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johngraves2
10-01-2013, 05:59
This is crazy, sounds like they were pissed cause he called the cops, then got even more mad after he was trying to escape them and ran over a few bikes, that would be scary stuff, one reason to be armed though.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/30/20759574-caught-on-video-father-with-family-in-suv-chased-beaten-by-speed-demon-bikers?lite

Great-Kazoo
10-01-2013, 06:03
Yo Johnny.

https://www.ar-15.co/threads/116639-Why-would-you-ever-need-more-than-15-rounds

def90
10-01-2013, 07:51
Yo Johnny.

https://www.ar-15.co/threads/116639-Why-would-you-ever-need-more-than-15-rounds

Well considering that the other thread doesn't say anything about the subject in the title I'd give him a pass. I didn't even read the other thread until you just linked to it here.

ruthabagah
10-01-2013, 08:00
I watched the video yesterday.... I think the Range rover guy is at fault. There is supposedly more to this video since a lot of the riders were wearing go pros and one or more guy filmed the beginning of the incident when the RR guy rolled down his window and told the group that he called the cops on them as they were passing him.... Yeah: really smart move! Then he clipped one bike... Even smarter move. Imagine your reaction if the same guy parked his RR in the middle of a shooting range, rolled down his window and told you he just called the cop on you because he does not like what you are doing (or worse: he called Bloomberg on you!)...

PSS
10-01-2013, 08:44
I watched the video yesterday.... I think the Range rover guy is at fault. There is supposedly more to this video since a lot of the riders were wearing go pros and one or more guy filmed the beginning of the incident when the RR guy rolled down his window and told the group that he called the cops on them as they were passing him.... Yeah: really smart move! Then he clipped one bike... Even smarter move. Imagine your reaction if the same guy parked his RR in the middle of a shooting range, rolled down his window and told you he just called the cop on you because he does not like what you are doing (or worse: he called Bloomberg on you!)...

Bad analogy. You aren't doing anything wrong or endangering anyone's life by shooting at a range. Riding quads and dirtbikes, stunting on the free way is illegal. Brake checking people is dangerous and stupid. Whether you like it or not when someone calls you out when you are a shithead is your problem. Those attention whores got what they deserved. It's pretty obvious to me that the guy panicked and was trying to flee when he ran over the genius that tried to block a Rover with a motorcycle. The sheer stupidity of the bikers prevents me from having an ounce of pity for them.

Bailey Guns
10-01-2013, 08:58
One of the motorcycle riders struck by Lien may be left a paraplegic, the report said.

“My son just got out of surgery. Now we have to contend with his situation that he will never walk again,” the injured man’s father, Rev. Edwin Mieses posted on Facebook, The Daily News reported.


Well, judging only by the video, your thug son was playing stupid games with stupid people in a stupid place. Maybe he shares some of the fault for what happened to him.

As of this point, one rider has been arrested and charged with several offenses. The report didn't say anything about the Rover driver being at fault or causing the incident. I'll lean towards the idea this was thug behavior at it's worst until more facts are available.

ruthabagah
10-01-2013, 08:59
Bad analogy. You aren't doing anything wrong or endangering anyone's life by shooting at a range. Riding quads and dirtbikes, stunting on the free way is illegal. Brake checking people is dangerous and stupid. Whether you like it or not when someone calls you out when you are a shithead is your problem. Those attention whores got what they deserved. It's pretty obvious to me that the guy panicked and was trying to flee when he ran over the genius that tried to block a Rover with a motorcycle. The sheer stupidity of the bikers prevents me from having an ounce of pity for them.

Didn't know you were a RR driver. I think it is a great analogy! See? it's all about "perspective". What you describe is vigilante justice and this is why people get killed.

How do you know these bikers where in any way performing stunts? no, you just assumed.... Are you a law officer and will you interfere with their right to face plant on the highway? Leave them alone.

Same thing with a bunch of AR 15 members shooting somewhere on some public land and not bothering anybody else. Because we are group, some vigilante will see us as some crazy white supremacist militia.... Perspective.

spqrzilla
10-01-2013, 09:03
ruthabagah, I'm looking forward to your explanation of just why the bike riders attacks were justified. Because from my viewing, they are all lucky that they aren't dead or paralysed.

muddywings
10-01-2013, 09:07
FYI-see other thread but the rider of the MC who cut off the range rover was just "charged with reckless endangerment, reckless driving, endangering the welfare of a child and menacing in the first of two harrowing confrontations Alexian Lien had with a pack of bikers when he and his family were out for a Sunday drive."

ruthabagah
10-01-2013, 09:11
ruthabagah, I'm looking forward to your explanation of just why the bike riders attacks were justified. Because from my viewing, they are all lucky that they aren't dead or paralysed.

How do you know they were not? What did the RR driver did to start the confrontation? Do we have enough information to make a determination as to who is guilty here?

Mrmegacool
10-01-2013, 09:29
Guilty by saying they called the police or not if you endanger my wife and kids ...itll be the last time...you dont endanger people cause they say they called the police..if we were on the range and someone said they called the police we wouldnt start shooting at them we would laugh and keep doing what we are doing after they move the rv or after the cops come and make them move the rv..Why? because what we are doing is legal so it doesnt matter . Bad analogy

ruthabagah
10-01-2013, 09:39
Guilty by saying they called the police or not if you endanger my wife and kids ...itll be the last time...you dont endanger people cause they say they called the police..if we were on the range and someone said they called the police we wouldnt start shooting at them we would laugh and keep doing what we are doing after they move the rv or after the cops come and make them move the rv..Why? because what we are doing is legal so it doesnt matter . Bad analogy

^^^ no point, rambling, RV?

Again: you ass u me that the Range Rover guy (RR) is not the jackass who provoked the bikers. Time will tell.

Mrmegacool
10-01-2013, 09:47
^^^ no point, rambling, RV?

Again: you ass u me that the Range Rover guy (RR) is not the jackass who provoked the bikers. Time will tell.

You know what i meant just like i knew what u meant when u said...you ass u me that the Range Rover guy...lol

kidicarus13
10-01-2013, 09:55
I watched the video yesterday.... I think the Range rover guy is at fault. There is supposedly more to this video since a lot of the riders were wearing go pros and one or more guy filmed the beginning of the incident when the RR guy rolled down his window and told the group that he called the cops on them as they were passing him.... Yeah: really smart move! Then he clipped one bike... Even smarter move. Imagine your reaction if the same guy parked his RR in the middle of a shooting range, rolled down his window and told you he just called the cop on you because he does not like what you are doing (or worse: he called Bloomberg on you!)...

Do people like you get called for jury duty? I am assuming very little until I watch 00:25-00:27 of the video. You're telling me it's your opinion that the motorcyclist did not intenationally try to slow down the RR while the other motorcycles sped ahead? Do you place targets up at the range without calling a cease fire and expect to not get shot? I know you ride a motorcycle but come on... a little less bias, a little more common sense.

Zundfolge
10-01-2013, 09:58
Again: you ass u me that the Range Rover guy (RR) is not the jackass who provoked the bikers. Time will tell.

NYPD is generally overzealous when it comes to charging victims of crime with crimes themselves (especially if they engage in any form of self defense). The fact that they NYPD is NOT charging the Range Rover guy says to me that he was likely 110% in the right. If there was even a 1% chance that he was even partially at fault for this mess and the NYPD would have charged him.

If honking at miscreants that are putting themselves and you in danger is "provocation" than we need to outlaw horns.


Do people like you get called for jury duty?
*shudder*

Mrmegacool
10-01-2013, 10:00
NYPD is generally overzealous when it comes to charging victims of crime with crimes themselves (especially if they engage in any form of self defense). The fact that they NYPD is NOT charging the Range Rover guy says to me that he was likely 110% in the right. If there was even a 1% chance that he was even partially at fault for this mess and the NYPD would have charged him.

If honking at miscreants that are putting themselves and you in danger is "provocation" than we need to outlaw horns.

+1[UZI]


*shudder*

PSS
10-01-2013, 10:01
Didn't know you were a RR driver. I think it is a great analogy! See? it's all about "perspective". What you describe is vigilante justice and this is why people get killed.

How do you know these bikers where in any way performing stunts? no, you just assumed.... Are you a law officer and will you interfere with their right to face plant on the highway? Leave them alone.

Same thing with a bunch of AR 15 members shooting somewhere on some public land and not bothering anybody else. Because we are group, some vigilante will see us as some crazy white supremacist militia.... Perspective.

Hmmm.. Let's see, in the news article linked above


The six-minute pursuit on Sunday — which was captured on video and posted on YouTube — began when the driver of a black Range Rover called 911 to report erratic bikers taking part in an unauthorized rally dubbed Hollywood Stuntz, police told NBC New York (http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Motorcycle-Gang-Attack-Dad-Toddler-Range-Rover-Manhattan-225817761.html)

Yup. Stunting. First you question whether they are riding dangerously when a rally by the name "hollywood stuntz" is in full swing. Then you're like, even if they are it's their god given right to kill themselves acting like asses. Not on a public road. I couldn't care less if some fool with too much hp between his legs rubs his face off on the pavement. If I see someone on the road driving erratically (either by choice or by alcohol,drugs) endangering other people, I see it as my duty to call it in. I don't suffer fools gladly.
You got an account you would like to share from the riders? Or are you assuming a rally consisting of ATV's, dirtbikes, and sport bikes were just happily commuting along to work? I made my opinion based on the news, derived from police reports, witnesses, ect. Not because I drive a RR. Which I don't. My wife has an XL7 car and I ride a Vulcan 800 as my only vehicle. You appear to sympathize with fools so should I assume you ride like a dipstick on public roads endangering the public? Check yourself. I ain't got nothing against you personally, just don't get pissed just because people refuse to put up with this shit.

If the driver of the car had started running bikes over randomly because he disliked crotch rockets, then yeah fuck him. Doesn't appear to be the case here. Set yourself apart from society, threaten their safety, attack a family as a group, then don't expect society to lovingly embrace you. Simple.

Mrmegacool
10-01-2013, 10:05
Hmmm.. Let's see, in the news article linked above



Yup. Stunting. First you question whether they are riding dangerously when a rally by the name "hollywood stuntz" is in full swing. Then you're like, even if they are it's their god given right to kill themselves acting like asses. Not on a public road. I couldn't care less if some fool with too much hp between his legs rubs his face off on the pavement. If I see someone on the road driving erratically (either by choice or by alcohol,drugs) endangering other people, I see it as my duty to call it in. I don't suffer fools gladly.
You got an account you would like to share from the riders? Or are you assuming a rally consisting of ATV's, dirtbikes, and sport bikes were just happily commuting along to work? I made my opinion based on the news, derived from police reports, witnesses, ect. Not because I drive a RR. Which I don't. My wife has an XL7 car and I ride a Vulcan 800 as my only vehicle. You appear to sympathize with fools so should I assume you ride like a dipstick on public roads endangering the public? Check yourself. I ain't got nothing against you personally, just don't get pissed just because people refuse to put up with this shit.

