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Goodburbon
10-01-2013, 16:39
I visited a new-ish pawn shop in town for the first time today. Let me tell you, that was some enlightening conversation

1. Decent selection, decent prices on firearms


2. FN PS90 on the shelf, with 50rd magazine. He adamantly declares that there is no such law restricting magazine transfer. That the Dick act makes it invalid. His wife works for the atty general so he knows these things. He can order anything You like 30, 60,90 rd mags.


3. He's a class 3 dealer. He can order you a suppressor, but not a silencer. A suppressor will reduce the report of a firearm by 53%, but a silencer will reduce the report by 97%. Btw the difference (and he shouldn't be telling me this) is to take a suppressor apart and stuff the baffles with steel wool.


I almost couldn't hold a straight face. I thanked him for his time and left when someone came in to pawn some shotgun shells.


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SuperiorDG
10-01-2013, 16:43
I visited a new-ish pawn shop in town for the first time today. Let me tell you, that was some enlightening conversation

1. Decent selection, decent prices on firearms


2. FN PS90 on the shelf, with 50rd magazine. He adamantly declares that there is no such law restricting magazine transfer. That the Dick act makes it invalid. His wife works for the atty general so he knows these things. He can order anything You like 30, 60,90 rd mags.


3. He's a class 3 dealer. He can order you a suppressor, but not a silencer. A suppressor will reduce the report of a firearm by 53%, but a silencer will reduce the report by 97%. Btw the difference (and he shouldn't be telling me this) is to take a suppressor apart and stuff the baffles with steel wool.


I almost couldn't hold a straight face. I thanked him for his time and left when someone came in to pawn some shotgun shells.


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I wonder if that would catch fire?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MDH92VxPEQ

OneGuy67
10-01-2013, 16:48
Which town? Salida?

Goodburbon
10-01-2013, 16:56
Oh, I forgot to mention that all of the new bullets coming out will be black powder. Not even the government likes this, so they purchased enough ammo for the next xx years including WWIII.

Not Salida.


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Hound
10-01-2013, 17:08
As a public service you should name names! Gotta love these kinds of discussions when you find them. My favorite was a guy saying he hated the "Countach" and would buy a "Lamborghini" before he would buy a "Countach".

BTW: I wonder what would happen with the steel wool, also? Not enough to try it with one of mine but still wonder. I can see it just blowing out, though more likely to hit a baffle I would think. Fire (as stated above) is also a good bet... Maybe weld a bunch of fibers to the baffles if it is not Ti built? Interesting experiment for the rich and stupid.

Goodburbon
10-01-2013, 17:28
I once had a soldier working in a local gun shop tell me that the .50 BMG projectile would tear your arm off if it passed within 1 foot of it . This was a completely different shop in another state though.

I'd rather not name him publicly, since some of what he has said could get him into legal trouble if he isn't just blowing smoke and it's what he actually practices.


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KS63
10-01-2013, 17:36
I once had a soldier working in a local gun shop tell me that the .50 BMG projectile would tear your arm off if it passed within 1 foot of it . This was a completely different shop in another state though.

I'd rather not name him publicly, since some of what he has said could get him into legal trouble if he isn't just blowing smoke and it's what he actually practices.


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Chances are he'll get himself into trouble with the wrong person with the crap he's spewing.

Dave
10-01-2013, 17:49
I once had a soldier working in a local gun shop tell me that the .50 BMG projectile would tear your arm off if it passed within 1 foot of it . This was a completely different shop in another state though.

I'd rather not name him publicly, since some of what he has said could get him into legal trouble if he isn't just blowing smoke and it's what he actually practices.


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Had a CPT once tell me that a .50 BMG round could cause an aneurysm if it passed within 6" of your head. I was a PV2 at the time so I kind of believed him then. Not sure about it now, but a bit more believable than tearing an arm off from a foot away. That shop owner needs to be careful that some off duty cop isn't in there listening in when he says stuff like that.

Gman
10-01-2013, 17:52
I wonder if that would catch fire?
It certainly could. Steel wool and a battery are quite the effective fire starter.

http://youtu.be/DZrLyjFp8vc

spqrzilla
10-01-2013, 17:55
The Dick Act? That's weapons grade looney.

trlcavscout
10-01-2013, 18:25
How my dick act?

Gman
10-01-2013, 19:23
Better ask your wife or girlfriend, not us.

Tinelement
10-01-2013, 19:27
That sounded like a fun conversation!

Citizen_Soldier
10-01-2013, 20:14
What an idiot. Should have asked to see his Class 3 SOT. Suppressor and silencer don't necessarily reference the same items, yet I've never heard the difference explained quite like that... Also do you know if he gave a loan out on the shotgun shells? After working at a pawn shop for over a year, and perusing many others my whole life, I've never seen ammo pawned.

