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RMAC757
10-05-2013, 15:25
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/06/world/africa/mall-attack-also-involved-kenyans-official-says.html

NAIROBI, Kenya — A Navy SEAL team targeted a senior leader of the Shabab militant group in a raid on his seaside villa in the Somali town of Baraawe on Saturday, American officials said, in response to a deadly attack on a Nairobi shopping mall for which the group had claimed responsibility.
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The SEAL team stealthily approached the beachfront house by sea, firing on the unidentified target in a predawn gunbattle that was the most significant raid by American troops on Somali soil since commandos killed Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan, a Qaeda mastermind, near the same town four years ago.


The Shabab leader was believed to have been killed in the firefight, but the SEALS were forced to withdraw before that could be confirmed, a senior American official said. Such operations by American forces are rare because they carry a high risk, and indicate that the target was considered a high priority. Baraawe, a small port town south of Mogadishu, the Somali capital, is known as a gathering place for the Shabab’s foreign fighters.


“The Baraawe raid was planned a week and a half ago,” said an American security official, speaking on the condition of anonymity about a classified operation. “It was prompted by the Westgate attack,” he added, referring to the mall in Nairobi that was overrun by militants two weeks ago, leaving more than 60 dead.


Witnesses in the area described a firefight lasting over an hour, with helicopters called in for air support. A senior Somali government official who spoke on the condition of anonymity confirmed the raid, saying, “The attack was carried out by the American forces and the Somali government was pre-informed about the attack.”


A spokesman for the Shabab, which is based in Somalia, said that one of its fighters had been killed in an exchange of gunfire but that the group had beaten back the assault. American official initially reported that they had seized the Shabab leader, but later backed off of that account. The deadly assault on the Westgate shopping mall was a stark reminder of the power and reach of the Islamist group, which had a series of military setbacks in recent years and was widely viewed as weakened.


The F.B.I. sent dozens of agents to Nairobi after the shopping mall siege to help Kenyan authorities with the investigation. United States officials fear that the Shabab could attempt a similar attack on American soil, perhaps employing several of the group’s Somali-American recruits.


Another United States official said it was still unclear whether any Americans were involved in the Westgate mall episode, though there were growing indications that fewer attackers took part in the siege than the 10 to 15 militants the government had previously announced.


A spokesman for the Kenyan military said Saturday that it had identified four of the attackers from surveillance footage. Local news media reported their names as Abu Baara al-Sudani, Omar Nabhan, Khattab al-Kene and a man known only as Umayr. “I can confirm that those are the names of the terrorists,” said Maj. Emmanuel Chirchir, the spokesman.


The footage, broadcast on Kenyan television on Friday night, showed four of the attackers moving about the mall with cool nonchalance, no hint in their demeanor that they had stormed a shopping center and massacred dozens of people, much less that they feared an imminent counterassault from Kenyan security services.


One loitered in the grocery checkout aisle, talking on his cellphone. Another slouched in a storage room like a worker on break.


At least one of the four men, Mr. Nabhan, is Kenyan, and believed to be related to Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan, the Qaeda mastermind killed four years ago near Baraawe.


The elder Mr. Nabhan was a suspect in the bombing of an Israeli hotel on the Kenyan coast in 2002 and the attacks on the American Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998.


He was one of the most wanted Islamic militants in Africa when American commandos killed him in September 2009 in an audacious daytime attack. Four military helicopters shot at two trucks rumbling through the desert, killing six foreign fighters, including Mr. Nabhan, and three Somali members of the Shabab.


Mr. Nabhan was of Yemeni descent but was born in Mombasa, on Kenya’s coast. Kenyan news media reported that the younger Mr. Nabhan also came from Mombasa, and was among the Kenyans who traveled to Somalia to train and fight with the Shabab.


Matt Bryden, the former head of the United Nations Monitoring Group on Somalia and Eritrea, said the tactics used in the Westgate attack were similar to those used by the Shabab in a number of operations in Somalia this year. But he also said that local help was needed to pull off an attack on that scale, and that several of the men identified as taking part in the attack were connected to group’s Kenyan affiliate, known as Al Hijra.


