, the golf course is paid through non-appropriated funds (NAF) which means a stoppage in federal funds doesn't affect golf course operations. The commissary is run by DECA which has officials paid for through appropriated funds. A more appropriate analogy and complaint is that private inns and open air parks are being shuttered around the country and people being evicted from their homes because they sit on or are accessed through national park lands while the president can still go golfing despite its sitting on federal property.
To be completely fair, the golf course is paid through non-appropriated funds (NAF) which means a stoppage in federal funds doesn't affect golf course operations. The commissary is run by DECA which has officials paid for through appropriated funds. A more appropriate analogy and complaint is that private inns and open air parks are being shuttered around the country and people being evicted from their homes because they sit on or are accessed through national park lands while the president can still go golfing despite its sitting on federal property.
Thank you for the clarification.
Ok...this made MY blood boil..
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/10/08/government-gives-445-million-to-corporation-for-public-broadcasting-on-first/
LOS ANGELES – Funding for clinical cancer trials and other life-saving research under the National Institutes of Health was cut off in response to the government slimdown, but it looks like the cookie monster will still be knee-deep in chocolate chips (or is it carrots now?)
According to the Daily Treasury Statement (https://www.fms.treas.gov/fmsweb/viewDTSFiles?dir=w&fname=13100100.pdf)http://global.fncstatic.com/static/v/all/img/external-link.png and first reported byCNS News (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/after-shutdown-administration-gives-445000000-corporation-public)http://global.fncstatic.com/static/v/all/img/external-link.png, the administration dished out $445 million to the Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB) on the first day of the slimdown, which means funds for the likes of PBS Newshour, NPR and “Sesame Street” are being spent before cancer research.
“It’s more than irresponsible, it is reprehensible. It’s an ‘in-your-face’ move by the administration, blatantly picking winners and losers in this shutdown,” C. Edmund Wright, a columnist for Breitbart.com and American Thinker, told FOX411. “Public broadcasting is a staple of liberal propaganda.”
Ok...this made MY blood boil..
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/10/08/government-gives-445-million-to-corporation-for-public-broadcasting-on-first/
Seems pretty obvious now that everyone is gonna get paid eventually and this is all just BS. I doubt budgets are getting reduced by even 1/52 for the one week shutdown (so far).
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