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colorider
10-30-2013, 13:12
Live in Westminster and coyotes are snacking on neighborhood dogs. My beagles were freaking out last night at the fence. Behind the chain link fence is a dry ditch. . Neighbors dog became coyote dinner. There are several that are taking dogs from yards. Fences don't seem to keep the yotes out of the yards. I can't shoot them. Too loud and the area is not safe to be shooting a rifle or handgun. I do have a high power 177 cal nitro piston air gun, but that's probably not going to do much to the coyote.
Any suggestions on coyote repellent ? Would a 22cal high power air gun be useful? I would buy one.
trlcavscout
10-30-2013, 13:16
22 bolt with sub sonic ammo and a coke bottle. Poison is to risky for other animals.
I've read that if you mount PVC pipe along the top of your fence, it'll keep them out of your yard. If you mount the pipe on a rail/posts (Think toilet paper roll), it'll just spin when they try to jump up and climb over. The downside is you'd probably have to get all your neighbors to do it or have your direct neighbors be ok with you putting it on your shared, side fence. But that's still not a guarantee they stay away/out.
Wolf piss???
I've killed raccoons with my 177...Head shots from around 10-15 yards. I'm sure it would drop a coyote if you were at a fairly close range.
cfortune
10-30-2013, 13:24
I was having this problem with foxes a few years ago. I called animal control and they offered to come setup traps for $200 a pop. They said if I was caught disposing of them myself, I would be fined $2,000 per instance. One lady even said "They have more of a right to be there than you do". They had a den they dug out under my shed in my back yard. Eventually they went away. Probably after the local cat and rabbit population dwindled.
newracer
10-30-2013, 13:30
First thing to do is contact the DPW.
colorider
10-30-2013, 13:31
Wolf pee sounds like a good idea. Maybe they will have something at Murdochs. I really don't want to trap them. Then I have to deal with buying traps and most likely have people take them.
Crossbow? I value my two Beagles a helluva lot more than any damn mangy coyotes. I'd be on the phone and hollering for either help or authorization.
Anatolian Shepherd. Great watch dog, great protection for other dogs and your family. One can take 3 Coyotes.
Do you have kids? If so call the city and say the coyote jumped the fence when your kid was out playing. If you hadn't run out there you never know what could of happened. If they don't seem to responsive call the news stations and tell them.
Great-Kazoo
10-30-2013, 14:38
Some of my 223 sub loads, will cure that problem. Same day service.
Some of my 223 sub loads, will cure that problem. Same day service.
Shoot, shovel, shut up.
ChuckNorris
10-30-2013, 15:05
Shoot, shovel, shut up.
Shoot, DUMPSTER, Shut up.
We've had a family of coyotes in our yard too. Neighbors aee saying they haven't seen yotes in the neighborhood for 20 years.
james_bond_007
10-30-2013, 15:39
I was having this problem with foxes a few years ago. I called animal control and they offered to come setup traps for $200 a pop. They said if I was caught disposing of them myself, I would be fined $2,000 per instance. One lady even said "They have more of a right to be there than you do". They had a den they dug out under my shed in my back yard. Eventually they went away. Probably after the local cat and rabbit population dwindled.
DISCLAIMER: I claim to NOT be an expert on this subject, but am just reporting my research here...
From the FAQ section of the CPW http://wildlife.state.co.us/About/pages/faq.aspx
Question
Can I trap and relocate animal species myself?
Answer
Some types of wildlife can be live-trapped and killed legally on your own property. Some exterminators will do this for a price. However, this is not recommended as the first action. Removing a few individuals will not solve the problem, if wildlife species are finding what they need to live in your neighborhood. More animals will move into the area and fill the void, especially if there is food, water, cover and space for them to live.
Tree squirrels, cottontail rabbits and raccoons can be relocated without a permit provided that:
Colorado Parks and Wildlife has been notified in advance.
The relocation site is appropriate habitat for the species.