“We should certainly expect Al Hijra and Al Shabab to try again,” Mr. Bryden said. “And we should expect them to have the capacity to do so.”


The raid on Saturday morning appeared to have been intended to blunt those capabilities. A witness in Baraawe said the house was known as a place where senior foreign commanders stayed, though he could not say whether they were there at the time of the attack.


The witness said 12 well-trained Shabab fighters scheduled for a mission abroad were staying there at the time of the assault. He confirmed that a Somali man was killed in the attack.


There was some confusion as to exactly what happened before sunrise on Saturday. Witnesses described the SEAL team using silencers in the initial attack, but a loud firefight afterward. Before confirmation that an American SEAL team was behind the attack, a Shabab spokesman said British and Turkish forces were involved, which both countries immediately denied.

trlcavscout
10-05-2013, 18:36
So they ran the mission with US civilians in mog who were already not safe. Probably not the best timing. Hope it was worth it and the body count is high.

Aloha_Shooter
10-05-2013, 18:42
So they ran the mission with US civilians in mog who were already not safe. Probably not the best timing. Hope it was worth it and the body count is high.

Well, O'Bummer has to prove he's manly and can stand up to someone after getting spanked over Syria and b-slapped by Putin. On the one hand, I applaud the guys who pulled off the mission, on the other hand, I have to ask what exactly the US national security interest was that we risked them in an hour-long firefight.

RMAC757
10-05-2013, 19:24
Well, O'Bummer has to prove he's manly and can stand up to someone after getting spanked over Syria and b-slapped by Putin. On the one hand, I applaud the guys who pulled off the mission, on the other hand, I have to ask what exactly the US national security interest was that we risked them in an hour-long firefight.

I was actually wondering the same thing. Maybe their was some intel that leaned towards them striking again in the near future. Those are some evil bastards and a hundred of their lives aren't worth one of our guys. In any case I applaud those teams. Those guys are straight sheepdogs.

hatidua
10-05-2013, 19:25
Have we run out of bombs at this point?

roberth
10-05-2013, 20:00
Have we run out of bombs at this point?

Nah, don't want to kill too many of Barack's friends, just a few to show the rest of Islam who is in charge.

I forgot to add that most SEALS probably support the constitution, Barack wants to eliminate those kinds of folks and putting boots on the ground is one way to accomplish that goal.

Aloha_Shooter
10-05-2013, 22:19
To be fair, the storyline is that they ordered the mission to prevent a Nairobi-style attack here in the US. I'm sure the NSC knows far more than I do but I do find it curious how many of the media scoffed at the notion it was better to fight al Qaeda in Iraq and Afghanistan than here at home but have no questions about the need to fight al Shabab in Somalia.

Rabid
10-05-2013, 23:11
How cute Barry still loves the mother land.

RMAC757
10-06-2013, 07:43
To be fair, the storyline is that they ordered the mission to prevent a Nairobi-style attack here in the US. I'm sure the NSC knows far more than I do but I do find it curious how many of the media scoffed at the notion it was better to fight al Qaeda in Iraq and Afghanistan than here at home but have no questions about the need to fight al Shabab in Somalia.

I don't think there was a lot of al Qaeda in Iraq before we paid that country a second visit. The destabilization of that country made Al Qaedas presence there possible.

buckshotbarlow
10-06-2013, 17:19
why couldn't a drone just drop a pile of love on those guys? I still don't know why we put our guys into these situations when a perfectly good hellfire or jdam could do the same thing...

mdflem51
10-06-2013, 17:58
I met a young man who was involved in Mogadishu.On a construction site working for what I would call , not the best employer... Army Ranger. Bronze Star...He talked about running out of ammo and hand to hand with fixed bayonets. My nuts are still up in my stomach.. Bless all of you..Kill them all!

MAP
10-06-2013, 19:26
why couldn't a drone just drop a pile of love on those guys? I still don't know why we put our guys into these situations when a perfectly good hellfire or jdam could do the same thing...


