View Full Version : Ammendment 66 - More from the Democratic Controlled Congress and East Coast Money
Did you know Colorado had a large surplus this year that could have been used to fund education, yet the Democratic controlled state government funneled it into projects and reserves, yet then sponsored a Bill to raise our taxes.
http://gazette.com/flush-with-cash-colorado-officials-back-tax-hike/article/1503472
If you are making less than 75K, this is an 8% Tax Increase. If you make more than 75K, then your taxes will increase up to 27%
If you live in Boulder, Douglas, Jefferson or Cherry Creek schools, 50% of every dollar taken in taxes would go to Denver and Aurora schools or other poorer school districts. Why? because these better off school districts have approved property taxes for local schools to improve them and Denver had voted against these tax increases. But this is a sweet deal for Denver, for every dollar collected in Taxes, they will get $1.50 to $2 to spend. There are no clear programs defined, no results for better grades, no performance metrics. Money mandated in evaluations and audits (READ ADMISTRATION COSTS), etc
Douglas County School district unanimously took a position against.
See what a Jeffco school board member has to say about it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNQGK0SA9h4&feature=share
Know where the money for the "vote Yes" ads are coming from? Same place as gun control ads; New York and DC.
Not a single Republican supported this as it went through the state Government. There was no compromise or attempt to reach a bipartisian plan.
Sorry, the tax and spend government just irks me.
A (conservative) teacher friend in Cherry Creek is against 66 and said the district is also in opposition to the bill. We've had some interesting conversations around common core too.
Once again, we see urban voters and the dems attempting to redistribute the wealth like the socialists they are.
jerrymrc
10-26-2013, 17:36
If you are making less than 75K, this is an 8% Tax Increase. If you make more than 75K, then your taxes will increase up to 27%
One more thing to think about. Once approved they can lower the threshold without a vote of the people. Meaning that in a year the higher tax rate could apply to those making oh, $30K per year. For the children ya know. They always love to be able to change the rules.
66 would suck all my disposable income and would leave nothing for discretionary spending. I would possibly have to cut back on retirement savings. In addition to all the other bad things, it's an economic catastrophe.
[edit] I re-read the data and the actual tax change and while it's not going to impact me as much as I might have expected, it's still a $2400 increase in state income tax on our combined income.
Firehaus
10-26-2013, 20:31
Denver de-bruced the property tax last year for the " children". So sky's the limit now. Not sure why they need yet another increase. With all the property values increasing as well.
Schools need more funds? What results are we getting for what we pay now? More money down the same hole will get us more of the same results.
Not another dime as long as I have the ability to deny the tax.
I dropped off my ballot the yesterday. I can't say I'm happy about the mail only ballot.
"You know, comrades," says Stalin, "that I think in regard to this: I consider it completely unimportant who in the party will vote, or how; but what is extraordinarily important is this — who will count the votes, and how." Joseph Stalin
Denver de-bruced the property tax last year for the " children". So sky's the limit now. Not sure why they need yet another increase. With all the property values increasing as well.
Shhhh, don't mention that. Gotta get the increases locked in before revenues recover naturally after the recession.
So if it passes, then we should all try to repeal an equivalent amount of property taxes so that our income tax stays in our school districts.
So if it passes, then we should all try to repeal an equivalent amount of property taxes so that our income tax stays in our school districts.
Kind of what I was thinking
hollohas
10-26-2013, 22:38
One more thing to think about. Once approved they can lower the threshold without a vote of the people. Meaning that in a year the higher tax rate could apply to those making oh, $30K per year. For the children ya know. They always love to be able to change the rules.
^This is a major problem in my mind. And everything else you all said.
We've been throwing money at education for decades and the scores keep getting worse. I'm all for supporting my local schools but I darn sure don't want to pay extra taxes that will end up supporting the shity DPS schools that money can't fix.
Where is nynco at to tell us how this is a good thing?
More money for Gdowski and Adams 12 to stash and hoard. I guess $20M wasn't enough, and still no word on when all the cutbacks they made might be reversed.
I'm glad we moved out of that district, but I'm still pretty bitter about all they robbed my two oldest kids of.
streetglideok
10-27-2013, 13:31
All that will happen if this calamity of a bill gets passed, is the local districts that actually need money will not be able to pass a tax levy thru a ballot. Voters will be sick of being overly taxed, and will say no more.
