View Full Version : Family of winners act like idiots. Cops respond by firing into van full of kids
ZERO THEORY
11-16-2013, 11:19
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Myqwv1xxkv4
WOW... Did that cop even HIT the van.
BPTactical
11-16-2013, 11:33
"Educational Roadtrip"
LOL, they gotz "Educated" alright........
Nice example mom set.
The FSA goes on a roadtrip, film at 11......
HoneyBadger
11-16-2013, 11:36
Wow... Looks like the epitome of American values: woman gets belligerent at a routine traffic stop, setting a good example for her kids, who then decide to assault a police officer. Follow that up with more bad decisions and (thankfully) bad marksmanship... Not sure what he was shooting at, but seeing as he had just shown up at the scene, why was he the first to pull his gun anyway?
UrbanWolf
11-16-2013, 11:47
(1:35) Looks like the first cop pulled out a taser gun, not a pistol. (sound is down, so i can't hear the audio)
They were on an educational road-trip, nice.
If she hadn't escalated the situation, she would have received a ticket and been sent on her way. Entirely the mom's fault, including her 14 year old son being stupid and assaulting the cop. That being said, the cops that came in as backup failed to properly contain the minivan after the driver had already fled once, and there was no real justification that I saw to discharge a weapon at the retreating minivan, although it's possible there was an officer in front of it when she fled the second time.
Today's lesson: You ain't gonna win an argument with a cop on the side of the road. Save the arguments for the judge.
It IS interesting that this happened in New Mexico, in light of the revelations of the last week or so...
I including her 14 year old son being stupid and assaulting the cop.
-junior looks like he thinks he can take on the world when he takes his beanie off getting ready for the tussle. He's lucky he didn't get Trayvon'd.
HoneyBadger
11-16-2013, 12:17
(1:35) Looks like the first cop pulled out a taser gun, not a pistol. (sound is down, so i can't hear the audio)
Right, I was talking about the backup that showed up and immediately started firing shots at the broad side of a barn from 20 ft away and missed...
-junior looks like he thinks he can take on the world when he takes his beanie off getting ready for the tussle. He's lucky he didn't get Trayvon'd.
Is that a new thing?
Oh lord, waiting for the cop bashing and keyboard commandos now.
Soo... In before the lock :).
BushMasterBoy
11-16-2013, 12:31
I would have let them check into the hotel. Then fire tear gas cannister into their room. Then listen to the sound of burning children screaming...
UrbanWolf
11-16-2013, 12:34
Right, I was talking about the backup that showed up and immediately started firing shots at the broad side of a barn from 20 ft away and missed...
I know that, I was just pointing out the taser.
BushMasterBoy
11-16-2013, 12:38
She should have just paid the speeding ticket with her EBT card...
HoneyBadger
11-16-2013, 13:10
Yeah, big kudos to the first cop for doing everything in his power not to shoot them, or even taze them.
Now, the cop who just showed up and started shooting... Not so much. Based on this video, I'll save further judgement until the full story is out - if there is such a thing.
Guy shooting at the van must have thought the other cop was still in front of it. Even still.....I wouldn't shoot at a fleeing van running over someone when I'm BEHIND the van as the other officer is in your line of fire. Even if you shoot through the van of kids and hit the driver in the dome the Officer in front of the van still gets run over. The boy who got out twice and then assaulted the officer needed a good ass kicking. Try getting out on a DPD stop with as much attitude as he had and street justice will prevail. Officer 1 should not have let her get back into the van, she should have been taser meat right there when she got out and then when custody came up she tried to get back again. She is actively resisting arrest at that point. Tough deal for that cop and all in all he handled himself well considering.
TheBelly
11-16-2013, 13:18
Educational road trip?
sheesh!
junior mctuffnutz sure got more than he can handle, I'm sure.
I woulda pulled out the ASP on junior's thigh bone. That generally makes people think twice.
good job all around, except of course for the new guy getting his first (almost) minivan-pop. (That's a real thing, right?)
HoneyBadger
11-16-2013, 13:38
I woulda pulled out the ASP on junior's thigh bone. That generally makes people think twice.
