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bogie
10-28-2013, 17:48
A public service notice....

SOURCE (http://publicintelligence.net/weapons-discovery-terrorism/) containing DHS/FBI wire



Public Intelligence


A joint bulletin issued in early August by the Department of Homeland Security and FBI warns state and local law enforcement agencies to look out for people in possession of “large amounts” of weapons and ammunition, describing the discovery of “unusual amounts” of weapons as a potential indicator of criminal or terrorist activity.


Citing the example of Norwegian mass-murderer Anders Behring Breivik, who reportedly “stockpiled approximately 12,000 pounds of precursors, weapons, and armor and hid them underground in remote, wooded locations,” the bulletin instructs law enforcement (http://publicintelligence.net/dhs-fbi-weapons/) to look for “large amounts of weapons, ammunition, explosives, accelerants, or explosive precursor chemicals” that “could indicate pre-operational terrorist attack planning or criminal activity.” Weapons do not have to be “cached” in remote locations to meet the standard for suspicious activity. According to the bulletin, weapons could be stored in an “individual’s home, storage facility, or vehicle” and may include common firearms such as “rifles, shotguns, pistols” as well as “military grade weapons.” The illegal possession of large amounts of ammunition is also listed as a potential indicator of “criminal weapons possession related to terrorism.” While the bulletin never clarifies what constitutes a “large” or “unusual” quantity of weapons or ammunition, it does say that such a quantity would “arouse suspicion in a reasonable person.”


The joint DHS-FBI Roll Call Release (http://publicintelligence.net/dhs-fbi-weapons/) distributed to police, first responders and private security throughout the U.S. is part of a series of bulletins describing activities “reasonably indicative of criminal activity associated with terrorism.” The suspicious activities described in the bulletins are derived from criteria in the Information Sharing Environment (ISE) Functional Standard for Suspicious Activity Reporting (http://nsi.ncirc.gov/documents/ISE-FS-200_ISE-SAR_Functional_Standard_V1_5_Issued_2009.pdf) signed in 2009. The ISE Functional Standard governs the collection of information for the Nationwide Suspicious Activity Reporting Initiative (NSI) (http://nsi.ncirc.gov/), an interagency program to collect suspicious activity reports from law enforcement agencies around the country. Other bulletins in the series focus on everything from surveillance (http://publicintelligence.net/dhs-fbi-observation/) and theft (http://publicintelligence.net/dhs-fbi-theft-loss/) to photography (http://publicintelligence.net/dhs-fbi-photography/) and even “eliciting information (http://publicintelligence.net/dhs-fbi-terrorist-elicitation-of-information/),” an activity described as “questioning individuals at a level beyond mere curiosity.”


Like other bulletins in the DHS-FBI series on suspicious activity reporting, the document notes that “constitutional activities should not be reported” unless the circumstances “support the source agency’s suspicion that the behavior observed is not innocent, but rather reasonably indicative of criminal activity associated with terrorism, including evidence of pre-operational planning related to terrorism.” However, no guidance is provided on potential legal issues related to the reporting of constitutionally-protected activities.


Searched keywords for repost. Eff me if I missed it.

Bailey Guns
10-28-2013, 17:51
FFS...they better get busy. Because just about every home in Bailey has "large amounts" of weapons and/or ammunition. I don't, of course. But other people do.

hurley842002
10-28-2013, 17:58
Guess I don't have anything to worry about, I'm too broke to own large amounts of weapons...

trlcavscout
10-28-2013, 18:00
I sold my guns to pay my PETA dues...

BushMasterBoy
10-28-2013, 18:02
They forgot pressure cookers and fireworks. And if the Russian FSB sends warnings to the American FBI, just ignore it. It is just more feel good administrative desk jockey drivel...

OtterbatHellcat
10-28-2013, 18:38
Large amounts?.... kiss my ass.

merl
10-28-2013, 18:43
Read the actual release. Specifically the part about not reporting constitutional activities or anything without specific atriculable facts.

They give a whole bunch of fluff designed to look important then the things they specifically list to watch for are:
-- Illegal possession of firearms
-- Possession of explosives such as IEDs
-- Dangerous objects concealed at security checkpoints.

Jeffrey Lebowski
10-28-2013, 18:43
While the bulletin never clarifies what constitutes a “large” or “unusual” quantity of weapons or ammunition, it does say that such a quantity would “arouse suspicion in a reasonable person.”

So, basically 1 pistol and a 250 round range pack if by "reasonable person" they mean "typical democrat."

jason303
10-28-2013, 18:44
By their own definition, they're the biggest terrorist organization in the world. I wouldn't disagree with that.

