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hurley842002
10-07-2013, 18:19
Discuss.....

http://www.9news.com/rss/article/358808/108/Shocking-assault-robbery-caught-on-camera

trlcavscout
10-07-2013, 18:22
Fill the body bags. Or be a victim?

speedysst
10-07-2013, 18:25
Having worked with RTD before as security, I recognize a couple of the assailants since they have nothing better to do than hang out at 30th and Downing dealing drugs and generally making a nuisance of themselves. They should have names and addresses on file.

Great-Kazoo
10-07-2013, 18:25
september 18th !!! they couldn't figure a way to lighten the suspects? At least there looks to be 1 white hispanic involved, can't wait for the bomb thrower hysteria, Oh wait there is none[Bang]

cstone
10-07-2013, 18:49
September 18, 2013, violent assault takes place in public space.

October 7, 2013, information published by 9News

I have a different definition of "new" than 9News.

How many of the assailants are already in custody? Two or three are clearly identifiable in the video.

I am surprised there haven't been more self defense shootings in downtown Denver. Maybe there have been more shootings and 9News and the other various media sources in Denver are overloaded with all of their Broncos coverage.

Be safe.

hurley842002
10-07-2013, 18:58
One more reason to have a few tools in the box. A nice sharp knife could have made those thugs' night a real terrible one...

hurley842002
10-07-2013, 19:01
September 18, 2013, violent assault takes place in public space.

October 7, 2013, information published by 9News

I have a different definition of "new" than 9News.

How many of the assailants are already in custody? Two or three are clearly identifiable in the video.

I am surprised there haven't been more self defense shootings in downtown Denver. Maybe there have been more shootings and 9News and the other various media sources in Denver are overloaded with all of their Broncos coverage.

Be safe.

Yeah, the only way I saw it was because Aurora PD just posted a "help Denver crime stoppers" status on their Facebook page.

Ah Pook
10-07-2013, 19:04
Why was that 23yo even there? Those young men were minding their own business until...oh wait, wrong thread.

Three week old new news? [facepalm]

I especially like Mr Goodwrench [beatdeadhorse] after the guy is down and out.

clublights
10-07-2013, 19:09
30th and downing.... ahhh.. the points... they may be coming up .. but 5 points will always be 5 points.

hurley842002
10-07-2013, 19:16
Three week old new news? [facepalm]

More like three week old crime, 9news just published it fresh today. Now had "things" been different, it would have been front page, and likely national....

def90
10-07-2013, 19:43
September 18, 2013, violent assault takes place in public space.

October 7, 2013, information published by 9News

I have a different definition of "new" than 9News.

How many of the assailants are already in custody? Two or three are clearly identifiable in the video.

I am surprised there haven't been more self defense shootings in downtown Denver. Maybe there have been more shootings and 9News and the other various media sources in Denver are overloaded with all of their Broncos coverage.

Be safe.

Nah.. if there was a shooting they would be all over it and might even interrupt the game.. A brutal assault? I doubt they care.

def90
10-07-2013, 19:46
FOX 31 is also just coming out with this.. What this means is that the local news no longer has anyone that monitors local crime anymore and it also means that the Police released this report because they have no idea who these people are.

ANADRILL
10-07-2013, 20:08
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Clint45
10-07-2013, 20:23
September 18, 2013, violent assault takes place in public space.

October 7, 2013, information published by 9News

I have a different definition of "new" than 9News.


Still no mention of it in the Denver Post . . .

ZERO THEORY
10-07-2013, 20:30
One more reason to have a few tools in the box. A nice sharp knife could have made those thugs' night a real terrible one...

Edged weapons are almost always going to do you more harm than good against 2+ attackers. Quick feet and a blunt object would serve you a lot better. And of course, a firearm is even better. 3rd gen G19 in OD comes to mind, but I might be biased.


Also, this is why I NEVER use public transportation unless I'm in Chicago or NY.

cstone
10-07-2013, 20:35
Still no mention of it in the Denver Post . . .

post-
a prefix, meaning “behind,” “after,” “later,” “subsequent to,” “posterior to,” occurring originally in loanwords from Latin ( postscript ), but now used freely in the formation of compound words ( post-Elizabethan; postfix; postgraduate; postorbital ).