If the driver of the car had started running bikes over randomly because he disliked crotch rockets, then yeah fuck him. Doesn't appear to be the case here. Set yourself apart from society, threaten their safety, attack a family as a group, then don't expect society to lovingly embrace you. Simple.

+2[UZI]

Jmetz
10-01-2013, 10:13
More video of these fine upstanding citizens.


http://youtu.be/XLIFpSpVP1w


http://youtu.be/0ujSkztMRrs

DavieD55
10-01-2013, 10:14
There is a protocol in place to handle such claims of an a$@h--- in a Range Rover but once you chase him down and corner him he is justified in turning the tables your ass.

Mrmegacool
10-01-2013, 10:33
More video of these fine upstanding citizens.


http://youtu.be/XLIFpSpVP1w


http://youtu.be/0ujSkztMRrs


No regard for the law or other people...Riding down the wrong side of the street ...punching rearview mirrors off ..blocking traffic...running red lights....How can anyone defend this..

Irving
10-01-2013, 10:38
Guys, don't let the actions of many reflect on the many? Haha.

th3w01f
10-01-2013, 10:39
No regard for the law or other people...Riding down the wrong side of the street ...punching rearview mirrors off ..blocking traffic...running red lights....How can anyone defend this..
Obviously everyone else's fault. Can you believe that guy was trying to turn left with a green light. He's lucky they didn't pull him out of the vehicle and beat him.

Mrmegacool
10-01-2013, 10:41
Guys, don't let the actions of many reflect on the many? Haha.

Lol..im not just the ones i see..

Mrmegacool
10-01-2013, 10:42
Obviously everyone else's fault. Can you believe that guy was trying to turn left with a green light. He's lucky they didn't pull him out of the vehicle and beat him.

I know right!...lol

Colorado_Outback
10-01-2013, 10:50
Yup. Stunting.

Watch the second video posted above. Then, pull your head out of your ass.

kidicarus13
10-01-2013, 10:53
The second video is a great example of a roving gang with a mob mentality in good economic times (considering they're riding motorized vehicles). When a similar style gang comes looking for your food caches and items of value because their gov't checks are no longer being printed, I'd suggest you have more than a box of 50rds of ammo handy.

funkymonkey1111
10-01-2013, 10:54
No regard for the law or other people...Riding down the wrong side of the street ...punching rearview mirrors off ..blocking traffic...running red lights....How can anyone defend this..

ruthabagah apparently can, since he believes the range rover driver is at fault.

PSS
10-01-2013, 10:57
No regard for the law or other people...Riding down the wrong side of the street ...punching rearview mirrors off ..blocking traffic...running red lights....How can anyone defend this..





. If you act like a thug, don't get pissed off when you die like one.

Best comment on youtube.

ruthabagah
10-01-2013, 11:02
ruthabagah apparently can, since he believes the range rover driver is at fault.

With what you know, prove me he is not.... Just go ahead.

And yes, kidicarus, I have been called as a juror, and I did pay attention to the evidence that were presented to me and I gave the douche the benefit of the doubt until there was no doubt he was guilty.

th3w01f
10-01-2013, 11:07
With what you know, prove me he is not.... Just go ahead.


I think it's pretty obvious right there in the video. Unless the guy in the RR just snatched a child off the street there is no justification for them attempting to stop the RR regardless of what he did before the video was being recorded. If you witness an accident, even a serious one it's not your job to force the offending vehicle off the road and take matters into your own hands.

davsel
10-01-2013, 11:14
According to the reports so far, the RR driver was not cited for any violations. At least one of the douche bags was cited - directly related to the first RR incident.
Sounds pretty cut and dry to me.

ruthabagah
10-01-2013, 11:21
I think it's pretty obvious right there in the video. Unless the guy in the RR just snatched a child off the street there is no justification for them attempting to stop the RR regardless of what he did before the video was being recorded. If you witness an accident, even a serious one it's not your job to force the offending vehicle off the road and take matters into your own hands.

I fully agree that the crowd reaction is violent to say the least. But it's a crowd, what do you expect? Still: what do we know about what triggered the incident? The police report says the RR driver rear ended a bike. How did this happen? who was at fault? Did he flee the scene of the accident because of a rowdy crowd?

Zundfolge
10-01-2013, 11:25
The police report says the RR driver rear ended a bike. How did this happen? who was at fault? Did he flee the scene of the accident because of a rowdy crowd?

Its clear from the video that the bike that was rear ended brake checked the RR from about 2 foot off his front bumper.

Mrmegacool
10-01-2013, 11:35
I fully agree that the crowd reaction is violent to say the least. But it's a crowd, what do you expect? Still: what do we know about what triggered the incident? The police report says the RR driver rear ended a bike. How did this happen? who was at fault? Did he flee the scene of the accident because of a rowdy crowd?

The very first video that was posted showed a bike pull in front of the (RR) and stop remember? and the (RR) rear ended him..Thats how it happened..The biker was at fault when he jumped in front of them and hit brakes to stop em..lol..What dont you see?..You cant be serious man..I ride bikes too..But i dont go stopping families in their cars cause they dont like what im doing...Then you said its a crowd what do we expect..Seriously? ..Well we expect them to have a good time riding their bikes without harassing people or doing damage to other peoples vehicles , we expect them to stop at red lights and drive on the correct side of the road..You have got to be at least 14 years old to talk like that man... Any Law abiding grown man with a family would never say ..Its a crowd what do you expect?..A mind is a terrible thing to waste...dont get caught up in the excitement of their rally and be ignorant to whats right is right and whats wrong is wrong..This is black and white so far..

Mrmegacool
10-01-2013, 11:38
I fully agree that the crowd reaction is violent to say the least. But it's a crowd, what do you expect? Still: what do we know about what triggered the incident? The police report says the RR driver rear ended a bike. How did this happen? who was at fault? Did he flee the scene of the accident because of a rowdy crowd?

Its really some people in this thread that are telling you some good points..dont be a hothead ..Listen..

PSS
10-01-2013, 11:41
I fully agree that the crowd reaction is violent to say the least. But it's a crowd, what do you expect?

Really??? What kind of crowd do you run with? Judging by all the videos the bikers were aggressive before any altercation happened.


Still: what do we know about what triggered the incident? The police report says the RR driver rear ended a bike. How did this happen? who was at fault?

Granted I don't know what would possess a biker to attempt to force a SUV to stop in a middle lane on an interstate. I'm sure that idiot is lying in that hospitable bed wondering why the hell he did that himself. No good answer for that. If you don't know how that happened you must have not watched the start of the video. The biker applied the brakes to his bike which slowed the bike to a speed that was less than the suv. That's how it happened. Video evidence would lead me to believe that that fault belongs to biker.



Did he flee the scene of the accident because of a rowdy crowd?

He fled the scene because according to the NYPD..

The video shows the motorcycles converged on the 33-year-old man's vehicle on the West Side Highway in Harlem, and he apparently clipped a bike that cut closely in front of him.
The motorcycle rider suffered a broken leg, Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said. Some of the other bikers then surrounded the SUV.
"They take their helmets and start to dent his car, and apparently his tires are slashed there with a knife," Kelly said.
The video, shot with a helmet-mounted camera, shows the driver then took off, knocking down more bikes as others tore up the highway after him.

It appears that you identify with the bikers. Don't let that cloud your judgement.

brutal
10-01-2013, 11:47
I want to see a Top Gear test of all high end AWD SUV and how well they are able to traverse a pile of idiot motorcyclists and their rides.

(No offense to non-idiot motorcyclists) I have my endorsement but haven't ridden in years.

ruthabagah
10-01-2013, 11:47
The very first video that was posted showed a bike pull in front of the (RR) and stop remember? and the (RR) rear ended him..Thats how it happened..The biker was at fault when he jumped in front of them and hit brakes to stop em..lol..What dont you see?..You cant be serious man..I ride bikes too..But i dont go stopping families in their cars cause they dont like what im doing...Then you said its a crowd what do we expect..Seriously? ..Well we expect them to have a good time riding their bikes without harassing people or doing damage to other peoples vehicles , we expect them to stop at red lights and drive on the correct side of the road..You have got to be at least 14 years old to talk like that man... Any Law abiding grown man with a family would never say ..Its a crowd what do you expect?..A mind is a terrible thing to waste...dont get caught up in the excitement of their rally and be ignorant to whats right is right and whats wrong is wrong..This is black and white so far..

oh my.... You went full retard on this one.

Then lets circle back to my original post: are you a vigilante? are you going to force a crowd of 30+ bikers to respect the law with your big Tonka truck with your wife and 2 year old? If you are half the fool I think you are, after you shoot one of them, you'll be the one in jail.
I am not judging anybody here (except you), I am just playing devils advocate, because this is not a black and white situation.

Mrmegacool
10-01-2013, 11:50
oh my.... You went full retard on this one.

Then lets circle back to my original post: are you a vigilante? are you going to force a crowd of 30+ bikers to respect the law with your big Tonka truck with your wife and 2 year old? If you are half the fool I think you are, after you shoot one of them, you'll be the one in jail.
I am not judging anybody here (except you), I am just playing devils advocate, because this is not a black and white situation.

My My ...debating is not your strong point i see..deflection is!

PugnacAutMortem
10-01-2013, 11:51
oh my.... You went full retard on this one.

Then lets circle back to my original post: are you a vigilante? are you going to force a crowd of 30+ bikers to respect the law with your big Tonka truck with your wife and 2 year old? If you are half the fool I think you are, after you shoot one of them, you'll be the one in jail.
I am not judging anybody here (except you), I am just playing devils advocate, because this is not a black and white situation.

So let me get this straight...you are saying in front of God and everybody...that since the RR driver intiated the conflict, the actions of the bikers from there after is acceptable...possibly even what you would do in the same situation?

BushMasterBoy
10-01-2013, 11:51
I think when they drag you from your vehicle and you shoot one, it is justifiable. That's most likely what I would do. Name calling doesn't help the forum image either.

Irving
10-01-2013, 11:51
What's your screen name on Hollywood Stuntz ruthabaga?

DavieD55
10-01-2013, 11:52
oh my.... You went full retard on this one.

Then lets circle back to my original post: are you a vigilante? are you going to force a crowd of 30+ bikers to respect the law with your big Tonka truck with your wife and 2 year old? If you are half the fool I think you are, after you shoot one of them, you'll be the one in jail.
I am not judging anybody here (except you), I am just playing devils advocate, because this is not a black and white situation.


How would you have handled the situation differently?

davsel
10-01-2013, 11:53
At least one of the douche bags won't be terrorizing the streets again any time soon.
http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2013/10/alexian-lien-victim-jeremiah-mieses-coma-will-never-walk/ (http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2013/10/alexian-lien-victim-jeremiah-mieses-coma-will-never-walk/)

Mrmegacool
10-01-2013, 11:53
oh my.... You went full retard on this one.

