Would you vote for Chris Chrispy? [Archive] - Colorado AR-15 Shooters Club Discussion Forums

UrbanWolf

11-15-2013, 19:07

It is a disgusting decision. Whatever the MSM is doing to praise him now will turn into a hellacious slander campaign later. What needs to happen is we find a decent conservative and rally the whole tent behind him.

Only if the liberal media can stay the fuck away from politics, not who am i joking? McCain turned out to be a closet Liberal, but the media made him sounds so good, Vietnam Vet and everything.

Zundfolge

11-15-2013, 19:15

Not just no but HOLY FUCKING CHRIST ON A CRACKER NO FUCKING WAY GODDAMNIT!!!

I've long been one of those people that Libertarians are always bitching about because I'd vote for Republicans that I didn't like because they were the "lesser of two evils" and it was more important to try to stop the Demonrats than "make a statement" ... but if Chris Christie is the GOP nominee that's it ... the party is dead (and by extension the republic itself since there won't be anyone left to stand up to the Demonrat Leviathan) I will sit the election out and start thinking long and hard about "rooftop voting".

merl

11-15-2013, 19:15

UrbanWolf, the other side could nominate Feinstein or someone with similar views on bill of rights. How would you vote then? There is bad and there is always the possibility for worse.

UrbanWolf

11-15-2013, 19:17

UrbanWolf, the other side could nominate Feinstein or someone with similar views on bill of rights. How would you vote then? There is bad and there is always the possibility for worse.

There are more then just Depublican and Remocrat party you know.

Gman

11-15-2013, 19:21

There's always the strategy of throwing out the baby with the bath water.

Zundfolge

11-15-2013, 19:22

UrbanWolf, the other side could nominate Feinstein.

Feinstein vs Christie? That's "Game Over" right there ... start stockpiling food water and ammo (and get ready to use them all).

Ronin13

11-15-2013, 19:25

I sure as hell wouldn't. If that's what the GOP would muster in '16, well looks like I get to change my voter registration to that illustrious "Independent."

ZERO THEORY

11-15-2013, 19:26

Absolutely fucking not.

If the Republicans let him win the primaries, all hope is lost. Serious. The GOP better get its head out of its ass with the antiquated, McCarthy-era, Leave It to Beaver, God-fearing non-sense that the baby boomers were so keen on. A moderate, glad-handing wanker from NJ (quite possibly the least gun-friendly state in the nation behind CA) is NOT the paradigm shift they need.

hatidua

11-15-2013, 19:29

Christie? -I'd be very surprised if Hillary isn't the D ticket, at which point it likely won't make any difference whatsoever who the R ticket is. I personally have had my fill of Clintons and Bush's, or any political dynasty, in office but I think Hillary would take it in a landslide if she runs. Sure, she has a heap of skeletons in the closet....but the media will elect her well before the ballots are even distributed.

merl

11-15-2013, 19:30

There are more then just Depublican and Remocrat party you know.

None that have any hope in hell of winning the presidential election. Has a party other than the big 2 even won a senate race in the last hundred years? I think there might be one or two in the house but not sure.

Don't misunderstand my statements as support for the R party. I strongly disagree with the religious based social policies and see their economic policies as just subsidizing a different group of folks. When the choice is between bad and worse you choose bad. There could be good over there in the corner but they will stay there.

MarkCO

11-15-2013, 19:37

Can't say for sure "No", but I sure as heck hope I don't have to make such a terrible choice as the OP has suggested. I will most likely be voting for some lesser evil even if it is not Christie. FWIW, Christie sure looks a lot like a plant to just fracture those who still have the guts oppose the liberal agenda.

Ronin13

11-15-2013, 19:40

OtterbatHellcat

11-15-2013, 19:48

For me, Merl, there is no party that represents me. I'm not solid GOP, but that gets back to your lesser of two deal. I can't vote democratic, and wouldn't if there were a gun to my head.

But put up Krispy Kreme, and I'll just not waste my time filling out my ballot. I won't fly an airplane into the white house either, but it sure would make me think about it.

