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davsel
10-25-2013, 09:18
From: Karl Denninger's "The Market Ticker" site: http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=225405

There Is Only ONE Peaceful Path Left To Avoid Destruction

Folks, if you have read me recently you know that I've said that you are the problem and that the reason this is true is that you won't go on strike, you won't picket DC and refuse to leave until the government stops stealing from you and debasing the currency, you won't reduce your spending and income to only that which provides necessities, and most of you go on to justify your behavior with "my kids (and/or family) deserve what I can provide."

You're fools and I'm going to prove it.

Further, I'm going to prove -- by arithmetic -- that if you follow the above path you will destroy yourself along with your children and grandchildren.

Here's why. (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/census-bureau-means-tested-govt-benefit-recipients-outnumber-full)

"There were 108,592,000 people in the United States in the fourth quarter of 2011 who were recipients of one or more means-tested government benefit programs, the Census Bureau said in data released this week. Meanwhile, according to the Census Bureau, there were 101,716,000 people who worked full-time year round in 2011. That included both private-sector and government workers."



None of the people getting means-tested government benefits will ever vote to reduce them, nor vote for any politician that will reduce them.

But it's factually much worse than it first appears because federal government workers will not vote to fire themselves either, just as the 17th Amendment (ed: The worst thing to ever happen to this country) is inviolate because The Senate willnever vote to fire itself.

So we must in fact subtract 21,880,000 (http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/USGOVT/) from the full-time worker count.

In other words you're outvoted by 36%.

Does it make sense yet? This is not a small margin and it cannot be politically reversed because the margins are too high. Were the skew relatively small (and it looks small until you subtract out federal workers) you could potentially do so, because some people won't vote and you could "motivate the base." But note that with the federal workers out, and we're not subtracting the State workers, which also exist on this same largesse, you can't get there because this means nearly 40% of those receiving such benefits would have to stay home when reductions are proposed, and they never will.

As such you cannot vote your way out of this.

You cannot politically organize your way out of this.

You can't do it in the Democrat Party and you can't do it in the Republican Party. Nor can you do it in a third party.

Every single person who argues otherwise is an idiot or worse, a fraudster (if they have run the numbers above.)

Delusions persist because people don't examine the facts in detail. I recognize that I participated in attempting to politically change things for far too long because I did not look, in detail, at the math.

But I can no longer make any logical argument that political activism is useful in any way, shape or form. It is a waste of energy, time and money that I can expend elsewhere on something that brings me more joy, rather than tilting at windmills.

There is only one remaining peaceful way to change things: Withdraw your consent and thus intentionally but peacefully and lawfully destabilize the underpinning of the government debt market, thereby denying the government the means to continue screwing you, your children and grandchildren irrespective of the vote count.

The only other choices remaining are consenting to your own economic death, along with that of your children and grandchildren, or violence.

If you claim that you will "get yours" for "your kids" (or your spouse, or just yourself) you're deluding yourself as the odds are that (1) you will fail and (2) even if you "succeed" the victory will be both temporary and pyrrhic as you cannot overcome the voting block deficiency.

In short, read this Ticker again (http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=225292) in light of the above mathematical facts.

Then act, or not, but the math doesn't care if you agree with it or not.

kidicarus13
10-25-2013, 09:23
Thanks, now I need a drink or 3.

osok-308
10-25-2013, 09:51
Man, it's true. I feel like i just got a swift kick in the backside.

Zundfolge
10-25-2013, 13:07
The only flaw in his thinking is that 100% of people that receive any form of government assistance will always vote for larger government and/or against smaller government. The truth is that a LOT of Americans that receive small amounts of government assistance would still vote for small government conservatives and a sizable percentage of those that receive large amounts of government assistance don't vote at all (either out of apathy or due to felony convictions).

But other than that he's right, our best (but not only) bet at non-violent change in America is a general strike ... which is not likely to ever happen.

dan512
10-25-2013, 14:26
Every single person who argues otherwise is an idiot or worse, a fraudster (if they have run the numbers above.)

This pisses me off a little bit. Just because this guy can't think of any other possible solutions anyone who might propose another idea is an idiot.
I see his numbers, what he isn't counting is voters, or non-voters. He isn't factoring in elected politicians who promise one thing and do another (shocking I know). There are thousands of other factors that contribute to other solutions.
I understand and agree with his general sentiment, but let's not pretend that there are no options.
Just my .02

Justin
10-28-2013, 09:46
I find his use of bold, italic, and underlined text convincing.

Jeffrey Lebowski
10-28-2013, 18:44
I find his use of bold, italic, and underlined text convincing.

lol

Ronin13
10-29-2013, 14:02
One issue I take up with that is the fact that he just lumps all .gov employees in the group that "will never vote to reduce the size and scope of government." Same with those who receive benefits. Granted, most gov employees and welfare (and related) recipients are likely to keep government growing, but there are exceptions to everything. The author likes to paint with the same brush, much like saying "all federal employees are democrats," which just is not true.

Kraven251
10-29-2013, 15:16
We are outvoted by 36%. As long as we have 3%, we have a chance.

<MADDOG>
10-29-2013, 18:54
Unfortunately, I have a hard time believing we will not end up like Greece, Cyprus, Argentina, etc.