Permission has been obtained from the landowner or managing agency where the animal will be released.
The relocation must occur within 10 miles of the capture site.
If you want to relocate any other species, you must first obtain a Relocation Permit from CPW.
james_bond_007
10-30-2013, 15:50
DISCLAIMER: I claim to NOT be an expert on this subject, but am just reporting my research here...
Other Options for Nuisance Animals
From CPW http://hrcaonline.org/Portals/0/docs/PDF/Backcountry/Coyote/NuisanceWildlifeLaws.pdf
Nuisance Wildlife Laws in Colorado
Following are summaries of the most common regulations and statutes pertaining to nuisance wildlife. Again, these are
summaries … you can receive full copies of individual statutes and regulations upon request. State laws are also available on
the web at www.Colorado.gov/ (http://www.Colorado.gov/) by following the link to “government.” Keep in mind that these laws note what is restricted by
state statutes and permitted by Colorado Division of Wildlife (CDOW) regulations; however, local laws and ordinances may
be more specific about what is allowed at a certain location. It is your responsibility to determine whether it is legal to use a
particular method of take in your city or county. The CDOW does not require nor request the removal of wildlife deemed a
nuisance; the determination that a species has become a nuisance and should be removed is the prerogative of the landowner.
There are many non-lethal methods for discouraging the presence of wildlife. For information about co-existing with wildlife,
please call CDOW at 303/291-7227.
1.) WHAT CAN I DO IF WILDLIFE IS CAUSING DAMAGE ON MY PROPERTY?
Statute 33-6-107 (9), Wildlife Commission Regulation (WCR) 305(A), WCR 1000(A), WCR 312 and WCR 325
If wildlife is causing damage to crops, real or personal property, or livestock - a person (or any employee or agent of the
landowner) may hunt, trap, or take the following wildlife on lands owned or leased by the person without securing a
license to do so:
• Black-billed magpies, common crows, starlings, English or house sparrows, common pigeons, coyotes, bobcats, red
foxes, raccoons, jackrabbits, badgers, marmots, prairie dogs, pocket gophers, Richardson's ground squirrels, rock
squirrels, thirteen-lined ground squirrel, porcupines, crayfish, tiger salamanders, muskrats, beavers, exotic wildlife,
and common snapping turtles.
• Additional species include: tree squirrels, cottontail rabbits, marmots, porcupines, bats, mice (except Preble's meadow
jumping mouse), opossums, voles, rats, and ground squirrels.
• Any person may kill skunks or rattlesnakes when necessary to protect life or property.
• The pelts or hides of any mammal taken under these provisions may be transferred, possessed, traded, bartered, or sold
by any person who holds an appropriate small game or furbearer license. (For information on the possession and/or
disposal of pelts and hides of animals NOT listed above, including bear and lion, please contact the CDOW for
permission.)
2.) WHAT METHODS CAN I USE TO TAKE WILDLIFE WHEN THEY ARE CAUSING DAMAGE ON MY PROPERTY?
WCR 302(A)(3), WCR 302 (B) and WCR 303 (F)
Trapping and or shooting are the most common methods.
• If using firearms, check with your local authorities on the laws that apply to discharging a firearm.
• If trapping, the ONLY types of traps that may be used are LIVE (cage or box traps). (See #5 for exceptions.)
• Small game and furbearers captured in live traps cannot be moved from the capture site and must be killed or released on
site when the trap is checked. (See #3 and #4 following for exceptions.)
3.) WHICH WILDLIFE SPECIES CAN I RELOCATE WITHOUT A PERMIT?
WCR 302 (A)(3)
Tree squirrels, cottontail rabbits and raccoons can be relocated without a permit, provided that:
• The CDOW has been notified in advance.
• The relocation site is appropriate habitat for the species.
• Permission has been obtained from the landowner or managing agency where the animal will be released.
• The relocation must occur within 10 miles of the capture site.