10mm-man
10-01-2013, 20:21
Suppressor and silencer don't necessarily reference the same items, yet I've never heard the difference explained quite like that...

What is the difference, and how have you had the two explained to you? Interested.........

Goodburbon
10-01-2013, 20:50
Well, as explained to me by this fellow you could get a suppressor for $70, but a silencer would cost $800.


Another gem was that they've developed a new AK lower receiver that will allow your AK to fire 650 rounds/ minute and not be considered full auto. "No, not a slide fire stock, a lower " he said with a twinkle in his eye.


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Goodburbon
10-01-2013, 20:53
J, for a brief moment, right before he opened his mouth, I considered informing him of a new colorado suppressor manufacturer.

I realized quite quickly that it was better to leave it unsaid.


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ray1970
10-01-2013, 21:01
Tell me where this place is. I would buy a suppressor for $70. Especially if he knew some fancy legal loopholes that didn't require me to file any special paperwork.

[facepalm]

10mm-man
10-01-2013, 21:07
J, for a brief moment, right before he opened his mouth, I considered informing him of a new colorado suppressor manufacturer.

I realized quite quickly that it was better to leave it unsaid.


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Lol... Glad you didn't! But maybe you should give me his name; I need a few suppressors! For $70 I am going to be a rich man..... lol

Wait though; he may not be far off. Isn't there a little attachment that allows you to mount an oil filter and use it as a suppressor? That little thing can't be more than a $100. Also, I heard Glock or something like that, makes a disposable suppressor for about $80 in Europe. It is poly and only good for like a few shots!

Goodburbon
10-01-2013, 21:13
I mentioned the oil filter adapters to him. He was talking about something different. Yes IIRC they were serialized and around $75 each. Plus a tax stamp of course.


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colorider
10-01-2013, 21:15
This jackoff will end up selling the mags and the supressors to a news reporter. That will be splendid.

Goodburbon
10-01-2013, 21:18
Yes, glock apparently does make a disposable suppressor for the "everyone else" market.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnahn3D2sAc&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DHnahn3D2sAc


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Irving
10-01-2013, 21:50
Had a CPT once tell me that a .50 BMG round could cause an aneurysm if it passed within 6" of your head.

Obviously it's from the temporary wound channel...in the air.

ray1970
10-01-2013, 22:04
A 50 BMG round that came within six inches of my head would cause a permanent stain in my shorts. And probably an aneurism as well.

spleify
10-01-2013, 22:16
Yes steel wool is definitely flammable. What a tool

Citizen_Soldier
10-01-2013, 22:58
What is the difference, and how have you had the two explained to you? Interested.........

I've had them explained as a silencer being a can that basically eliminates the sound of a passing bullet (i.e. subsonic loads with a .22 or .45) or a suppressor that just muffles the noise, making shots quieter. Most standard loads are still going to have the very audible supersonic crack from the bullet.

I doubt those are official or published definitions by any means, so I just usually call any can a suppressor. Haven't had first hand experience with a can that completely silences a load consistently while being run dry.

sellersm
10-01-2013, 23:24
Sure this guy wasn't a plant/trap/sting?


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ChunkyMonkey
10-01-2013, 23:51
Sure this guy wasn't a plant/trap/sting?


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This!

http://m.jsonline.com/more/news/blogs/196134541.html

Irving
10-02-2013, 00:06
I've had them explained as a silencer being a can that basically eliminates the sound of a passing bullet (i.e. subsonic loads with a .22 or .45) or a suppressor that just muffles the noise, making shots quieter. Most standard loads are still going to have the very audible supersonic crack from the bullet.

I doubt those are official or published definitions by any means, so I just usually call any can a suppressor. Haven't had first hand experience with a can that completely silences a load consistently while being run dry.

Both words refer to the same product. They were called silencers since the first one created by Maxim. Later people started being more realistic about the name and suppressor became the prefered term. Now a lot of people just say "can" and don't have to worry about it. Some models (baffles vs. baffles + wipes) are more quiet than others, but not enough to be referred to one way or another.

Danimal
10-02-2013, 01:27
I would say post the business up here because it is either a sting or he is going to be another liberal nail in the coffin for getting these laws repealed. Get the name out there, then if it is a sting enough attention will be brought to it that it will be closed. If this guy is that far off base then maybe a couple people on here could straighten him out a little. I'm sure he would prefer correcting his business practices than he would time in the pen.

spyder
10-02-2013, 02:13
Both words refer to the same product. They were called silencers since the first one created by Maxim. Later people started being more realistic about the name and suppressor became the prefered term. Now a lot of people just say "can" and don't have to worry about it. Some models (baffles vs. baffles + wipes) are more quiet than others, but not enough to be referred to one way or another.
Yep, they are one in the same just separated by what different people in different times, places, call them. Some are quieter than others, and some can be taken apart and stuffed. Also, the best stuffing is fiber blanket, the stuff used as a flame insulator.

