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on fox now.....no real info just the guy had a rifle
gunman is shot and "down" whatever that means
Lex_Luthor
11-01-2013, 11:01
how convenient.
He found out you could use electronic devices below 10000 feet.
DeusExMachina
11-01-2013, 11:10
how convenient.
To what?
battle_sight_zero
11-01-2013, 11:13
Geez the newscasters are all ready interviewing witnesses, setting up for the anti gun agenda. Witnesses saying man with rifle asking people if they were TSA. Targeted TSA.....media wanting details on the rifle.
Just a matter of time before Obozo and his state controlled media take to the airwaves to use this shooting to promote their anti-gun agenda.
All I know is I'm keeping my head down till the Obama Care BS is figured out. You know they need to do something to divert attention.
Just what California needed to take the rest of the guns left in their state.
Geology Rocks
11-01-2013, 11:36
Not possible. Gun laws
TSA agents were the first to haul ass.
BPTactical
11-01-2013, 11:51
Somebody finally got sick of their junk being frisked.
Saying it occurred in a "secure area".
How would one get a firearm in a "secure area"?
Funny how when the WH, MAIG or any other anti 2A group announces renewed efforts there is a "high profile" incident involving a firearm.
Coinkydink? Of course it is!
Nothing to see here, move along, pick up that can citizen.
" Sir you need to go through the scanner"
"OK here hold my gun while I go through"
maybe it was a comfort rifle (like the dogs), and when they frisked him the rifle unloaded by itself. liberals would believe it!
BPTactical
11-01-2013, 12:09
Allegedly a TSA employee is the perp.
If so, interesting how this will be spun.
Batten down the hatches boys and girls...
Somebody Please take care of the movie stars. Pretty sure Gwyneth Paltrow is on the phone requesting security.
I'm watching the feed on fox.. my god these guys are idiots.
I'm watching the feed on fox.. my god these guys are idiots.
Too Stupid for Arbys at your circus.
Batteriesnare
11-01-2013, 12:36
Allegedly a TSA employee is the perp.
If so, interesting how this will be spun.
Batten down the hatches boys and girls...
Found out his foodstamps/gov't cheeses was being reduced.
Found out his foodstamps/gov't cheeses was being reduced.
Probably pissed he got ratted out stealing somethiing from a passenger.
TSA = Thieving Shitstain Assholes
stoner01
11-01-2013, 12:40
Tards Standing Around
Well I was referring to the newscasters.. but hating on TSA is allowed.
Batteriesnare
11-01-2013, 12:58
Chief of police says suspect pulled an "assault rifle" out of a bag.
Not possible, they're illegal in CA.
[fail]
Kraven251
11-01-2013, 13:02
and ammo was just coming available...
well at the very least I don't have to spend cash on magazines this christmas
Kraven251
11-01-2013, 13:05
some say they heard 10 shots, others say 15 ...so better watch out 15 rounds may be too many
Kraven251
11-01-2013, 13:08
and NY ...fuck you.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/lax-gunman-opens-fire-la-airport-article-1.1503916
LAX shooting: TSA worker and gunman dead after automatic rifle rampage inside Los Angeles International Airport Terminal 3[hahhah-no]
theGinsue
11-01-2013, 13:14
How'd he get ahold of an "automatic rifle"?
Oh yeah, ALL evil looking black rifles are fully auto and all. How silly of me.
and NY ...fuck you.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/lax-gunman-opens-fire-la-airport-article-1.1503916
LAX shooting: TSA worker and gunman dead after automatic rifle rampage inside Los Angeles International Airport Terminal 3
[hahhah-no]
and this automatic rifle is described as a a shotgun in the next sentence.
DSG's $950 sale on 6920's to be sold out in 3......2.....1...
blacklabel
11-01-2013, 13:23
There was apparently a drill ran for this type of scenario 10 days ago.
Is 1 dead going to classified as a "mass shooting"?
Batteriesnare
11-01-2013, 13:43
Picture from the news looks like a Mini 14....
buffalobo
11-01-2013, 13:47
Is 1 dead going to classified as a "mass shooting"?
Of course, think of the children.