The Denver Post is behind, after, or later, Denver. I've often felt that the Denver Post is the posterior of the region.

missionxo
10-07-2013, 20:41
It always pisses me off to see this shit. These bitches all gang up one person while people stand around acting like they didn't see anything. There is always the "I woulda" or " I shoulda" but I honestly don't think I could just stand there and watch a bunch of dirt bag punks kick the shit outta an innocent person and do nothing.

gnihcraes
10-07-2013, 20:54
Avoid public transportation after dusk in shady parts of town. (if at all possible)

Carry if you can. I'm unable to carry during the week using public transportation, because I'm not allowed to carry at work. I have no way of storing my weapon off premise until quitting time.

[Bang]

hurley842002
10-07-2013, 21:02
Edged weapons are almost always going to do you more harm than good against 2+ attackers. Quick feet and a blunt object would serve you a lot better. And of course, a firearm is even better. 3rd gen G19 in OD comes to mind, but I might be biased.


Also, this is why I NEVER use public transportation unless I'm in Chicago or NY.

With all those bystanders there, and being disoriented from the assault, let me know how multiple shots from your G19 work out for you (ya know, knowing your target and what's behind it).

We can't see the events leading up to the first punch, but me personally, I'd have never let them back me into the corner. He certainly didn't have much chance against them, but he also didn't help himself either.

ETA: in regards to the blunt object comment, I completely agree, unfortunately I don't carry a baseball bat on my person (although I should throw one in the truck, the whole toolbox thing and all).

ZERO THEORY
10-07-2013, 21:05
We can't see the events leading up to the first punch, but me personally, I'd have never let them back me into the corner.

Bingo.

kidicarus13
10-07-2013, 21:44
Baggie pants, a group vs 1 victim, after dark near 30th/Downing... meh, no surprises here.

Ah Pook
10-07-2013, 22:42
With all those bystanders there, and being disoriented from the assault, let me know how multiple shots from your G19 work out for you (ya know, knowing your target and what's behind it).
But it's a OD, Gen 3, G19. [Tooth]

hurley842002
10-07-2013, 22:51
But it's a OD, Gen 3, G19. [Tooth]

If it were an FDE G19 I'd attempt it, but otherwise I'm holding FIRM on my original post [Tooth]

RonMexico
10-07-2013, 23:15
With all those bystanders there, and being disoriented from the assault, let me know how multiple shots from your G19 work out for you (ya know, knowing your target and what's behind it).

Bystanders? Didn't you hear them say there were no witnesses..... Hell, shoot them all, I bet the neighborhood could use a little fall cleaning bc spring is too far away.
I do agree with you but than again, shoot one and the others will runaway like little girls.

Danimal
10-08-2013, 03:23
I always CC anytime I have to take public transportation. If I can't I don't go, Broncos games being the only exception that I can think of. They said that there were no witnesses, so either everyone there was involved or no one thought it was strange enough of an event to call the cops about it. Either way I am sending lead there way before I let that shit happen to myself or anyone I know.

stoner01
10-08-2013, 07:16
Having worked with RTD before as security, I recognize a couple of the assailants since they have nothing better to do than hang out at 30th and Downing dealing drugs and generally making a nuisance of themselves. They should have names and addresses on file.

I thought I was going to be the only one who had worked with RTD before. I recognize one of those males from a less lethal incident I had up there. 30th and Downing was always one of our trouble spots.

ZERO THEORY
10-08-2013, 07:56
But it's a OD, Gen 3, G19. [Tooth]


If it were an FDE G19 I'd attempt it, but otherwise I'm holding FIRM on my original post [Tooth]

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Zundfolge
10-08-2013, 08:18
Thank GOD the victim didn't have a gun or someone might have got HURT! [panic]

stoner01
10-08-2013, 08:30
Thank GOD the victim didn't have a gun or someone might have got HURT! [panic]

Im honestly surprised that he didnt. It being THAT part of town and all.

ZERO THEORY
10-08-2013, 09:12
Im honestly surprised that he didnt. It being THAT part of town and all.

