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james_bond_007
11-10-2013, 11:58
Sam's Club is finally getting to me.
I'm getting annoyed at having to wait in line TWICE to get out of Sam's Club: once to PAY for my purchases, and a second time to exonerate myself as an alleged thief, as they check me at the exit door.
Waiting in line to purchase merchandise is understandable. At times they can have over 20 or so "checkout" stations working in parallel to help speed purchasing process. If ALL the lines are long, so be it. I can be patient and wait my turn.
However, once the purchase is completed, one has to stand in one or two (on a good day) lines into which ALL the patrons of the 20 checkout lines are merged while Sam's employees search your cart. Essentially they are assuming EVERY customer may be a thief and every employee operating the cash registers may be an accomplice.
I'm curious as to the legal authority they have to detain me and search through my property (yes, now that I paid for the items they are MY property, not Sam's Club's).
Typically, to detain a person for shoplifting, probable cause is needed. They need to have evidence that theft has occurred : EX: Videos or eyewitness accounts showing that a suspect has concealed an item etc.
Typically search cannot take place without a warrant or an arrest, both also requiring probably cause of some sort, or permission of the search-ee.
Yet Sam's continues to search without any of these.
Yes, I understand that Sam's may be trying to control theft.
Yes, I understand that since I'm not stealing, I have nothing to fear.
Yes, I understand that I can shop somewhere else if I don't like their practice and policies.
Yes, I understand that as Christmas approaches, and lines get longer, the wait to get out of Sam's will only get worse.
Yes, I understand that Sam's has probably had a team of legal experts review the practice of "exit searches".
Yes, I understand that MOST people consent to the search and don't have an issue with it.
Yes, I understand that laws in this area vary from state to state and the 4th Amendment "Illegal Search and Seizure" applies.
Yes...it still annoys me to have to wait to exit and be searched at Sam's after I buy something.
hurley842002
11-10-2013, 12:08
Sam's and Costco been doing it for years, I don't like it any more than the next guy, but when you become a member, you agree to ALL of their terms.
If you're speaking specifically of the Sam's Club that's up around 84th and I-25, I agree with you. That's an appalling store to try and get out of.
The one we have in Lone Tree is not too bad, unless you're near a big holiday like Christmas. One of the quickest Sam's Clubs I've experienced is in the Southlands in Aurora.
The "club stores" (Costco, Sam's, BJs) all have this insulting policy locked into the contract you sign. We agree to the reciept-checking, payment-proving business when we sign up for the membership. It certainly is an insult to one's integrity! It's not like people can continue to shop after check-out; it's set up to funnel people out after extracting their money.
I like to believe the elderly folks that check the receipts at the door also feel a bit pained at the idea; they always make gentle jokes and seem to make an effort to wish everyone a good day/night/holiday.
It's frustrating, and I agree with your complaint/rant. Well said.
Just walk past the checker. I do it every visit and argue with them at the car as I am loading it up. I refuse to hand over the receipt. Its fun watching them scrabble before I drive away.
Walmart started doing this last your at the lower income area stores in Colorado Springs. I refused to let them check and told them to call the cops if they wanted a search. Also pointed out it does happen at the high end areas. I have not seen them doing it in some time.
Put up with it, walk around them, or stop shopping there.
There, problem solved.
Put up with it, walk around them, or stop shopping there.
There, problem solved.
Yup, an agreement is an agreement.
I go to Costco during low volume times, like today during the Bronco game or after 730PM on weekdays.
I'm curious as to the legal authority they have to detain me and search through my property
You signed a contract when you became a member of the club. You have already given them permission to do so.
Madeinhb
11-10-2013, 13:16
I walk last them. When they give me crap, I say that i purchased this therefor they are now my possessions and to detain me is against the law.
Madeinhb
11-10-2013, 13:16
You signed a contract when you became a member of the club. You have already given them permission to do so.
Federal law supersedes costco agreement. Sorry.
They are checking to make sure the employees did their job, ie: did you buy 2 of this or so?They have found several times that I had been charged for an item(s) that I did not recieve.Your perception of the situation is flawed
Federal law supersedes costco agreement. Sorry.
You willingly entered their store. You are subject to their rules on their property.
StagLefty
11-10-2013, 13:34
The first thing I do is complain on the internet about an agreement I signed. [Sarcasm2]
Rooskibar03
11-10-2013, 13:35
Here's a piece on a guy who takes it to another level. Kinda a dick move IMHO. You agreed to terms when you purchase membership, if you don't like them then don't sign up.
http://www.ocregister.com/news/costco-377727-receipt-card.html
Seeing this calendar item from the Irvine Chamber reminded me that I wanted to write about Costco.I have a Costco membership and go a few times per year. However, I am not an avid discount warehouse shopper like a lot of other people I know.
Specifically, I do not appreciate being asked to show my card on entry and then my receipt upon exiting. In fact, I ignore these requests every time. Anyone who has been with me on a Costco run is either entirely amused or very embarrassed by my behavior.
It all starts as I take several sanitary wipes from the dispenser at the entry door so I can sanitize the handle of the cart. (Studies show that shopping cart handles are home to everything from the common cold virus to microscopic particles of fecal matter.)
Then I push my cart, with purpose, through the entry threshold. This is usually when a card checker says, "Sir, I need to see your card." I ignore him or her and press forward.