SuperiorDG
11-01-2013, 13:50
Picture from the news looks like a Mini 14....
http://i.imgur.com/nVtRMhv.jpg
Either that or a Caifornacated AR15
DSG's $950 sale on 6920's to be sold out in 3......2.....1...
Link?
LINK!!!!!!
There was apparently a drill ran for this type of scenario 10 days ago.
You don't say? Those training excercises are turning out to be pretty deadly...
I always disliked the LAX Chair/bench.
http://i.imgur.com/nVtRMhv.jpg
Either that or a CA AR15
Link?
LINK!!!!!!
There's a section of ar-15.co called "buyer intel", give it a whirl.
looks like an AR, but I didn't think they could have detachable mags? bullet button?
maybe an older one that wasn't registered, or maybe one brought into the state...wait...that would be illegal!!!!!! I got an idea, lets band together and make another law that says you must notify california if you are planning on bringing any guns into the state even if they are currently legal. this will surely stop these terrible things from happening. now they will have to break that law, the one that it is illegal for these assault weapons to cross the state border, another law saying you can't have one in an airport past security, and the others one not allowing you to shoot people and try to kill them, or even point it at them. one more law....its all we need guys!
hollohas
11-01-2013, 14:29
The picture of the gun is well past security. He had to get past lots of TSA to get that far...guess they failed at the second part of their title....
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Double Super Ban. That will solve it.
Fox news guy is reporting that it was in fact an AR7. Fully Automatic. Correct me if I am wrong but isn't that the old pistol looking thing with a stock for storage?
Pic in the photo looks like an AR15 type to me. Also looks like a 30 round mag next to it. Not sure how those got into the state.
hollohas
11-01-2013, 14:32
And he would have had to get by A LOT of people standing in line at the checkpoint that time of day...
And he would have had to get by A LOT of people standing in line at the checkpoint that time of day...
The other people in the security line are not looking in his bag with an Xray machine though.
Maybe a worker? I know TSA doesn't do a great job but if they let a rifle through the Xray.... WOW.
Everything I've heard is that the shooter is a TSA employee, that is how he got the rifle through.
Who watches the watchers? No one, because the law is meant for us peons, not the elite government employee.
SuperiorDG
11-01-2013, 14:56
Everything I've heard is that the shooter is a TSA employee, that is how he got the rifle through.
Who watches the watchers? No one, because the law is meant for us peons, not the elite government employee.
I think it's SOP that if you are an employee at the Airport you are not searched like you are at screening.
hollohas
11-01-2013, 14:57
The other people in the security line are not looking in his bag with an Xray machine though.
You think he waited until it was in the xray before he pulled it out???? [Whacko]
TSA employees have to go through security too. Some reports are now saying he WAS NOT an employee. Sounds like he started shooting outside security and worked his way in which I think is the most likely scenario. Much more likely than him sneaking a rifle in...
blacklabel
11-01-2013, 15:00
They're now reporting that he was a traveler with a ticket. Who the F knows at this point.
If it is true that he is a TSA employee, my point is further proven. What is to stop terrorists or people who wish to do harm to get a job at TSA, or with an airline....or maybe not even a job that doesn't requires a background check or clearance or digging too deep....say something like a truck driver that drops off the food to the various restaurants, a contractor )electrician, plumber, etc) hired with all the fed money that gets dumped into every airport, the company in charge of filling the soda and candy and ice cream machines, the trash collection company that has to haul all that waste. Airports are mini citys, and requires every kind of worker.
They're now reporting that he was a traveler with a ticket. Who the F knows at this point.
Exactly, it will probably be a while before we have any "real facts". The picture sure looks like it's past security and if you were going on a shooting spree why would you buy a ticket?
hollohas
11-01-2013, 15:04
I think it's SOP that if you are an employee at the Airport you are not searched like you are at screening.
Not in my experience of 9 years of business travel. Airport employees go through security. Their bags go in the xray like anyone else. Many don't even bother bringing bags through.
Jesus-With-A-.45
11-01-2013, 15:06
& in unrelated news.........8x's more people die each year in DUI related crashes than non-suicide gun deaths.
Exactly, it will probably be a while before we have any "real facts". The picture sure looks like it's past security and if you were going on a shooting spree why would you buy a ticket?