Friend of mine lives on 20th and Downing a few doors down from Randall's. Never before has the phrase "the freaks come out at night" been more appropriate. Awesome location during the day, potential scene of a crime at night.

KevDen2005
10-08-2013, 10:55
I like how 9 Wants to know is all over the PD of why it took so long to get this to the media rather than help PD locate suspects. There's plenty of time to criticize the PD later, can 9 News just be helpful. Maybe is't just because I hate Kyle Clark. He's stupid. He makes it sound as if every crime will be solved within days of it being aired on 9 News. He's so annoying that I have to watch other stations. Of course the DPD rep couldn't have sounded more unready to take that question.

I hope these guys are caught. Remember everyone, be ready to take appropriate action to protect yourselves.

KevDen2005
10-08-2013, 11:04
Also, I want to point out. I did a huge report in college about train transit systems in major cities. Washington DC, by far is the safest and cleanest system at the time I did the report...about 7 years ago. A major portion of this is because of policies and design of the system. The Transit system has a dedicated police department is another major factor. Whereas our transit system goes through several jurisdictions. I am not necessarily saying that a PD is the right answer for ours, but it's food for thought. I do know it's a jurisdictional nightmare in Lone Tree or it used to be. The station platform was the County's the bridge over 25 was the City. It was ridiculous.

kidicarus13
10-08-2013, 11:40
Also, I want to point out. I did a huge report in college about train transit systems in major cities. Washington DC, by far is the safest and cleanest system at the time I did the report...about 7 years ago. A major portion of this is because of policies and design of the system. The Transit system has a dedicated police department is another major factor. Whereas our transit system goes through several jurisdictions. I am not necessarily saying that a PD is the right answer for ours, but it's food for thought. I do know it's a jurisdictional nightmare in Lone Tree or it used to be. The station platform was the County's the bridge over 25 was the City. It was ridiculous.

RTD has a dedicated police department.

BushMasterBoy
10-08-2013, 11:41
In the OP the video is gone? Maybe they caught one of the attackers?

KevDen2005
10-08-2013, 11:42
RTD has a dedicated police department.


No they don't, they have a security force that will call for criminal enforcement to the jurisdiction they are in.

KevDen2005
10-08-2013, 11:43
Unless I missed something recently.

BushMasterBoy
10-08-2013, 11:46
http://www.usacops.com/co/p80202/

stoner01
10-08-2013, 11:48
RTD does have a small POST certified LE group. Mostly though, the uniformed presence you might see on the light rail and downtown are G4S employees. All are prior LE but not nesecarilly a credentialed police officer.

KevDen2005
10-08-2013, 11:51
http://www.usacops.com/co/p80202/


Their website doesn't have tons of info. Just out of curiosity how big are they and why do they use a different uniformed presence, as Stoner pointed out? I have never heard of these guys at all and I am just curious what their function is when local jurisdictions handle things on RTD trains and such.

kidicarus13
10-08-2013, 11:55
No they don't, they have a security force that will call for criminal enforcement to the jurisdiction they are in.

That's news to me. RTD employs a Police Chief and a Police Commander but they are not a police department ???
http://www3.rtd-denver.com/elbert/jobManager/External/Job_Search_View_Page.cfm?Job_Desc_ID=242&Department=Safety,%20Security%20and%20Facilities&Division=Transit%20Police

Duties & Responsibilities:Essential:
Enforces Colorado State law through observation, patrol, citations and arrests, as needed.
Performs investigations relating to theft, violence in the workplace, crimes on RTD property, and crimes against patrons and employees. Processes crime scenes and performs evidence collection and analysis.

KevDen2005
10-08-2013, 11:57
That's news to me. RTD employs a Police Chief and a Police Commander but they are not a police department ???
http://www3.rtd-denver.com/elbert/jobManager/External/Job_Search_View_Page.cfm?Job_Desc_ID=242&Department=Safety,%20Security%20and%20Facilities&Division=Transit%20Police

Duties & Responsibilities:Essential:
Enforces Colorado State law through observation, patrol, citations and arrests, as needed.
Performs investigations relating to theft, violence in the workplace, crimes on RTD property, and crimes against patrons and employees. Processes crime scenes and performs evidence collection and analysis.