All that will happen if this calamity of a bill gets passed, is the local districts that actually need money will not be able to pass a tax levy thru a ballot. Voters will be sick of being overly taxed, and will say no more.
You wish.
Eggysrun
10-27-2013, 14:40
I dropped off my ballot the yesterday. I can't say I'm happy about the mail only ballot.
"You know, comrades," says Stalin, "that I think in regard to this: I consider it completely unimportant who in the party will vote, or how; but what is extraordinarily important is this — who will count the votes, and how." Joseph Stalin
What do you mean it mail only ballot??? We can't vote for this on nov 5?
streetglideok
10-27-2013, 16:06
You wish.
Let me correct myself, the counties who oust criminal senators, and the ones with the will to consider the 51st state initiative likely would. The Denver metro area, you guys are screwed, sorry.
Let me correct myself, the counties who oust criminal senators, and the ones with the will to consider the 51st state initiative likely would. The Denver metro area, you guys are screwed, sorry.
There ya go. :)
I work with a bunch of liberals, smart people except when it comes to government, foreign policy, economics, taxation, The Bill of Rights and The Constitution. They never met a tax they didn't agree with.
Rooskibar03
10-27-2013, 19:40
My prayer is such that the people hold true to,past trends, proposals for increased school taxes tend to be overwhelmingly voted down. That was of course before we moved from purple to blue so who knows.
All I know is if it passes I'm looking at 600 more per year to the asshats running this state. May be the final straw.
Editorial from todays Wall Street Journal
Rocky Mountain High Taxes
Democrats and unions try to kill Colorado's flat tax.
Oct. 23, 2013 7:25 p.m. ET
Colorado has veered to the political left in recent years, and on November 5 it may take another leap toward California. The Democrats and unions who now run state government are promoting a ballot initiative that would raise taxes and unleash a brave new era of liberal governance.
The Colorado Tax Increase for Education, or Amendment 66, follows the well-trod union script of claiming to raise taxes in the name of better schools. Its real purpose is to repeal restraints on tax increases and open the door to even higher taxes and more spending on everything.
The referendum would repeal the state's current flat income-tax rate of 4.63% that liberals loathe because raising it requires raising taxes on nearly all Coloradans. And sure enough, Amendment 66 would raise the rate to 5% on income up to $75,000, and to 5.9% on all higher earners. That's a 26.6% tax increase on anyone making more than $75,000 a year.
That's also a $950 million revenue increase for politicians in the first year alone, but the real prize is down the road. Once a graduated tax code is in place, unions and Democrats will try again and again to raise tax rates on "the rich." This has happened everywhere Democrats have run the show in the last decade, from Maryland to Connecticut, New York, Oregon and California. Within a decade, the top tax rate will be closer to 8% or 9%.
Colorado's liberals may aspire to join the left coasts, but that won't make the state any more competitive in its interior U.S. neighborhood, where states like Kansas and Oklahoma are cutting tax rates. High-tax states created one net new job for every four in states without an income tax from 2002-2012, according to a study for the American Legislative Exchange Council.
Polls show that the main issue for Colorado voters now is the economy. That's not surprising given that household incomes in Coloradoremain 7.2% below pre-recession levels, according to Census Bureau data. A 2011 study by Ernst & Young found that more than half a million small businesses in Colorado, or 92% of all in-state businesses, pay taxes at individual tax rates and thus would face a tax increase under Amendment 66.
The sales pitch is that this tax windfall is earmarked for education, but if you believe that you must be a college professor. Amendment 66 states that "at least 43% of state sales, excise and income tax revenues" must be spent on education. The main result would be to make spending on education untouchable in the future and to make it harder for politicians to set priorities.
Unions know that money is fungible, so a tax increase earmarked for education means that other revenue can be used to delay reform in the state's badly underfunded public teacher pension plan. Funding for Medicaid, roads and other state priorities won't decrease, so earmarking more for education would increase pressure for another tax increase. It's no accident that Amendment 66 states that "all tax revenues attributable to this measure to be collected and spent without future voter approval."
The language of Amendment 66 also includes no reforms in return for the new cash—no teacher accountability, no increase in school choice, and no pension reforms. Supporters say it would allow for implementation of a state legislative reform, but unions are already trying to block that.
