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ChadAmberg
10-16-2013, 10:29
Seen this yet?
http://www.ncgunblog.com/2013/07/07/how-north-carolina-receives-carpetbaggers-gabby-giffords-and-mark-kelly/

Key quote:

That is a photo of the private jet Gabby and Mark flew around in. It’s a $25,000,000 Candair Challenger CL-600. It’s owned by Montfort Aviation, which is owned by the Montfort brothers. Charlie Montfort owns the Colorado Rockies baseball team. It must be nice to have such generous friends to fly you all across the USA to push for further infringements on our rights.
def90
10-16-2013, 10:41
Montfort blows.. it's reflected in the performance of his baseball team. Anyone see the addition he is building onto the stadium yet he can't pay for a half way decent team?

Both Reps and Dems want to abolish guns, Mark and Gabby were special guests at the Bush compound as well. The writing is on the wall, voting a party line thinking you are doing the right thing is going to screw you in the end.
Ronin13
10-16-2013, 16:25
Good thing Helton retired, now I really don't feel like spending money going to a game to support this freedom hater.
Hitman 6
10-16-2013, 17:38
My dad hangs out with Dick all the time, the plane in the photo was traded/sold for another one some time ago. Everyone calm down.
trlcavscout
10-16-2013, 19:19
Maybe it will crash and we can outlaw dangerous airplanes.
def90
10-16-2013, 19:32
My dad hangs out with Dick all the time, the plane in the photo was traded/sold for another one some time ago. Everyone calm down.

Interesting that the registration hasn't changed.. In the airplane world I would think that these things are updated rather quickly in order to be labeled airworthy?

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/N643CR.html

http://www.airframes.org/reg/n643cr
Ridge
10-16-2013, 19:40
Interesting that the registration hasn't changed.. In the airplane world I would think that these things are updated rather quickly in order to be labeled airworthy?

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/N643CR.html

http://www.airframes.org/reg/n643cr

Those are private websites, not affiliated with the FAA or NTSB. It's likely that they will keep the old information until someone presents updated info.
sniper7
10-16-2013, 21:59
Good thing Helton retired, now I really don't feel like spending money going to a game to support this freedom hater.

I'm just hoping me and him can grab a beer some time
sniper7
10-16-2013, 22:03
oh, and N643CR flew from APA to MOT on 10/3/13. still based out of KAPA. still registered to Monfront Aviation LLC.
Great-Kazoo
10-16-2013, 22:12
Montfort blows.. it's reflected in the performance of his baseball team. Anyone see the addition he is building onto the stadium yet he can't pay for a half way decent team?

Both Reps and Dems want to abolish guns, Mark and Gabby were special guests at the Bush compound as well. The writing is on the wall, voting a party line thinking you are doing the right thing is going to screw you in the end.

Actually he inhales. OOPS thats charlie [or was] not Dick.


My dad hangs out with Dick all the time, the plane in the photo was traded/sold for another one some time ago. Everyone calm down.

Great to know, Now get us an invite to their hacienda down the road from me. You can't miss it. It's the metropolis lit up like The City of Lights.
That's Paris for the geographically challenged.
RMAC757
10-17-2013, 12:00
oh, and N643CR flew from APA to MOT on 10/3/13. still based out of KAPA. still registered to Monfront Aviation LLC.

Good chance that if were sold it was from the Monforts to Monfort Aviation. This would allow the A/C to be operated on demand as a charter.
sniper7
10-17-2013, 12:58
Good chance that if were sold it was from the Monforts to Monfort Aviation. This would allow the A/C to be operated on demand as a charter.

very true, or it has always belonged to monfront avaition llc and they have always used it as a charter.
def90
10-17-2013, 15:00
Good chance that if were sold it was from the Monforts to Monfort Aviation. This would allow the A/C to be operated on demand as a charter.

I have several clients that own jets.. None of them personally own them, they are all owned by such and such Aviation LLC.. and so on. Same thing with their homes, they all rent from some property management company. I doubt they were ever under the Montforts name as far as ownership goes, way to much legal and tax liability. If the plane goes down whoever is on it at the time can only go after the aviation company.
RMAC757
10-17-2013, 18:27
I use to fly for a family that owned a couple of Jets ( Hawkers ). These aircraft were owned by the family, not a business. The trend over the last decade or so is to use jet management companies. I have no doubt the Monforts are smart enough to utilize a separate entity to "own" and control their aircraft, especially if other people are flown aboard for liability reasons. Everyone knows corporate pilots suck...[Neene2]...just kiddin



I have several clients that own jets.. None of them personally own them, they are all owned by such and such Aviation LLC.. and so on. Same thing with their homes, they all rent from some property management company. I doubt they were ever under the Montforts name as far as ownership goes, way to much legal and tax liability. If the plane goes down whoever is on it at the time can only go after the aviation company.
anaphylaxis
10-17-2013, 18:36
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Inquiry.aspx

Serial Number 1055 Status Valid
Manufacturer Name CANADAIR LTD Certificate Issue Date 12/14/2000
Model CL-600 CHALLENGER Expiration Date 06/30/2016
Type Aircraft Fixed Wing Multi-Engine Type Engine Turbo-fan
Pending Number Change None Dealer No
Date Change Authorized None Mode S Code (base 8 / oct) 52070242
MFR Year 1982 Mode S Code (base 16 / hex) A870A2
Type Registration Corporation Fractional Owner NO
Registered Owner
Name MONFORT AVIATION LLC
Street 134 OAK ST

City EATON State COLORADO
County WELD Zip Code 80615
Country UNITED STATES
Airworthiness
Engine Manufacturer LYCOMING Classification Standard
Engine Model ALF-502 SER. Category Transport
A/W Date 05/28/1997
8Ring
10-19-2013, 08:52
How do you know that Monfort let the Giffords use the plane for free? Monfort could just as well have leased the plane to whatever group sponsored the Giffords' trip.

Chris
Jeffrey Lebowski
10-19-2013, 11:06
The writing is on the wall, voting a party line thinking you are doing the right thing is going to screw you in the end.

There are clearly anti-gun republicans.
But does anyone know of any pro-gun dems? Yeah, Harry Reid blows a lot of smoke with the NRA, but truly pro-gun libs?
def90
11-05-2013, 22:25
Charlie Montfort shuttling anti gunners around on his jet while he's out drinking and driving..

http://kdvr.com/2013/11/05/colorado-rockies-co-owner-arrested-on-dui-charges/
def90
11-05-2013, 22:25
There are clearly anti-gun republicans.
But does anyone know of any pro-gun dems? Yeah, Harry Reid blows a lot of smoke with the NRA, but truly pro-gun libs?

Have you been to Missouri, Kentucky or Tennessee? They have all recently passed pro gun laws that were heavily backed by Dems.
Jeffrey Lebowski
11-06-2013, 09:19
No, I make it a habit to stay out of those places.