With two or three more attempts at getting my attention, and with escalating decibels of "Sir!" being shouted, another member will usually tap me on the shoulder to let me know the card checker needs to speak with me.
I thank them politely but continue on my way. The member, who thinks they were being helpful, oftentimes acts befuddled and gives the impression of feeling slighted that I didn't hurry back like a good little sheep would do.
Once I am in the store, no one bothers me. I make my way through the aisles, filling my cart as all the other shoppers do until I am uneasy about having enough money to cover the cost of what I am buying.
After checking out, I deliberately leave the receipt at the register. Sometimes the assistant to the checker will hurriedly bring it to me. I refuse it. This is an important step in the process of keeping the honor of free people everywhere.
After paying, I head for the exit and once through the bottleneck created by the receipt checkers, I just push my cart forward and proceed to my car.
This is when things get fun. Costco's policy of checking your receipt before you leave is, to me, unacceptable. And therefore I will not adhere to it.
There is a good chance I will lose my membership over this column, but I am OK with that because I feel like it will give aid and comfort to other receipt checker dodgers and perhaps start a movement that will overwhelm the system and break Costco's idiotic policy.
They claim it is as much for your protection as it is for theirs. This is ridiculous. Other than perhaps a candy bar when I was 10, I have never stolen anything. So don't treat me like a criminal.
Getting out of Costco without showing your receipt is much more dramatic than entering without showing your card. Upon exiting, the staff will follow you or send security after you.
I know my rights though. Once I paid for it, I get to leave. You can't hold me hostage.
If you want to join me on this little effort, know full well that you are within the law and any attempt to physically stop you is not only wrong but likely either false imprisonment or assault or some other crime that Costco doesn't want its employees charged with.
I walk past them every time. Unless I am with the wife.. She's kinda a rule follower.
They usually say something as I go by but that's it.
In the future, just blade at 45 and have an adrenaline dump
Madeinhb
11-10-2013, 13:49
You willingly entered their store. You are subject to their rules on their property.
Once their property is paid for, I becomes mine. They can not detain me if I want to leave. Their agreement means nothing at that point. Nothing police can do.
You are still on their property. Going to the gift shop at the Air Force Academy doesn't make you immune from spot inspections at the gates.
hurley842002
11-10-2013, 14:00
Once their property is paid for, I becomes mine. They can not detain me if I want to leave. Their agreement means nothing at that point. Nothing police can do.
You are correct in the fact that their is no criminally legal action for the store, if you do not adhere to the company's policy.
It amazes me that some of you folks are staunch supporters of rights, but you refuse to recognize a businesses right to function the way they wish.
I absolutely despise businesses that post no carry signs, but guess what? IT'S THEIR RIGHT TO DO SO!
Nobody is forcing you to shop anywhere, there are plenty of other places that don't go through your shopping cart and verify the contents.
To be clear again, I don't like the practice any more than the rest of you, but it's their right, and you agreed to it.
JM Ver. 2.0
11-10-2013, 14:02
Haha. Wow.... This thread makes me laugh........
Sent from my teepee using smoke signals.
Madeinhb
11-10-2013, 14:09
Carry guns is one thing. But if the merchandise is mine and the line is long, I'm not waiting. Businesses can operate how they want but they can't force you do something when you're not doing anything. If business can operate how they want- why not pass less than minimum wage? Oh because that is against the law. Just like detaining without cause.
Madeinhb
11-10-2013, 14:13
You are still on their property. Going to the gift shop at the Air Force Academy doesn't make you immune from spot inspections at the gates.
Not apples for apples
hurley842002
11-10-2013, 14:17
Carry guns is one thing. But if the merchandise is mine and the line is long, I'm not waiting. Businesses can operate how they want but they can't force you do something when you're not doing anything. If business can operate how they want- why not pass less than minimum wage? Oh because that is against the law. Just like detaining without cause.
First of all, nobody is being detained, so let's get that out of the way. Don't turn it in to something it's not....
Madeinhb
11-10-2013, 14:23
And I never said it's not their right to force people to show receipts at exit, however, if I'm not stealing or doing anything it's also my right to leave their building without being detained.
Madeinhb
11-10-2013, 14:24
First of all, nobody is being detained, so let's get that out of the way. Don't turn it in to something it's not....
If I am trying to get from cash register to my vehicle to go home and I am stopped and prevented by doing that- what's that called? Even if I'm slowed down.
I can't wait for next weeks thread about how Sam's Club revoked someone's membership for busting out the door without showing there receipt, and how unfair and possibly illegal it was.
hurley842002
11-10-2013, 14:55
If I am trying to get from cash register to my vehicle to go home and I am stopped and prevented by doing that- what's that called? Even if I'm slowed down.
Look up the definition of detained, and you will see, it is not called that...
Madeinhb
11-10-2013, 15:09
Look up the definition of detained, and you will see, it is not called that...
Maybe you should as I am aware of the definitions. Better yet here, look at the 3rd definition:
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/11/gubaqyjy.jpg
ZERO THEORY
11-10-2013, 15:13
I'll bite.
