Personal gun registration mandated for active duty servicemen!!

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http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44015

I've been in contact with one such soldier who gave me this scan to post. This is going to go viral. We know it's happening at Ft. Campbell and there is at least one report that it is happening at Ft. Benning also.

Here are the forms. The first 2 are the list requiring all the serial number, etc info, and the last is a memorandum we had to sign after the list. The memorandum simply is an order in writing to provide the information required on the list to the chain of command for any additional firearms we aquire after 11 March.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f9/luv2ski80007/GunRegistration/weapons-sheet-2.jpg

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f9/luv2ski80007/GunRegistration/weapons-sheet-1.jpg

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f9/luv2ski80007/GunRegistration/weapons-sheet-3.jpg

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One of the UziTalk members may have hit on a law prohibiting such action by the Army. I know you give up some rights in the military, but Geez! WTF is going on here?:


Registry prohibition
The act also forbade the U.S. Government or any agency of it from keeping a registry directly linking non-National Firearms Act firearms to their owners, the specific language of this law ( Federal Law 18 U.S.C. 926 (2) (a)) being: No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or disposition be established. Nothing in this section expands or restricts the Secretary's authority to inquire into the disposition of any firearm in the course of a criminal investigation.

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This isn't anything new. I got out two years ago and we had to register them to have at on-post housing. Provost Marshal requires it. Now as for off-post soldiers I have no idea if they were required. It isn't a big deal. Your on record buying them somewhere anyways ,unless person to person. No scare here. Its the military. Lots of dumb @sses are in the service and I think it is a good idea for the command to know who has what. If you don't like being told what to do and how to do it don't join. Its called military SERVICE for a reason. Come to think of it owning guns got me in good with my command.

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That's been the rule on military installations for a lot longer than that. My very first duty assignment required registering any personal owned firearms if you lived on base. And you had to store them with the SPs and check them in and out. This was way back in 1965. But they could care less if you lived off base as I did in 1969.

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It isn't a big deal.With all due respect, a government registry of firearms is a huge deal (not to mention that it may violate the law, as the poster before you indicated). Don't forget that when one leaves the military, the government still has that information. Since millions of people go through the military, it doesn't take long to have the start of a nationwide registry of firearms, particularly when combined with the FFL transfer lists. Once the military can be forced to register all their personal weapons, do you really doubt it will be long before police forces will be required to do the same thing? And then private security firms, followed by anyone whom the government graciously grants a CCW permit? Do not forget that there are many, many influential politicians in this country who want America to be like Europe, where private citizens are almost completely prohibited from defending their homes with firearms. All they are looking for is an opportunity to move America further to the left. If we allow them to push us that way without objection, we will have only ourselves to blame.

There is only one point to registration schemes like this: to allow government to know what guns exist, who has them, and where they are located (getting this information is the point of military off-duty registration and FFL transfer forms).

Registration is always the first step prior to giving government control of your property, typically by then requiring a license for you to possess and use your property. At that point, you have already lost, because the government can then put new restrictions on your license, require renewal on a form requiring any information they want, charge you an exorbitant fee, or even decide you are no longer eligible for a license. You may laugh, but that is exactly how full-auto guns have effectively been outlawed in this country.


While I agree there is a consideration of 2nd Amendment violation to this, with the growing amount of domestic violence cases within the military, there has been a very loud cry for leadership to do something to protect the victims. This registration is clearly their response.theGinsue, I really hope you are not suggesting that this action by the government is reasonable in any way. If you ever feel yourself moving to the dark side, I urge you to re-read the excellent quote from Patrick Henry you put at the bottom of your posts.

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With all due respect, a government registry of firearms is a huge deal (not to mention that it may violate the law, as the poster before you indicated). Don't forget that when one leaves the military, the government still has that information. Since millions of people go through the military, it doesn't take long to have the start of a nationwide registry of firearms, particularly when combined with the FFL transfer lists. Once the military can be forced to register all their personal weapons, do you really doubt it will be long before police forces will be required to do the same thing?

There is only one point to registration schemes like this: to allow government to know what guns exist, who has them, and where they are located (getting this information is the point of military off-duty registration and FFL transfer forms).

Registration is always the first step prior to giving government control of your property, typically by then requiring a license for you to possess and use your property. At that point, you have already lost, because the government can then put new restrictions on your license, require renewal on a form requiring any information they want, charge you an exorbitant fee, or even decide you are no longer eligible for a license. You may laugh, but that is exactly how full-auto guns have effectively been outlawed in this country. .

I have to ask...have you been in the millitary? They know everything about you. Your under their control 24hrs a day. Your freedoms are limited to say the least. Yes you have some free time but if something comes up, your theirs whenever to do their bidding. One has to give up all and disclose all to be a "good" soldier,marine,etc.
Again this isn't a new policy.
Don't forget that registration is not turning them over. You have that choice when they come to get them. If you know what I mean. You have to register to do all sorts of things but no one seems to care about that. Vote,draft,vehicle,this site,etc. Don't live in fear that someone is gonna knock one day and ask to have your guns. I welcome that day. Bring it!