Bitch of it is, there are too many 'tards with lofty ideas about stupid shit, and it might not even matter who the Pubs put up anyways. I was so astonished when this collective group of fools, known as U.S. citizens, actually voted for that piece of shit a second time.....I wandered around in a daze for a week, not understanding that. Pissed off and just miserable.

Bailey Guns

11-15-2013, 19:48

If he's the republican nominee, yes, I'd vote for him. He won't be the nominee.

And by the way...

If the Republicans let him win the primaries...

What republicans would that be that "let him win the primaries"? Are you talking about the voters or something like the "republican establishment" that so many people talk about?

MarkCO

11-15-2013, 19:49

Merl- you make a good point, but meh, I'm still holding out for the Cruz/Paul or Paul/Cruz ticket. Despite all the character assassinations the MSM has done to them, Cruz has a very high approval rating among his constituents, Democrats included. Plus, some recent polling shows that nationally he's pretty favored over McCain and Graham in how he's done his job.

That ticket would not beat Barney. Seriously, they both have too much ego, too many morals and, at least currently, not enough "sins." America has proven more and more that they want someone in the WH that really is no better than they are. Gone are the days of electing a president who would be a good, principled and ethical leader. We can thank the last several presidents for the denigration of the office to the point where a person of high moral character is no longer wanted to lead our Nation.

anaphylaxis

11-15-2013, 19:54

If GOP decide to let Chris Christie run in 2016 would you vote for him?

No. I've tried the lesser of evils thing before. Never again...

Logan

11-15-2013, 20:00

I'm still holding out for the Cruz/Paul or Paul/Cruz ticket.

^ This is the ticket that has my vote. Hell no, I would not vote for Christie.

Bailey Guns

11-15-2013, 20:01

No. I've tried the lesser of evils thing before.

I get why some of you are so adamantly opposed to the republican party. But for fuck's sake, find a new platitude. The "two evils" thing is really getting old.

UrbanWolf

11-15-2013, 20:02

Fair enough.

None that have any hope in hell of winning the presidential election. Has a party other than the big 2 even won a senate race in the last hundred years? I think there might be one or two in the house but not sure.

Don't misunderstand my statements as support for the R party. I strongly disagree with the religious based social policies and see their economic policies as just subsidizing a different group of folks. When the choice is between bad and worse you choose bad. There could be good over there in the corner but they will stay there.

MarkCO

11-15-2013, 20:13

I get why some of you are so adamantly opposed to the republican party. But for fuck's sake, find a new platitude. The "two evils" thing is really getting old.

How about "I plan to vote for the scumbag with the least amount of visible scum."

Tinelement

11-15-2013, 20:26

Nope

flan7211

11-15-2013, 20:30

Yep, Paul/Cruz 2016 for me.

UrbanWolf

11-15-2013, 20:37

The media have already made it well known that Cruz is Canadian, he might have a hard time ahead.

def90

11-15-2013, 21:39

Oddly enough.. Bill Clinton knows that gun control is political suicide and warned dems not to go there when this latest push began. As far as gun rights are concerned I would feel more comfortable with Hillary in office than Cristy.

I have a feeling that neither will be the nominees though. 2-3 years in the political world is a lifetime. Anything can happen between now and the next presidential cycle.

Come back and ask the same question when the primaries are actually in swing rather than pander to the MSM.

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argonstrom

11-15-2013, 21:45

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ZERO THEORY

11-15-2013, 21:48

What republicans would that be that "let him win the primaries"? Are you talking about the voters or something like the "republican establishment" that so many people talk about?

Registered Republicans, delegates, party officials, et al.

Gman

11-15-2013, 21:56

...or the Dems that vote in the early open primaries that tend to decide the Republican candidate.

Rooskibar03

11-15-2013, 22:07

I'm late to the party but HELL NO. Didn't we hold our nose and vote for Mitt just because he wasn't Obamaer?

never again.

Zundfolge

11-15-2013, 22:14

Registered Republicans, delegates, party officials, et al.
Don't forget all the Demonrats that vote in the open primaries in New Hampshire.

...or the Dems that vote in the early open primaries that tend to decide the Republican candidate.