You're in a store the size of a regional sports arena that houses everything from $14 cuts of steak to $3,600 televisions. Unlike your local grocer who has one small entrance to keep an eye on, with no more than 30 patrons inside at any given time, the literal millions of dollars in various merchandise is out on a floor populated by a few hundred people. Surely you can understand why they want to exercise some vigilance in making sure someone doesn't just stroll in, nick a bundle of DVDs and a cell phone, then march out unimpeded.
And if you're really enough of a douche to just blow off a person who's actually working for a living (which seems rare given our state of affairs), then be combative when they ask WTF you're doing, I hope they do detain you. Good luck explaining to the police how you violated the Terms of Agreement you signed on private property but 'teh FEDURAL LAW is superseedin' it!'
Madeinhb
11-10-2013, 15:22
I'll bite.
You're in a store the size of a regional sports arena that houses everything from $14 cuts of steak to $3,600 televisions. Unlike your local grocer who has one small entrance to keep an eye on, with no more than 30 patrons inside at any given time, the literal millions of dollars in various merchandise is out on a floor populated by a few hundred people. Surely you can understand why they want to exercise some vigilance in making sure someone doesn't just stroll in, nick a bundle of DVDs and a cell phone, then march out unimpeded.
And if you're really enough of a douche to just blow off a person who's actually working for a living (which seems rare given our state of affairs), then be combative when they ask WTF you're doing, I hope they do detain you. Good luck explaining to the police how you violated the Terms of Agreement you signed on private property but 'teh FEDURAL LAW is superseedin' it!'
I've done it. If the line is small, i show my receipt. But there have been times where there have been 30 people in line and I walk through. I just tell them I purchased my stuff and do not have to legally wait now. They leave me alone. No cops. You can add anything into an agreement but that doesn't make it enforceable. I've seen prenups that say the man gets sex at least 3 times a week. Both him and his wife "agreed" to it. But that is not enforceable and if she declines the 3 times, nothing can be done.
And if you're using the excuse that these old ladies at the door checking merchandise is their security in preventing theft- that's dumb. Should/probably have security cameras and security watching. The old ladies at door don't care and don't even do a good job at that. They barely pay attention.
spqrzilla
11-10-2013, 15:29
Federal law supersedes costco agreement. Sorry.
Federal law? Please ... do tell me more. Like what Federal law you believe applies. [facepalm]
Please lets have another whiny ass complaint about something. Bunch of pussy ass biddies on this site.
Typically search cannot take place without a warrant or an arrest, both also requiring probably cause of some sort, or permission of the search-ee.
Yet Sam's continues to search without any of these.
Yes, I understand that laws in this area vary from state to state and the 4th Amendment "Illegal Search and Seizure" applies.
Search and Seizure- as it applies with 4th Amendment concerns, does not apply to actions conducted by private citizens and companies- only the government (Federal, State, and Local) and it's agents (IE: police). Read through your terms and conditions for your membership and you might see some legal language that you submit to this kind of check as a part of being a member. It's akin to Colorado Expressed Consent with your driver's license- you attain a DL, you consent to chemical tests to prove you are safe to operate that vehicle on state/federal/county/city roads or you lose your privileges.
To put it very simply, if I, a common citizen, not employed or an agent of a law enforcement agency were to search your stuff without permission, I wouldn't be violating your 4th Amendment rights because I am not the government. Easy enough?
Madeinhb
11-10-2013, 15:59
Search and Seizure- as it applies with 4th Amendment concerns, does not apply to actions conducted by private citizens and companies- only the government (Federal, State, and Local) and it's agents (IE: police). Read through your terms and conditions for your membership and you might see some legal language that you submit to this kind of check as a part of being a member. It's akin to Colorado Expressed Consent with your driver's license- you attain a DL, you consent to chemical tests to prove you are safe to operate that vehicle on state/federal/county/city roads or you lose your privileges.
To put it very simply, if I, a common citizen, not employed or an agent of a law enforcement agency were to search your stuff without permission, I wouldn't be violating your 4th Amendment rights because I am not the government. Easy enough?
That is correct.
Costco may have a right to "ask" for my receipt as I'm leaving, but I have the right to say no. Nothing Costco or SAMs Club can do legally besides revoke my membership. But guess what- they won't do that.
Madeinhb
11-10-2013, 16:11
Costcos rules state the the receipt check is to verify you are charged right. Those receipt checkers have no idea.
Please lets have another whiny ass complaint about something. Bunch of pussy ass biddies on this site.
:)
We're also seeing how some folks treat agreements they signed...they SIGNED it and still want to violate the agreement they signed. Be careful doing business with them.
Madeinhb
11-10-2013, 16:20
:)
We're also seeing how some folks treat agreements they signed...they SIGNED it and still want to violate the agreement they signed. Be careful doing business with them.
A judge can not enforce that policy in an agreement. Again what is the policy of receipt checking - in the agreement it is to validate you were charged correctly. So if they have the right to check receipts, I can then ask them if everything was charged correctly and to confirm it for me by looking in a computer.
funkymonkey1111
11-10-2013, 16:23
Federal law? Please ... do tell me more. Like what Federal law you believe applies. [facepalm]
Its the federal one!
Id also be interested in knowing
Smile and say no thank you, proceed out. I do it at walmart all the time. A lowes manager got a cart in the calf for blocking me once.
Madeinhb
11-10-2013, 16:33
Its the federal one!