The initiative is also an attempt to bail out Denver schools by taking more cash from the rest of the state. For every $1 the scheme would take from suburban school districts, such as Jefferson and Douglas counties, the state would send back 50 to 60 cents, according to the state treasurer's office. The state funding formula already encourages counties to raise property tax rates in order to get more state cash, so this tax increase will only be round one.
A new study by the University of Colorado Leeds School of Business found close to zero relationship between changes in per pupil spending on Colorado schools and changes in test scores and graduation rates. It notes, for example, that "although Cotopaxi School District received nearly a 36% increase" in per pupil funding from 2007-12, the highest in the state, "its test scores dropped by 8.3%."
As recently as 2011, Colorado voters voted down a state sales and income-tax increase, but the unions keep coming. And it's no surprise they've already put $2 million behind Amendment 66. If it passes, they know they'll get a big return on that political investment for decades to come. If it does pass, we'll also know that millions of Coloradans have taken to smoking that marijuana they legalized last year.
It won't pass. People are still hurting in the wallet. The pot smokers will almost assuredly vote no on both measures. Even a lot of school districts are against it.
Thanks for the Wall Street link. Good article. I do see this as a way to bail out Denver schools. Jeffco and Cherry creek have raised property taxes to improve Education and Denver has not, now they want everyone else to help them
Firehaus
10-28-2013, 12:11
Denver's property taxes are already high, especially on business property.
kawiracer14
10-28-2013, 12:22
They have been spending tons of money on ads to promote 66. Let's hope people can see through the bullshit and vote no ... but I have a feeling it's going to pass because "it's for the children"
Circuits
10-28-2013, 12:38
There is already a large amount of the regular state budget which is allocated to schools out of the general fund. The little white lie of earmarked funds like those proposed by 66 is that yes - all the money collected under 66 will go to the schools, but....
The legislature then reduces that exact amount of funding for schools from the general fund.
Net result? Your new "school tax" just creates a big pool of pork barrel money for the pols to piss away from the general fund.
james_bond_007
10-28-2013, 15:31
... I dropped off my ballot the yesterday. I can't say I'm happy about the mail only ballot....
You can vote in person, if you want, and you can do it in "advance" of election day, at least in my area (and I think you are nearby).
I went by the Pecos/122nd "Polling Place" today to get a replacement ballot (I checked one too many in one of the sections).
Instead I just voted in person, using their computerized voting system.
kidicarus13
10-28-2013, 16:15
You can vote in person, if you want, and you can do it in "advance" of election day, at least in my area (and I think you are nearby).
I went by the Pecos/122nd "Polling Place" today to get a replacement ballot (I checked one too many in one of the sections).
Instead I just voted in person, using their computerized voting system.
Ahhh the 'ol Diebold computerized voting system. You vote your conscience and then let "the computer" make the corrections.
I voted no on 66 and yes on AA.
1. Amendment 64 is supposed to raise money to go to schools
2. Budget bills shouldn't be an amendment to the Constitution, they should be their own law.
hollohas
10-29-2013, 16:27
They have been spending tons of money on ads to promote 66. Let's hope people can see through the bullshit and vote no ... but I have a feeling it's going to pass because "it's for the children"
And guess who donated $2M...Bloomberg.
http://gazette.com/amendment-66-backers-get-big-checks-from-bloomberg-charity-melinda-gates/article/1508439
He sure has a bug up his ass about Colorado. Retirement here?
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Circuits
10-29-2013, 18:52
Whatever my other thoughts, a bloomie endorsement had me voting no on 66 and AA.
Make money off the weedies with sales tax like any other product they buy - don't need a supertax.
muddywings
10-29-2013, 19:36
I have found that voting is a lot easier now that bloomberg is constantly in the mix. I just find out what side he is funding and vote the opposite. Hell, I don't even have to read the stuff legislation anymore. Thanks Bloomberg!!! I now have more time to dedicate to go shooting.
hollohas
10-29-2013, 21:01
Make money off the weedies with sales tax like any other product they buy - don't need a supertax.
The pro pot folks think this tax is too high and the antis want more. Sure, it's more than the normal sales tax but I'm pretty sure it's far less than tobacco and booze. I personally think it should be on par with those two products.