See ... If I would just have scrolled down before hitting "reply with quote" :p

ZERO THEORY

11-15-2013, 22:17

...or the Dems that vote in the early open primaries that tend to decide the Republican candidate.

Good point.

I'm late to the party but HELL NO. Didn't we hold our nose and vote for Mitt just because he wasn't Obamaer?

never again.

Yeah. Gun-grabbing charlatan who votes statist...been there, done that.

8Ring

11-15-2013, 22:18

William Buckley, a respected conservative, suggested that folks should vote for the most conservative person who can be elected. Is Chris Christie the ideal candidate for me? No. Is he miles better than Hillary Clinton? Absolutely. Remember that Christie has now been elected twice, (the second time by a large majority) in a basically Democratic state because of his principles of straight talking, balancing the State of New Jersey's budget, taking on unions, all while convincing everyday folks that these steps were necessary.

I commend you to view Chris Christie's May 1, 2012 keynote speech at the Cato Institute's Milton Friedman dinner. If Christie can accomplish half of what he did in New Jersey as President he would make history.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y32vu8X5KLI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJL-IsXZbW8

Chris

sniper7

11-15-2013, 22:19

There's always the strategy of throwing out the baby with the bath water.

That is one fat ass baby. Good luck lifting the tub let alone heaving that fat ass out the window!

HoneyBadger

11-15-2013, 22:41

Not just no but HOLY FUCKING CHRIST ON A CRACKER NO FUCKING WAY GODDAMNIT!!!

This pretty much sums up my opinion as well.

but Z, why would you rather sit the election out instead of voting for a party that more accurately represents your values? Not trolling, it's an honest question.

HoneyBadger

11-15-2013, 22:46

The media have already made it well known that Cruz is Canadian, he might have a hard time ahead.
Since when does this matter? [shithitsfan]

I'll also be looking for a Paul/Cruz ticket.

ZERO THEORY

11-15-2013, 22:52

I'll also be looking for a Paul/Cruz ticket.

Would rather see Cruz/Lee

def90

11-15-2013, 23:43

This pretty much sums up my opinion as well.

but Z, why would you rather sit the election out instead of voting for a party that more accurately represents your values? Not trolling, it's an honest question.

Like the Bush's and Romney's that have actually passed real laws that have reduced our gun rights and wine and dine the Giffords' of the world?

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Singlestack

11-16-2013, 08:03

I voted for McCain/Palin and Romney/Ryan in the last two elections. Seeing the destruction that Beeho has caused our country, I will continue to vote for the lesser of 2 evils, even if it is Krispy. While I would prefer a Paul/Cruz ticket most of all, I don't think that would win just yet. Key now is control the grassroots beginning with precincts to elect better leadership to the county and state party. Elect conservative county, state, and federal representatives. Conservatives don't have to have a majority in congress to start to control what happens. Just a "large enough" caucus of 30-40 in the house and 10 or so in the senate. I believe we are moving in that direction, and Beehocare represents a golden opportunity to get the needed surge - but only if the pub leadership doesn't steal defeat from the jaws of victory as they have done countless times.

Robb

11-16-2013, 08:32

I would NOT be happy about voting for Krispie Kream, not happy at all. But I would do it.

ChadAmberg

11-16-2013, 09:38

Under no circumstances will I cast a vote for that "republican". The country is bad enough, the last thing we need is the whole damn thing to turn into New Jersey. If you are going to vote for an east coast democrat, you might as well vote for the one that at least has D after their name.

KLR650

11-16-2013, 10:31

It's the illusion of choice. You want candidate A or B. but the people don't really decide who A or B is.

milwaukeeshaker

11-16-2013, 10:56

Here we go AGAIN with all "the voting for the lesser of two evils" bullshit which has helped us get to where we are in this country. Wake up! Forget the party line crap and vote for someone who will espouse your ideals, and will follow the constitution, no matter which party they belong to.

HoneyBadger

11-16-2013, 11:42

Like the Bush's and Romney's that have actually passed real laws that have reduced our gun rights and wine and dine the Giffords' of the world?

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I'm still waiting for Z's answer.