Id also be interested in knowing
I miss spoke when I typed it. Sitting here at my house discussing a federal law with a friend and I typed it. Probably shouldn't try to have 2 conversations at once :)
A judge can not enforce that policy in an agreement. Again what is the policy of receipt checking - in the agreement it is to validate you were charged correctly. So if they have the right to check receipts, I can then ask them if everything was charged correctly and to confirm it for me by looking in a computer.
Right, and Costco does the check as we are leaving. Costco has no obligation to look in a computer for your receipt, Costco wants to do a physical check and that is what they do at the door on our way out. We signed it and the people with integrity will abide by it.
You guys are my heroes. I cannot imagine blowing by or over a senior citizen manning an exit. I shudder just thinking about it.
dtbighit
11-10-2013, 17:51
Not true.
There rules do not supersede law.get over it of all the things to rant about you choose shopping at Sams.......wow
Madeinhb
11-10-2013, 17:51
Right, and Costco does the check as we are leaving. Costco has no obligation to look in a computer for your receipt, Costco wants to do a physical check and that is what they do at the door on our way out. We signed it and the people with integrity will abide by it.
They don't check the prices. If so, the receipt person at exit would need to know the price of every item in Costco to verify. They have the right to ask for a receipt, but I have the right to say no thank you and continue walking.
I've read some legitimately good rants on this site over the years. This one falls woefully short, in every way. Quit whining.
Brawndo's got lectrolites!
It's what plants crave.
tmleadr03
11-10-2013, 17:57
Wtf?
EIEIO ?
Epic arfcom thread reference.
They don't check the prices. If so, the receipt person at exit would need to know the price of every item in Costco to verify. They have the right to ask for a receipt, but I have the right to say no thank you and continue walking.
And Costco has the right to terminate your membership and they'd be well within their rights.
We're talking about integrity, honoring an agreement, and waiting a little bit to follow the agreement you signed. I love it when people agree to something on paper with their signature and apparently the agreement only applies when it is convenient.
ZERO THEORY
11-10-2013, 18:23
There is a lot wrong with this....try again. Do not pass GO...Do Not collect $200.
Oh, please educate me.
And Costco has the right to terminate your membership and they'd be well within their rights.
We're talking about integrity, honoring an agreement, and waiting a little bit to follow the agreement you signed. I love it when people agree to something on paper with their signature and apparently the agreement only applies when it is convenient.
This.
Be one with the Google-fu grasshopper.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/700116_.html&page=1
tmleadr03
11-10-2013, 18:32
Be one with the Google-fu grasshopper.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/700116_.html&page=1
That guy hasn't even logged back in to arfcom since 2008...
Madeinhb
11-10-2013, 18:39
And Costco has the right to terminate your membership and they'd be well within their rights.
We're talking about integrity, honoring an agreement, and waiting a little bit to follow the agreement you signed. I love it when people agree to something on paper with their signature and apparently the agreement only applies when it is convenient.
I never said they don't have the right to terminate the membership. However, they never have. If I go in to costco for one or two things, I'm not waiting in a line of 30'people when I don't have to.
electronman1729
11-10-2013, 18:50
Does anyone remember Service Merchandise? Talk about loss control
36223
Wow. That's a trip back in time. I remember waiting for the merchandise at the front as it came down the conveyor.
gnihcraes
11-10-2013, 20:09
Does anyone remember Service Merchandise? Talk out loss control
36223
They sold guns stuff! Airguns and such. Bought several items from them that I still own.
Hijack. back to your regular thread...
SouthPaw
11-10-2013, 20:15
Smile and say no thank you, proceed out. I do it at walmart all the time. A lowes manager got a cart in the calf for blocking me once.
Exactly what I do at Walmart. No thanks and keep walking. No one has ever followed me or said anything else. I have since choosen to do 90% of my shopping at king soopers.
HoneyBadger
11-10-2013, 21:43
Please lets have another whiny ass complaint about something. Bunch of pussy ass biddies on this site.
Lol... winner!
centrarchidae
11-10-2013, 21:51
Just tell the lady that you do not wish to create joinder, and ask her if you're being detained.
Jeez, I hadn't realize that holding up my end of an agreement had a "the line was too long" escape clause.
funkymonkey1111
11-10-2013, 22:22
They sold guns stuff! Airguns and such. Bought several items from them that I still own.
Hijack. back to your regular thread...
they sold real guns, too.
OP, if it's an option, Costco beats the crap out of sam's. I've had both memberships--concurrently at one point. I didn't want to like costco better, but the checkout process is simply better. today, three people were working a register--Sunday afternoon, the parking lot is jammed to the brim, and the checkout took just a few minutes. i remember times at sam's where it would be 20 minutes waiting in line to check out. that simply doesn't happen at costco. the choke point can be the exit, but they generally have two people checking receipts at any busy time.
Meh. First world problem.
If someone doesn't want nor honor their policy, because you are someone SPECIAL, get the f off their property and shop somewhere else.
IF i was at Costco/Sam's and see someone arguing with employees, because they near violently refuse to show them their membership cards or receipt upon checkout, I will call 911 myself....
Maybe those hard@ss might think they are a real hotshot (or SPECIAL), but you are disturbing my family and others'.
Costco and Sam's isn't the only stores out there. If someone doesn't like their policy, they can shop at Neimen Marcus or Norstrom's
Easy fix. Don't shop at Sam's or Costco. If it is that much of an inconvenience , why bother.