Regarding 66, I'm starting to see a lot more "no" signs around town. That's great but maybe too late.
When you actually read the ballot and see that # in the first line of what 66 is, it really makes me scared that someone could vote to increase taxes by $950,100,000.00. I would venture a guess that most people that would vote yes on this can't even say that number without pausing for a few seconds and thinking about what it actually is.
I think I will soap up the back of my jeep like all the liberal soccer moms are doing down here in DougCo... "NO 66"
The Douglas County School Board is also a huge issue this time. Bloomberg and other liberal money is coming in to help their candidates. One of the Bama advisers is here running this drive. Those in Douglas should be very careful who they select.
Bitter Clinger
10-30-2013, 08:43
He sure has a big up his ass about Colorado. Retirement here?
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You shut your whore mouth![hahhah-no] (jk). That would suck.
avandelay
10-30-2013, 09:59
He sure has a big up his ass about Colorado. Retirement here?
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He's also dumping millions into the VA race for Gov and AG. This rat bastard is out there buying elections with his bottomless pit of personal cash reserves and will be a bigger force to deal with when he is no longer mayor of NYC. The sad thing is that if he feels so bad for being that wealthy then he could use his millions helping his target audience instead of meddling in the local politics of other states.
SamuraiCO
10-31-2013, 20:16
Bloomberg and the other progressives just trying to influence those races in purple states. I don't see money being sent from our side then they wonder "What's happening in Colorado or Virginia"?
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Colorado gut TABOR "For the Children" with ref C and D to allow surplus funds spent on education instead of returning those dollars to.the tax payers?
This state could be so flush with revenue if the libtards would get it of the way of the oil and gas industry, hell even the coal industry if the EPA doesn't kill it off completely.
66, go f yourself.
even my parents who are retired teachers voted no on this.
I had to convince my wife (teacher) though. She got a major load of BS from the union about it. Just like has been mentioned before, there isn't enough responsibility, they have a shit load of reserves as is, whole state taxing is not good when the money is not distributed well. Her district really could use more money and they really do work on a pretty good budget and do well at it. Class sizes are much too high though and if they could get money for a couple more teachers at her school the kids really would benefit from it. this tax doesn't give all the money to schools. and some districts don't need the money.
The third asshat in three days just stopped by the house asking for support for 66. It's kinda fun seeing their expression when I tell them that the wife and I voted against it.
Stevensje
11-01-2013, 20:09
The third asshat in three days just stopped by the house asking for support for 66. It's kinda fun seeing their expression when I tell them that the wife and I voted against it.
That's awesome. I asked her if she could explain to me what 66 is, she said all the money goes to the kids so they could have music and smaller classes. I excitedly asked her if she voted for Obama. She said yes. Then I told her to get the hell off my property.
Eggysrun
11-01-2013, 20:56
Don't get me wrong, I think money for education is pretty important. However, when liberals have taken over our children's education system with bullshit like common core I will not pay one cent towards that crap. I don't have kids and I love my guns, but putting things into perspective I'd be more likely to donate money to a group that would fight crap like common core instead of protecting our gun rights. Call me crazy, I just think the QUALITY of our children's education is so bloody important.
osok-308
11-02-2013, 07:40
That's awesome. I asked her if she could explain to me what 66 is, she said all the money goes to the kids so they could have music and smaller classes. I excitedly asked her if she voted for Obama. She said yes. Then I told her to get the hell off my property.
[ROFL1] I wish I could have seen her face! It's funny how that is always their excuse to pass new legislation "it's for the children". Somehow I don't think that the increase in taxes will help the children, because it get's lost in the system along the way. Maybe instead of shoveling all of his money into the political game, Bloomberg should have just given it to the schools instead. Then I'd believe he cared about education.
Its for the children of illegals, mostly. Its a tax to pay for more computers and bi-lingualists for all the illegals, at least 60% of it is.
What are the numbers on 66? Does it look like it will pass?
Rooskibar03
11-03-2013, 18:43
Its for the children of illegals, mostly. Its a tax to pay for more computers and bi-lingualists for all the illegals, at least 60% of it is.
What are the numbers on 66? Does it look like it will pass?
Not scientific in any way but a sponsored ad for 66 has come up on Facebook several times in the last weeks and the comments were 98% hell no. Also looking through the forums on Denver Post articles for 66 the usual Obama zombies are oddly silent on the topic.