I think you should read the immediate previous posts.

That being said, my question remains. How come they don't do enforcement action within other jurisdictions? I have seen regular local police do it.

BushMasterBoy
10-08-2013, 11:58
Article here you guys can decipher? http://www.denverpost.com/ci_18219728

KevDen2005
10-08-2013, 12:01
Also, when I refer to criminal action I mean anything other than fare violations. Sorry for not pointing that out earlier.

stoner01
10-08-2013, 12:13
The fare evasion article is two years old. When I left last year, it was entirely done by the transit security guys (G4S). DPD will occasionally do fare checks but the day to day responses are done by the security guys. We are dispatched to all calls for service or observed crimes or activity, but you have to realize tht we ride the trains just like everyone else. Usually local PD gets there sooner so that is why you see them responding. And as a side note, the RTD PD guys are pretty much investigators. They handle any assaults or theft or vadalism. And when someone gets hit by a bus or train. All calls Ive responded to.

KevDen2005
10-08-2013, 12:15
The fare evasion article is two years old. When I left last year, it was entirely done by the transit security guys (G4S). DPD will occasionally do fare checks but the day to day responses are done by the security guys. We are dispatched to all calls for service or observed crimes or activity, but you have to realize tht we ride the trains just like everyone else. Usually local PD gets there sooner so that is why you see them responding. And as a side note, the RTD PD guys are pretty much investigators. They handle any assaults or theft or vadalism. And when someone gets hit by a bus or train. All calls Ive responded to.


So what is their actual jurisdiction? Just the train, train and platform, or all RTD property?

stoner01
10-08-2013, 12:19
RTD property. Light rail stations and right of way, rolling stock . Also the bus terminals, stops and busses themselves. Some parking facilities. Even Union Terminal is ours.

kidicarus13
10-08-2013, 12:22
RTD property. Light rail stations and right of way, rolling stock . Also the bus terminals, stops and busses themselves. Some parking facilities. Even Union Terminal is ours.

Thanks for the clarification.

KevDen2005
10-08-2013, 12:24
RTD property. Light rail stations and right of way, rolling stock . Also the bus terminals, stops and busses themselves. Some parking facilities. Even Union Terminal is ours.

Is it a news reporting flaw when they refer to DPD on the trains doing enforcement or is it something joint?

stoner01
10-08-2013, 12:28
It can be joint. I know when I worked there they would do fare sweeps as PC for getting the druggies and such off the trains. It was usually DPD on an extra duty. We also had an On duty DPD car to effect arrests for us if we needed to. That being sinse the majority of the RTD network was in Denver propper.

KevDen2005
10-08-2013, 12:30
It can be joint. I know when I worked there they would do fare sweeps as PC for getting the druggies and such off the trains. It was usually DPD on an extra duty. We also had an On duty DPD car to effect arrests for us if we needed to. That being sinse the majority of the RTD network was in Denver propper.

Thanks for the info. There isn't a ton of stuff out there about RTD PD or operations.

stoner01
10-08-2013, 12:34
There isnt because we dont want you to know ;-). Its really just because its a small operation. Its like any metro commuter system though. RTD PD is only like six dudes. The backbone is the contracted security and off duty LEOs.

stoner01
10-08-2013, 12:35
If you want to look into it, maybe try G4S and RTD. Transit Security. those type of things.

KevDen2005
10-08-2013, 12:39
Thanks, the point of my earlier comment was neither in support or to oppose a transit PT, but at the time of my report, DC Metro Transit PD had approximately 750 Officers and they conducted all enforcement in two states and the District of Columbia.

stoner01
10-08-2013, 12:49
I guess denver just isnt that big. or would rather let the individual agencies handle the bulk of calls. Either way, im still pissed it took so long to get the news out.

clublights
10-08-2013, 13:20
Not sure why everyone is "mad it took so long for the news to report"

An assault like this is not news.. this shit happens every day.

the reason this had made news now is that DPD has no leads so they need help .

speedysst
10-08-2013, 13:41
I worked a mobile unit for a few months before they changed over to Allied Barton. 30th was a good place to hang out and observe because it was a problem area and it was close to some of the calls on Colfax for the drunks.
I thought I was going to be the only one who had worked with RTD before. I recognize one of those males from a less lethal incident I had up there. 30th and Downing was always one of our trouble spots.

clublights
10-08-2013, 17:05
Just as I said ...



the cops didn't "release the alert" till yesterday.