4.) WHAT IF I WANT TO RELOCATE AN ANIMAL OTHER THAN TREE SQUIRRELS, COTTONTAILRABBITS OR RACCOONS?
WCR 302(A)(3), WCR 303(F)
If you want to relocate any other species, you must first obtain a Relocation Permit from the CDOW.
5.) WHEN CAN I USE BODY-GRIPPING/DEATH TRAPS?
Amend.14, Statute 33-6-203, Statute 33-6-204, Statute 33-6-207, Statute 33-6-208 and WCR 302(A)(2)
In November 1996, Amendment 14 was passed by ballot initiative. "This banned use of traps such as snares, Conibears,
leghold traps, etc. for the recreational take of wildlife".
• You can use body-gripping/ death traps for mice and rats without a permit (as listed in #1).
• Landowners, and others authorized by statute, may be eligible for a 30-day trapping permit where certain
body-gripping/death traps can be used in order to protect commercial livestock and/or commercial crop production.
• Specifications on traps are found under WCR 302 (E).
6.) WHAT HOURS CAN I TRAP AND WHEN MUST I INSPECT THE TRAPS?
WCR 301(B), Department of Agriculture (DOA) Statutes Title 35 and DOA regulations.
The following information below applies to anyone who is trapping (whether they are permitted to use body-gripping traps or live traps):
• Small game (except game birds), game reptiles and furbearers may be trapped day or night.
• All traps and snares MUST be visually checked AT LEAST ONCE EVERY DAY.
• Under 30 day exemption-regulations could vary. Persons can consult DOA statutes and regulations.
7.) CAN I KEEP ANY OF THE WILDLIFE THAT I CAPTURE?
WCR 009 (A), WCR 015(A) & (B), WCR. 107 (A) (j) & (l) and WCR 1000(A)
Up to four individuals of each of the following species and/or subspecies of reptiles and amphibians may be taken annually and held in captivity, provided that no more than twelve in the aggregate may be possessed at any time:
• Woodhouse's toad, plains spadefoot, western chorus frog, painted turtle, western box turtle, sagebrush lizard, tree lizard, side-blotched lizard, prairie & plateau lizards, bullsnake, western terrestrial garter snake, lesser earless lizard, western whiptail, racer and western hognose snake.
• Snapping turtles may also be taken. Bullfrogs and aquatic salamanders (less than 5 inches) may be taken year round if the person possesses a valid fishing license.
• If these species have not been in contact with species from other geographic areas, they may be returned to the wild but shall not be returned in a distance over 10 miles from where they were captured.
• No other live wildlife may be held in captivity unless you are authorized/licensed by the CDOW to do so.
8.) CAN I EVER USE TOXICANTS/POISONS ON WILDLIFE?
Statute 33-6-130, Statute 33-6-209, WCR 303 (B).
Some toxicants are legal for Richardson's ground squirrel, rock squirrel, thirteen-lined ground squirrel, pocket gopher, marmots, black-tailed, white-tailed, and Gunnison prairie dogs when causing damage on private property. Most rats and mice also fall under this category. Some poisons are available over the counter. You must follow label instructions. Poisons may only be used for species indicated on the box, and application directions must be followed in order for poison to be lawful. Regardless of whether a poison or toxicant is legal by statute, it is your responsibility to check with local authorities about restrictions on specific poisons and toxicants at your location.
9.) CAN I SHOOT A BLACK BEAR OR MOUNTAIN LION IF IT IS ATTACKING MY DOG OR MY LIVESTOCK? Statute 33-3-106
• Black bears and mountain lions CAN NOT be destroyed when they are causing damage to personal property, including pets.
• Black bears and mountain lions CAN be killed when it is NECESSARY to prevent them from inflicting death or injury to LIVESTOCK, HUMAN LIFE, real property, or a motor vehicle. Any wildlife killed shall remain the property of the state, and such killing shall be reported to the division within five days. “Real property” means land and generally whatever is erected or growing upon or affixed to land. (Note: “Personal Property” means everything that is subject to ownership, other than real estate. Personal property includes moveable and tangible things, such as animals, furniture and merchandise.)