It sounds to me like "the Bush's and Romney's that have actually passed real laws that have reduced our gun rights and wine and dine the Giffords' of the world" isn't the party that best represents your values. My question is this: instead of abstaining from the vote, why not show your dissent by voting for a candidate or party that actually represents your values?

Zundfolge

11-16-2013, 12:37

but Z, why would you rather sit the election out instead of voting for a party that more accurately represents your values? Not trolling, it's an honest question.

I've made that same argument election after election and in some cases you're right (for example I believe Romney would have been an ok president ... no better or worse than Bush, but clearly no Reagan or Coolidge).

But at this point if the GOP picks Christy I believe that's it, there is no more chance for positive change through the political system and we're left with collapse, slavery and war.

If its some other mealy mouthed moderate Republican I may still vote for them ... but not Chris Christy.

Chris Christy is not a moderate, he's every bit as liberal as Obama himself ... if he runs he'll likely lose and then we'll have Hillary (or worse) for 4-8 years ... the country doesn't survive that. If he happens to win I believe he'll be almost as bad as Hillary and again the country doesn't survive (and by "not survive" I mean no longer be a free, constitutional republic ... we'll still exist but we'll be subjects of a totalitarian collectivist state, not free and sovereign citizens ... of course if there's a lot of unrest here and abroad, our weakness may attract invasion from the Chinese or Russians ... the end of the Pax-Americana will likely be worse than WWII).

Reagan said that we're never more than one generation away from tyranny. Well I believe that generation is out of college now, buying houses and starting families ... and those children they are having are not going to know life in a free America unless re reverse course HARD and FAST.

I tell you what, I'll vote for Christy if he pulls a McCain and picks a Cruz-like candidate for his running mate ... then pray every night that he drops dead of a heart attack.

HoneyBadger

11-16-2013, 15:29

I've made that same argument election after election and in some cases you're right (for example I believe Romney would have been an ok president ... no better or worse than Bush, but clearly no Reagan or Coolidge).

But at this point if the GOP picks Christy I believe that's it, there is no more chance for positive change through the political system and we're left with collapse, slavery and war.

If its some other mealy mouthed moderate Republican I may still vote for them ... but not Chris Christy.

Chris Christy is not a moderate, he's every bit as liberal as Obama himself ... if he runs he'll likely lose and then we'll have Hillary (or worse) for 4-8 years ... the country doesn't survive that. If he happens to win I believe he'll be almost as bad as Hillary and again the country doesn't survive (and by "not survive" I mean no longer be a free, constitutional republic ... we'll still exist but we'll be subjects of a totalitarian collectivist state, not free and sovereign citizens ... of course if there's a lot of unrest here and abroad, our weakness may attract invasion from the Chinese or Russians ... the end of the Pax-Americana will likely be worse than WWII).

Reagan said that we're never more than one generation away from tyranny. Well I believe that generation is out of college now, buying houses and starting families ... and those children they are having are not going to know life in a free America unless re reverse course HARD and FAST.

I tell you what, I'll vote for Christy if he pulls a McCain and picks a Cruz-like candidate for his running mate ... then pray every night that he drops dead of a heart attack.
Thanks for the response. I mostly agree.

The only thing I would contest is invasion, but I guess if we didn't have a unified front for national policy and defense, anything could happen.

merl

11-16-2013, 15:33

How about a refinement of the question since this is all hypothetical. Would you vote for Christie over Polis (thread below this one, D rep from Boulder)?

osok-308

11-16-2013, 20:36

No I would not.

DavieD55

11-16-2013, 21:01

Not just no but HOLY FUCKING CHRIST ON A CRACKER NO FUCKING WAY GODDAMNIT!!!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^This.

ZERO THEORY

11-17-2013, 20:01

http://www.libertynews.com/2013/11/nj-gov-chris-christie-announces-he-will-officially-campaign-for-liberal-republican-senator-lindsey-graham-against-tea-party-challengers/

Yeah...no.

strm_trpr

11-18-2013, 01:27

Nope.

losttrail

11-18-2013, 06:14

Chris Christie is a RINO, so NO!