Im hopeful this follows the trend of most votes for increased school taxes and dies overwhelmingly.
jhirsh5280
11-04-2013, 09:42
Not scientific in any way but a sponsored ad for 66 has come up on Facebook several times in the last weeks and the comments were 98% hell no. Also looking through the forums on Denver Post articles for 66 the usual Obama zombies are oddly silent on the topic.
Im hopeful this follows the trend of most votes for increased school taxes and dies overwhelmingly.
^^^ Same here
On a side note, a friend of mine posted a pro 66 piece on his FB page and I gave him the biz about the language of the bill and how misleading it was etc etc, his buddy chimes in defending 66 and states hes a co-author of the bill and how it will be this glorious "For the kids" money grab. I ask him to show me the exact language that says once the money is collected and distributed to the districts that it must be used for teachers, classes and school programs, I also asked what the last sentence on the ballot meant where it says something to the effect of "All taxes collected can be used without further voter approval". Its been several weeks now and no response which tells me I called his bullshit.
Zundfolge
11-04-2013, 11:58
So far so good http://gazette.com/colorado-election-reaches-the-home-stretch/article/1508718
"...But a poll released Oct. 6 showed 56 percent of the electorate was opposed to the measure and just 35 percent said they would vote for it."
82ndShooter
11-04-2013, 12:41
Where are the polling locations in Adams County where one can drop off their ballot? I can not find out online for the life of me!!!
Zundfolge
11-04-2013, 12:43
Where are the polling locations in Adams County where one can drop off their ballot? I can not find out online for the life of me!!!
Start here http://www.co.adams.co.us/index.aspx?nid=140
since this is a "mail in only" election you probably have to go down to the Clerk & Recorder's office to drop off your ballot.
I think this is the dropoff places http://www.co.adams.co.us/DocumentCenter/View/4016
82ndShooter
11-04-2013, 12:50
Start here http://www.co.adams.co.us/index.aspx?nid=140
since this is a "mail in only" election you probably have to go down to the Clerk & Recorder's office to drop off your ballot.
I think this is the dropoff places http://www.co.adams.co.us/DocumentCenter/View/4016
Thanks!
<MADDOG>
11-04-2013, 19:40
CSU study shows a negative impact on the economy:
http://central.colostate.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/amendment_66_v3.pdf
muddywings
11-05-2013, 22:23
Looks like it went down hard!
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trlcavscout
11-05-2013, 22:27
Looks like it went down hard!
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Yep, we bitch slapped them pretty good this time! They will be back though
Rooskibar03
11-05-2013, 22:31
Yep, we bitch slapped them pretty good this time! They will be back though
Ain't t that the truth. It's like a zombie horde, they just keep coming.
BPTactical
11-05-2013, 22:35
Looks like it went down hard!
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Great news!
While my retirement is PERA and this is not good news for them to me it is worth it. I would rather risk a bit on my retirement spiffs than see the state burdened with that mess of an amendment.
I am curious as to how many of those that voted for 66 will still willingly donate a couple thousand dollars of their salary to schools? Just because you aren't required through a tax to pay all that money to schools, doesn't mean you can't still do it. I suspect the ones voting for this will not be donating and only wanted to dig in the pockets of the people who work for their money.
That's one for Colorado! Glad it went down by a big margin, that will give them pause . . . . for a few years
I am curious as to how many of those that voted for 66 will still willingly donate a couple thousand dollars of their salary to schools? Just because you aren't required through a tax to pay all that money to schools, doesn't mean you can't still do it. I suspect the ones voting for this will not be donating and only wanted to dig in the pockets of the people who work for their money.
This exactly.
They rule by authoritarianism. They think their ideas are so good they must be mandatory under penalty of law. On the flip side just because it isn't law doesn't mean you will be punished if you do go and donate your own personal $$$$.
This is the entire premise of progressivism. If its good enough for us it must be good enough for everyone.... And if you don't comply with what we say we'll send guys with guns over to arrest you and take your freedom away.
GilpinGuy
11-05-2013, 22:57
I am curious as to how many of those that voted for 66 will still willingly donate a couple thousand dollars of their salary to schools?
Exactly 0.0%.