I don't know...Maybe access to a low risk, target-rich environment?
hollohas
11-01-2013, 15:08
or maybe not even a job that doesn't requires a background check or clearance or digging too deep....say something like a truck driver that drops off the food to the various restaurants, a contractor )electrician, plumber, etc) hired with all the fed money that gets dumped into every airport, the company in charge of filling the soda and candy and ice cream machines, the trash collection company that has to haul all that waste. Airports are mini citys, and requires every kind of worker.
All go through security. Daily newspapers go through. The soda goes through. They have special plastic bins that most of that goes through in. Electricians and plumbers typically do have to have checks of some sort and are issued badges. Although I agree that with so much material and so many people moving in and out, there are holes. But I don't think simply being an employee is one of them...
All go through security. Daily newspapers go through. The soda goes through. They have special plastic bins that most of that goes through in. Electricians and plumbers typically do have to have checks of some sort and are issued badges. Although I agree that with so much material and so many people moving in and out, there are holes. But I don't think simply being an employee is one of them...
sorry but that is flat wrong, i know for fact.
the drivers get a badge and go through some type of background check, but even people like contractors could end up being escorts and bringing multiple guys in for a job.
You think he waited until it was in the xray before he pulled it out???? [Whacko]
TSA employees have to go through security too. Some reports are now saying he WAS NOT an employee. Sounds like he started shooting outside security and worked his way in which I think is the most likely scenario. Much more likely than him sneaking a rifle in...
The picture above is past security.
Details will come out then we'll have a better idea of what went down.
Right now I'm most surprised that so few were injured. Either security was actually on the ball once the threat showed and dropped him fast or he was not a very good shot. (or just perhaps guns are not the WMDs they are portrayed as)
I don't know...Maybe access to a low risk, target-rich environment?
You have any idea how easy a boarding pass is to fake? Until they start verifying them electronically against the airline computers it is trivial to get into the secure part of airport (not that it would get you on a plane.)
SuperiorDG
11-01-2013, 15:21
sorry but that is flat wrong, i know for fact.
the drivers get a badge and go through some type of background check, but even people like contractors could end up being escorts and bringing multiple guys in for a job.
Correct. Been there done that. Drove my truck out to concourse C and the only thing they checked was to make sure I had noting in the back that would blow out onto the taxi way.
hollohas
11-01-2013, 15:25
sorry but that is flat wrong, i know for fact.
the drivers get a badge and go through some type of background check, but even people like contractors could end up being escorts and bringing multiple guys in for a job.
Our experiences differ. I have supplied material to many different electricians for DIA jobs and each one that worked post-security has been badged. I have no idea what the rules are, just what I have dealt with.
And it seems the rules for employees and contractors doesn't matter in this case because the guy started shooting outside security according to airport police.
Law enforcement and civil officials held a press conference around 2:45 p.m. Friday. Chief of Airport Police Patrick Gannon confirmed that a gunman arrived at Terminal 3 at 9:20 a.m. where he “pulled an assault rifle out of a bag and began to open fire in the terminal.”
Gannon said the gunman, who was not identified by authorities, then proceeded up into the screening area, where TSA screeners were, and he continued shooting. From there, the gunman went back through airport itself. He got past the checkpoint and moved further into the terminal. Authorities tracked him down and shot him near the Burger King
Link (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-live-lax-shooting-tsa-agent-alleged-gunman-shot-20131101,0,3517669.story#axzz2jQXz0unP)
thvigil11
11-01-2013, 15:26
Used to work out there on occasion. A quick check at the contractor entrance of my service truck. They confiscated my pocket knife, but let me through with a truck full of tools, saws, knifes, welder, oxy/ acet bottles and assorted fun chemicals.
[Metal]
On Friday afternoon, the Los Angeles airport shooter was identified as Paul Anthony Ciancia, a 23-year-old L.A. resident with “strong anti-government views.” Those views were reportedly based on literature he had on him [ROFL1] at the time he was incapacitated by L.A. police. According to a report by the Associated Press, that literature included a note in which Ciancia said he “wanted to kill TSA and pigs.”
Link (http://www.mediaite.com/online/lax-shooter-paul-anthony-ciancia%E2%80%99s-anti-govt-literature-included-note-targeting-tsa-and-pigs/) to article!
lowbeyond
11-01-2013, 16:23
No one forces you to fly. Don't want to get shot at, don't fly!
