This explains alot about why America is where it is Today

[Mtn.man]

http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2013/10/americans-are-way-behind-in-math-vocabulary-and-technology/280413/

[roberth]

Yeah well the self-esteem is high so it's all good. :)

[Great-Kazoo]

OMG .....NFW

[Bailey Guns]

NFW...R U SRS?

[Irving]

TL;DR

[Great-Kazoo]

NFW...R U SRS?

LOL IM RUFKM

[Dave]

Yeah, I usually have to hear my grandmother complain that all the doctors she sees now are either arab or asian. The State Dept is also being asked to increase the number visas for skilled workers in engineering, medicine and science due to a lack of domestic workers.

[mountainjenny]

I had to look up a few of those acronyms. Need more internet and texting time I guess.

[Madeinhb]

Is this a shock? All starts in schools and look at the common core crap out government forces people to teach.

[generalmeow]

I always try to remember this when I argue with you guys.

[hatidua]

But, wait........every education-themed discussion I see on any online gun forum insists that teachers are overpaid & higher education is a waste of time! The interwebs simply can't be wrong! [Rant1]

[RblDiver]

But, wait........every education-themed discussion I see on any online gun forum insists that teachers are overpaid & higher education is a waste of time! The interwebs simply can't be wrong! [Rant1]

Higher pay != smarter people, and "higher ed" isn't for everyone. I don't think a degree in Women's Studies helps anyone.

[BushMasterBoy]

Football is more important than math! Cheerleading is more important than science! This what I learned in American school...

[ChunkyMonkey]

But, wait........every education-themed discussion I see on any online gun forum insists that teachers are overpaid & higher education is a waste of time! The interwebs simply can't be wrong! [Rant1]

IMHO, Japanese education system is a great example of high learning standard with much less creativity, leadership, and entrepreneurship. It's more cultural thing... why Brazil with it's abundant natural resources, descent human resources is still decades if not ions from being a developed country. Why a small country island like Singapore encourage a few years worth of real world experience over a bachelor degree by the time you are 22.

I believe in American exceptionalism. While education has NEVER been American's top field, the free market allows anyone with the courage and willingness to start his/her own business/ pursuit of his/her dream to succeed. When you were in Indonesia, did you notice how many engineers, phd are so good with theories/studies/books yet when it comes to real life experience, a handyman or a machine operator out of US can out think them in problem solving?

Hence the last paragraph of the linked article...


While older American adults (aged 55-65) scored better than any other country, young adults did just the opposite: They were the most computer-challenged of the 20 participating countries (p. 110).

[Kmanbay]

We keep turning out lazy, egotistical retards and some people wonder what the problem is. ARRGGGG

[RblDiver]

We keep turning out lazy, egotistical retards and some people wonder what the problem is. ARRGGGG

But at least we feel good about ourselves! /sarc

[BushMasterBoy]

Recent, local, and fine example of our students today... http://www.chieftain.com/news/pueblo/1915484-120/fire-hall-pueblo-cunningham

[Bailey Guns]

I had to look up a few of those acronyms. Need more internet and texting time I guess.

I had to look all of them up to post that. Don't feel bad. I've never posted a tweet.

[Bailey Guns]

I always try to remember this when I argue with you guys.

I'll probably need therapy and a band aid because I rarely agree with you... But that was funny.

[davsel]

This is not a "survey" in which we want to rank highly.
The OECD is a Progressive Global Economy group of pricks based out of Paris. Their "survey" agenda is purely political.

From the Forward to the survey report: http://www.oecd.org/site/piaac/Skills%20volume%201%20(eng)--full%20v8--eBook%20(01%2010%202013).pdf

(Emphasis Mine)
If there is one central message emerging from this new survey, it is that what people know and what they do with what
they know has a major impact on their life chances. The median hourly wage of workers who can make complex
inferences and evaluate subtle truth claims or arguments in written texts is more than 60% higher than for workers who
can, at best, read relatively short texts to locate a single piece of information. Those with low literacy skills are also more
than twice as likely to be unemployed. The survey also shows that how literacy skills are distributed across a population
has significant implications on how economic and social outcomes are distributed within the society. If large proportions
of adults have low reading and numeracy skills, introducing and disseminating productivity-improving technologies
and work-organisation practices can therefore be hampered. But the impact of skills goes far beyond earnings and
employment. In all countries, individuals with lower proficiency in literacy are more likely than those with better
literacy skills to report poor health, to believe that they have little impact on political processes, and not to participate in
associative or volunteer activities. In most countries, they are also less likely to trust others.

