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My husband just bought a LAR-15 A4 pistol. My question is this: He's mentioned something about wanting to remove the receiver extension and installing a buttstock, I can't seem to find one made for the pistol. Can I put one on there anyway? Maybe one made for something else? Please help
It would then be considered an SBR <---see NFA rules.
The Lower would have to be registered as an SBR (Short Barreled Rifle).
Ok. I looked up SBR. Does that mean it's illegal. Or can it be done anyway?
Ok. I looked up SBR. Does that mean it's illegal. Or can it be done anyway?
If it's not a registered SBR, it's not legal.
Edit: It can be done so long as you and the Hubby dont mind jail time and Court Fees.
Thank you for the direct answer.
yeah it is possible. here is what you need to do and what you are going to be looking at for cost.
first, find out who your local sherrif or chief of police is and if they will sign off on class 3 items (call and ask the secretary or the CLEO themselves). If that doesn't work, you need to buy quicken Willmaker and create a revocable living trust. The trust can legally own the Short barreled rifle and requires no sign off from the CLEO who doesn't understand what he is really signing off when he would allow your husband to have a National Firearms Act (NFA) item---the SBR.
Then you will need to go to the BATFE website and download the Form 1 for making your own short barreled rifle. You have to get it signed off or have your trust included with the paperwork when you send it it. You will also have to pay a $200 tax stamp. wait about 3.5-4 months and as long as it gets approved, you get your tax stamp in the mail. Then you take the lower receiver to someone who can engrave his name or the name of the trust (depending on the way you did it) which will probably cost anywhere from $50-100. Now that the receiver has been engraved you are legally allowed to own a short barreled rifle.
Now the question is, since it is registered as an AR pistol, I don't think you can put a buttstock on their even with the tax stamp because it is registered as a pistol and you are turning it into a rifle. That is a question for someone with more knowledge than me to answer, or you can read all the ATF rules and regulations and see what you can figure out for yourself...but remember they aren't too good at making things clear, can reverse their decision on some poor guy trying to do the right thing and then send him to jail for several years.
What I would recommend is to sell the pistol (let me know first[Beer])
go out and buy a AR-15 rifle (you can actually get one that is a factory SBR) and apply for the tax stamp through the ATF. Then it will definitely be legal and no worries will be necessary.
You can also go to a Class 3 dealer and they will work with you on the paperwork and maybe the engravings and everything you have questions on. While you are there, buy yourself a suppressor.
People to talk to that are class 3 dealers:
Jensen Arms in loveland
Dragon Man arms in colorado springs
Machine Gun tours--alan samuel near windsor
Nelson Trumbull-- down in aurora 303-909-6366
there are others as well that you can look up.
post if you have more questions!
I do however have a question for you. It says you are in Ohio.
Obviosuly you are welcome to come and ask questions and figure things out, but this is a local Colorado board. I am sure they have one in Ohio as well. Or go to ar15.com and they are everywhere there.
did you research this any or what was your reason for joining this place to instantly ask about a short barreled rifle from a pistol?
I just ask because every once in a while we get someone from the ATF who decides he/she wants to go fishing for information and finds someone who would be willing to do something illegal and then puts them behind bars and ruins their life when they were just trying to be regular law abiding citizens. And we don't take too kindly to them coming here.
I spent some time looking onto it yesterday, and had no success. He just got the pistol Sat. I wasn't sure if it's illegal or not. We already have a AR15 rifle. And, I'm on this site because when I googled AR-15 forums this is one of the 1st ones to come up.
okay cool. thanks for the update.
I would say leave the pistol alone. Go and take the rifle in and make it into a short barreled rifle. this is much better, definitely legal when you follow all the steps and they look amazing when they are done. The shorter barrel does wonders for home defense and maneuverability.
Google class 3 dealers in your local area and find someone there to talk with and find out about getting a sign off from your local chief or sherrif.
good luck[Beer]
Thank you for all the info.[Beer]
Now the question is, since it is registered as an AR pistol, I don't think you can put a buttstock on their even with the tax stamp because it is registered as a pistol and you are turning it into a rifle. That is a question for someone with more knowledge than me to answer, or you can read all the ATF rules and regulations and see what you can figure out for yourself...but remember they aren't too good at making things clear, can reverse their decision on some poor guy trying to do the right thing and then send him to jail for several years.
I don't believe you can convert the pistol lower legally (could be wrong), you can get a virgin lower (NEVER had a butt stock installed<--this is very important) and have it registered as the SBR, wait until the paperwork is done and then throw the pistol upper (or a factory SBR upper), and a butstock on it and call it done. Or as Sniper said you can just pick up a factory fresh SBR.
reminder: it is everyone's individual responsibility to follow the law. Keep that in mind with anything you read on this site.
HunterCO
03-02-2009, 18:29
So, it is possible?
You would have to register the reciever as an SBR with ATF. Once you recieve back your approved form it would then be legal to put a stock on it. It will cost you a $200 tax stamp.
My advice is to research NFA laws and do some reading on the process. If you have any specific questions post in the NFA fourm on this site and we can help.
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