Amrite?
Ps another shooting in a gun free zone. No one could see that coming......
[panic] We are the media. We have to get a story. [panic]
Never let the facts stand in the way of a good story.
Is there any "relevant" reporting on this story?
Used to work out there on occasion. A quick check at the contractor entrance of my service truck. They confiscated my pocket knife, but let me through with a truck full of tools, saws, knifes, welder, oxy/ acet bottles and assorted fun chemicals.
[Metal]
I'm LMAO they would search the truck from top to bottom going in. They had NO idea what they were looking for, welder, torches, cad powder, etc. OK
Leaving we coulda taken everthing including, skid steers, materials, electronics, the whole damn job, you name it.
hollohas
11-01-2013, 16:51
Correct. Been there done that. Drove my truck out to concourse C and the only thing they checked was to make sure I had noting in the back that would blow out onto the taxi way.
Boy you guys had it easy considering the airport rules require a lot more security.
20.04-4 (http://business.flydenver.com/info/research/rules/masters/20_security.pdf) Airport Identification Badges and Access Areas
All individuals employed at the Airport with Secured Area and/or Sterile access, or working in the
Jeppesen Terminal, parking facilities, Ground Transportation facilities, or anywhere else on airport
property as determined by the Director of Security or designee, must obtain a DEN Airport ID
badge.
130.03 (http://business.flydenver.com/info/research/rules/masters/130_movement_vehicles.pdf) Secured Area Driver Training
Denver International Airport will train all unescorted Secured Area drivers and will test them on
the procedures and rules outlined in this Part and applicable FAA Regulations. Training and
testing will be provided in the English language only. Before being allowed to be issued an
Airport ID badge with Driver Authorization, the employee must be able to successfully complete
and pass the Airport’s training and testing requirements.
SideShow Bob
11-01-2013, 17:05
At least Fox 31 reported it as a "semi-automatic rifle, the picture of it that they showed, it was a Ruger Mini-14 or 30, equipped with a Choate folding stock.
generalmeow
11-01-2013, 17:13
The guys last name is CIA n' CIA. Hmm.
1800 FUCK YOU
UrbanWolf
11-01-2013, 17:37
Looks like an AR with the Cali legal mag that barely sticks out of the magwell.
*EDIT: I just noticed the "standard" looking mag by the side of it.
http://i.imgur.com/nVtRMhv.jpg
Either that or a Caifornacated AR15
BPTactical
11-01-2013, 17:59
The guys last name is CIA n' CIA. Hmm.
Interesting point. The tinfoilers will have a field day with that one.
Feinswine just introduced legislation lending more justification and tooth to the NSA's data mining operations.
Interesting how this "anti government" motivated individual just happened to perp his crime in CA, home of Feinswine.
Madeinhb
11-01-2013, 19:01
I'm back here visiting. I swear it wasn't me
Not in my experience of 9 years of business travel. Airport employees go through security. Their bags go in the xray like anyone else. Many don't even bother bringing bags through.
There aren't even x-ray machines at the employee turnstiles any more. A very, very, very small percentage of employees are searched.
California is the test zone for gun laws on steroids and it does nothing to solve the lunatic crime spree problem. At least now it is confirmed that all the ban crap you can dream up and implement won't stop a lunatic that wants to kill people. Do you think anybody with a brain is going to say that another law that only limits what law biding citizens can do is going to stop any already illegal crime? It's only the fault of the tool of death (gun) when one of these lunatics shoots somebody, if the same guy drives a car through a crowded airport to see how many he can kill, then it's a problem of a troubled youth.
Do you think anybody with a brain is going to say that another law that only limits what law biding citizens can do is going to stop any already illegal crime?
Silly man. This has nothing to do with reason or logic. It's all about emotion.
Silly man. This has nothing to do with reason or logic. It's all about emotion.
exactly. I really FEEL that something could have been done. if only the right law were in place, this all could have been prevented.