10.) DOES THE CDOW MANAGE DOMESTIC "WILDLIFE?"
Statute 33-1-102 (51), WCR 1103(A)
The CDOW does not manage domestic species of ducks, geese, rats, mice, European ferrets, pigeons, guinea fowl or peafowl. Check with your county or city’s municipal code for restrictions on domestic “wildlife.”
For more information on Colorado’s wildlife,
We had skunks, called DOW and they brought out a bottle of stuff to kill them. We trapped them, had a hypodermic on the end of a 10' pole, gave them a dose and done. Put them in a bag and DOW picked them up when we called. We had racoons, foxes and coyotes and got the same story. Over 2 years, probably 30 animals done the same way. Granted, it was years ago. Relocation is harder than killing them, so we let the foxes go free.
My assistant lives in Erie, at dusk a Coyote picked up her dog from the driveway, with the whole family out front, and made it 2 houses down before it dropped the little dog.
They are definitely increasing in numbers and they are very adaptable and will get bolder and bolder if the pickins are easy. We have our neighborhood fox back now, but it was gone for over a year, during which coyote sightings were common.
Coyotes are carnivores, so it's unlikely wolf urine would drive them off. You can suppress a .22 LR with a plastic soda bottle, but it will throw the accuracy off and .22 LR doesn't have much pop to start with. A bow is silent, but there's a risk the coyote will run off and someone will report a dead coyote with one of your arrows in it. Poisoned bait works well, but would put other animals at risk too. Rat pellets mixed in raw burger and a bowl full of antifreeze will do it.
Yeah, and most of that is illegal too.
A friend had a coyote try to take his small dog off the end of his leash in the suburbs of Westminster a few weeks ago.
Hefty bags
jerrymrc
10-30-2013, 18:19
Subsonic 22's make less noise than an airgun at least out of my rifle. Super colbri's measured 740-750 out of my 18" Marlin.
A friend had a coyote try to take his small dog off the end of his leash in the suburbs of Westminster a few weeks ago.
Hefty bags
That is nuts, coyotes usually aren't that bold. On the positive side, however, if you have a CCW permit it should be legal in most places to shoot a coyote that is actively attacking you or a leashed dog.
Subsonic 22's make less noise than an airgun at least out of my rifle. Super colbri's measured 740-750 out of my 18" Marlin.
100% correct.
That is nuts, coyotes usually aren't that bold. On the positive side, however, if you have a CCW permit it should be legal in most places to shoot a coyote that is actively attacking you or a leashed dog.
that involves more paperwork and explanations. Hefty bags...
50 rounds of super colibri to the OP if he wants it. I'll be in westminster sunday
That is nuts, coyotes usually aren't that bold. On the positive side, however, if you have a CCW permit it should be legal in most places to shoot a coyote that is actively attacking you or a leashed dog.
Pets are considered personal property...you might want to check your statutes on that one just in case. Legal, and common sense reasonable are no longer the same.
Pets are considered personal property...you might want to check your statutes on that one just in case. Legal, and common sense reasonable are no longer the same.
"I was in fear of death or great bodily injury". It's plausible, because a coyote that has become acclimated to humans to the extent that they're willing to attack a pet on a leash would definitely be a threat to a person.
Some of my 223 sub loads, will cure that problem. Same day service.
:)
colorider
10-30-2013, 19:58
Wulf,
would be great to get some super colibri from ya! Very kind offer.
Pm me what time you would like to meet and what you would like for,the ammo.
I have a clear view of my entire back yard and fence area from my bedroom. Turns out, my bed is a perfect platform for a sniper perch.
Holger Danske
10-30-2013, 20:05
Anatolian Shepherd. Great watch dog, great protection for other dogs and your family. One can take 3 Coyotes.
