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Guys,
My girlfriend and I are looking to rent a house in CO springs. She owns a pitbull mix so finding a landlord that is willing to accommodate us is proving to be difficult. Do any of you have any possible connections or information that would help us out?
Thanks
colorider
11-13-2013, 11:28
Don't call the dog a pit bull mix when talking to the people renting the places. Bulldog or terrier mix seems to work better
osok-308
11-13-2013, 11:37
We adopted a dog who we're 90% sure is pit but we're lucky because his papers say he's a mastiff mix. I'd say he was a terrier or bulldog like colorider said. Or get the dog registered as an emotional support animal. A buddy of mine did that after getting out of the navy.
Zundfolge
11-13-2013, 11:47
We adopted a dog who we're 90% sure is pit but we're lucky because his papers say he's a mastiff mix. I'd say he was a terrier or bulldog like colorider said. Or get the dog registered as an emotional support animal. A buddy of mine did that after getting out of the navy.
I would recommend the "Registered Emotional Support Animal" route over saying it's a "terrier" ... because if the landlord sees the dog later and he determines that it's one of the "forbidden breeds" you could find yourself in the position where you either have to get rid of the dog or be evicted.
In general, lying to people you're entangled via legally binding contracts with is a bad idea.
I would recommend the "Registered Emotional Support Animal" route over saying it's a "terrier" ... because if the landlord sees the dog later and he determines that it's one of the "forbidden breeds" you could find yourself in the position where you either have to get rid of the dog or be evicted.
In general, lying to people you're entangled via legally binding contracts with is a bad idea.
I looked into it and you need to have some issue and a doctor has to recommend a support animal.
Zundfolge
11-13-2013, 11:56
I looked into it and you need to have some issue and a doctor has to recommend a support animal.
Well if one can get a doctor to prescribe weed for imaginary ailments, I imagine you can get a doctor to come up with something requiring a support dog :p
Of course once you do that you might be opening yourselves up for removal of 2A rights down the road (since eventually I expect that anyone that has ever been diagnosed with any mental, psychological or emotional problem or prescribed any drug related to mental, psychological or emotional problems will be made "prohibited persons" under federal law).
I looked into it and you need to have some issue and a doctor has to recommend a support animal.
I would not tell a doctor I need an emotional support animal.
May soon be grounds for losing your guns due to an adverse mental state.
ETA: What Zundfolge just posted (beat me to it)
osok-308
11-13-2013, 12:01
Go to the nsar website. They don't even require a doctors note. I know that they give you a card and form and stuff. My wife and I just did it so we could take our dog to hotels that aren't as pet friendly. Our dog is well behaved and no one turns us away.
mtnrider
11-13-2013, 12:16
I don't think it's so much "pitbulls" myself more then it is owners just prefer not to rent to dog owners period. Keep searching I'm sure you can find something.
I just looked on Zillow for rentals and there were over 500 homes for rent in the Springs. As soon as I checked the pet friendly option it went down to 100. I am sure out of those 100 many are cats only.
I don't think it's so much "pitbulls" myself more then it is owners just prefer not to rent to dog owners period. Keep searching I'm sure you can find something.
I just looked on Zillow for rentals and there were over 500 homes for rent in the Springs. As soon as I checked the pet friendly option it went down to 100. I am sure out of those 100 many are cats only.
We keep running into the "agressive" breeds problem. It seems like I need to find a place that is being rented by the owner or an agency that understands that not every dog is the same.
I don't think it's so much "pitbulls" myself more then it is owners just prefer not to rent to dog owners period. Keep searching I'm sure you can find something.
I just looked on Zillow for rentals and there were over 500 homes for rent in the Springs. As soon as I checked the pet friendly option it went down to 100. I am sure out of those 100 many are cats only.
Insurance company's have a list of banned breeds. The list is 20-30 breeds long.
mtnrider
11-13-2013, 13:33
Are you in a position to buy as house instead of renting?
Unfortunately not. We are both undergraduate students.
Insurance company's have a list of banned breeds. The list is 20-30 breeds long.
That was changed recently with us. Now the only question is if the dog has a bite history. Bite history=no go.
We can get insured through USAA, as I looked into it this morning. Of the people I talked to, no company would take us, but all of the places being rented by owners didn't seem to have a problem with it.
If they don't want your money keep looking.. Fuck people that think all pits are evil. They don't get my money.