GOP will put forth yet another loser no matter who they pick.

hatidua

11-18-2013, 10:53

I'm not sure it really matters what letter is after the name of a politician from NY/NJ, when it comes to gun rights, both states have a fairly appalling record.

roberth

11-18-2013, 11:42

I can't say what I'd do, I sure hope Christy isn't the (R) frontrunner. Right now I don't see much difference b/t Hillary and Christy and I'm not sure how the GOP would differentiate the 2.

We can make our positions known in the caucus and the primary. Join the GOP and you'll get to vote in both, then if they put Christy up you can say you did your part and vote for whomever you want in the main event.

ChuckNorris

11-18-2013, 13:20

Nope!

Daniel_187

11-18-2013, 17:13

No, but would vote for him instead of option B(Clinton) Kinda like voting between a Douche and a Turd sandwich

lowbeyond

11-18-2013, 19:12

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Zundfolge

11-18-2013, 19:34

Thanks lowbeyond, I've been looking all over for that ...gonna save a copy of that on my computer so I have it for the next dumbass that tries to tell me how wonderfully conservative the schmuck is.

UrbanWolf

11-19-2013, 22:15

Thanks lowbeyond, I've been looking all over for that ...gonna save a copy of that on my computer so I have it for the next dumbass that tries to tell me how wonderfully conservative the schmuck is.

+1

jhood001

11-19-2013, 22:45

I've heard many a time around here about how there can't be a pro-2A democrat. I suppose the inverse of that is that there can't be an anti-2A republican. I guess fatty-cakes has my vote then.

[hahhah-no]

stevelkinevil

11-19-2013, 23:53

I would not under any circumstance vote for that sack o' shit. I felt dirty enough about Romney, If they again insist on being Democrat-lite, I will not do it, Never again.

11-20-2013, 00:07

I am sadly getting to the point where I believe it doesn't matter who the R or D candidate is; they are one and the same as history has shown over the last 8+ years IMO...

lowbeyond

11-20-2013, 10:56

if Christie is the nominee...

if you dont vote for him, you are letting the dems win!

vote republican, no matter what !

party trumps person !

uh-huh

Dave

11-20-2013, 11:25

Looks like he's the new chairman of the republican governors association.

http://www.rga.org/homepage/

mahkcod

11-20-2013, 11:41

if Christie is the nominee...

if you dont vote for him, you are letting the dems win!

vote republican, no matter what !

party trumps person !

uh-huh

I agree with you, but I really want to vote for a republican candidate that I won't have to pinch my nose while doing it. [pileoshit] I think we deserve someone with true conservative values.

sniper7

11-20-2013, 13:32

I agree with you, but I really want to vote for a republican candidate that I won't have to pinch my nose while doing it. [pileoshit] I think we deserve someone with true conservative values.

he was just being sarcastic.

If Chrispy Creme is the candidate, we won't have a chance at winning anyways. especially if they get michelle or Hillary or both in there together. just think...Barack and Bill can travel on vacation to hawaii together...Barack will be on the golf course and Bill will be on the beach picking up chicks.

lowbeyond

11-20-2013, 15:39

I agree with you, but I really want to vote for a republican candidate that I won't have to pinch my nose while doing it. [pileoshit] I think we deserve someone with true conservative values.

Since there is a strong bias of voting for people flying the elephant flag... no matter what. You dont.

If the republicrats nominate christie or another McCain or another RINO, rest assured you will be told by the party people that voting for them is your duty.

It happened before, it will happen again.

ETA: Then if they lose they will proceed to blame people that voted libertarian, or people that just said STFU and didnt bother to vote. As if its your fault, somehow, that thier capitalistic candidate didn't win. If only you would have held your nose then we could have had a republican as POTUS and get more freedom like the the TSA/FISA/NDAA/NSA Spying etc etc

Don't let the terrorists and dope heads libertarians win ! Stop hating America! Forward !

rofl

Bailey Guns

11-20-2013, 16:23

if Christie is the nominee...

if you dont vote for him, you are letting the dems win!

vote republican, no matter what !

party trumps person !

uh-huh

It's been explained several times by those of us who believe in the "party trumps person" philosophy why we believe that. Rather than just saying sarcastically why it isn't so, why not give some reasoning to support your stance?