If someone is a real busy , maybe it is time/cost efficient to just go to Best Buy to buy a Smart TV. Maybe RiteAid for pharmacy?
7-11 for a case of water?
No one likes to wait in line (or wait in line for a receipt check). However, I do my best not to pay excessive premium at a convenience stores.
rockhound
11-11-2013, 00:20
I think you should get really nasty with the 60 year old lady checking your receipt, that wouod make you feel better, and she will ten know wat kind of person you really are, there problem solved,
At least they are doing something about thievery, unlike other stores that punish their employees for stopping a shoplifter, i bet sams has a very low shoplifting rate
I dont usually bash people for ranting, but this a dumb thing to get in a twist about,
I think you should get really nasty with the 60 year old lady checking your receipt, that wouod make you feel better, and she will ten know wat kind of person you really are, there problem solved,
At least they are doing something about thievery, unlike other stores that punish their employees for stopping a shoplifter, i bet sams has a very low shoplifting rate
I dont usually bash people for ranting, but this a dumb thing to get in a twist about,
Less chatter, more speeeling. [Flower]
Your argument might hold water if you didn't keep returning to the point where you decide to ignore a section of the contract/agreement you signed and just say "no thank you" and walk out breaking the terms of that contract. And yes the only reason they have a right to check you on the way out is based on that contract you signed, but as a country of laws that's the way contracts work. Personally I would not choose to challenge Wal Mart/Sam's on the terms and legality of there contracts it could get very expensive very quickly.
Easy fix. Don't shop at Sam's or Costco. If it is that much of an inconvenience , why bother.
Agree
But the op is probably one of those that will stand in line at a fast puke place to get a POS samich... Then whine some more.
hurley842002
11-11-2013, 08:45
Maybe you should as I am aware of the definitions. Better yet here, look at the 3rd definition:
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/11/gubaqyjy.jpg
I'm not going to get into a debate with you, as it's clear you don't understand basic English.
Re read the terms used in your number 3 example, and decide if some of that is happening (hint: if anyone is being RESTRAINED, I hope they are getting paid some good $$).
Great-Kazoo
11-11-2013, 08:51
If someone is a real busy , maybe it is time/cost efficient to just go to Best Buy to buy a Smart TV. Maybe RiteAid for pharmacy?
7-11 for a case of water?
No one likes to wait in line (or wait in line for a receipt check). However, I do my best not to pay excessive premium at a convenience stores.
How about they practice, better time management.
You don't go to the grocery store 1-2 hours before the bronco game. [panic] You don't go to a restaurant right after church gets out, then bitch about having to wait. You don't go to DMV the first or last week of the month.
Blah Blah Blah.
Going to safeway anytime sux, they have a bad habit of 1 check out, 2 if there's more than 20 people in line.
Great-Kazoo
11-11-2013, 08:53
I never said they don't have the right to terminate the membership. However, they never have. If I go in to costco for one or two things, I'm not waiting in a line of 30'people when I don't have to.
You the guy who shows up 5 min before a store opens, acts pissy when you walk to the head of the line, and someone calls you on it.
Madeinhb
11-11-2013, 08:59
You the guy who shows up 5 min before a store opens, acts pissy when you walk to the head of the line, and someone calls you one it.
That's different and to presume that is dumb. We were talking about whats legal. Everyone here seems to thing that if you sign a contract, then it's legal. If you sign a contract and in fine print it says you have to kill someone: are you going to do it because you signed and "agreed" to it? No. If a woman signs a prenup saying she will have sex with husband 3 times a week and after marriage doesn't, can the husband enforce this? No
That simple. Agreements and contracts get signed all the time with unenforceable stipulations in it. That doesn't make them binding.
Well holy shit. I've been being detained both ways to work on I-25 every day for the last 7 years! I can't believe I never realized it until now.
The receipt checkers don't need to know the prices of anything. They need to be able to read the receipt and see that the same amount of items are in the cart. I your receipt says one television, and you have two televisions, that's what they are looking for. Just because you paid for something, doesn't mean you have some right to waltz out of the store with other items. Clearly they are checking to make sure you aren't leaving with items you did not pay for, and actually have the items that you did pay for.
I've given lip to a card checker once. She jumped in front of my cousin and I walking into the store to demand our card. I pulled my gold membership card out and handed it to her. While she was checking, an old lady walked right in the door. The card checker and old lady made eye contact but the card checker didn't ask her for a card. We gave her shit about it and she just turned her nose up and didn't say anything.
HoneyBadger
11-11-2013, 10:01
I really don't see what the problem here is.
If you don't like shopping there, then don't. And stop being an asshole about it. [facepalm]
hurley842002
11-11-2013, 10:10
Well holy shit. I've been being detained both ways to work on I-25 every day for the last 7 years! I can't believe I never realized it until now.
Lol
Obviously the answer is to get rid of the secondary check, raise all the prices to compensate for losses, and change the name on the building to Slightly Larger Walmart.
PugnacAutMortem
11-11-2013, 11:08
A lowes manager got a cart in the calf for blocking me once.
Umm...that's assault...
JM Ver. 2.0
11-11-2013, 11:19
I like this thread.... It's giving me people to add to my "do not deal with" list.....
Sent from my teepee using smoke signals.