Never miss an opportunity for more publicity for the Pres.

Mike

tmleadr03
10-06-2013, 19:29
Not certain how this is a mater of national security.

bogie
10-06-2013, 22:10
This raid shouldn't have even hit the news. And apparently this shit didn't go down as planned. Obama is wagging the dog. Guess the shutdown didn't quite have the effect he desired after all.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Security-Watch/2013/1006/Failed-Navy-SEALs-raid-on-Somali-target-could-bolster-Al-Shabab-video


A commando unit from the US Navy’s Seal Team Six launched an amphibious raid on a Somali (http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/Somalia)town, but failed to confirm a capture or kill of their Al Shabab (http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/Al-Shabaab) target, suspected to be linked toNairobi (http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/Nairobi)’s Westgate mall terror attack. The operation could have opposite its intended result of discouraging further attacks. Analysts warn that even earlier successful targeted strikes against Al Shabab, a Somalia-based Islamist militant group, failed to curb the group's capacity to carry out international terror attacks, and that failed missions could in fact bolster its support and recruitment.The predawn raid Saturday came unstuck when the US (http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/United+States)troops were faced with heavier-than-expected return fire, and pulled out to avoid civilian casualties, two security sources said. No Americans were injured.
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Although the target was not named and officially described only as “high-value,” US officials suggested the raid was “prompted by Westgate”.
Saturday’s mission took place in Baraawe, an Al Shabab stronghold 110 miles south of Mogadishu (http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/Mogadishu), where US Special Forces carried out a daytime raid in 2009 to kill Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan, wanted in connection with earlier terrorist strikes in East Africa (http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/East+Africa).
In Saturday's raid, the commandos came ashore in speedboats and immediately focused their assault on a beachside villa where it is understood that the target had been staying, the Associated Press reported.
However a dozen Al Shabab fighters returned fire and threw grenades, a source in Mogadishu says, and the Seals’ commanders made the call to pull out to avoid civilian casualties. Helicopter gunships launched from military vessels offshore arrived to provide cover for the retreating troops, according to reports from eyewitnesses.
The target building was known as a safe house for foreign fighters who had traveled to Somalia to fight with Al Shabab. Ahmed Godane, also known as Mukhtar Abu al-Zubayr and the leader of the group’s hardline faction that claimed responsibility for the Nairobi shopping center attack, had stayed there before but it was not clear how recently.
Several Somali news sites claimed that Godane was in a nearby house but escaped, although these reports could not immediately be verified.
The US Rewards for Justice program offers a $7 million reward for information about his whereabouts. US officials in Nairobi who spoke to the Monitor, and government spokesmen in Washington, refused to confirm or deny that Godane was the raid’s target. An Al Shabab spokesman did not return emails for comment Sunday.
Several senior Al Shabab or Al Qaeda (http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/Al+Qaeda) commanders have been killed in targeted strikes inside Somalia in recent years, including Mr. Nabhan.
Fazul Mohammed, Al Qaeda’s leader in East Africa who was accused of masterminding the bombings of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, died at a Mogadishu roadblock in 2011.
“There is an obvious reason to take these guys out, but it’s been done and still you get Shabab being capable of arranging, or helping to arrange, Westgate,” says one Western security source in Nairobi who spoke anonymously because of their employer’s restrictions on speaking to the press.
“Shabab is constantly shifting. There are leaders on the ground, then guys who are kind of advisors, guys with experience of bomb-making and guerrilla tactics," he says. “If you kill one, there’s another to take over. Godane, if he was the target, would have been a big kill, but the increasingly hardline of his faction in Shabab would bounce back.”
The way that the Westgate attack took days to resolve, coupled with the failure of the US team Saturday to capture their target, would allow Al Shabab to “boast of its power” and attract new recruits, the source adds.

Gman
10-06-2013, 22:15
Just heard on the news that it was the Army's Delta Force that took these guys down.

ETA: There were 2 different targets.