Long story short; the "problem" will be self-correcting; but not necessarily in a "peaceful" manner.

davsel
10-30-2013, 13:14
A related post from Ann Barnhardt:

Machiavelli: Now in 4-D! (http://www.barnhardt.biz/2013/10/29/machiavelli-now-in-4-d/)

So a friend gave me a copy of Niccolo Machiavelli’s “The Prince” a while back since I had to give away my library. Thus reads the hand-printed inscription:

Dear Ann,
I think that we can easily suffer the loss of many goods, but never that of a good library – not easily at any rate. Please allow me to make this small contribution. By way of explaining the choice I should add that a horrible human being, by the name of Sun Tzu (had Old Nick [Machiavelli] here known of him, he would have been greatly admired,) wrote: “If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles.” It is good advice despite of who gives it.

Yes. People see a potentially Machiavellian character in me. This is a legitimate worry. There is nothing more dangerous in this world than an intelligent person who can speak well before large groups, is a natural leader, and who JUST WANTS TO HELP.

C.S. Lewis said it best:
“Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive.”

Yup. This is why I have crowned myself Empress of the Calcified Deuce. You may call me “La Deuce”. This is my crest:
http://www.barnhardt.biz/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/2-of-hearts-288x300.jpg (http://www.barnhardt.biz/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/2-of-hearts.jpg)
And this is me holding my Royal Mace:
http://www.barnhardt.biz/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/mace-225x300.jpg (http://www.barnhardt.biz/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/mace.jpg)
Niccolo Machiavelli was a politician (read psychopath rat-bastid) in Florence in the 16th century. ”The Prince” was a letter written to the Medici family as a handbook for being rotten, rat-bastid oligarchs without the unwashed masses ever catching on.

DOES THIS SOUND FAMILIAR??
“The Prince” is pretty much the playbook for Jacobin-Marxist-Leninist-Stalinist-Gramsci-Alinsky-Obamaist milieu. If you want to understand how your precious, darling Iniquitous Gutter Republic is being run by psychos in both parties, just read “The Prince”. My favorite bit is the whole “it is probably good to *appear* as if you believe in God because the filthy masses, who could totally hang you from the bridge by your squishy bits at any time, eat that s*** up, but you really shouldn’t because it totally gets in the way of your raping and drinking the blood of everyone and everything you come in contact with” bit.
http://www.barnhardt.biz/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/ap-obama-prayer-service-4_3.jpg (http://www.barnhardt.biz/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/ap-obama-prayer-service-4_3.jpg)
Assume the position. Head down. Eyes closed. Hands in front of junk. Oooooh. We prayin’ now, suckas!The point I want to make here comes from chapter 16 of “The Prince”, regarding keeping the unwashed masses mollified by appearing “generous”:

“A prince either spends his own money and that of his subjects, or that of others. In the first case he must be economical; in the second he must not hold back any part of his generosity. For the prince who goes out with his armies and lives by looting, sacking, and ransoms, andwho lays hands on the property of others,
such generosity is necessary; otherwise he would not be followed by his soldiers.“

Remember, in this context, Machiavelli’s use of the word “generosity” is NOT referring to the sincere application of the virtue of generosity, because, you know, he’s totally being all Machiavellian here. He is cynically talking about giving people free s*** in order to maintain his own wealth and power and not get hung from the bridge by his squishy bits.

For you all still clinging to the Iniquitous Gutter Republic that was America, what has happened for the first time in history is that the Machiavellian strategy of stealing other people’s money in order to give away free s*** and maintain the faux appearance of generosity to the people who could hang you from the bridge by your squishy bits has now reached its ultimate and inevitable evil climax. Instead of stealing horizontally in real time from conquered territories, or even from a numerically small and easily vilified upper class, and then the middle class bogged down to complete inertia by its own material decadence, the “princes” of our day are victimizing a class of people that are totally incapable of resisting or defending themselves against the princes in any way.

Yep. People who haven’t been born yet.

$222 trillion in unfunded U.S. government liabilities, aka “free s***”. $1.5 quadrillion in global derivatives. Debt in quantities that the human mind is incapable of apprehending in anything but the most abstract terms. And the defense barrier against the people from whom this theft is largely occurring is utterly impenetrable. It makes the oceans look like raindrops. It makes the moon seem like the house across the street. Their army can never mount a defense against it. Their munitions can never penetrate it.
Time.

The one and only hope those people have is US. They are at OUR mercy. The only thing that stands between the Prices of our day and their evil heirs, and those people’s slavery is OUR CHARITY – the love of neighbors that will not be born until long after we are dead.

Don’t be Machiavellian. Exercise true virtue for the love of God and for the love of your fellow man – including in the 4th dimension.

Maybe I’ll see you on the bridge. I’ll bring my mace and then you can decide whether I go over the side by my squishy bits or if we walk off the bridge together and go drink a gin and tonic somewhere. No matter what happens, the toilets aren’t going to clean themselves. Just sayin’.

This entry was posted in Uncategorized (http://www.barnhardt.biz/category/uncategorized/) on October 29, ARSH 2013 (http://www.barnhardt.biz/2013/10/29/machiavelli-now-in-4-d/).