Then lets circle back to my original post: are you a vigilante? are you going to force a crowd of 30+ bikers to respect the law with your big Tonka truck with your wife and 2 year old? If you are half the fool I think you are, after you shoot one of them, you'll be the one in jail.
I am not judging anybody here (except you), I am just playing devils advocate, because this is not a black and white situation.

So if it was you and your wife and your kid..what would you have done at the point to where you got stopped in the middle of the highway by a gang of bikers..? i cant wait to hear this..lol..sounds more like your defending them than playing devils advocate..Where you there?

Mrmegacool
10-01-2013, 11:58
What's your screen name on Hollywood Stuntz ruthabaga?

He has to have one..lol

bellavite1
10-01-2013, 11:59
Too many drive their cars like drones or assholes.
Here's what I have an issue with:
Have you ever put the blinker on to change lane and as soon as you put it on the cars behind you hits the gas trying to keep you from getting in front of them?
God forbid you should end up "stealing" their place in traffic, never mind if they can cause an accident!
I just can't get it: even in Italy, where people drive admittedly wildly, if you put the blinker (rare event, granted) I will make room so you can merge.
But not here.
Now put yourself on two wheels rather than four.
In NY.
My judgment here tells me it was an attempted hit and run.
It happened to me in Rome.
My biker friends stopped the asshole that was trying to drive away while I was lying down in an intersection, trying to figure out wether I could still move my legs.
The driver could have got away with a couple of well deserved slaps, but he let it escalate.
Yeah, I have been on two wheels for the last 30 years, I identify with bikers.

ruthabagah
10-01-2013, 12:04
So if it was you and your wife and your kid..what would you have done at the point to where you got stopped in the middle of the highway by a gang of bikers..? i cant wait to hear this..lol..sounds more like your defending them than playing devils advocate..Where you there?

you are missing the point: what would you do, if you saw a group of biker pass you at high speed on the highway? even if one of them slow down in front of you (was he controlling traffic for the group)? hit them? pull you gun and start shooting? honk? piss them off? or just slow down or stop, lock your door, call the cops, un-holster your carry (that's NY, no luck here...) ... So basically CONTROL THE SITUATION AND PROTECT YOUR FAMILY!

10mm-man
10-01-2013, 12:07
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Mrmegacool
10-01-2013, 12:13
you are missing the point: what would you do, if you saw a group of biker pass you at high speed on the highway? even if one of them slow down in front of you (was he controlling traffic for the group)? hit them? pull you gun and start shooting? honk? piss them off? or just slow down or stop, lock your door, call the cops, un-holster your carry (that's NY, no luck here...) ... So basically CONTROL THE SITUATION AND PROTECT YOUR FAMILY!

Dude im in Colorado it has happen to me ..but none of them got off their bikes and tried to assault me..your missing the point...the guy in the RR didnt hit the guy on purpose at first the guy jumped in front of him to intentionally slow him down on the highway he couldnt stopquick enough to not bump the biker it was the bikers fault. and then the suv came to a complete stop he didnt run anyone over until they started trying to get him..because he bumped a biker....once they started comin at him pulling on the door trying to get him then he ran over em..You still didnt answer what would you have done?

PugnacAutMortem
10-01-2013, 12:18
You still didnt answer what would you have done?

He wont answer because his answer will either make him look as bad as these bikers or it will defeat his argument.

Mrmegacool
10-01-2013, 12:19
He wont answer because his answer will either make him look as bad as these bikers or it will defeat his argument.

True[UZI]

Irving
10-01-2013, 12:23
There are 30 participants in the video and the Range Rover driver is the only one held responsible for his actions?

ChunkyMonkey
10-01-2013, 12:24
There are 30 participants in the video and the Range Rover driver is the only one held responsible for his actions?

YES, because he is Asian! and we know how Asian drives, dont we?

ruthabagah
10-01-2013, 12:24
Dude im in Colorado it has happen to me ..but none of them got off their bikes and tried to assault me..your missing the point...the guy in the RR didnt hit the guy on purpose at first the guy jumped in front of him to intentionally slow him down on the highway he couldnt stopquick enough to not bump the biker it was the bikers fault. and then the suv came to a complete stop he didnt run anyone over until they started trying to get him..because he bumped a biker....once they started comin at him pulling on the door trying to get him then he ran over em..You still didnt answer what would you have done?

That's a nice story you made up right there! where you in NY where it happened? how can you infer all of this without any evidence? you are like me, you just don't know how it started, but I choose to give the bikers the benefit of the doubt as to who started it which is NOT an excuse for the action of the crowd.

Wanna know how I would have handled it? the same way i did handle the few road rage incident I have been involved in: Diffuse, control and protect my family.
I learned this while dealing with crowds and Serbian in Bosnia in 92'.

PugnacAutMortem
10-01-2013, 12:35
Wanna know how I would have handled it? the same way i did handle the few road rage incident I have been involved in: Diffuse, control and protect my family. I learned this while dealing with crowds and Serbian in Bosnia in 92'.

Ok that's all well and good...what if you were one of the bikers? Since you are defending their actions so vociferously (man I love that word) then you clearly approve of their actions, am I right?

Mrmegacool
10-01-2013, 12:43
That's a nice story you made up right there! where you in NY where it happened? how can you infer all of this without any evidence? you are like me, you just don't know how it started, but I choose to give the bikers the benefit of the doubt as to who started it which is NOT an excuse for the action of the crowd.

Wanna know how I would have handled it? the same way i did handle the few road rage incident I have been involved in: Diffuse, control and protect my family.
I learned this while dealing with crowds and Serbian in Bosnia in 92'.

How do you know that the suv driver didnt try the same tactic and the bikers wouldnt hear it? how would you have diffused the situation with them already coming at you..Once you hit the bike its a done deal....Looks like you are left with the 2 other things you learned in Bosnia..control and protect your family..but you told me earlier that wasnt smart(are you a vigilante? are you going to force a crowd of 30+ bikers to respect the law with your big Tonka truck with your wife and 2 year old? If you are half the fool I think you are)...30 bikes around you ..3 different guys coming at your car from both sides..I dont see you diffusing anything..Or maybe its just me...teach me something..

ruthabagah
10-01-2013, 12:49
.Or maybe its just me...teach me something..

there is no hope there, sorry.

ThunderSquirrel
10-01-2013, 12:51
You're seriously defending the actions of a metric shit ton of thugs, who have no regard for safety of others, laws, etc?
Fuck'em, should have ran over more.

ruthabagah
10-01-2013, 12:53
Ok that's all well and good...what if you were one of the bikers? Since you are defending their actions so vociferously (man I love that word) then you clearly approve of their actions, am I right?

How do you infer I approve of their action? I was one of the biker and witnessed road rage coming from the RR guy, i would have done the same thing I wrote earlier: Too late to diffuse, then remediation (help the biker on the ground), Control (what's the RR license plate, call the cops).

Mrmegacool
10-01-2013, 12:53
You're seriously defending the actions of a metric shit ton of thugs, who have no regard for safety of others, laws, etc?
Fuck'em, should have ran over more.

+1[AR15]

ruthabagah
10-01-2013, 12:58
You're seriously defending the actions of a metric shit ton of thugs, who have no regard for safety of others, laws, etc?
Fuck'em, should have ran over more.

Where did I do this again? oh, you mean, when I gave the biker the benefit of the doubt as to who started it? so, that, for you is defense?

kidicarus13
10-01-2013, 13:03
At least one of the douche bags won't be terrorizing the streets again any time soon.
http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2013/10/alexian-lien-victim-jeremiah-mieses-coma-will-never-walk/ (http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2013/10/alexian-lien-victim-jeremiah-mieses-coma-will-never-walk/)


It may be a bit immature but I found one poster's comment kind of funny... "If he took his family, education & future as seriously as his thug life bedroom hat collection he’d be at home with you right now."

generalmeow
10-01-2013, 13:09
It may be a bit immature but I found one poster's comment kind of funny... "If he took his family, education & future as seriously as his thug life bedroom hat collection he’d be at home with you right now."

That is good.

BushMasterBoy
10-01-2013, 13:19
Now I see why Police Departments need MRAPs. I can imagine what NYC would be like without rule of law...

ChunkyMonkey
10-01-2013, 13:19
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Justice-For-Jay-Meezee/411664345601619

no sympathy here.

hatidua
10-01-2013, 13:29
Have you ever put the blinker on to change lane and as soon as you put it on the cars behind you hits the gas trying to keep you from getting in front of them?

I'm fairly certain that's referred to as "Boulder driving". If this town didn't invent it, it sure has perfected it [Mad]

Zundfolge
10-01-2013, 13:33
Where did I do this again? oh, you mean, when I gave the biker the benefit of the doubt as to who started it? so, that, for you is defense?

Translation: ruthabagah has painted himself into a corner and refuses to accept that fact.

Fine, you gave the benefit of the doubt but much much more information has come to light about this case since then and it dashes that benefit of doubt to pieces. Bikers were asshats, Range Rover driver was in the right and acted prudently and other than the mistake of getting off the freeway until he saw police did nothing wrong.

th3w01f
10-01-2013, 13:34
Trying out the new Mellow Mushroom in Lone Tree and my wife and I were having a very quiet conversation about this. The manager (blonde guy with a goatee) who was standing by our table jumped into our conversation to say that his friend was one of the riders and that they were justified in attacking the guy in the RR.

This lead to a brief argument bud I dropped it since I'm here with my wife and kids. I don't think we'll be back to this restaurant.

roberth
10-01-2013, 13:40
Trying out the new Mellow Mushroom in Loan Tree and my wife and I were having a very quiet conversation about this. The manager (blonde guy with a goatee) who was standing by our table jumped into our conversation to say that his friend was one of the riders and that they were justified in attacking the guy in the RR.

This lead to a brief argument bud I dropped it since I'm here with my wife and kids. I don't think we'll be back to this restaurant.

Report that manager to the owner, I bet he'll be an ex-manager.

hatidua
10-01-2013, 13:44
Report that manager to the owner

Sooner, not later.

Bailey Guns
10-01-2013, 13:58
Translation: ruthabagah has painted himself into a corner and refuses to accept that fact.


Exactly. It's pretty amusing now. I actually wanna see how far he'll take it.

O2HeN2
10-01-2013, 14:00
I know it’s not Colorado, but here’s what Colorado law would have to say if the SUV driver started shooting:

Doesn’t matter how it started, the SUV tried to break off the encounter by driving away (several times - thank you video) and therefore is no longer the initial aggressor. The bikes pursue, thereby becoming the initial aggressor(s). A biker put the SUV driver in fear for his life (and his wife and child – make no mistake of the power of that in court) by breaking the window. At this point the SUV driver would be fully justified to shoot in self-defense.

I believe that someone earlier on in the note said as a biker he’d start shooting back at the SUV in self-defense. The problem is that the video clearly establishes the bikers as the initial aggressors. You’d go to jail because if you were still there at the end you were just one of the mob pursuing the SUV and as an initial aggressor (at this point) can make no claim to self-defense.