We have rentals and ask more about the size of the dog rather that the breed,,,small/medium or large, is he fully house trained???is he a barker or agressive????You know you will have to pick up the poop behind him don't you,,,,things like that are usually the questions we would ask. I guess it depends on who the landlord is, property owner/property manager or a large apartment complex with a live on-sight manager,,,,the later will almost always ask what kind of dog. The bigger the dog the harder it is it seems....
jerrymrc
11-13-2013, 20:08
If they don't want your money keep looking.. Fuck people that think all pits are evil. They don't get my money.
While that may be true my experience watching people in my hood that rent and have them runs about 1 good pit and owner to 5 bad owners that have trained there dogs to be an issue.
I know you will disagree but you were not there when three of them knocked down a fence across the street and attacked an 8 yo girl walking her dog on a leash that had me damn near shooting them and you were not there when we called the sheriff after one got out and went after the kids getting off the bus meaning I had a baseball bat out beating it away from them.
I do understand what you are saying but even one of my co-workers that has 3 has had issues even though I have never had an issue with them. Not all are bad but your outnumbered by the thugs.
If I as a landlord being through the issues above have a place for rent I can assure you that you could make all the promises in the world and the answer would be no. I understand your "Fuck You" attitude since most that own the breed think that way but when one starts out with 500 listings and because one chooses the breed that they do get's to only 5 that may rent..... because of this then the law of supply and demand is not in your favor.
At this point in time one might as well say that if someone will not rent to me because I will make meth in the house then "fuck them" That is just about how toxic the debate has become. Just saying.
I know there are bad owners... I know this. I do not debate it, but it is NOT the breed. If it were my dog would certainly be aggressive and I'd have cause for concern. I have yet to meet a pit bull that was aggressive. I know they exist, and I also know that I've been bitten at the dog park by an Australian Shepard, a Collie, and a boston. I've pulled more dogs of varying breeds off of my dog and put the owner in their place.
I know of 4 other pits who are exactly like mine. With the exception of JM's old gf, he's barked at one other person.
It is certainly not the breed as it is the ignorant (I'm being nice with the wording) owners who make them that way.
Any dog can be bad...
But here.. have a link that has wonderful info in it done by a news station none the less in Miami where they have BSL. (http://www.local10.com/thats-life/dr-ian-kupkee-weighs-in-on-pit-bull-ban/-/1716786/22949770/-/gvqimoz/-/index.html) Read the part about the temperament testing being better than a golden retriever and they're one of the six most tested breeds.
I'm not discounting anything you saw Jerry.. I've just never seen it. I hope to never see it.
At this point in time one might as well say that if someone will not rent to me because I will make meth in the house then "fuck them" That is just about how toxic the debate has become. Just saying.
It's not always about money. Good example with the meth. We'll automatically turn down anyone who offers to pay more than one month in advance.
Great-Kazoo
11-13-2013, 21:52
That was changed recently with us. Now the only question is if the dog has a bite history. Bite history=no go.
Also called an Attractive Nuisance. pit, chow, dopeyman, GS, bulldog, akita, Anything to cancel your ins. Remember having a WARNING / BEWARE OF DOG sign shows you are aware, your dog may bite, or attack someone.
Goes the same if you have a swimming pool next to a school or daycare.
The fine print of an ins policy just about negates anyone from coverage, sooner or later.
Pool doesn't have to be near a school. A pool or trampoline is an Attractive Nuisance by definition, you just have to have it fenced. With people at a certain age, assumed risk comes into play as well.
Great-Kazoo
11-13-2013, 23:22
Pool doesn't have to be near a school. A pool or trampoline is an Attractive Nuisance by definition, you just have to have it fenced. With people at a certain age, assumed risk comes into play as well.
One more reason to yell GET OFF MY LAWN ! at the local kids
Pretty much. Your insurance policy most likely has a general coverage for $500 which can be paid out on your discretion, whether you are actually liable for something or not. It is basically "go away" money.
RCCrawler
11-15-2013, 09:35
Go to the nsar website. They don't even require a doctors note. I know that they give you a card and form and stuff. My wife and I just did it so we could take our dog to hotels that aren't as pet friendly. Our dog is well behaved and no one turns us away.
That would be a federal crime.
Funny this news piece just came up today.
http://www.9news.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=364589
Colorado_Outback
11-15-2013, 11:44
That would be a federal crime.