Goodburbon
10-02-2013, 07:07
Yes, he could be. However, I don't believe that posting it up publicly and having a bunch of web commandos storm in and give this guy an impromptu lesson is the proper way to handle it. Remember he said his wife works for the AG, so he took it on high authority that the law does not hold any weight. He said so adamantly and repeatedly. An expert/group of people with credentials needs to approach this with tact.


Btw I've scouted several shops in the area and so far none I've asked will be adhering to the magazine ban. They obviously haven't read the law, because they are using tactics like "buy x and a magazine comes with it" or "buy x and we'll gift you a mag" or this guy. " there is no law, it's unenforcable and illegal". A test case/sting is just waiting on the DA to decide they want it.


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lllRorlll
10-02-2013, 10:24
I met a dude that had an ar14... It shoots a .221 caliber.

BushMasterBoy
10-02-2013, 11:28
Thats nothing, I have an AR16 that will kill space aliens!

Zundfolge
10-02-2013, 12:26
He adamantly declares that there is no such law restricting magazine transfer.

I don't care if he's wrong/stupid/insane/etc.
http://makeameme.org/media/templates/250/confession_bear.jpg
I'd probably still buy mags from this guy (paying cash of course).

bogie
10-02-2013, 12:36
Had a CPT once tell me that a .50 BMG round could cause an aneurysm if it passed within 6" of your head. I was a PV2 at the time so I kind of believed him then. Not sure about it now, but a bit more believable than tearing an arm off from a foot away. That shop owner needs to be careful that some off duty cop isn't in there listening in when he says stuff like that.

If nothing else, it would at least make you shit your pants!

UrbanWolf
10-02-2013, 12:40
So he forgot to mention civilian version of AR-15 is self cleaning and fire 3 rds bursts.



I visited a new-ish pawn shop in town for the first time today. Let me tell you, that was some enlightening conversation

1. Decent selection, decent prices on firearms


2. FN PS90 on the shelf, with 50rd magazine. He adamantly declares that there is no such law restricting magazine transfer. That the Dick act makes it invalid. His wife works for the atty general so he knows these things. He can order anything You like 30, 60,90 rd mags.


3. He's a class 3 dealer. He can order you a suppressor, but not a silencer. A suppressor will reduce the report of a firearm by 53%, but a silencer will reduce the report by 97%. Btw the difference (and he shouldn't be telling me this) is to take a suppressor apart and stuff the baffles with steel wool.


I almost couldn't hold a straight face. I thanked him for his time and left when someone came in to pawn some shotgun shells.


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MarkCO
10-02-2013, 12:57
Had a CPT once tell me that a .50 BMG round could cause an aneurysm if it passed within 6" of your head. I was a PV2 at the time so I kind of believed him then. Not sure about it now, but a bit more believable than tearing an arm off from a foot away.

My Dad shot "at" an antelope with a 7mm Mag many years ago. We saw the dirt splash above his head on the hillside, but he fell down dead. We walked over and could find no bullet hole anywhere. We were stumped. He tagged it, dressed it and we put it in the truck, and there was no blood inside, no holes anywhere. It was not until we got home that we realized the skull plate was fractured. While we like to say that all you have to do is get close with the 7mmMag, we think it is probable that the bullet clipped the horns and we just could not find any evidence of it.

Marine24
10-02-2013, 14:53
Reminds me of a time where we were doing goat eradication on the island of Kahoolawe in HI back in the early 80s. I shot at a goat from 100 yards and missed by 3 feet, but the goat died just the same. He was laughing so hard at my marksmanship that he fell off a cliff and died when he hit the rocks below.

R&S
10-02-2013, 18:41
http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/dickact.asp

Squeeze
10-02-2013, 23:57
Thats nothing, I have an AR16 that will kill space aliens!

That's child's play. I have an AK57, uzi, radar, triple-barrel, double-scoped, heat seeking, shotgun. That thing will slay unicorns and give Chuck Norris a run for his money.

Irving
10-03-2013, 00:06
I've got a love canon that protects children with hugs and creates jobs starting at double minimum wage. When shot into a crowd, it makes everyone it hits equal.

Arsalan
10-03-2013, 00:14
Reminds me of a time where we were doing goat eradication on the island of Kahoolawe in HI back in the early 80s. I shot at a goat from 100 yards and missed by 3 feet, but the goat died just the same. He was laughing so hard at my marksmanship that he fell off a cliff and died when he hit the rocks below.

[ROFL1]

KevDen2005
10-03-2013, 01:04
That's child's play. I have an AK57, uzi, radar, triple-barrel, double-scoped, heat seeking, shotgun. That thing will slay unicorns and give Chuck Norris a run for his money.


I see someone has been hunting a turdy point buck