Lessons to be learned - if you're wronged, phone it in. Follow if you dare, but don't approach. Wait for the police. Lastly, if you're part of a mob that starts getting ugly, leave.

O2

Mrmegacool
10-01-2013, 14:15
I know it’s not Colorado, but here’s what Colorado law would have to say if the SUV driver started shooting:

Doesn’t matter how it started, the SUV tried to break off the encounter by driving away (several times - thank you video) and therefore is no longer the initial aggressor. The bikes pursue, thereby becoming the initial aggressor(s). A biker put the SUV driver in fear for his life (and his wife and child – make no mistake of the power of that in court) by breaking the window. At this point the SUV driver would be fully justified to shoot in self-defense.

Yessir!

I believe that someone earlier on in the note said as a biker he’d start shooting back at the SUV in self-defense. The problem is that the video clearly establishes the bikers as the initial aggressors. You’d go to jail because if you were still there at the end you were just one of the mob pursuing the SUV and as an initial aggressor (at this point) can make no claim to self-defense.

Lessons to be learned - if you're wronged, phone it in. Follow if you dare, but don't approach. Wait for the police. Lastly, if you're part of a mob that starts getting ugly, leave.

O2

johngraves2
10-01-2013, 14:17
Yo Johnny.

https://www.ar-15.co/threads/116639-Why-would-you-ever-need-more-than-15-rounds

My bad. i looked before i posted but was in a hurry before i left for work. I will look harder next time.

ruthabagah
10-01-2013, 14:18
Translation: ruthabagah has painted himself into a corner and refuses to accept that fact.

Fine, you gave the benefit of the doubt but much much more information has come to light about this case since then and it dashes that benefit of doubt to pieces. Bikers were asshats, Range Rover driver was in the right and acted prudently and other than the mistake of getting off the freeway until he saw police did nothing wrong.

You see, in this corner there is soapbox, and I am standing on it to clearly state what I have been stating all along: we do not have the full picture. Who started it? Why was RR guy chased like that? There is no fact for me to accept, until the clear evidences are presented.

I guess we will let justice follow due process and see what happen.

johngraves2
10-01-2013, 14:25
The second video is a great example of a roving gang with a mob mentality in good economic times (considering they're riding motorized vehicles). When a similar style gang comes looking for your food caches and items of value because their gov't checks are no longer being printed, I'd suggest you have more than a box of 50rds of ammo handy.

I agree totally with this. when it is really life or death what would a mob mentality be?

ThunderSquirrel
10-01-2013, 14:27
Who started it?


I'm going to have to go out on a limb here, and say that the Horde of Asshats that showed no regard for the law, were most likely the ones who also instigated the issue.

It mobs mentality. They figured that since their numbers were large enough, they could do what they wanted and suffer no repercussions. One Thug Life All-Star learned the hard way.

Its been said here many, many times. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

davsel
10-01-2013, 14:33
It appears that the black Range Rover itself is the problem - MC Magnet.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cworh921ljU

spqrzilla
10-01-2013, 14:37
There sure are some people very confused in this thread. The motorcycle gang had no right to pursue the SUV and attack the driver regardless of earlier events. And already members of the gang are being arrested reportedly.

ruthabagah
10-01-2013, 14:38
It appears that the black Range Rover itself is the problem - MC Magnet.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cworh921ljU

Meanwhile in Russia.... Ouch.

Bailey Guns
10-01-2013, 15:33
When a similar style gang comes looking for your food caches and items of value because their gov't checks are no longer being printed, I'd suggest you have more than a box of 50rds of ammo handy.

Crap...I only have 15 rounds. You know...since that's a safe number and all.

Bailey Guns
10-01-2013, 15:37
It appears that the black Range Rover itself is the problem - MC Magnet.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cworh921ljU

[Score]

The approach and takeoff were dynamic, he held beautiful form through the triple somersault and really stuck the landing! The Bailey judge gives this rider:

8.5

Great-Kazoo
10-01-2013, 15:42
[Score]

The approach and takeoff were dynamic, he held beautiful form through the triple somersault and really stuck the landing! The Bailey judge gives this rider:

8.5

Gonna have to disagree with Judge #1. As the rider takes flight there is clear indication said rider failed to keep their legs together. Thus a sloppy landing occurred. I will give him 9 on the dismount.

Hound
10-01-2013, 15:45
I ride a bike like those in the video. I have talked to a bunch of my bike riding friends..... General consensus is that both sides went full retard. Nobody in that video is "right". It is just one 'wrong' added to by another.... Repeat. They should all spend a few days in jail.

PugnacAutMortem
10-01-2013, 16:10
I ride a bike like those in the video. I have talked to a bunch of my bike riding friends..... General consensus is that both sides went full retard. Nobody in that video is "right". It is just one 'wrong' added to by another.... Repeat. They should all spend a few days in jail.

General consensus of a homogeneous sample does not make it a true statement. It just demonstrates that a bunch of people who think exactly the same agree with each other.

Bailey Guns
10-01-2013, 16:58
NYPD doesn't seem to think the Rover driver went "full retard". And I agree. The video certainly doesn't support that "consensus".

And a couple of guys drug the driver out of the Rover and attacked him with a knife...they should spend a "few days in jail"?

hatidua
10-01-2013, 16:58
I have talked to a bunch of my bike riding friends..... General consensus is

General consensus would have included talking with an equal number of Range Rover owners who had previously been surrounded by 75 agitated bikers to acquire their input as well.

Hound
10-01-2013, 17:02
General consensus of a homogeneous sample does not make it a true statement. It just demonstrates that a bunch of people who think exactly the same agree with each other.

Wow, start fights often? I was saying that a group of us bike riders think both sides are at fault. That seems a pretty moderate statement... But you go ahead and try to spin it..... There are no "true statements" on here. None of us were there. We are all just giving our opinions about it. Unless you think you have the truth.

bogie
10-01-2013, 17:14
I own and shoot an AK-47. Therefore, every time I see a video showing a pack of taliban shooting their AK-47s (at whoever), I will come to their defense.

Hound
10-01-2013, 17:16
I own and shoot an AK-47. Therefore, every time I see a video showing a pack of taliban shooting their AK-47s (at whoever), I will come to their defense.

Now that my friend...thats funny[ROFL3]

JM Ver. 2.0
10-01-2013, 17:22
I own and shoot an AK-47. Therefore, every time I see a video showing a pack of taliban shooting their AK-47s (at whoever), I will come to their defense.

Bah hahahhaha.

Sent from my teepee using smoke signals.

spqrzilla
10-01-2013, 17:59
I wasn't assigning "fault". I was marking out targets. The criminal bike yahoos were all all valid targets.

hatidua
10-01-2013, 18:04
Suffice it to say, the biker's who tried to Reginald Denny the driver of the Range Rover got lucky: things could have gone far worse for them.

blacklabel
10-01-2013, 18:09
Suffice it to say, the biker's who tried to Reginald Denny the driver of the Range Rover got lucky: things could have gone far worse for them.

The driver was at the command of a hell of a weapon.

O2HeN2
10-01-2013, 18:29
Here's another way to think about it: Due to their maneuverability the bikers held all the de-escalation cards. No matter how things started, because the bikers wouldn't let the RR driver get away they assumed all blame for what finally transpired.

O2

theGinsue
10-01-2013, 18:30
NYPD doesn't seem to think the Rover driver went "full retard". And I agree. The video certainly doesn't support that "consensus".

And a couple of guys drug the driver out of the Rover and attacked him with a knife...they should spend a "few days in jail"?

Apparently NY is considering charges against the Range Rover drvet for leaving the scene of he initial "accident". They say he should have waited for police to arrive. Their take is had he stayed put, he wouldn't have run over one of the [criminal] riders which resulted in major injures including paralysis from the waist down with his back broken in 2 places.

My take is that the rider who got run over should have picked better friends to associate with & shouldn't have parked his ass in front of a vehicle his friends decided at violently attack. Additionally, I think that the Range Rover driver knew he was severely outnumbered by a demonstratedly violent group of individuals. He had no idea how far they were willing to take things & he had his wife and child to protect. Wait for the police to arrive? For how long? It's possible when the police fially arrived they would have found a slaughtered family.

Hound, both groups went fill retard? The bikers were just lucky the Range Rover driver didn't go full Mad Max as I expect I likely would have done. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes -- of course, there's no guarantee that the person awardng the prizes isn't going to get a little backlash. In my case, I'll take that risk as I have better odds doing that than just praying the pack mentality of a group like that knows not to go "too far".

Mrmegacool
10-01-2013, 18:39
General consensus of a homogeneous sample does not make it a true statement. It just demonstrates that a bunch of people who think exactly the same agree with each other.

true

Mrmegacool
10-01-2013, 18:41
Now that my friend...thats funny[ROFL3]

That was funny..

BushMasterBoy
10-01-2013, 19:41
It would be way funnier if the "bikers" had done this to Obamas motorcade...I wanna see that Suburban with the mini gun open fire! After all they are Obamas sons...

Clint45
10-01-2013, 21:22
More video of these fine upstanding citizens.


http://youtu.be/0ujSkztMRrs

That video is from 2011, but is the same event and probably a lot of the same guys. There are several versions of the chase video posted online. The first one I saw had the brake checking incident edited out, as well as the RR driver yelling out his window, so it was unclear who was at fault. Looked like he just clipped a motorcycle, braked for a few moments, then bulldozed through everyone. Did not see anyone attacking or approaching his vehicle until the first time he stopped in traffic. Did not look like his tires were flat either. Lots of conflicting versions of what happened. Does not seem like a very well organized event and most of the riders were not wearing club patches and may not have even known one another, appears to be some unapproved "rally" organized through social networking sites. Unlikely most of the riders even knew what was going on with the SUV other than it was an apparent felony hit & run. They seem like a bunch of squids from the 2011 video. I heard that prior to the brake checking incident he may've tried to sideswipe a couple of bikes or force them off the road. Don't know if that is true or not. Also heard that about 50 bikes were impounded. Lots of rumors and speculation.

Irving
10-01-2013, 22:05
My take is that the rider who got run over should have picked better friends to associate with & shouldn't have parked his ass in front of a vehicle his friends decided at violently attack.

Makes me think of the people with the attitude (as a pedestrian) of, "I've got the right of way. Hit me and I'll sue your ass off!" I don't know how many times I've heard people say something similar, but I always remember how stupid I think the person speaking must be to think that way. I have to wonder which option the paralyzed guy would take in hind sight. Sue from a wheel chair, or live the rest of his life normally?

Stevensje
10-01-2013, 22:30
This wouldn't of happened if Range rovers, Horns, and Motorcycles where banned. (Yea Sarcasm) Things can get out of hand quickly, surprisingly no one died.

Aloha_Shooter
10-01-2013, 22:47
Apparently NY is considering charges against the Range Rover drvet for leaving the scene of he initial "accident". They say he should have waited for police to arrive. Their take is had he stayed put, he wouldn't have run over one of the [criminal] riders which resulted in major injures including paralysis from the waist down with his back broken in 2 places.