Funny this news piece just came up today.
http://www.9news.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=364589
Where's JM? haha
rockhound
11-18-2013, 08:44
dog owner: funny he never bit anyone else before,
first thing you hear after a dog bites someone. it is always the owners fault, the dog owner has not trained theme well enogh, its not the breed. whatever the excuse is, and it reality it may actually be something the victim did
the issue is the landl;ord cannot determine if you the responsible pit bull owner or the shitty one, it is not the landlords fault that the breed of dog you have chosen is more or less likely to cause extremem bodily harm to the neighbors kid. yeah you are the victim of the crappy owner that came before you with their poorly trained dogs, but you can't make it the landlord's fault.
even if the landlord wanted to give your dog a pass the city the house is in may have rules against it.
only dog i was ever attacked by was a pit bull, and yes he was probably raised badly, so what, i have seen plenty of news stories about the family pit bull attacking the family kids or the owners best friend. oh he has always been so nice i just don't understand it.
this study shows the alarming number of Deaths or serious bodily injury attacks that are disproportionally caused by pitbulls. like it or not the breed is dangerous regardles of how you feel about them in general
http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-study-dog-attacks-and-maimings-merritt-clifton.php
I've been around dogs my entire life. Been bit by several. only one of them was on the insurance bite list.
2 Chihuahua
1 poodle
1 terroir mix
1 chow
Little dogs do as much or more damage than big dogs to property.
I recently went to a no dogs policy for my rentals
dog owner: funny he never bit anyone else before,
first thing you hear after a dog bites someone. it is always the owners fault, the dog owner has not trained theme well enogh, its not the breed. whatever the excuse is, and it reality it may actually be something the victim did
the issue is the landl;ord cannot determine if you the responsible pit bull owner or the shitty one, it is not the landlords fault that the breed of dog you have chosen is more or less likely to cause extremem bodily harm to the neighbors kid. yeah you are the victim of the crappy owner that came before you with their poorly trained dogs, but you can't make it the landlord's fault.
even if the landlord wanted to give your dog a pass the city the house is in may have rules against it.
only dog i was ever attacked by was a pit bull, and yes he was probably raised badly, so what, i have seen plenty of news stories about the family pit bull attacking the family kids or the owners best friend. oh he has always been so nice i just don't understand it.
this study shows the alarming number of Deaths or serious bodily injury attacks that are disproportionally caused by pitbulls. like it or not the breed is dangerous regardles of how you feel about them in general
http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-study-dog-attacks-and-maimings-merritt-clifton.php
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rockhound
11-18-2013, 23:42
I don't get it.
Your use of logic and statistics to conclusively determine one breed of dog is more aggressive than others, if applied to different races of people, would be considered racist.
I did not know the word for racist as applied to dog breeds.
Breedist?
Your use of logic and statistics to conclusively determine one breed of dog is more aggressive than others, if applied to different races of people, would be considered racist.
I did not know the word for racist as applied to dog breeds.
Breedist?
It really only determines the dog that does the most expensive damage if it bites.
Check out the Widefield Security area for dog friendly rentals.
We have a high Pit bull index.
rockhound
11-19-2013, 20:03
Your use of logic and statistics to conclusively determine one breed of dog is more aggressive than others, if applied to different races of people, would be considered racist.
I did not know the word for racist as applied to dog breeds.
Breedist?
Yeah I understand what you are implying, i have a fairly strong command of the English language, i just think you are incorrect., It is probably profiling also in some form :)
However it is only racist if it is a statement that is only stereotyping a race, breed , whatever class of animal or citizen. I never said all pit bulls are dangerous. I merely stated facts about a breed and why they are being outlawed. Stating a statistical fact would only be racist if you are a democrat. (that's only a joke don't get your panties twisted) If I said all xxxxx under thirty are criminals, that would be racist. If statistically i could prove it and used the stats as a statement of fact, then you would have to prove my underlying motive in order to find racism in a factual statement.
The statistics clearly point out the fact that over more than a 20 year period the pit bull is undeniably responsible for a disproportionate number of vicious attacks despite them being a serious minority in the animal community. It is equally dumb for people to stand there and say that it is all in the way the dog was raised. I have never seen a pit bull owner stand there after the dog has just killed a ten year old on the playground and admit they knew their dog was going to do that some day. They all think their dog is the one pit bull who would never hurt anyone.
Here is another breedist statement for you to chew on:
From 2005 to 2012, pit bulls killed 151 Americans (http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2012.php), about one citizen every 19 days. Of these deaths, 52% involved a family member and a household pit bull. Notably, in the first 8 months of 2011 (http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2011.php), nearly half of those killed by a pit bull was its owner.