I like this thread.... It's giving me people to add to my "do not deal with" list.....
Sent from my teepee using smoke signals.
^^^^^ Agree.....
JM Ver. 2.0
11-11-2013, 12:16
I've put myself in some pretty shitty financial situations just to keep my word on this site.
A verbal agreement to buy something.
Some of the people in here can't keep a written agreement just because it isn't worth their time.
I'm glad the majority of people on here are good upstanding people that keep their word and understand what integrity is.
Sent from my teepee using smoke signals.
I hate society.
...but some of you guys, when it's convenient to me, are OK.
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RblDiver
11-11-2013, 12:37
I worked at a Sams for about 6 months or so (as a cell phone salesman though, not a receipt checker). I can attest that some of their actions are rather dumb. For instance, there was a time we had some people stealing DVDs. Management decided that each department would send a person over for ~1 hr just to stand at the DVD area and watch for people stealing them. Nothing prevented them from putting them in a cart and moving to another area before stuffing them down their pants (which someone supposedly did with a computer monitor). Plus, our only recourse would be to call a manager; stopping them would be unthinkable!
...That being said, dude, don't be a jerk. We were just people doing our job as best as we could, trying to deal with people on all ends of the spectrum. Some members were great and nice, others were jerks, plain and simple. Yeah the line could suck at times. Whenever I was there as a shopper I always wished I could just go out too. But I didn't, because I didn't feel like an entitled person whose time is the most valuable of the people there. I didn't get all "Oh you can't detain me 4th Amendment etc etc".
And as a general observation on what low margins they had, we were told that to cover a $50,000 medical issue they'd have to clear over $1 million worth of inventory. People exiting without getting receipts checked would only contribute to price increases I'm sure.
Madeinhb
11-11-2013, 13:02
I worked at a Sams for about 6 months or so (as a cell phone salesman though, not a receipt checker). I can attest that some of their actions are rather dumb. For instance, there was a time we had some people stealing DVDs. Management decided that each department would send a person over for ~1 hr just to stand at the DVD area and watch for people stealing them. Nothing prevented them from putting them in a cart and moving to another area before stuffing them down their pants (which someone supposedly did with a computer monitor). Plus, our only recourse would be to call a manager; stopping them would be unthinkable!
...That being said, dude, don't be a jerk. We were just people doing our job as best as we could, trying to deal with people on all ends of the spectrum. Some members were great and nice, others were jerks, plain and simple. Yeah the line could suck at times. Whenever I was there as a shopper I always wished I could just go out too. But I didn't, because I didn't feel like an entitled person whose time is the most valuable of the people there. I didn't get all "Oh you can't detain me 4th Amendment etc etc".
And as a general observation on what low margins they had, we were told that to cover a $50,000 medical issue they'd have to clear over $1 million worth of inventory. People exiting without getting receipts checked would only contribute to price increases I'm sure.
So you're profiling anyone who leaves without getting their receipt checked as a thief? Prices only go up due to theft or if manufacturers raise prices. I don't steal things. When I have walked out, I'm never an asshole and I'm polite.
RblDiver
11-11-2013, 13:14
So you're profiling anyone who leaves without getting their receipt checked as a thief? Prices only go up due to theft or if manufacturers raise prices. I don't steal things. When I have walked out, I'm never an asshole and I'm polite.
No, but statistically more thieves would walk out without getting a receipt checked than non-thieves. For instance, let's assume that the company has placed the risk of theft from walkout at $10/day. Now, suddenly ten times as many people are walking out without being checked as before. Thus, Sams must assume that the risk is now at $100/day and must adjust prices accordingly. It doesn't mean that amount is being stolen specifically, but statistically that's where the risk is now at, and businesses must plan to cover risks.
Madeinhb
11-11-2013, 13:26
No, but statistically more thieves would walk out without getting a receipt checked than non-thieves. For instance, let's assume that the company has placed the risk of theft from walkout at $10/day. Now, suddenly ten times as many people are walking out without being checked as before. Thus, Sams must assume that the risk is now at $100/day and must adjust prices accordingly. It doesn't mean that amount is being stolen specifically, but statistically that's where the risk is now at, and businesses must plan to cover risks.
Are thieves really putting merchandise they are stealing in their cart? No. They are hiding them. So therefor the receipt checkers would never see anyways. Aside from large items, like TVs etc.
You signed a contract when you became a member of the club. You have already given them permission to do so.
You also signed a contract that they are a gun-free store, so they don't trust you on that front too.
hurley842002
11-11-2013, 13:32
No, but statistically more thieves would walk out without getting a receipt checked than non-thieves. For instance, let's assume that the company has placed the risk of theft from walkout at $10/day. Now, suddenly ten times as many people are walking out without being checked as before. Thus, Sams must assume that the risk is now at $100/day and must adjust prices accordingly. It doesn't mean that amount is being stolen specifically, but statistically that's where the risk is now at, and businesses must plan to cover risks.
It doesn't do any good to argue with him, he is entitled, his time is worth more than everyone else's, and he doesn't hold his end of an agreement, period.
RblDiver
11-11-2013, 13:43
Are thieves really putting merchandise they are stealing in their cart? No. They are hiding them. So therefor the receipt checkers would never see anyways. Aside from large items, like TVs etc.