My take is that the rider who got run over should have picked better friends to associate with & shouldn't have parked his ass in front of a vehicle his friends decided at violently attack. Additionally, I think that the Range Rover driver knew he was severely outnumbered by a demonstratedly violent group of individuals. He had no idea how far they were willing to take things & he had his wife and child to protect. Wait for the police to arrive? For how long? It's possible when the police fially arrived they would have found a slaughtered family.

Hound, both groups went fill retard? The bikers were just lucky the Range Rover driver didn't go full Mad Max as I expect I likely would have done. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes -- of course, there's no guarantee that the person awardng the prizes isn't going to get a little backlash. In my case, I'll take that risk as I have better odds doing that than just praying the pack mentality of a group like that knows not to go "too far".

Yeah because nothing would have happened to the driver if he'd stayed on scene. I ride but it's pretty clear to me the riders were the @rsehats in this little scenario. Quite a number of them deserve tickets for endangering the public, impeding the flow of traffic, etc. and everyone who participated in beating the RR driver should be charged with assault and battery with intent to kill. Anyone who helped stop the SUV was an accessory. I'm always sorry when someone ends up a paraplegic but in this instance it would appear to be a case of ironic justice.

strm_trpr
10-02-2013, 07:38
See this link for the jackassery of the bikers from earlier that day.

http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/the-footage-that-the-nyc-bikers-didnt-want-you-to-see-1435594427/1436603736/@orlove

hatidua
10-02-2013, 08:15
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/hatidua/ARB_Bumper1_zpsa7b3a0cc.jpg

Hound
10-02-2013, 08:47
I have not condoned the bikers actions, they were out of line also but you don't run over people and "its OK". BOTH sides made mistakes and NONE of us know how this started. If I pulled up and was trying to pull a fellow rider (no matter how stupid he was originally) out from under the RR and then get run over myself.... Ya, not thinking that is "OK". Plainly it is a Hit-and-run, wether it was justified is up to a court, where the full story would come out. If the RR tires were "slashed"..... how did he drive that far/fast? I don't know, niether do any of us. The RR panicked, that many angry people around I can see why but does that give him the right to run over people? People were hurt here and even if it was justifiable that is not for anybody here to decide... We don't have the full picture.

davsel
10-02-2013, 09:17
I have not condoned the bikers actions, they were out of line also but you don't run over people and "its OK". BOTH sides made mistakes and NONE of us know how this started. If I pulled up and was trying to pull a fellow rider (no matter how stupid he was originally) out from under the RR and then get run over myself.... Ya, not thinking that is "OK". Plainly it is a Hit-and-run, wether it was justified is up to a court, where the full story would come out. If the RR tires were "slashed"..... how did he drive that far/fast? I don't know, niether do any of us. The RR panicked, that many angry people around I can see why but does that give him the right to run over people? People were hurt here and even if it was justifiable that is not for anybody here to decide... We don't have the full picture.

Please cite your source for this. Appears you are making a few assumptions.
I understand that the family of the injured turd is claiming their angel jumped into harms way to rescue a fallen comrade.
However, there remains the possibility their thug relative intentionally placed himself in front of the vehicle in order to block its escape, while the thug's douche bag buddies gave the driver a beat down in the middle of the freeway.

Why not take your own advice and wait for "the full picture" before claiming, "Plainly it is a Hit-and-run."

SirSai
10-02-2013, 09:20
Makes me think of the people with the attitude (as a pedestrian) of, "I've got the right of way. Hit me and I'll sue your ass off!" I don't know how many times I've heard people say something similar, but I always remember how stupid I think the person speaking must be to think that way. I have to wonder which option the paralyzed guy would take in hind sight. Sue from a wheel chair, or live the rest of his life normally?
Or you can sue them and get bionic legs with some of the court money you won

UrbanWolf
10-02-2013, 09:40
[Pop]

hatidua
10-02-2013, 09:55
I have not condoned the bikers actions, they were out of line also but you don't run over people and "its OK".

It may not be "OK" in the purest sense of the word, but if someone purposely stops my forward motion and a few dozen of that person's cohorts wish to cause me/mine harm, you can bet that person in front of me is going to get an up-close personal view of my transfer case as I roll on over.

hurley842002
10-02-2013, 10:46
It may not be "OK" in the purest sense of the word, but if someone purposely stops my forward motion and a few dozen of that person's cohorts wish to cause me/mine harm, you can bet that person in front of me is going to get an up-close personal view of my transfer case as I roll on over.

This!

I was just telling the wife last night, "the scene would have been much worse if it were me, and I wouldn't have even had to get out of the truck".

UrbanWolf
10-02-2013, 11:59
The news report didn't say how he got into a crow of bikers. I wonder how did he get caught in the middle of a biker gang, usually when people see a gang like they they slow down and let them pass.

Clint45
10-02-2013, 12:06
Someone just posted some undated videos from one of the guy's helmet cameras, possibly the same group earlier that day.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3cd_1380579664

bogie
10-02-2013, 12:26
Someone just posted some undated videos from one of the guy's helmet cameras, possibly the same group earlier that day.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3cd_1380579664

Reminds me of pretty much every third world country I've been to.

UrbanWolf
10-02-2013, 12:38
Reminds me of pretty much every third world country I've been to.

They are active in NYC, what else would you expect to see? lol

brutal
10-02-2013, 13:07
all that riding in those videos and I didnt see any cops. is it me? or were they given free run of the city?

I have ridden with MANY PATCHED CLUB MEMBERS, individually and with clubs and I have never seen the disrespect or thug behavior that I see in these videos. I kept rooting for the asphalt. Is it wrong of me that I kept hoping for rice all over the road?
rice-all-over-the-roadi

If only they were in San Francisco.

It would be a treat.

MattR
10-02-2013, 13:23
I have not condoned the bikers actions, they were out of line also but you don't run over people and "its OK".


Then by your own definition of "Ok" its not ok to shoot somebody in self defense, right? The video starts with an accident, they happen, the shitheads on the bikes decided instead of pulling over and exchanging info like adults, they surrounded the RR and started vandalising the vehicle. Maybe the guy who got rear ended on the bike would have just pulled over and handled it like an adult, nobody will know. His shithead associates became a very threatening force and the RR did the best he could given the situation. If he sat there they would've destroyed his truck and hauled ass, probably with no consequence's. The bike guys screwed up by posting the video, they think it was cool, typical low IQ gang mentality.

BushMasterBoy
10-02-2013, 13:44
The guy in the hospital has this report on his record...

Edwin E. Mieses, 26, of 17 Bernard Ave., Nov. 28, charged with operating a motor vehicle after license was revoked, illegal possession of a Class D narcotic, operating a motor vehicle with defective equipment and on five outstanding warrants;
Arrested Again in May, Since 1999, he has been ticketed by police 16 times, in Lawrence, Methuen, Roxbury, Andover, and New Hampshire, according to registry records.
In June, the Registry notified the National Driver Register that Mieses was a habitual traffic offender whose right to drive in Massachusetts was revoked until 2017, records show.

merl
10-02-2013, 14:14
Then by your own definition of "Ok" its not ok to shoot somebody in self defense, right?
No it isn't. There are cases where it is justified, cases where it is necessary and even cases where society is better off for the action but that doesn't make it OK to harm someone.

waxthis
10-02-2013, 14:18
.[Pop].

Jmetz
10-02-2013, 14:50
all that riding in those videos and I didnt see any cops. is it me? or were they given free run of the city?

I have ridden with MANY PATCHED CLUB MEMBERS, individually and with clubs and I have never seen the disrespect or thug behavior that I see in these videos. I kept rooting for the asphalt. Is it wrong of me that I kept hoping for rice all over the road?
rice-all-over-the-roadi

I have seen some video where they passed several cops while riding all chaotic and the cops did nothing. You probably rode with real bikers, while I ride sportbikes, sportbike gangs are usually a bunch of douchebags that watched biker boys and decided to imitate the movie.

Bailey Guns
10-02-2013, 14:52
No it isn't. There are cases where it is justified, cases where it is necessary and even cases where society is better off for the action but that doesn't make it OK to harm someone.

You have GOT to be shittin' me. That makes no sense in moral or practical terms. What's the difference between justified, necessary or OK?

merl
10-02-2013, 14:57
Probably a quibble on definition. I see OK as something I wouldn't second guess, no grey area to it.

TFOGGER
10-02-2013, 14:59
You have GOT to be shittin' me. That makes no sense in moral or practical terms. What's the difference between justified, necessary or OK?

Justified would mean legal in the eyes of the law, necessary would mean required to save life and limb, ok would mean you're happy with the way things worked out. I could see where I might be justified in using violence, and it might be necessary, but I wouldn't be ok with it(or at least the circustances that led to it, if I could somehow have avoided the necessity).

Aloha_Shooter
10-02-2013, 15:08
No it isn't. There are cases where it is justified, cases where it is necessary and even cases where society is better off for the action but that doesn't make it OK to harm someone.

Someone translate this please. Maybe it would make more sense after a fifth of Glenlivet?

ChunkyMonkey
10-02-2013, 15:09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7tQR6KtkIU

ruthabagah
10-02-2013, 15:11
[beatdeadhorse]Polarizing discussion isn't it?

davsel
10-02-2013, 15:12
For the record, I'm OK with running over all the little bastards.

davsel
10-02-2013, 15:15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7tQR6KtkIU

That would be awesome - to just sit in the car laughing and making monkey faces at the turds trying to get in - waiting for the police.

lowspeed_highdrag
10-02-2013, 15:20
This thread is great. It helps me weed out those who I would never do business with or go shooting with. If you blame the driver for what he did, you are an idiot. Now go stand guard at the WWII memorial like a good Obamabot.

PugnacAutMortem
10-02-2013, 15:22
If only they were in San Francisco.

It would be a treat.