Killed 1 person every 19 days in the US, KILLED THEM. Anyone who has a " pit bulls are ok on my property policy" is opening themselves up for one hell of a lawsuit. Breedist or not, stats like these are why you can't just live anywhere you want with a pit bull.
rockhound,
I was just trying to be clever.
Did not mean it seriously.
I agree with everything you have posted in this thread.
[Beer]
Here is another breedist statement for you to chew on:
From 2005 to 2012, pit bulls killed 151 Americans (http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2012.php), about one citizen every 19 days. Of these deaths, 52% involved a family member and a household pit bull. Notably, in the first 8 months of 2011 (http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2011.php), nearly half of those killed by a pit bull was its owner.
Killed 1 person every 19 days in the US, KILLED THEM. Anyone who has a " pit bulls are ok on my property policy" is opening themselves up for one hell of a lawsuit. Breedist or not, stats like these are why you can't just live anywhere you want with a pit bull.
Might want to check your source.
http://btoellner.typepad.com/kcdogblog/2010/03/the-truth-behind-dogsbiteorg.html
It's like getting "facts" on gun crime from these guys. http://www.bradycampaign.org/
rockhound
11-19-2013, 22:01
every source has some other guys saying they are incorrect. if it suits your agenda you will make up any story that makes you appear to be an expert, we all know that. We live with it everyday with people dogging our shooting sports.
my only point was to highlight for the OP why he couldn't just live anywhere with his dog.
I am sure you can find opposing views on the dogs and somewhere in the middle is the truth. the fact that your expert disagrees with their data does not mean their data is incorrect. I asm not going to argue who's expert is more correct but the CDC satistisc from their report backs her up. http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf
we can trade experts all day long. It seems that the CDC would be an impartial third party.
And Davsel, i understood your sarcasm, thus my profiling remark. [Beer]
If you read the report that you referenced, you will find that it does not support her claims. The dates that the report covers are different than what she is stating. But more importantly, in the discussion section of the CDC report they say that their statistics are essentially meaningless because they get their data from news reports and that the news selectively broadcasts stories that are more sensational.
Sound familiar? Pitbull = AR-15, if you don't want one don't get one. But don't help spread half truths and lies in order to further an agenda.
If you read the report that you referenced, you will find that it does not support her claims. The dates that the report covers are different than what she is stating. But more importantly, in the discussion section of the CDC report they say that their statistics are essentially meaningless because they get their data from news reports and that the news selectively broadcasts stories that are more sensational.
Sound familiar? Pitbull = AR-15, if you don't want one don't get one. But don't help spread half truths and lies in order to further an agenda.
Really?
Who is it you are accusing of "half truths and lies?"
From: http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf
Procedure
We collected data from The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) and media accounts related to dog bite attacks and fatalities, using methods from previous studies. The HSUS maintains a registry of human dog bite-related fatality (DBRF), including date of death, age and sex of decedent, city and state of attack, number and breeds of dogs involved, and circumstances relating to the attack. To supplement HSUS reports, as in the past, a database was searched for accounts of human DBRF that occurred in 1997 and 1998. Our search strategy involved scanning the text of newspapers and periodicals for certain words and word combinations likely to represent human DBRF followed by a review of articles containing those terms. Data obtained from HSUS and news accounts were merged to maximize detection of human DBRF and avoid duplicate reports. One new human DBRF from 1996 was identified in the 1997 and 1998 reports and was added to the existing data for 1996.
You left a part of that out.
"data may be biased for four reasons. First, human DBRF here are likely underestimated..... Second, to the extent that attacks by 1 breed are more news-worthy than those by other breeds, our methods may have resulted in differential ascertainment of fatalities by breed. Third, because identification of a dog's breed may be subjective....DBRF may be deferentially ascribed to breeds with reputation for aggression...."
The people who wrote the report are telling you that their data is unreliable. How does this equate to me telling half truths?
You left a part of that out.
"data may be biased for four reasons. First, human DBRF here are likely underestimated..... Second, to the extent that attacks by 1 breed are more news-worthy than those by other breeds, our methods may have resulted in differential ascertainment of fatalities by breed. Third, because identification of a dog's breed may be subjective....DBRF may be deferentially ascribed to breeds with reputation for aggression...."
The people who wrote the report are telling you that their data is unreliable. How does this equate to me telling half truths?
Really?
First you post that the report was based on news reports - half-truth
Then you follow up with reference to 4 disclaimers, and only post 2 of the 4 - half-truth
And, you don't see it?
Never mind.
The PDF is linked.
I can't help you understand it.
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