They should begin screening people before they enter the airport. Then the checkpoints would be safe to screen people before they got on airplanes. [Sarcasm2]
UrbanWolf
11-01-2013, 22:30
They should begin screening people before they enter the airport. Then the checkpoints would be safe to screen people before they got on airplanes. [Sarcasm2]
Might as well put everyone on a leash while they are inside an airport.
BPTactical
11-02-2013, 06:09
If we just make everybody strip naked before they are herded to the showers....or cattle cars.....or aircraft........
anaphylaxis
11-02-2013, 06:40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq-G4HATiC8
johngraves2
11-02-2013, 07:11
One of the best descriptions of the rifle used and the a good start to explaining the Cali law: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/11/02/21281046-motive-weapon-police-response-key-questions-remain-in-la-airport-shooting?lite
"How did he get the gun?Authorities aren't yet saying, but however he acquired it, he was carrying it illegally — loaded weapons are forbidden in airports unless you're a law enforcement agent with a special reason to have one. Even the TSA agents at checkpoints are unarmed.
But did the gunman have the weapon legally otherwise? Probably not. Authorities described the weapon as a .223-caliber AR-15 semiautomatic rifle. "AR-15" is a specific model made by Colt, but other gun companies manufacture knock-offs, which are often generically referred to as AR-15s. Transporting or importing most of those is banned in California.
There are exceptions depending on who manufactured the weapon or whether the owner has made several complicated modifications that can make it legal. Outside those exceptions, an AR-15 is generally defined as an "assault weapon," the transportation or importing of which is illegal in California (http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/cacode/PEN/3/4/2/2.3/1/s12276.1).
Gannon, the airport police chief, didn't specify the manufacturer, so theoretically the AR-15 used Friday could have been legal. But he also expressly called it an "assault rifle" — and transporting those is a felony.
funkymonkey1111
11-02-2013, 08:43
This article has the same tired liberal analysis of the incident, with a few interesting tidbits
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_LAX_SHOOTING?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-11-01-16-42-54
first, the sheeple mentality (hide and pray):
They took refuge behind a ticket counter where she said people prayed, cried and held hands. She watched as one person jumped from a second-floor balcony to get away from the gunman.
"Adrenaline went through my head, my body went numb, and I said, `If I have to go, it's OK because I'm not going to feel it, but I have to save him,'" Rainer said.
second, the welcome absence of a "disturbing quality" in a person:
Ciancia's former roommate in Los Angeles, James Mincey, said he appeared to be unemployed but never showed any disturbing qualities, such as a fascination with guns.
luckily for all of us he wasn't fascinated by guns--if he was he would've been a kook!
mountainjenny
11-02-2013, 08:46
I always thought my qualities were ok. I'm saddened to learn they are are disturbing.
blacklabel
11-02-2013, 09:09
I always thought my qualities were ok. I'm saddened to learn they are are disturbing.
Embrace it.
trlcavscout
11-02-2013, 10:33
Well hoooollllleeeee shit! You mean to tell me he did not legally carry that baby killing assault rifle in there? OMG like I can't believe he broke the law!!! If he hadnt broke the law they would still be alive.
UrbanWolf
11-02-2013, 15:04
It has been confirmed an AR-15 was used.
http://bearingarms.com/first-image-emerges-of-lax-shooters-ar-15-rifle-raising-disturbing-questions/
blacklabel
11-02-2013, 15:21
It has been confirmed an AR-15 was used.
http://bearingarms.com/first-image-emerges-of-lax-shooters-ar-15-rifle-raising-disturbing-questions/
Didn't we know this yesterday when the bloody clothes/LEO/gun picture was distributed?
UrbanWolf
11-02-2013, 15:22
Didn't we know this yesterday when the bloody clothes/LEO/gun picture was distributed?
That one wasn't close/clear enough, it even looked like a Tacti-fucked mini-14
blacklabel
11-02-2013, 15:25
That one wasn't close/clear enough, it even looked like a Tacti-fucked mini-14
Right...
funkymonkey1111
11-05-2013, 18:38
just saw a CBS news report about a search warrant for the shooter's phone wherein they were looking for information about his beliefs about the "legitimacy of the operation of the United States government" and the "NWO." Then, without reference to his organization, they speak to a man who "tracks" these groups--Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center. There would be little difference if you had a black defendant and had a spokesman from the Klan on the news
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