If you had a number of items, it would be fairly simple to slip some smaller items in among the others. The one I was at had just recently installed self check lines, and I could see a person slipping in a DVD under the radar with their groceries. It'd be a lot less conspicuous when they're stealing, as putting a DVD down your pants is much more obvious than sticking it in your cart. Then do the "I'm in a hurry" walk out of the store, and you're home free.
I can't believe that this thread has taken off like this. Do we really not have anything better to do than argue about a store's attempt to stem the flow of loss, and our decisions to comply with their efforts or not? holy fuck, this is worse than listening to a bunch of teenage girls arguing about which fucking vampire they're most infatuated with on the fucking Twilights series...[LOL][handbags][fags][russian roulette]
It doesn't do any good to argue with him, he is entitled, his time is worth more than everyone else's, and he doesn't hold his end of an agreement, period.
If I may add.
Someday Costco/Sam's will catch one of those SPECIAL/Hotshot guys, and they will be on a YouTube either getting physical and/or getting arrested.
If they even nearly try to act violently, they will get arrested with 100 camera-phone shot to go against them. If I shot that video, I will personally hand those video footage to PD and/or Prosecutors on a silver platter.
People really think they own a g-damn business, because they got their "hard earned" $800 to buy a LCD at these warehouse type retail.
If it property of Costco/Sams, not your's. (Yes, parking lot is their property as well).
If someone doesn't like it, they are more than free to shop somewhere else or online.
Shootersfab
11-11-2013, 13:56
Really? Arguing over an extra min of your time at the door, but you will sit here are battle behind the keyboard for hours?????? [facepalm]
Madeinhb
11-11-2013, 14:00
It doesn't do any good to argue with him, he is entitled, his time is worth more than everyone else's, and he doesn't hold his end of an agreement, period.
Funny how you think I don't hold my end of agreement. I have mentioned numerous times about things you can "agree" to but can't be forced to do. Nothing is said about those. When I have 1 or 2 items and I'm standing behind 30 people, yes I am walking through. If I have a cart and there are 3-5 people, I will show my receipt. It's that simple.
Furthermore, by living in Colorado, we agree to the laws here. Now the government here passed new laws about guns and yet almost everyone here says they will not abide by them. Doesn't matter how we feel, they are the laws and therefor have to agree to follow.
http://content.costco.com/Images/Content/Misc/PDF/09EX0308_ServiceDirectory.pdf
You will be requested to show your card when entering Costco warehouses and when checking out at the register. (page 14)
Costco reserves the right to inspec tany container,backpack, briefcase, etc., upon entering or leaving the warehouse. (15)
To ensure that all members are correctly charged for the merchandise purchased, all receipts and merchandise will be inspected as you leave the warehouse. (15)
hurley842002
11-11-2013, 14:45
I can't believe that this thread has taken off like this. Do we really not have anything better to do than argue about a store's attempt to stem the flow of loss, and our decisions to comply with their efforts or not? holy fuck, this is worse than listening to a bunch of teenage girls arguing about which fucking vampire they're most infatuated with on the fucking Twilights series...[LOL][handbags][fags][russian roulette]
I'll stand by my original posts, but you are right, I'm going to sit my cup of tea down and go grab a beer with the men....
I will no longer stop at traffic lights when in the metro area, as this is an infringement upon my time.
If detained at any grocery store, sporting godds store, theater, food establishment, Dr's office, etc, etc.
I will fall on the floor flailing my arms kicking my feet like a little fucking brat, Because it's all about ME, ME, ME
kidicarus13
11-11-2013, 15:05
IF WE DON'T EXERCISE OUR RIGHTS THEN... oh wait, it's just Sam's Club.
PugnacAutMortem
11-11-2013, 15:09
IF WE DON'T EXERCISE OUR RIGHTS THEN... oh wait, it's just Sam's Club.
/thread. We have a winner.
I guess I can just ignore the rules at the GUN CLUB then as well?
Maybe the op should just show his CC, and he can move to the front of the line...
HoneyBadger
11-11-2013, 17:40
I can't believe that this thread has taken off like this. Do we really not have anything better to do than argue about a store's attempt to stem the flow of loss, and our decisions to comply with their efforts or not? holy fuck, this is worse than listening to a bunch of teenage girls arguing about which fucking vampire they're most infatuated with on the fucking Twilights series...[LOL][handbags][fags][russian roulette]
This is the best rant in the whole thread!
Really? Arguing over an extra min of your time at the door, but you will sit here are battle behind the keyboard for hours?????? [facepalm]
And this is hilariously ironic. Well done.
buckeye4rnr
11-11-2013, 17:58
I agree it's annoying but I shop at the Park Meadows Costco and they don't check shit. The old lady at the door looks close enough at the receipt so that she doesn't highlight her hand and I'm on my way. Really helps to go right as they open or shortly before they close so there is no line and the "check" adds maybe 5 seconds to the whole shopping trip.
I could be an ass about it but I don't argue with police on the side of the road and I'm not an asshole to old ladies just because I don't like a policy they have no control over.
This thread was started by the regime to distract you from the tyranny around you, including losing your health insurance. Keep it going.
this used to really piss me off until I did the self checkout and I missed something. It was an honest mistake on my part but the door checker thought I was trying to steal something. I went back and paid for the item. My only excuse was I missed it
SuperiorDG
11-16-2013, 08:22
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BlasterBob
11-16-2013, 12:01
When you guys doing the complaining reach your mid-70's, you will find that your priorities have changed a lot over the years and a lot more patience will have gradually kicked in. Don't sweat the small stuff and you will probably live a lot longer.[blaster]
Hospitals is finally getting to me.