PugnacAutMortem

11-22-2013, 12:21

Good gravy no.

And I saw a bunch of people that would be happy with Cruz as a nominee...from the little bit I have read about Cruz I thoroughly dislike him.

The whole government shutdown thing brought about a situation where a D senator from MI came out as the 1st congressman to say he will not accept a salary while the government was shut down because of the ridiculousness of the situation. A reporter asked Cruz shortly after that announcement if he would do the same and basically said "no way". The GOP apparently got ahold of him and told him that he needed to do it and all of a sudden he came out touting that he was not accepting a paycheck as if he came up with the idea.

He just seems to be another one of those GOP politicans who won't have what it takes to go toe-to-camel toe with Hellary. BUT as I said I only have a small amount of background knowledge about Cruz. However the impression I get from him is that I would very much dislike him.

The only person that I think I could feel like I'm not wasting my vote on would be Rand Paul (GOP wise anyways). If the GOP puts up a a stinker then it's back to the libertarian candidate for me.

JohnnyDrama

11-22-2013, 17:02

I would hold my nose and vote for him. I held my nose when I voted for Romney and I vomited a little bit in my mouth when I voted for McCain, but the last time I voted Libertarian, we got Clinton in the White House.

jhood001

11-22-2013, 23:46

JohnnyDrama

11-23-2013, 21:03

And how are the first two you mentioned working out for ya?

Since you asked, and since I thought about it, not nearly as bad as I originally thunk. The biggest take-away I have from this experience is that the "progressives" showed their hand and consequently galvanized, to a certain degree, gun owners. That is we got two lock-step Democrats fired and are the verge of shit-canning a third. At least for the time being, I doubt gun rights will be an issue that will be thrown under the bus when our congress folk start "reaching across the aisle." I'll admit that I really like Johnson and wanted to vote for him but as Vegas was giving almost even odds on Romney pulling it off, I decided I'd rather be a nail in BHO's presidency aspirations than a vote against the Republican establishment.

jhood001

11-24-2013, 00:27

Since you asked, and since I thought about it, not nearly as bad as I originally thunk. The biggest take-away I have from this experience is that the "progressives" showed their hand and consequently galvanized, to a certain degree, gun owners. That is we got two lock-step Democrats fired and are the verge of shit-canning a third. At least for the time being, I doubt gun rights will be an issue that will be thrown under the bus when our congress folk start "reaching across the aisle." I'll admit that I really like Johnson and wanted to vote for him but as Vegas was giving almost even odds on Romney pulling it off, I decided I'd rather be a nail in BHO's presidency aspirations than a vote against the Republican establishment.

I don't really see the correlation between the outcome of your presidential vote and the removal of smiley local gun-grabbers, but I will agree that what has happened here in our state has sent a strong message.

Regarding the 'vegas odds' of success: Since when is the speculation of others a guiding force for our actions? I'm personally tired of it. I'm tired of a chart or a graph telling me how I should invest. I'm tired of a pundit telling me how the leverage of my vote will ensure or take away victory from some asshole I'm not even voting for or against. I'm also really tired of commercials that are using testimony, bandwagon, etc. to try to tell me how I should be, buy and think.

Those are games. Anyone that tells you that you only have one option when you cast your vote is a fucking coward that is trying to influence you to swim in their direction.

Our right to vote is a pretty fantastic thing no matter how corrupt or broken we might think it is.

Pick the guy you want and stop hedging your bets. A landslide starts with just a little bit of earth shifting.

ZERO THEORY

11-24-2013, 10:22

Still don't understand the "have to vote between the lesser of two evils" ideology. The primaries and caucuses are where your vote counts. That will decide whether we get solid representation from the GOP. If we don't, DO NOT show them support during presidential elections. The presidency is out of voter's hands anyway (Electoral college system still pissing on our faces and votes), so feel free to vote for an independent, Libertarian, or other third party member. It will help show the GOP that we want liberty-minded, true conservatives. Otherwise, they just see us voting for yet another charlatan moderate and assume that they can keep plugging away with big government, high tax, gun control supporting pseudo conservatives.