[ROFL1]

You will be receiving an invoice for 1 computer monitor shortly...because that post made me spit out my soda all over the damn thing. That's some funny stuff right there!

bogie
10-02-2013, 15:34
The Manhattan DA’s office won’t press charges against one of the motorcycle thugs believed to have terrorized a driver and his family after a wild chase on the West Side Highway, and argued against prosecuting a second biker before ultimately agreeing to, sources said Wednesday.
“F—!” the biker who was charged, Christopher Cruz, 28, of Passaic, NJ, said when he was swarmed by media as he left Manhattan Criminal Court on $1,500 cash bail, charged with reckless driving and unlawful imprisonment.
Cruz was caught on video allegedly starting the entire incident by brake-checking the victim’s black Range Rover during the Sunday biker rally — supposedly so that his companion bikers could take over the highway.
NYPD brass were hot on arresting Cruz despite zero evidence he’d committed an actual assault, sources told The Post.
“We arrested [Cruz] because of pressure from [police brass] to make an arrest in this case,” a second source said.
“It was completely against [the prosecutor's] judgment. The case is week. We needed much more investigation.”
The DA’s office relented because of pressure from the NYPD and widespread publicity about the case, a second source told The Post.
A statement from the DA’s top trial prosecutor, Karen Friedman-Agnifilo, confirmed that the office was proceeding with caution in building “the strongest cases possible” against the renegade bikers.
“Prematurely charging individuals with low-level crimes does not further the goals of the investigation, and could weaken the cases we expect to bring against the perpetrators of serious crimes,” Friedman-Agnifilo said in a written statement.
The biker who won’t be charged is Allen Edwards, a 43-year-old Queens man who is allegedly caught on video banging with his fist on the rear driver’s side window of victim Alexian Lien’s rear driver’s side window with his fist. He surrendered to cops Tuesday morning — but was released from the 33rd precinct without arrest, the sources said.
The failure to press charges against Edwards angered some cops. “The DA declined to prosecute. Look at [The Post’s] front page [Tuesday] (http://nypost.com/2013/10/02/nypd-lets-pop-up-bike-gangs-rampage/). He’s there on the motorcycle right next to [Lien] after [Lien]got his ass kicked,” an angry law enforcement source said.
Video shows a man who might be Edwards pummeling the rear window of Lien’s Range Rover, near where his infant daughter was belted into a child seat, and Lien on the ground with Edwards next to him.
A second biker, Christopher Cruz, 28, of Passaic, N.J., who brake-checked the SUV — allegedly so that the bikes could take over the road was charged with endangering the welfare of a child and reckless driving.
Modal Trigger (http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/christophercruz1.jpg)http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/christophercruz1.jpg?w=300Christopher Cruz in court Wednesday.

“The case is weak. It was too early to tell if he committed the crimes he was charged with. It needed much more investigation,” the second source said.
Police, meanwhile, are zeroing in on two other suspects, including the one who slashed Lien, sending him to the hospital for stitches.
“They’re trying to ID two of the guys. One of them is the main guy. He’s the one that assaulted the victim. On the video, he was wearing the chrome helmet that has a logo of a bird,” a third source said late Tuesday.
A witness told police the biker in the chrome helmet pulled Lien out of the car, threw the terrified dad to the ground and stomped on his head.
The second suspect being sought also smashed windows on the SUV, the source added.
“He’s wearing orange and he hit the window of the SUV,” the source said.
Cops have gotten photos of hundreds of license plates from bridge and tunnel cameras and are trying to identify more of the bikers, who first swarmed Lien, his wife and child on the West Side Highway in HarlemSunday about 1:30 p.m.
But some of the plates turned out to be stolen or belong to different bikes, making it tougher to ID the motorcyclists.
The chase was caught on video by a helmet camera worn by one of the bikers — who later posted it on YouTube.
Early on in the chase, as Lien sped off to escape the pack, he ran over 26-year-old biker Jeremiah Mieses (http://nypost.com/2013/10/01/cops-bust-bike-thug/) of Lawrence, Mass., whose spine was crushed. He remains hospitalized in a medically induced coma.

http://nypost.com/2013/10/02/da-wont-charge-bike-assault-thug-in-suv-beating/

Hound
10-02-2013, 15:49
Please cite your source for this. Appears you are making a few assumptions.
I understand that the family of the injured turd is claiming their angel jumped into harms way to rescue a fallen comrade.
However, there remains the possibility their thug relative intentionally placed himself in front of the vehicle in order to block its escape, while the thug's douche bag buddies gave the driver a beat down in the middle of the freeway.

Why not take your own advice and wait for "the full picture" before claiming, "Plainly it is a Hit-and-run."

The RR hit the bike. The RR then ran.... You have seen the video?... This much is not in question.

BushMasterBoy
10-02-2013, 16:15
Meanwhile the FBI is more concerned with this... http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/2/4794780/fbi-seizes-underground-drug-market-silk-road-owner-indicted-in-new

spqrzilla
10-02-2013, 16:32
The armored car company video is great. I especially like how the guy with the helmet beats on the window until the helmet falls apart.

Aloha_Shooter
10-02-2013, 16:33
The RR hit the bike. The RR then ran.... You have seen the video?... This much is not in question.

The bike brake-checked the RR. The other cyclists then swarmed the RR at which point the RR broke through the crowd, hitting other bikes and riders. Barring more evidence, I'm seeing as much of a case for self-defense as hit-and-run. As davsel said, you're making a few assumptions.

sellersm
10-02-2013, 16:37
Apparently the Manhattan DA didn't get the same memo that the Florida DA got for prosecuting Zimmerman...

Clint45
10-02-2013, 18:04
Cops have gotten photos of hundreds of license plates from bridge and tunnel cameras and are trying to identify more of the bikers, but some of the plates turned out to be stolen or belong to different bikes, making it tougher to ID the motorcyclists.

cofi
10-02-2013, 18:13
Meanwhile the FBI is more concerned with this... http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/2/4794780/fbi-seizes-underground-drug-market-silk-road-owner-indicted-in-new

That deserves its own thread

Joe_K
10-02-2013, 18:29
Talked this over with the wife and we both were of the opinion that given only the film evidence from the helmet cam, if it was our family in the RR, we would have attempted to drive away as fast and far away from these idiotic criminals and that before getting boxed in would have u turned and gone back the wrong way on the freeway, 911 dispatch on speaker, handguns at the ready. Also a cow catcher would definitley improve ones chances of escape, sigh... I miss my 6x6 MRAP with mine roller and M240 up top :)


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Hound
10-02-2013, 18:30
The bike brake-checked the RR. The other cyclists then swarmed the RR at which point the RR broke through the crowd, hitting other bikes and riders. Barring more evidence, I'm seeing as much of a case for self-defense as hit-and-run. As davsel said, you're making a few assumptions.

There are no assumptions. The RR hit people...twice. He left the scene. That is hit and run. You are both assuming I am against the RR driver. Read what I said again. If you or anybody here shoot somebody we all know we would be arrested and then after the fact, the courts (even if that is just the DA) make a determination of self defense or in this case bring charges of 'hit and run'. He should have been arrested for the hit and run, then cleared if that was warranted. The bikers, they too should be arrested, not run over like some on here think is "OK". Wow, some on here seem to forget America is a land of laws. Not judge Dredd, I saw a video...kill'em all!! If you hurt somebody, like running over them, the law gets to check what was going on. There are a lot of people out there that think anybody carrying a gun should be run over, thrown in jail, hell shot with their own gun. That is not "OK" either. NONE of us saw how this started nor can we really see what was happening in that mob. I gurantee that if somebody hurt a fellow gun owner in one of our rally's we would come together around the person or car. I doubt we would be looking friendly and I can see the exact same story being said about us. "I was surrounded by gun owners... You know they were armed!!! I ran them over to save my wife and kids." All I have said is I don't know the whole story and both sides look like they made mistakes in judgment.

Great-Kazoo
10-02-2013, 18:34
So, how about that Zimmerman trial ?

mrghost
10-02-2013, 18:47
YES, because he is Asian! and we know how Asian drives, dont we?

Relatively admirably when in a Range Rover and their family is threatened.

mrghost
10-02-2013, 18:50
I watched the video yesterday.... I think the Range rover guy is at fault. There is supposedly more to this video since a lot of the riders were wearing go pros and one or more guy filmed the beginning of the incident when the RR guy rolled down his window and told the group that he called the cops on them as they were passing him.... Yeah: really smart move! Then he clipped one bike... Even smarter move. Imagine your reaction if the same guy parked his RR in the middle of a shooting range, rolled down his window and told you he just called the cop on you because he does not like what you are doing (or worse: he called Bloomberg on you!)...

I was expecting the sarcasm emoticon or similar at the end of this, but no dice. *baffled*

mrghost
10-02-2013, 18:51
Makes me think of the people with the attitude (as a pedestrian) of, "I've got the right of way. Hit me and I'll sue your ass off!" I don't know how many times I've heard people say something similar, but I always remember how stupid I think the person speaking must be to think that way. I have to wonder which option the paralyzed guy would take in hind sight. Sue from a wheel chair, or live the rest of his life normally?

Some people around the world are making that sorta thing their career:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnd8Izdxfyk

Gman
10-02-2013, 19:20
Could be a very short "career".

th3w01f
10-02-2013, 21:02
I gurantee that if somebody hurt a fellow gun owner in one of our rally's we would come together around the person or car. I doubt we would be looking friendly and I can see the exact same story being said about us. "I was surrounded by gun owners... You know they were armed!!! I ran them over to save my wife and kids." All I have said is I don't know the whole story and both sides look like they made mistakes in judgment.

If someone I'm with (gun owner or not) chooses to step in front of a moving vehicle to try and make them stop and gets themselves run over the last thing I'm going to do is stand in front of that vehicle and try to keep them there. This is an area where the police excel at getting the job done, especially if you have it on video.

Hound
10-02-2013, 21:15
If someone I'm with (gun owner or not) chooses to step in front of a moving vehicle to try and make them stop and get's themselves run over the last thing I'm going to do is stand in front of that vehicle and try to keep them there. This is an area where the police excel at getting the job done, especially if you have it on video.

Wow, so if one of us is hit by somebody in a car, you would not help us out from under it, much less try to stop it from continuing to crush us..... as has been reported of the guy with a broken back? The guy that initially got hit only broke an arm and was in court today. The news reported the guy with a broken back was trying to pull him out when the RR guy floored it.....and apparently your a cop??? Were you just in another video and taking this personnally??? Nice to know you have any of our backs if we were hurt. Amazing.

BTW... The RR was already stopped.

Irving
10-02-2013, 21:33
I can't find the video I'm looking for, but as far as people jumping in front of cars, this one is my favorite by far.

X5jk2LEOg28

buffalobo
10-02-2013, 21:37
So what was it that caused the driver of the RR to think he needed to exit the situation so quickly. Surely there must be a reason he did not want to wait for 10-15-20 minutes for the police to rescue them. [fail]

hatidua
10-02-2013, 21:38
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnd8Izdxfyk

I need to buy a better front bumper.

th3w01f
10-02-2013, 21:46
Wow, so if one of us is hit by somebody in a car, you would not help us out from under it, much less try to stop it from continuing to crush us..... as has been reported of the guy with a broken back? The guy that initially got hit only broke an arm and was in court today. The news reported the guy with a broken back was trying to pull him out when the RR guy floored it.....and apparently your a cop??? Were you just in another video and taking this personnally??? Nice to know you have any of our backs if we were hurt. Amazing.

BTW... The RR was already stopped.

I don't believe I said any of that.

First off the guy that has been charged clearly caused the accident on the video. Sure maybe he didn't realize that motorcycles stop faster than an SUV but I'm giving him the benefit of a doubt that he was at least smart enough to realize he was going to get hit and was actually trying to cause an incident. If you believe that Cruz was riding along minding his own business when he was hit from behind by a maniac in a RR than we are so far apart on this there's no point discussing it.