These results, and results from future rounds of the survey, will inform much of the analysis contained in subsequent
editions of the Outlook. The Outlook will build on the extensive body of OECD work in education and training, including
findings from its Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) and its policy reviews of vocational education
and training, and its work on skills, particularly the Skills Strategy – the integrated, cross-government framework developed
by experts across the Organisation to help countries understand more about how to invest in skills in ways that will
transform lives and drive economies. The OECD Skills Outlook will show us where we are, where we need to be, and
how to get there if we want to be fully engaged citizens in a global economy.


To me, it appears that a low score denotes independent thinking.
No wonder Japan ranks highly across the survey.
Take note of the politics of each nation in the survey and how they are arranged in the results.

[Mtn.man]

100 years ago:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/rare-test-1912-shows-students-quizzed-article-1.1425918

[BushMasterBoy]

The three branches of government are, corporate, military and Hollywood...

[BREATHER]

And they all vote Democrap. Where I work everyone is in such a state of denial about this AND they think it is funny. The Dems legalize weed so below average graduates/drop outs can stay home AND stay high and vote Dem. The Dems give all kinds of subintelligence humans a entitlement check of some sort so they can stay home, not work and stay high. OH YEAH and vote Democrat. We're fucked......

[SuperiorDG]

I'm sorry I couldn't understand any of that report and the graphs were way over my head.

[clodhopper]

100 years ago:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/rare-test-1912-shows-students-quizzed-article-1.1425918To be fair, they had less History to memorize.[Sarcasm2]

[Monky]

I dunt git it. I math gudz

[Great-Kazoo]

I had to look all of them up to post that. Don't feel bad. I've never posted a tweet.

I made 1/2 them up . NFK (No Fukin Kidding) )

[tmleadr03]

The world wide comparisons are really apples to oranges. Many of those countries only test the best they have to skew the results.

[Kmanbay]

I read an article not too long ago, the premise was subsidizing people with low IQ’s and high birth rates caused a negative impact on the long term survival of the human race.

The idea went something like: A large percentage of industrialized highly motivated intelligent people in the world have smaller families; often 1-2 children and lower IQ less ambitious people tend to have much larger families 4-8 children.

Over a period of the time the lower IQ group will get larger and larger, because they continue to have multiple large generations of children, these families continue to grow because there is no pressure relief valve to stop the growth.
As long as you and I pay for their medical bills, give them food, housing, day care, spending money and increase their financial well being each time they have another child there is a disincentive to behave like the responsible group.

In the natural order of things families take care of one another to the best of their ability giving their future generations the best start they can through their own works. The problem with this/our system is I can no longer give as much to my family as I have earned, and they deserve, because I have to pay child support to people I don’t even know and probably wouldn’t like anyhow.

[tmleadr03]

I read an article not too long ago, the premise was subsidizing people with low IQ’s and high birth rates caused a negative impact on the long term survival of the human race.

The idea went something like: A large percentage of industrialized highly motivated intelligent people in the world have smaller families; often 1-2 children and lower IQ less ambitious people tend to have much larger families 4-8 children.

Over a period of the time the lower IQ group will get larger and larger, because they continue to have multiple large generations of children, these families continue to grow because there is no pressure relief valve to stop the growth.
As long as you and I pay for their medical bills, give them food, housing, day care, spending money and increase their financial well being each time they have another child there is a disincentive to behave like the responsible group.

In the natural order of things families take care of one another to the best of their ability giving their future generations the best start they can through their own works. The problem with this/our system is I can no longer give as much to my family as I have earned, and they deserve, because I have to pay child support to people I don’t even know and probably wouldn’t like anyhow.

I saw that movie.

[68Charger]

I saw that movie.
LOL,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBvIweCIgwk


More info on common core to make you want to take kids out of the public school system:
http://www.examiner.com/article/common-core-assignment-remove-two-amendments-from-outdated-bill-of-rights