+ 1 I have 2 Great Pyranees, the cousin to the Anatolian Sheperd. Mine have run off a ton of coyotes. The downside is they like to bark alot.
Zundfolge
10-30-2013, 20:23
You can suppress a .22 LR with a plastic soda bottle, but it will throw the accuracy off and .22 LR doesn't have much pop to start with.
Keep in mind that doing so is without proper paperwork from F-Troop is illegal manufacture and possession of an unregistered suppressor under the NFA and is a federal felony ... so if you do it, be very careful who knows about it and how you dispose of the bottle.
Someone else suggested the soda bottle. I was just advising him not to do that. "The defendant is charged with . . . possession of an unregistered soda bottle?"
Wulf,
would be great to get some super colibri from ya! Very kind offer.
Pm me what time you would like to meet and what you would like for,the ammo.
I have a clear view of my entire back yard and fence area from my bedroom. Turns out, my bed is a perfect platform for a sniper perch.
Oh yeah, and if you can shoot from far enough inside the room and away from the window, that'll help kill the sound a lot.
anaphylaxis
10-30-2013, 21:02
Super Colibri is extremely quiet when fired from a .22 rifle with a long barrel. It is a lot louder from a handgun. FWIW
Wulf,
would be great to get some super colibri from ya! Very kind offer.
Pm me what time you would like to meet and what you would like for,the ammo.
I have a clear view of my entire back yard and fence area from my bedroom. Turns out, my bed is a perfect platform for a sniper perch.
PM'd
Super Colibri is extremely quiet when fired from a .22 rifle with a long barrel.
So fired though an open window from the back side of a bedroom, it should be reasonably undetectable? Awesome. Do they have enough power to take out a 'yote?
BushMasterBoy
10-30-2013, 21:49
Baby bottle nipple with an X cut in it.
So fired though an open window from the back side of a bedroom, it should be reasonably undetectable? Awesome. Do they have enough power to take out a 'yote?
From the PM I sent
If you have a 10/22 they will hand cycle pretty well from a factory mag and only make a small pop like those popits from the 4th of july. Once in a while you have one stick in the barrel of a longer barreled gun especially with lead build up present. They drop a bit so you want to get your range down.
Also, they will do serious damage so be careful. Example, there's a dent in my spagetti pot. Filled it with 6" of water and fired from a walther p22 straight down. They go thru rabbits and thru the garden hose behind it. Thru pigeons and the fence board behind them etc.
colorider
10-30-2013, 22:26
will be used in a winchester model 61. Pump action. Will be uber quiet and the gun is super accurate. Also have a 10/22. Will see which one is going to work the best.
Thanks again wulf.!!!!!
anaphylaxis
10-30-2013, 22:52
So fired though an open window from the back side of a bedroom, it should be reasonably undetectable? Awesome. Do they have enough power to take out a 'yote?
The power is very minimal. IIRC, the ammunition is just primer and a very small piece of lead. It can be stopped by 10 manila folders placed back to back (I've checked). The main thing it's good for is a very basic indoor shooting range so you can shoot a .22 without earpro. As to it's ability to really take out anything, I have serious doubts...
The power is very minimal. IIRC, the ammunition is just primer and a very small piece of lead. It can be stopped by 10 manila folders placed back to back (I've checked). The main thing it's good for is a very basic indoor shooting range so you can shoot a .22 without earpro. As to it's ability to really take out anything, I have serious doubts...
Simply put one in his lung and you won't have to worry about disposing of the body.
I suggest a bait pile of something like bacon and sardines.
Get your setup ready well ahead of time, and get sighted in on the bait pile.
I wouldn't use the .22 rounds that are just the primer. Use the ones that have powder and weigh a lot. They travel at 700 something fps and are still more quiet than a pellet rifle when fired from a bolt gun.
RCCrawler
10-30-2013, 23:54
I can't believe all of the illegal advice in this thread.