I have not seen any mention that someone was pined under the vehicle or in imminent danger of being crushed. If that were the case I'd expect that the first idiot (Cruz) would have been hurt worse than he was.

While there is not enough evidence at this point to tell exactly what happened the news also reported that when the driver stopped the gang started smashing his vehicle with helmets and slashing his tires. That seems plausible given what we saw in this video and others from the same day. I also don't think it's unreasonable to believe that they were verbally and physically threatening the driver (from the reports it sounds like one of these winners stabbed him in the face after pulling him from the vehicle at the end) which caused him to panic and hit the gas. Maybe the guy with the broken back was just trying to help his friend or maybe, just maybe he was standing in front of the vehicle screaming at the driver to get out so he could fuck him up. Neither would really surprise me at this point.

I'm not a cop and I'm pretty critical of their actions at times but this is the type of incident where they shine.... Up until it turned into a gang attempting to execute some type of vigilante justice (right after the minor accident) the police could have easily handled it.

You seem to mistake having someones back and attempting to justify an idiots actions with violence. The people that had their back are the ones that stayed to try and make sure they were OK. The rest were a bunch of fucking thugs that deserved much worse than they'll get from this incident.

hurley842002
10-02-2013, 21:55
I don't believe I said any of that.

First off the guy that has been charged clearly caused the accident on the video. Sure maybe he didn't realize that motorcycles stop faster than an SUV but I'm giving him the benefit of a doubt that he was at least smart enough to realize he was going to get hit and was actually trying to cause an incident. If you believe that Cruz was riding along minding his own business when he was hit from behind by a maniac in a RR than we are so far apart on this there's no point discussing it.

I have not seen any mention that someone was pined under the vehicle or in imminent danger of being crushed. If that were the case I'd expect that the first idiot (Cruz) would have been hurt worse than he was.

While there is not enough evidence at this point to tell exactly what happened the news also reported that when the driver stopped the gang started smashing his vehicle with helmets and slashing his tires. That seems plausible given what we saw in this video and others from the same day. I also don't think it's unreasonable to believe that they were verbally and physically threatening the driver (from the reports it sounds like one of these winners stabbed him in the face after pulling him from the vehicle at the end) which caused him to panic and hit the gas. Maybe the guy with the broken back was just trying to help his friend or maybe, just maybe he was standing in front of the vehicle screaming at the driver to get out so he could fuck him up. Neither would really surprise me at this point.

I'm not a cop and I'm pretty critical of their actions at times but this is the type of incident where they shine.... Up until it turned into a gang attempting to execute some type of vigilante justice (right after the minor accident) the police could have easily handled it.

You seem to mistake having someones back and attempting to justify an idiots actions with violence. The people that had their back are the ones that stayed to try and make sure they were OK. The rest were a bunch of fucking thugs that deserved much worse than they'll get from this incident.

Completely agree, great post!

Jmetz
10-02-2013, 21:59
Some people around the world are making that sorta thing their career:

Now I understand why they all have dash cams over there..

BushMasterBoy
10-02-2013, 22:18
Yeah I need a dash cam to match my S&W...

davsel
10-02-2013, 23:10
Wow, so if one of us is hit by somebody in a car, you would not help us out from under it, much less try to stop it from continuing to crush us..... as has been reported of the guy with a broken back? The guy that initially got hit only broke an arm and was in court today. The news reported the guy with a broken back was trying to pull him out when the RR guy floored it.....and apparently your a cop??? Were you just in another video and taking this personnally??? Nice to know you have any of our backs if we were hurt. Amazing.

BTW... The RR was already stopped.

Again, please provide citation.

Joe_K
10-02-2013, 23:17
Is it typical for members to display such animosity and vitriol talk over such a minor subject as this?
A. No one died ( luckily)
B. Not near important enough of an incident to cause members here to disassociate from each other
C. Everyone has their own opinion sometimes things are best left unsaid
D. Lets wait till the facts to come out.
I have allready posted on this thread about what my plan of action would be in a similiar set of circumstances but until the facts come forth lets sit back and relax and not make more enemies over this, the Anti gunners in both parties would love that.... Now where did I put my Ukulele strums kumbaya



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davsel
10-02-2013, 23:41
From: http://www.aikenstandard.com/article/20131002/AIK0105/131009834

Prosecutors and police said Cruz was participating in a motorcycle rally speeding along Manhattan’s West Side Highway. Cruz cut in front of a black Range Rover and, still staring at its driver, slowed down so much that the rear tire of his chopper bumped the front of the SUV, they said. He got off and approached the SUV, prosecutors said


From: http://townhall.com/news/us/2013/10/02/wife-biker-husband-is-victim-in-nyc-altercation-n1714877


The only person criminally charged in Sunday's encounter is Christopher Cruz, who was arraigned on misdemeanor charges of reckless driving and unlawful imprisonment. Police and prosecutors said Cruz, of Passaic, N.J., was the biker who initially cut off the SUV, which then bumped his motorcycle's back tire.


From: http://dailyentertainmentnews.com/tv/christopher-cruz-biker-who-caused-accident-between-bikers-and-alexian-lien/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=christopher-cruz-biker-who-caused-accident-between-bikers-and-alexian-lien


The 28-year-old was charged Wednesday with reckless endangerment, reckless driving, endangering the welfare of a child and menacing. His bail was set at $1,500 cash; his attorney said Cruz even got off the motorcycle and tried to start the procedures for an accident report and that his client denies all the allegations.

He was hospitalized after the incident with minor back pain but released soon after.

davsel
10-02-2013, 23:47
Is it typical for members to display such animosity and vitriol talk over such a minor subject as this?
A. No one died ( luckily)
B. Not near important enough of an incident to cause members here to disassociate from each other
C. Everyone has their own opinion sometimes things are best left unsaid
D. Lets wait till the facts to come out.
I have allready posted on this thread about what my plan of action would be in a similiar set of circumstances but until the facts come forth lets sit back and relax and not make more enemies over this, the Anti gunners in both parties would love that.... Now where did I put my Ukulele strums kumbaya


It is just nice to know that when the SHTF, who will have your back, and who will likely point a finger in your direction.

Squeeze
10-02-2013, 23:52
Far as I'm concerned, only 1 rule: Don't talk shit about other member's wives or children. Someone went there on another thread and that's that, but getting cut-throat over this dumbass topic is rediculous. Bottom line, people played stupid games, stupid prizes were handed out. So lock this BS and let's move on shall we?

Hound
10-03-2013, 00:29
I don't believe I said any of that.

First off the guy that has been charged clearly caused the accident on the video. Sure maybe he didn't realize that motorcycles stop faster than an SUV but I'm giving him the benefit of a doubt that he was at least smart enough to realize he was going to get hit and was actually trying to cause an incident. If you believe that Cruz was riding along minding his own business when he was hit from behind by a maniac in a RR than we are so far apart on this there's no point discussing it.

Never said anybody was innocent, actually said BOTH were making mistakes.

I have not seen any mention that someone was pined under the vehicle or in imminent danger of being crushed. If that were the case I'd expect that the first idiot (Cruz) would have been hurt worse than he was.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/10/01/nypd-suspects-sought-in-attack-on-suv-driver/

Meanwhile, biker Edwin Mieses, an aspiring rapper from outside Boston, was in a medically induced coma Tuesday with crushed legs and serious internal injuries as a result of being run over by the SUV.

“There’s no hope for his back,” said his wife, Dayana Mejia-Meises. “They crushed his spine — broke it in two different places — so he will be forever, forever paralyzed.”

Mieses was hurt in the road rage incident Sunday afternoon as hundreds of stunt bikers led an unauthorized rally.

Mejia-Mieses said her husband got off his motorcycle to help a fellow biker who was hit in the initial collision.

“When all the bikers stopped, my husband got out, parked his bike to walk over to try to help his friend. He walked over towards the front of the vehicle when, at this point, I don’t know what happened the man was scared, the man just peeled off and ran over my husband,” she told WBZ-TV.

Mieses said her husband has injuries to his heart, lungs and ribs and that he is paralyzed from the waist down. The couple has two children, ages 15 and 9.



While there is not enough evidence at this point to tell exactly what happened the news also reported that when the driver stopped the gang started smashing his vehicle with helmets and slashing his tires. That seems plausible given what we saw in this video and others from the same day. I also don't think it's unreasonable to believe that they were verbally and physically threatening the driver (from the reports it sounds like one of these winners stabbed him in the face after pulling him from the vehicle at the end) which caused him to panic and hit the gas. Maybe the guy with the broken back was just trying to help his friend or maybe, just maybe he was standing in front of the vehicle screaming at the driver to get out so he could fuck him up. Neither would really surprise me at this point.

You don't know that, the video is not close or clear enough. Tires, already showed why that does not make sense.

I'm not a cop and I'm pretty critical of their actions at times but this is the type of incident where they shine.... Up until it turned into a gang attempting to execute some type of vigilante justice (right after the minor accident) the police could have easily handled it.

I agree, if a cop had been there none of this would have happened, but they were not.

You seem to mistake having someones back and attempting to justify an idiots actions with violence. The people that had their back are the ones that stayed to try and make sure they were OK. The rest were a bunch of fucking thugs that deserved much worse than they'll get from this incident.

The other videos are not this group to my knowledge (that one with the guy driving on the sidewalk was way out of line) and like I said, I can see us being the "thugs" in this situation... Even when we are not. The guy with the broken back sounds like he was watching the back of a fellow rider and nobody here can say different with what we know now. I would expect the same from my fellow forum members here if I were hit because somebody thought I was a "thug" at one of our rally's. There were some "asshats" in there but I don't generalize a group for the actions of a few. Sandy Hook and Aurora should have taught us all that.

ChunkyMonkey
10-03-2013, 01:11
F*cking Thugs!! No other words can describe it.

Click to enlarge.. this is after they dragged the driver out and started to kick/punch/stab at him.. notice they smashed the passenger side window also.
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Of course like any other mob... noone wants to take responsibility eventhough some claims they are in the right. Cowards!
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Joe_K
10-03-2013, 01:18
It is just nice to know that when the SHTF, who will have your back, and who will likely point a finger in your direction.

Well said sir, THAT would be an interesting thread, ideas and plans for SHTF scenarios.




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Joe_K
10-03-2013, 01:24
I own and shoot an AK-47. Therefore, every time I see a video showing a pack of taliban shooting their AK-47s (at whoever), I will come to their defense.

+1000


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lowspeed_highdrag
10-03-2013, 02:37
I like how Hound continues to call this a hit and run. Say you get into a fender bender, you stop and so does the guy in front of you that for some reason you bumped into. He gets out and points a gun at you and you flee the scene. That is not a hit and run. Neither is this. This is the same situation, however the gun pointed at the range rover is in the shape of multiple aggressive assailants. Justified.

Oh, and Mr. Jay "Meezee" should never have been on that road. A Habitual traffic offender with a revoked license was operating a motor vehicle illegally and something bad happened!?!?!?! SHOCK.