I was discussing taxes with a jackass who eventually admitted that he thought communism was "the way to go". When he told me he thought we should all pay more in taxes I asked him if he planned on donating any money to the IRS in addition to his normal taxes. He looked at me with the "you're an asshole" look and didn't respond. I just said "I didn't think so".
I'm glad 66 was defeated even though my wife's retirement is PERA. I'm sure it will be back next year as a tax on the "rich", hopefully we will have the same results then...
GilpinGuy
11-06-2013, 00:22
<sigh> My 16 yo step daughter came out of her bedroom when the news was going through the election results. She asked what happened with 66 and told her it went down in flames. She said "That's too bad. It was important that it passed. We would have got iPads." [Bang] The brainwashing continues in the schools.
<sigh> My 16 yo step daughter came out of her bedroom when the news was going through the election results. She asked what happened with 66 and told her it went down in flames. She said "That's too bad. It was important that it passed. We would have got iPads." [Bang] The brainwashing continues in the schools.
tell her to go ask any one person who voted for it. buying her an ipad will get them off much cheaper than if this would have passed.
<sigh> My 16 yo step daughter came out of her bedroom when the news was going through the election results. She asked what happened with 66 and told her it went down in flames. She said "That's too bad. It was important that it passed. We would have got iPads." [Bang] The brainwashing continues in the schools.
Of all the things kids don't learn in school these days, I don't think knowing how to work small electronic devises is one that needs more tax dollars. For the money you will save each year, now that 66 failed, just buy her a new iPad and smile.
Bloomberg and bill gates apparently each donated a million toward this thing. Why not donate that money to the schools?
$10 million spent to push the issue...again donate it to the schools.
GilpinGuy
11-06-2013, 00:58
Bloomberg and bill gates apparently each donated a million toward this thing. Why not donate that money to the schools?
$10 million spent to push the issue...again donate it to the schools.
For the same reason they don't donate extra to the IRS.
Bloomberg and bill gates apparently each donated a million toward this thing. Why not donate that money to the schools?
$10 million spent to push the issue...again donate it to the schools.
Just heard that only $10,000 was spent on the anti effort here...
Yikes! $10K vs $10,000,000.00
I think Colorado has a chance here in the next few years... I thought it was on its way to California, but there is hope! Between this momentum shift, the recalls, and Obamacare and who knows what they force on us in the next legislative session, We may say a pissed off Colorado return us to our western roots.
RblDiver
11-06-2013, 02:23
Glad 66 was rejected handily. I have to admit, I was thinking the yuppies' "For The Children™" argument would sway more.
(Disappointed in Weld County though. Oh well ><)
Bloomberg and bill gates apparently each donated a million toward this thing. Why not donate that money to the schools?
$10 million spent to push the issue...again donate it to the schools.
Because spending 10mil once to get 1000mil/yr is a good investment even if the odds are low.
GilpinGuy, move up to Longmont. We passed an increase last year so she'd get her ipad here.
Glad 66 was rejected handily. I have to admit, I was thinking the yuppies' "For The Children™" argument would sway more.
(Disappointed in Weld County though. Oh well ><)
So am I. [Ban1][Ban2][Ban3]
I thought it would pass too, you know, down economy, lousy school system, hey! let's tax the shit out of ourselves and give a bunch of liars and frauds a billion dollars and see what happens.
osok-308
11-06-2013, 08:33
I think Colorado has a chance here in the next few years... I thought it was on its way to California, but there is hope! Between this momentum shift, the recalls, and Obamacare and who knows what they force on us in the next legislative session, We may say a pissed off Colorado return us to our western roots.
It's possible that we can stop the state on the path that it's on, we just have to make sure we're not content and sit back during any election. The fight for Colorado is just that, A FIGHT. We must continue to vote, write legislators, and remove the ones who no longer listen to the people who appointed them. If we don't actively use our liberty it will be taken away while we are sleeping. I am glad that Colorado did show a lot more guts than many thought it had. Would have enjoyed seeing how people would have reacted had all 11 counties voted yes to secede.
Circuits
11-06-2013, 11:21
IWould have enjoyed seeing how people would have reacted had all 11 counties voted yes to secede.
I'm guessing they'd laugh, point, and say "u mad, bro?" along with a troll smiley.
I forgot to do something here.