The Colibri are great for things like rabbits. It may not drop a coyote though. A .22 WMR is about the minimum you'd want for a coyote unless you just want to teach 'em to stay away from your land.
I can't believe all of the illegal advice in this thread.
Yeah, most all of it is "illegal", 90% of it is "common sense law". So with that being said, SSS and be done with it.
I can't believe all of the illegal advice in this thread.
Why can't you believe it? It's all true! ;)
No one has mentioned getting a roadrunner.
losttrail
10-31-2013, 07:27
No one has mentioned getting a roadrunner.
Or contacting ACME.
BPTactical
10-31-2013, 07:40
No one has mentioned getting a roadrunner.
"Meep, Meep"
Set up defensive perimeter with claymores and trip flares, lay down suppressing fire from high ground.
Hey, it works in Grand Junction when your out shooting in the adobe hills, right?
I would contact all of the neighbors who have been affected and then contact the city and DOW as a group.
You will carry more weight as a group.
james_bond_007
10-31-2013, 08:02
Pets are considered personal property...
Except (kind of/sort of) in the odd-ball city of Boulder, where dog "owners" are now called "Dog Guardians".
http://user.govoutreach.com/boulder/faq.php?cid=23221
..but to your point, probably still considered personal property.
colorider
10-31-2013, 08:25
Animal control was contacted. The response was " yea, 2 weeks ago somebody reported 3 coyotes eating something big in the ditch ". Call us back if it happens again. ". If a coyote is in my yard looking for me kid or beagles, it's going to die. Simple as that. Not going to worry about laws at that point for a menace coyote. Going to dispatch with extreme prejudice in a safe manner. Be it a pellet, quiet 22, throwing knife, poison dart.
Special Ed
10-31-2013, 08:39
Run the thing over with your Baja and be done with it :)
ChunkyMonkey
10-31-2013, 11:56
Why can't you believe it? It's all true! ;)
Just relabel your raccoon stick and loan it to the op!!!
UrbanWolf
10-31-2013, 12:25
No one has mentioned getting a roadrunner.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/19600/449343-80932_big.jpg
Kraven251
10-31-2013, 12:44
Hi, I am here to relocate the coyotes, to a 4ft hole.
buffalobo
10-31-2013, 13:16
Catch them and release them out in my neighborhood. We killed all the ones we had and need more.
colorider
11-01-2013, 15:35
It's the godamn wild kingdom over here. Another neighbor had their dog ripped up by a gray horned owl on Wednesday. Little foofy dog. Talons just tore the dang dog up. Was too big to fly with it so it left it in the yard. Have seen this owl a lot hanging out on our chimney. Damn cool looking bird. Our beagles must be big enough that it does not want to mess with them.
spqrzilla
11-01-2013, 21:47
If you can kill it by stepping on it, it ain't a dog.
BushMasterBoy
11-01-2013, 22:01
35873
buffalobo
11-01-2013, 22:12
If you can kill it by stepping on it, it ain't a dog.
[rockon] , but what do you call it?
I've got a .25 cal condor I'd love for someone to sight in if you have some time. This isn't my video but this one is easily as quite with 28gr pellets at about 950 FPS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHH-BOXfDak
buckshotbarlow
11-02-2013, 08:07
Shoot, DUMPSTER, Shut up.
sling, black trash bag, dumpster, zip it. wear gloves....Best thing is to all the police and say that your kids where scared and almost attacked, like another poster said...
Keep the Beagles in the house in the early morning and early evening- "City coyotes" are vary brave vs. the "wild" coyotes here, which are pussies
(when it comes to human contact). My brother in law lives in Aurora and sprays bear spray on the outside of his fence that backs to open space
and his 4 shitzu's are ok.... my 3 cents is to sit on point with a high power C02 BB gun and snipe 'em..... [AR15]
hghclsswhitetrsh
11-03-2013, 21:05
I will lend you my 155 pound blood hound. Almost guarantee he will be awake enough to intimidate the coyotes.
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