I'm getting annoyed at having to wait for a physician waiting in the waiting room for over 45 minutes. I already paid for my visit as soon as I arrived.
Waiting in the waiting room to see a physician is totally is understandable.
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BuffCyclist
11-22-2013, 16:46
Well, was subjected to this today while leaving Walmart. There was a line of people handing their receipts to a "greeter" (but not a greeter since Walmart can't afford to pay them anymore). I cut through the line and walked right past the employee, he stuck his arm out to try to stop me and said "I need to see your receipt". I moved around his hand and said "ok" as I kept walking.
Looked it up and apparently, NM law states that any LEO, security guard, or merchant (including employees of the merchant) may legally detain a person whom they have probable cause to believe is a shoplifter.
This is bullshit and REALLY pissed me off. I subject to it at Sam's Club (used to be Costco but I don't have one down here) because it's in their membership rules. But like hell will I let one person check my receipt or lay a hand on me (which that guy today was VERY close to laying his hand on me) without probable cause. From here on out, when they ask for my receipt, I'll ask for probable cause and keep walking.
The new Albertsons can NOT be built fast enough in this town. It was supposed to open this past September, but some issues related to the parking lot not big enough came up and delayed the process.
funkymonkey1111
11-22-2013, 17:05
Well, was subjected to this today while leaving Walmart. There was a line of people handing their receipts to a "greeter" (but not a greeter since Walmart can't afford to pay them anymore). I cut through the line and walked right past the employee, he stuck his arm out to try to stop me and said "I need to see your receipt". I moved around his hand and said "ok" as I kept walking.
Looked it up and apparently, NM law states that any LEO, security guard, or merchant (including employees of the merchant) may legally detain a person whom they have probable cause to believe is a shoplifter.
This is bullshit and REALLY pissed me off. I subject to it at Sam's Club (used to be Costco but I don't have one down here) because it's in their membership rules. But like hell will I let one person check my receipt or lay a hand on me (which that guy today was VERY close to laying his hand on me) without probable cause. From here on out, when they ask for my receipt, I'll ask for probable cause and keep walking.
The new Albertsons can NOT be built fast enough in this town. It was supposed to open this past September, but some issues related to the parking lot not big enough came up and delayed the process.
that is not being detained.
BuffCyclist
11-22-2013, 17:09
that is not being detained.
I know it is not being detained, I wasn't saying I was detained.
The employee acted like he had the power to physically stop me from leaving the store if I didn't show him my receipt. Without probable cause (which according to NM law, means they have seen the customer hide the item as if to steal it), they can't force you to show them your receipt or even physically try to stop you from leaving the store.
OtterbatHellcat
11-22-2013, 17:17
Interesting...I've purchased stuff from the back registers at Sams, and they'll ring up your whole cart there too. Though, I've never pressed the issue when heading out the front door, I always just waited for the imbeciles to *look over the contents of my cart* and hand them my receipt for it.
It would be pretty easy to throw some extra shit in my cart between the back register and the exit area though. I think if I came out of the regular check out aisles, I shouldn't have to stop for anything.
IMO
WWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH
My grandkids don't whine as much....
I know it is not being detained, I wasn't saying I was detained.
The employee acted like he had the power to physically stop me from leaving the store if I didn't show him my receipt. Without probable cause (which according to NM law, means they have seen the customer hide the item as if to steal it), they can't force you to show them your receipt or even physically try to stop you from leaving the store.
It was probably due to your beard. :beer:
Sent via my Mobile Work Avoidance Device
BuffCyclist
11-22-2013, 20:42
It was probably due to your beard. :beer:
Sent via my Mobile Work Avoidance Device
Good point, I forgot I have a beard now...
Hospitals is finally getting to me.
I'm getting annoyed at having to wait for a physician waiting in the waiting room for over 45 minutes. I already paid for my visit as soon as I arrived.
Waiting in the waiting room to see a physician is totally is understandable.
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I do not do this anymore, I have fired more than one Doctor and walked out after waiting. I have never had a problem when a nurse came in and explained that there was a delay due to XYZ. But no longer accept being a piece meat to hang and wait.
I bet some of you are going to be on 9 or 10 o'clock news.
"Angry shopper pushed local retail receipt checker"
OR
"Aurora cop injured, shoplifting suspect shot" (http://www.9news.com/news/local/article/365776/222/Aurora-cop-injured-shoplifting-suspect-shot-)
If you do not like their policy you DO NOT HAVE TO SHOP THERE!!!
You have an OPTION to shop at Amazon groceries.
Even though I don't think people are being detained, I don't think places like Costco or Sam's need this system, as you JUST went through the line where your items were handled by TWO employees. After a self-check line, sure. After two employees just rung up all your items? Unnecessary.
OtterbatHellcat
11-23-2013, 07:18
Even though I don't think people are being detained, I don't think places like Costco or Sam's need this system, as you JUST went through the line where your items were handled by TWO employees. After a self-check line, sure. After two employees just rung up all your items? Unnecessary.
Yeah, that was kinda my point.
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