Colorado University Sued

[sagebrush]

CU COLORADO SPRINGS SUED BY GUN TOTIN STUDENTS

serveral students have sued the university in Colo Springs last week over
the campus banning their guns and violating the concealed carry law
in the state.

THE PROBLEM IS THIS.. THE NOW X ATTY GENERAL OF COLORADO ISSUED A
SPECIAL EXCLUSION TO THE UNIVERSITY THAT DEFACTO GRANTED IT
SOVERIGN STATUS ABOVE AND EXEMPT FROM COLORADO LAW AND THE
STATE CONSTITUTION... SO THE UNIV. POSITION IS THAT THEY ARE A
SOVERIGN ENTITY AND CAN MAKE ANY RULES THEY WANT...

( THEORITICALLY THEY COULD ACTUALLY SUCCEED FROM THE STATE AND BECOME THEIR OWN STATE UNDER THE CURRENT LEGAL STANDING GIVEN TO THEM)

THIS IS GOING TO END UP GOING TO THE STATE SUPREME COURT AND MABY EVEN THE US SUPREME COURT...

THE UNIVERSITYS STATUS IS ILLEGAL... IT WAS A KISS MY ASS ILL KISS YOURS PAYOFF...

ULTIMATLELY...IF TAKEN TO THE U.S SUPREME COURT... THE UNIVERSITY WILL LOOSE...

A SUBJECT CAN NOT BE ELEVATED HIGHER THAN ITS CREATOR... ( UNLESS YOUR NAME IS OBAMA) THAT IS
A BASIC TENNANT OF CONSTITUTIONAL LAW


MY THOUGHTS ON STUDENTS HAVING GUNS... NO DAM WAY !!!!
IF YOU DONT THINK SO... WHY DONT YOU WATCH A FEW HOURS
OF

COPS ON SPRING BREAK.... THAT SHOULD CHANGE YOUR MIND...

SORRY FOR CAPS..MY LAPTOP IS OLD AND IT GETS STUCK ON THEM NOW AND THEN....

[Elhuero]

not all college students are young punks

[Medic583]

not all college students are young punks

Agreed. I don't think I've ever run a call, in 13 yrs as a medic, on a college campus or involving college students, at least the ones that were trying to make something of themselves, where there was a firearms related issue. Almost always either alcohol / drug / sports related. And yes, drinking is a college sport. . . just ask any fraternity! [Beer]

[BadShot]

Sage, this is really simple.. if they can legally have the weapon much less hold a valid CCW ...

WHY IN THE UNHOLY HELL WOULD YOU PRESUME TO JUDGE THAT WRONG?

We have 18 year old kids fighting and dying in foreign lands but because they might be 21 and in school you think it's wrong? Your logic isn't and your argument is lacking substance in that facet.

I do fully agree that the university system should not be above or outside of state law and that I suspect will be forced to change based on this suite.. should it survive the CO-SC

Conflicting and contradicting statements like you have are at the core of RKBA issues and you sir and little more than fodder for the anti-gun argument.

[GhostRider]

I agree with Badshot, the status has to be changed,
but if you think that the students, (bad and good) are not already carrying weapons then you are wrong. If they were allowed to carry with a permit I believe there would be a lot less interest than you think, and the ones who are willing to get the ccw are generally not the ones to be worried about. The others are already and will continue to be a threat but now there would be a deterrent for them to use a gun, and the cowards that are targeting our kids in the collages would find that it is more difficult than shooting fish in a barrel

[Irving]

I agree with Sage. I don't think students should have ANY rights. Free speech? Yeah right! Have you heard the kind of things likely to come out of a young student's mouth?
I'm surprised we even let them drive to school or even dress themselves actually. I plan to hold my daughter's hand until she is at least 30. With all my coddling, I'm certain that she'll be ready for the world by then.

[libertyordeath]

MY THOUGHTS ON STUDENTS HAVING GUNS... NO DAM WAY !!!! IF YOU DONT THINK SO... WHY DONT YOU WATCH A FEW HOURS OF COPS ON SPRING BREAK.... THAT SHOULD CHANGE YOUR MIND...


I'm confused. Help me understand this. The question is whether students with CCWs should be allowed to legally carry on campus, right? If a student has a CCW, then they're 21, have been through a handgun safety/CCW class, and passed a background check. They're not one of the bad guys; rather, they're one of the good guys. If society trusts these ADULTS with carrying concealed at a grocery store or in a restaurant across the street from campus, please tell me: what exactly changes when they step onto campus property?

I've got a crazy idea. Stay with me here. How about we punish those who break laws instead of stripping away the rights of law-abiding citizens just because someone has a prejudice against a stereotype of their age group or demographic? Careful about goring someone else's ox, Sage - because yours may be next. How's that Niemoller poem go? Something like:

They came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionist, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Catholic.
Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up.

Oh, and Sage, welcome to the forum! You'll see us get into our own intellectual and policy arguments... but at the end of the day we're still on the same side. [Awesom]

[Chief_of_Scouts]

This is an interesting and personal topic for me. I recently returned from my third tour in Iraq. I have been serving my country in the U.S. Army for over 25 years.

I am also a student enrolled in a Colorado University and although I have had a CCW for many years, I am prohibited from carrying when I go to my night classes. Not because it is illegal, but because it would be in violation of the "Students Standards of Safety and Conduct", and I would be expelled.

The president of the campus may make case-by-case exceptions to allow specific, warranted students to carry concealed on campus. I would not meet that criteria. Therefore, I must leave my "unloaded" firearm locked in my vehicle when attending class.

I am sorry that sagebrush feels that because I am a "student", I shouldn't be allowed to carry.

[Beret]

[GhostRider]

Thanks libertyordeath and Chief_of_Scouts, You have said what I was trying to, only better.

[Hoser]

MY THOUGHTS ON STUDENTS HAVING GUNS... NO DAM WAY !!!!

I could not disagree more.

[Irving]

Therefore, I must leave my "unloaded" firearm locked in my vehicle when attending class.



What's this unloaded business all about? Is that the college's rule or something? I'm pretty sure that there is no state law regarding this.

[copfish]

Here (https://www.cu.edu/regents/Policies/Policy14I.htm) is CU's policy on weapons.

Excerpt for exemptions... Not very informative... I wonder where we HR-218 guys fall in?

Possession of firearms, explosives, or other dangerous weapons is permitted for peace officers or for others who have written permission from the Chief of Police for those campuses which have such an officer or from the Chancellor after consultation with the Chief of Police. Firearm storage may be provided by campus police as a service to students or employees residing in campus housing.