Thank you, thanks to each of you who voted NO on this horrible plan.
Thank you.
Great-Kazoo
11-06-2013, 22:47
If one browses the online newspapers. The underlying theme of the Pro 66 crowd is. We need to better refine our message. We will continue, till we succeed.
skullybones
11-06-2013, 23:05
If one browses the online newspapers. The underlying theme of the Pro 66 crowd is. We need to better refine our message. We will continue throwing shit, till we succeed and get it to stick.
If one browses the online newspapers. The underlying theme of the Pro 66 crowd is. We need to better refine our message. We will continue, till we succeed.
Mandy on 630 AM in the mornings said that same thing. She said they start by asking for the world, then bring it down a bit to make it seem "not so bad". I believe this was their second attempt. First try was for 2 billion or so, if I remember correctly. Now it was a billion. Next year, it'll be half a billion increase.
osok-308
11-07-2013, 10:31
Mandy on 630 AM in the mornings said that same thing. She said they start by asking for the world, then bring it down a bit to make it seem "not so bad". I believe this was their second attempt. First try was for 2 billion or so, if I remember correctly. Now it was a billion. Next year, it'll be half a billion increase.
While they will continue to try to pass this at lower doses, a large majority voted against it. We just need to remain vigilant.
If this was just a tax increase to fund schools, it would have been really close. The poison pill I think was the heavy handed and idiotic attempt to siphon local tax revenue from well off school districts and funnel it into the Denver area. My property taxes are insanely high in west Jeffco, and I would be extremely pissed if that was being siphoned off and sent to Denver...might as well just replace the Colorado flag with the hammer and sickle and address everyone as comrade. What a bunch of communist filth we have taking over this state. I purposely boycott Denver and I don't support their economy and I sure as hell am not going to provide them with tax revenue. If this had passed, I would have been forced to move.
Zundfolge
11-07-2013, 12:39
If one browses the online newspapers. The underlying theme of the Pro 66 crowd is. We need to better refine our message. We will continue, till we succeed.
Which is basically what EVERYONE that gets their asses handed to them in an election says ... of course the left never stops, they will be back with another tax hike next election ... which is good because nothing gets conservatives to the polls like tax hikes and gun control.
I have a "friend" (really she's hot, and I'd like to sleep with her, and that's about it) who is in school to become a teacher, and does student teaching at a middle school in the metro area, and she was severely butthurt over 66 failing. She even went as far as saying on FB yesterday:
Take pride in the pennies you are saving in your personal pocket book and the children suffering at that expense. Thank you TABOR. #Embarrassedtolivehere
I pretty much flat out told her that throwing money at children won't make them better, it should start with people like YOU who actually give two shits about teaching regardless of the computers, iPads, etc. you're given, and actually teaching our children and preparing them for the real world. Shoot, I didn't even get a laptop until I graduated high school, and even then it was not top-of-the-line, and I still think I turned out pretty good despite being a product of Jeffco Public Schools between the mid-90's and early 00's.
Then after scrolling down on her page, she has a bunch of bologna about "YES ON 66!" and it kinda makes me re-think her attractiveness.
Circuits
11-08-2013, 00:48
Then after scrolling down on her page, she has a bunch of bologna about "YES ON 66!" and it kinda makes me re-think her attractiveness.
Angry 66 sex would be awesome, though...
spqrzilla
11-08-2013, 00:53
Angry 66 sex would be awesome, though...
For The Win.
Aloha_Shooter
11-08-2013, 02:52
I have a "friend" (really she's hot, and I'd like to sleep with her, and that's about it) .... she has a bunch of bologna about "YES ON 66!" and it kinda makes me re-think her attractiveness.
Anyone like that is probably a psycho-fem-canine who will come boil your pet if you don't swear undying allegiance to her and her causes. Just save yourself some grief and tell her to move to Maryland with the other good Commies ...
Anyone like that is probably a psycho-fem-canine who will come boil your pet if you don't swear undying allegiance to her and her causes. Just save yourself some grief and tell her to move to Maryland with the other good Commies ...
[LOL]She is a pretty irrational, angry, violent-mouthed liberal, I wouldn't put pet boiling past her.
Singlestack
11-09-2013, 08:24
Sounds like just another post-modern neurotic libtard female...more than a few around these days
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