I don't think anyone here would complain about that. Officer would have been acting in self defense at that point.
OtterbatHellcat
11-16-2013, 13:41
There is so much fail that happens from the "innocent" motorist party in the first place..... is bashing the LE response relevant?
TheBelly
11-16-2013, 13:46
There is so much fail that happens from the "innocent" motorist party in the first place..... is bashing the LE response relevant?
That family is such a target rich environment for ridicule that going after the cops is pretty far down the list of things.
speedysst
11-16-2013, 13:57
Maybe the officer that was shooting was aiming for a rear tire.
jhood001
11-16-2013, 14:14
Maybe the officer that was shooting was aiming for a rear tire.
That was my guess, too.
mikedubs
11-16-2013, 14:31
It's not a good thing that I can identify the NMSP shoulder patch in the still frame and think..."Yeah, that's NM for ya"
looks like they got what they deserved. hopefully the cop was just shooting at the tires.
BPTactical
11-16-2013, 17:22
This shit is what happens when the "Oprah Winfrey Network" tries to remake "Vacation"....
They aint the Griswolds.......
blacklabel
11-16-2013, 17:31
Whole lotta stupid in that video.
I would be willing to wager folding money that that Family believes in their heart of hearts that they are "Victims" in this instance.
clublights
11-16-2013, 18:19
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It IS interesting that this happened in New Mexico, in light of the revelations of the last week or so...
Being on the road.... What happened in the last week or so in nm?
mackbamf
11-16-2013, 18:22
What the hell is wrong with that lady?!?! You got a speeding ticket, big fucking deal. Some people give such are such a poor example to their children. Now that officer didn't seem to be helping the cause at all by firing at the vehicle and glad that nobody was hit. Otherwise all the focus would be off the mom and on him.
missionxo
11-16-2013, 18:28
The only thing I could question is firing into a car that is fleeing. I have watched COPS many times so i am pretty much an expert on this situation.
skullybones
11-16-2013, 18:34
Being on the road.... What happened in the last week or so in nm?
This will get you up to speed: https://www.ar-15.co/threads/118967-Clenched-Buttocks-Multple-Anal-Probes-Colonoscopy-Drugs-Found-Zero
KevDen2005
11-16-2013, 18:37
I have watched COPS many times so i am pretty much an expert on this situation.
I am using this line
HoneyBadger
11-16-2013, 18:59
What the hell is wrong with that lady?!?! You got a speeding ticket, big fucking deal. Some people give such are such a poor example to their children. Now that officer didn't seem to be helping the cause at all by firing at the vehicle and glad that nobody was hit. Otherwise all the focus would be off the mom and on him.
Was she illegal? A wanted criminal? Her behavior suggests yes on at least one account.
I have watched COPS many times so i am pretty much an expert on this situation.
[LOL] Thanks for bringing some humor into this. I might quote you on occasion if you don't mind.
SideShow Bob
11-16-2013, 19:24
Being on the road.... What happened in the last week or so in nm?
I think it is now up to three reported cases of over the top ( or should I say shoulder deep ) body cavity searches credited to an untrained or certified drug detection K-9.
jhood001
11-16-2013, 19:42
I would be willing to wager folding money that that Family believes in their heart of hearts that they are "Victims" in this instance.
I would not bet against you. Find a sucker though and I'll double down with ya.
Always have an exit strategy.
mackbamf
11-16-2013, 19:55
Always have an exit strategy.
LOL... I guess I'm not fully prepared for every circumstance...
tmleadr03
11-16-2013, 20:20
Like Chris Rock says, If the cops have to come get you they are bringing an ass whooping with them. Aint worth it.
LOL... I guess I'm not fully prepared for every circumstance...
I just have to wonder what she thought was going to happen when she drove away. Was the officer going to radio in and say, "Cletus, I lost ANOTHER one! Can you believe that? Better luck tomorrow I guess."
osok-308
11-16-2013, 20:34
I just have to wonder what she thought was going to happen when she drove away. Was the officer going to radio in and say, "Cletus, I lost ANOTHER one! Can you believe that? Better luck tomorrow I guess."