So the Media posted as soon as they knew about it ....


http://kdvr.com/2013/10/08/chief-white-police-waited-too-long-to-release-video-of-light-rail-beating/

Squeeze
10-08-2013, 18:21
I am a Public Safety Tech for RTD Transit Police. The video you saw was me on the stick. Not sure why DPD took so long to release the video, but the night of the incident one suspect was arrested. I was told he lawyered up right away. I was actually on the phone with DPD Dispatch when I saw the incident start to unfold. Response time was almost immediate. Now people know why I don't frequent that part of town...any time of day.

stoner01
10-09-2013, 10:59
I am a Public Safety Tech for RTD Transit Police. The video you saw was me on the stick. Not sure why DPD took so long to release the video, but the night of the incident one suspect was arrested. I was told he lawyered up right away. I was actually on the phone with DPD Dispatch when I saw theincident start unfold. Response time was almost immediate. Now people know why I don't frequent that part of town...any time of day.

Damn, We really are anywhere and everywhere.

Squeeze
10-09-2013, 15:24
Damn, We really are anywhere and everywhere.

Yep. Three of us in the RTD Transit Police Command Center are on the board here.

I find it funny that not many people realized that RTD had an actual commissioned police department. It is very small and the majority of police activity you see on the rails & buses are contract cops (Denver, Aurora & Lakewood). Our fare enforcement/security team is run by Allied Barton now. Seems to be a much better company than G4S. During large events such as Rockies & Broncos games you will see RTD Transit Police on the platforms, often accompanying DHS agents. My role as a Public Safety Tech is monitoring cameras, video investigations, dispatching, answering phones, & other nonsense no one cares about. So...if you decide to be a dumbass on our property, me or one of my team members will be watching. Oh, and if you fall down our escalator at Market Street Station, we will be watching and laughing. [panic]

Dave_L
10-09-2013, 15:45
Yep. Three of us in the RTD Transit Police Command Center are on the board here.

I find it funny that not many people realized that RTD had an actual commissioned police department. It is very small and the majority of police activity you see on the rails & buses are contract cops (Denver, Aurora & Lakewood). Our fare enforcement/security team is run by Allied Barton now. Seems to be a much better company than G4S. During large events such as Rockies & Broncos games you will see RTD Transit Police on the platforms, often accompanying DHS agents. My role as a Public Safety Tech is monitoring cameras, video investigations, dispatching, answering phones, & other nonsense no one cares about. So...if you decide to be a dumbass on our property, me or one of my team members will be watching. Oh, and if you fall down our escalator at Market Street Station, we will be watching and laughing. [panic]

Whats the funniest thing you've seen?

Squeeze
10-09-2013, 16:07
Whats the funniest thing you've seen?

A patron who fell while trying to get on the escalators going up to the 16th Street Mall at Market Street Station. He had a bag of popcorn in his hand when he fell and when he went down, all you see is this massive "popcorn shower" coming down as the escalator took him for a ride. I laughed pretty damn hard on that one.

Great-Kazoo
10-09-2013, 17:10
Not sure why everyone is "mad it took so long for the news to report"

An assault like this is not news.. this shit happens every day.

the reason this had made news now is that DPD has no leads so they need help .

The reason is delay time frame. Needing public's assistance, when at least 1 board member says they have had contact with a few of the pictured before .
This is like the 16th street mall unrelated assaults. Until it went public the DPD was quiet.

sic_semper_tyrannis
10-09-2013, 17:22
Count me in the "why is this news?" category. This stuff happens ALL THE TIME. It is not news. Not sure why it caused such a kerfuffle on the local media sewage reports. Hell, they even got the DPD chief to mumble out some sort of apology... maybe the victim was a news producer's nephew or something.