Aloha_Shooter
10-28-2013, 19:04
I always figured "large" has to involve 11 or more zeros since Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid said we don't have a spending problem, that our deficits aren't large enough to worry about.

OtterbatHellcat
10-28-2013, 19:11
Nice one, Aloha.

Gman
10-28-2013, 19:15
So, basically 1 pistol and a 250 round range pack if by "reasonable person" they mean "typical democrat."
If that's the bar, then a brick of .22LR could be determined to be able to nuke a site from orbit.

brokenscout
10-28-2013, 19:16
The illegal possession of large amounts of ammunition is also listed as a potential indicator of “criminal weapons possession related to terrorism.”

brokenscout
10-28-2013, 19:17
There trying to get over zealous local LE to do there dirty work

sniper7
10-28-2013, 19:42
Sucks for you guys! I miss that boat.....

TEAMRICO
10-28-2013, 20:03
I thought this was a forum to post things like Pintrest.......what am I doing here.....guns bad.
They need to focus on folks up in Bailey....not down here....nothing to see.
Back to my paper mâché project....I will post pics later gang.

blacklabel
10-28-2013, 20:08
By their own definition, they're the biggest terrorist organization in the world. I wouldn't disagree with that.

F'in A.

hatidua
10-28-2013, 20:31
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/hatidua/trfstp_zps7bbdefc8.jpg

merl
10-28-2013, 20:38
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/hatidua/trfstp_zps7bbdefc8.jpg

And with no more details that is meaningless fluff.

Great-Kazoo
10-28-2013, 20:44
Actually the worst thing you can do is buy gasoline. That is terror's #1 cash cow.

OR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp5wXL3Uwnw

buckshotbarlow
10-28-2013, 20:51
Dang, i feel like I need to go out and spend some coin on getting up to those levels...it'd make me feel warm inside on this cold night...

BlasterBob
10-28-2013, 20:52
The illegal possession of large amounts of ammunition is also listed as a potential indicator of “criminal weapons possession related to terrorism.”

The key word in that statement is ---illegal.....
I wonder just constitutes "illegal" possession, perhaps that which is in the possession of a felon???

KevDen2005
10-28-2013, 20:59
How much is a large amount?

TFOGGER
10-28-2013, 21:08
How much is a large amount?

More than 7 rounds, apparently. at least in New Yawk...

KevDen2005
10-28-2013, 21:10
More than 7 rounds, apparently. at least in New Yawk...


I forgot that they were even still a state.

brutal
10-28-2013, 21:23
So, basically 1 pistol and a 250 round range pack if by "reasonable person" they mean "typical democrat."

Suspect = anyone that hasn't stood in line at a Walmart in the last 9 months wondering why they can't just get a box of .22LR to take their kid to the range. Or the dipsticks looking for game ammo the day before their season opens.

brutal
10-28-2013, 21:25
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/hatidua/trfstp_zps7bbdefc8.jpg

That's a light range day load out.

Aloha_Shooter
10-28-2013, 21:32
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/hatidua/trfstp_zps7bbdefc8.jpg

Only 2 rifles? WTH, short day at the range?

brokenscout
10-29-2013, 07:31
Just making sure , didn't know if you can't own a certain amount
The key word in that statement is ---illegal.....
I wonder just constitutes "illegal" possession, perhaps that which is in the possession of a felon???

Ronin13
10-29-2013, 08:05
Strange- a lot of the cops I know fit into the category of "large amounts" of weapons. Hell, one of our firearms instructors is a retired Arvada PD SGT who owns countless weapons (2 safes plus another room all full of guns). If the Feds came down and said "Well it's different because you're local/state LE..." I say NO!

merl
10-29-2013, 08:18
Strange- a lot of the cops I know fit into the category of "large amounts" of weapons. Hell, one of our firearms instructors is a retired Arvada PD SGT who owns countless weapons (2 safes plus another room all full of guns). If the Feds came down and said "Well it's different because you're local/state LE..." I say NO!

The thing is, they are not saying "Tell us about anyone with a large amount of weapons or ammunition." They are saying "Tell us about people with Illegal Weapons or Bombs." They go on to say "Unless there is some real evidence a terrorist act is being planned, don't bother us."
The only mention of ammunition is in the fluff portion, the unattributed examples.

The article just click bait from publicintelligence for the tinfoil crowd. The actual release (which I have not seen sourced from any gov area) is pretty useless.

KLR650
10-29-2013, 10:41
large amounts of weapons and ammo, so basically DHS.

osok-308
10-29-2013, 11:25
So does this mass amount of seasons apply to the DHS?

Jeffrey Lebowski
10-29-2013, 17:17
I forgot that they were even still a state.


Do we really feel that much better about things here?