^^ This. I just don't get why people try to drive away from the police. They're not going to give up, and they call for backup, so it's not just one you're running from, it's a whole fleet. Also kudos to the first police officer for doing everything he could, not positive about the guy who shot though.
HoneyBadger
11-16-2013, 20:45
I just have to wonder what she thought was going to happen when she drove away. Was the officer going to radio in and say, "Cletus, I lost ANOTHER one! Can you believe that? Better luck tomorrow I guess."
At least it's relatively entertaining when nobody gets hurt. Just like watching COPS.
Stupid is what stupid does. Using kids as a hostage to run away? Deserve a jail time.
OH WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I cannot say that, because:
1. I only see 1 camera angle.
2. I did not see the entire video footage. Maybe people inside the van was really in danger. Who knows....
3. Still onging investigation.
4. I wasn't there.
Although I would freaking LOVE to conclude it was mainly the mother's fault, I can't say it.
LESSON OF THE DAY.
Those 4 listed above can go BOTH fuking way.
HoneyBadger
11-16-2013, 21:16
Stupid is what stupid does. Using kids as a hostage to run away? Deserve a jail time.
OH WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I cannot say that, because:
1. I only see 1 camera angle.
2. I did not see the entire video footage. Maybe people inside the van was really in danger. Who knows....
3. Still onging investigation.
4. I wasn't there.
Although I would freaking LOVE to conclude it was mainly the mother's fault, I can't say it.
LESSON OF THE DAY.
Those 4 listed above can go BOTH fuking way.
Uhhhhh.... Was that supposed to be a rant? If so, get your own thread. [handbags]
Uhhhhh.... Was that supposed to be a rant? If so, get your own thread. [handbags]
who knows what really happened.
nvm
LOL. I read your original posting. [Coffee]
BushMasterBoy
11-16-2013, 23:03
Did she get the free rectal exam? I thought Obama cared...
streetglideok
11-16-2013, 23:20
Where da'Obumma sticker at?
theGinsue
11-16-2013, 23:51
Let's keep the conversations to behaviors exhibited without the implications associated to the race of the woman/family involved - we're better than that.
streetglideok
11-16-2013, 23:55
Actually, with the stuff packed on top of the car, I had envisioned the Griswalds going to Wally World....lol
RblDiver
11-17-2013, 00:48
I have watched COPS many times so i am pretty much an expert on this situation.
Yeah. I've knocked out Adolph Hitler over 200 times!
Stevensje
11-17-2013, 13:01
I'm sure it will be turned into racial profiling. I can't believe the way some family values are changing in this new era. They need to be made examples of.
Update
From: http://abcnews.go.com/US/cops-heart-sank-realizing-shots-fired-minivan-full/story?id=21567684
A former New Mexico state police officer who fired shots at a minivan during a chaotic traffic stop last year had no idea the vehicle was full of children and his "heart sank" when he finally realized it, he told ABC News in an exclusive interview.
Elias Montoya, 53, was terminated in December after he fired three shots at the vehicle carrying a mother and her five children ranging in ages from 6 and 16. Montoya fired the shots after a routine traffic stop evolved into an intense encounter that included a high-speed chase.
"My heart sank when they finally stopped and I was at the passenger side at that time seeing them get out at gunpoint again," he said. "I couldn't believe it that there were that many children in there."
...
"I'm not shooting at a human being. I'm shooting at a tire," Montoya said.
Hopefully he gets his job back.
Hopefully he gets his job back.
I disagree.
Oh lord, waiting for the cop bashing and keyboard commandos now.
Soo... In before the lock :).
I slapped my wrist. I had written a doosey. Here is a toned down version.
While NOT believing the family was in the right... I believe they were wrong... and this is ONLY based on what I saw in the video.
I do not believe a van that is speeding away constitutes self defense.
I do not believe running away from the cops is a capital crime.
Police are a part of the Executive Branch of government only and are not allowed to be judge jury and executioner.
Honestly, if disagreeing with a police officer carries a death sentence, then do you blame anyone for fleeing for their lives? Granted, disagreeing with a police officer should be done in court, and everyone knows talking to cops when accused of a crime (speeding) is inadvisable, but doesn't anyone see where this could get out of hand?