Mrmegacool
10-03-2013, 04:11
From: http://www.aikenstandard.com/article/20131002/AIK0105/131009834

Prosecutors and police said Cruz was participating in a motorcycle rally speeding along Manhattan’s West Side Highway. Cruz cut in front of a black Range Rover and, still staring at its driver, slowed down so much that the rear tire of his chopper bumped the front of the SUV, they said. He got off and approached the SUV, prosecutors said


From: http://townhall.com/news/us/2013/10/02/wife-biker-husband-is-victim-in-nyc-altercation-n1714877


The only person criminally charged in Sunday's encounter is Christopher Cruz, who was arraigned on misdemeanor charges of reckless driving and unlawful imprisonment. Police and prosecutors said Cruz, of Passaic, N.J., was the biker who initially cut off the SUV, which then bumped his motorcycle's back tire.


From: http://dailyentertainmentnews.com/tv/christopher-cruz-biker-who-caused-accident-between-bikers-and-alexian-lien/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=christopher-cruz-biker-who-caused-accident-between-bikers-and-alexian-lien


The 28-year-old was charged Wednesday with reckless endangerment, reckless driving, endangering the welfare of a child and menacing. His bail was set at $1,500 cash; his attorney said Cruz even got off the motorcycle and tried to start the procedures for an accident report and that his client denies all the allegations.

He was hospitalized after the incident with minor back pain but released soon after.











Look like facts to me..lol [UZI]

Mrmegacool
10-03-2013, 04:13
It is just nice to know that when the SHTF, who will have your back, and who will likely point a finger in your direction.

Well said sir, THAT would be an interesting thread, ideas and plans for SHTF scenarios.

I couldnt agree more!




Sent from my PRC 117A in my Batmobile disguised as a sedan.

Irving
10-03-2013, 10:04
It is a hit and run by definition, but it doesn't matter ad it has nothing to do with what contributed to the accident. It is completely a non-issue relative to the rest of the arguing. Same goes for not having a license.

Irving
10-03-2013, 12:02
Meanwhile the FBI is more concerned with this... http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/2/4794780/fbi-seizes-underground-drug-market-silk-road-owner-indicted-in-new

Ahhh, that explains the wild fluctuations in Bitcoin prices yesterday.

ChunkyMonkey
10-03-2013, 12:45
Ahhh, that explains the wild fluctuations in Bitcoin prices yesterday.

Did you buy back some?

Irving
10-03-2013, 12:56
No, I saw the huge drop and didn't know what was going on. Now they srabilized at my last sales price again. I totally missed the boat.

ruthabagah
10-03-2013, 13:00
Meanwhile in Russia

http://youtu.be/9_mhFi3T8KQ

Clint45
10-04-2013, 10:16
http://blog.sfgate.com/hottopics/2013/10/02/heres-whats-really-crazy-about-the-nyc-biker-beat-down/

davsel
10-04-2013, 12:07
Let the circus continue!

From: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/celebrity-lawyer-gloria-allred-represents-biker-injured-suv-driver-attacked-upper-manhattan-article-1.1476093

Celebrity lawyer Gloria Allred represents biker injured before SUV driver attacked in upper Manhattan

Gloria Allred - who was sworn into the New York State Bar by an Albany judge last week - said she will hold a news conference with the family of Edwin Mieses, 32, who was critically injured when he was struck by an SUV allegedly fleeing from a pack of angry bikers.

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1476090.1380884979!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/motorbike-accident.jpg

funkymonkey1111
10-04-2013, 12:20
Let the circus continue!

From: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/celebrity-lawyer-gloria-allred-represents-biker-injured-suv-driver-attacked-upper-manhattan-article-1.1476093

Celebrity lawyer Gloria Allred represents biker injured before SUV driver attacked in upper Manhattan

Gloria Allred - who was sworn into the New York State Bar by an Albany judge last week - said she will hold a news conference with the family of Edwin Mieses, 32, who was critically injured when he was struck by an SUV allegedly fleeing from a pack of angry bikers.

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1476090.1380884979!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/motorbike-accident.jpg




she's worse than the strongarm!

ChunkyMonkey
10-04-2013, 12:56
Once an ambulance chaser..will always be one.

davsel
10-04-2013, 13:12
i dont understand how the guy got hurt. he was wearing a helmet and protective equipment.

It appears he was wearing a novelty helmet and a t-shirt.
Earlier reports say it is the guy in the purple shirt from this pic.
34765
I thought the pic I posted earlier showed the injured guy as the one face down-with the PPE, but looking more closely, I believe he is tending to a guy face-up in the purple shirt.

brutal
10-04-2013, 13:15
i dont understand how the guy got hurt. he was wearing a helmet and protective equipment.

I'd say you're probably fucked getting run over by a RR regardless of any real protective gear. But nonetheless, Davsel is right - guy in purple is down.

sellersm
10-04-2013, 13:22
http://blog.sfgate.com/hottopics/2013/10/02/heres-whats-really-crazy-about-the-nyc-biker-beat-down/

Gotta love this comment:

As there is "nothing the police can do", we should all be allowed to carry weapons to protect ourselves.

davsel
10-04-2013, 22:12
WHAT?

From: http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/new_york&id=9274018

NEW YORK (WABC) -- Eyewitness News has learned that among the bikers on the Henry Hudson last weekend, were five off-duty NYPD officers.

Sources say at least two detectives witnessed the attack on Alexian Lien and did not directly intervene. And investigators are still working to determine what role, if any, was played by the other three officers.

What is clear, sources say, is that the men did not begin to come forward until late Wednesday, four full-days after the incident.

And detectives are also investigating reports that several others in the group may have been off-duty New York City correction officers.

th3w01f
10-04-2013, 22:23
It appears he was wearing a novelty helmet and a t-shirt.
Earlier reports say it is the guy in the purple shirt from this pic.
34765
I thought the pic I posted earlier showed the injured guy as the one face down-with the PPE, but looking more closely, I believe he is tending to a guy face-up in the purple shirt.

The first thing I thought of when I saw this guy looking back at the driver was this scene from Menace II Society (:38 seconds in if you don't want to watch the whole scene). The guy at 1:30 had the right answer in that situation.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qMn71UheI8

Squeeze
10-04-2013, 22:43
Yeah, staring down the barrel of a loaded gun is a bad day. Talking smack to the guy who's pointing it at you is about as smart as pissing on the face of a sleeping bear. As I am sure we would all agree, avoidance is always the best policy but there are no rules saying the bad guys can't come to you, where you eat, sleep & shop. Stay sharp, carry always.

funkymonkey1111
10-05-2013, 11:08
can't be--those are the "good guys" i think i've read about on this very forum




WHAT?

From: http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/new_york&id=9274018

NEW YORK (WABC) -- Eyewitness News has learned that among the bikers on the Henry Hudson last weekend, were five off-duty NYPD officers.

Sources say at least two detectives witnessed the attack on Alexian Lien and did not directly intervene. And investigators are still working to determine what role, if any, was played by the other three officers.

What is clear, sources say, is that the men did not begin to come forward until late Wednesday, four full-days after the incident.

And detectives are also investigating reports that several others in the group may have been off-duty New York City correction officers.

TFOGGER
10-05-2013, 11:22
Yeah, staring down the barrel of a loaded gun is a bad day. Talking smack to the guy who's pointing it at you is about as smart as pissing on the face of a sleeping bear. .

Or Sasquatch..


http://youtu.be/k8W9U0qhLz8

BushMasterBoy
10-06-2013, 22:40
http://news.yahoo.com/da-motorcyclist-had-key-role-nyc-suv-brawl-213733153.html


Cops were present during this mans beating? Nice going Bloomberg!

spqrzilla
10-06-2013, 23:54
No surprise, its difficult to tell the difference between gangs and NYPD.

Great-Kazoo
10-07-2013, 08:15
i dont understand how the guy got hurt. he was wearing a helmet and protective equipment.


It appears he was wearing a novelty helmet and a t-shirt.
Earlier reports say it is the guy in the purple shirt from this pic.
34765
I thought the pic I posted earlier showed the injured guy as the one face down-with the PPE, but looking more closely, I believe he is tending to a guy face-up in the purple shirt.

HBars post was sarcasm to it's fullist, IF you've been riding in CO, or anywhere, for any length of time.

Great-Kazoo
10-07-2013, 08:16
No, I saw the huge drop and didn't know what was going on. Now they srabilized at my last sales price again. I totally missed the boat.

Don't worry the "boat" will be cak. Only it will be full of feds, investigating your bitcoin buy/sell.

davsel
10-07-2013, 21:07
From: http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/10/07/was-there-any-doubt-these-guys-were-obnoxious-jerks/#more-70403

A defiant motorcyclist caught on video smashing an SUV window with his helmet after a wild chase in upper Manhattan gave the middle finger to reporters in court Sunday.

http://static2.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1477612.1381140841%21/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/index_635_390/390-bikers-1006.jpg

Biker Robert Sims is arraigned at Manhattan Criminal Court on Saturday. He allegedly stomped on Lien’s head and body during the attack on Alexian Lien.

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1477997.1381103504!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/bikers-4-1006.jpg

davsel
10-07-2013, 21:09
http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x459/WeeWeed1/WeeWeed1064/assholes_zps20affe50.jpg

Byte Stryke
10-08-2013, 10:32
http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/10/run_over_mass_biker_has_long_criminal_record


Edwin Mieses, 32, never got a driver’s license in the Bay State, the Registry of Motor Vehicles said, but he was frequently nabbed behind the wheel, and even sentenced to jail for driving without a license, court records show. Mieses has a pending case out of Lawrence District Court for driving suspended, subsequent offense, said Carrie Kimball Monihan, spokeswoman for the Essex County District Attorney’s Office. Mieses also has 15 guilty findings for criminal offenses including distribution of cocaine, possession of a firearm without a permit, knowingly receiving stolen property, resisting arrest and several motor vehicle violations, court records show.
Mieses was sentenced to jail in 2004 for distribution of cocaine, in 2001 for operating without a license, in 2000 for possession of a firearm, and in 1999 for possession of marijuana, receiving stolen property, destruction of property and attaching plates, according to court records.



he was just turning his life around
Career criminal, now a career victim.

irony?


I guess you could say that Karma ran over his Dogma
[ROFL1]

bellavite1
10-08-2013, 12:21
http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x459/WeeWeed1/WeeWeed1064/assholes_zps20affe50.jpg
THANK YOU![Beer]

DavieD55
10-08-2013, 13:05
http://static2.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1477612.1381140841%21/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/index_635_390/390-bikers-1006.jpg


What a dumbass LOL

ruthabagah
10-08-2013, 14:11
http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x459/WeeWeed1/WeeWeed1064/assholes_zps20affe50.jpg
Yes!

BushMasterBoy
10-08-2013, 17:22
And now the undercover cop has been arrested...

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_24264775/ap-sources-evidence-nyc-detective-pounded-suv

DEAGLER
10-17-2013, 18:27
So turns out SUV driver is related to a high ranking officer in NYC.