RblDiver
01-17-2014, 16:06
Honestly, if disagreeing with a police officer carries a death sentence, then do you blame anyone for fleeing for their lives? Granted, disagreeing with a police officer should be done in court, and everyone knows talking to cops when accused of a crime (speeding) is inadvisable, but doesn't anyone see where this could get out of hand?
Well, while I totally agree that things need to be investigated et al, I do feel that if the officer was indeed aiming to disable the vehicle, it may have been a wise choice (well, sort of). Otherwise, the van could have tried to flee, become erratic, then crashed into another car killing innocent civilians, etc. (My one cent)
XC700116
01-17-2014, 16:22
Well, while I totally agree that things need to be investigated et al, I do feel that if the officer was indeed aiming to disable the vehicle, it may have been a wise choice (well, sort of). Otherwise, the van could have tried to flee, become erratic, then crashed into another car killing innocent civilians, etc. (My one cent)
That's really a stretch based on the fact that the cop does not have a crystal ball. The woman in the van is obviously a completely irrational idiot, but shooting at a vehicle because of what might happen down the road is completely unacceptable when there is no imminent threat. The actions of THAT officer IMO are out of bounds and illustrate a lack of understanding on what justifies use of deadly force.
Also there's enough LEO's on this board to get a straight answer on this. When have you ever been trained to use your service weapon to "shoot out the tires" of a fleeing vehicle along the road? Seems like a pretty Hollywood notion to me considering the amount of different options and innovations they have that are actually effective for stopping high speed chases these days. Spike strips perhaps.
Well, while I totally agree that things need to be investigated et al, I do feel that if the officer was indeed aiming to disable the vehicle, it may have been a wise choice (well, sort of). Otherwise, the van could have tried to flee, become erratic, then crashed into another car killing innocent civilians, etc. (My one cent)
That is a HUGE no-no. You ONLY discharge your weapon if deadly force is authorized - period. Many years ago there was a Denver police officer (Spinharney) who fired on a car during a traffic stop that was simply pulling forward as he approached the car. The officer was approaching from behind the vehicle when the driver decided to pull forward to get further out of traffic. Officer Spinharney then drew his sidearm and opened fire. Subsequently the driver was not injured. Officer Spinharney was later found negligent for his actions and terminated. I personally knew the detective in IA who investigated the shooting. He said in all of his years of investigating officer involved shootings, this was the only one that when he asked the officer why he fired his weapon, he replied, "I don't know".
I'm not saying there isn't an appropriate time to fire on a fleeing vehicle, but again...deadly force must be authorized in order for it to be justified.
All I am saying is deadly force is what it is DEADLY force. It just seems as though news outlets have been reporting more stories about police getting "skiddish". Perhaps they need more training to deal with situations that are dangerous.
This Blue Tacoma with two hispanic females looks alot like grey Nissan Titan with a blank black male doesn't it?
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tmleadr03
01-17-2014, 17:11
All I am saying is deadly force is what it is DEADLY force. It just seems as though news outlets have been reporting more stories about police getting "skiddish". Perhaps they need more training to deal with situations that are dangerous.
This Blue Tacoma with two hispanic females looks alot like grey Nissan Titan with a blank male doesn't it?
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White?
White?
negative. typing is challenging for me today.
ZERO THEORY
01-18-2014, 00:22
Everyone else has pretty much covered it, but shooting at a fleeing vehicle during a routine traffic stop? What?
Driver deserved to be arrested/cited for any number of disruptive charges. But unless she's driving a suicide chemical bomb towards the city water supply, why are you trying to stop the vehicle with force when you have helicopters, radios, V8 patrol cars, spike strips, cameras, and satellites?
Everyone else has pretty much covered it, but shooting at a fleeing vehicle during a routine traffic stop? What?
Driver deserved to be arrested/cited for any number of disruptive charges. But unless she's driving a suicide chemical bomb towards the city water supply, why are you trying to stop the vehicle with force when you have helicopters, radios, V8 patrol cars, spike strips, cameras, and satellites?
And soon.... Drones
Hopefully he gets his job back.
As a burger flipper, sure.
As someone who can shoot into occupied vehicles, not so much.
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