US military's laser sight

[UrbanWolf]

What is the laser sight our military uses?

http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt104/vor033/USMC%20-%204/0abe4ed3.jpg

[mtnrider]

There are several models in use.



AN/PAQ-1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/PAQ-1)
AN/PAQ-4C (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=AN/PAQ-4C&action=edit&redlink=1)
AN/PEQ-3 Modular Universal Laser Equipment (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=AN/PEQ-3_Modular_Universal_Laser_Equipment&action=edit&redlink=1)
AN/PEQ-5 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/PEQ-5)
AN/PEQ-6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/PEQ-6)
AN/PEQ-15 (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=AN/PEQ-15&action=edit&redlink=1)

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[ChunkyMonkey]

What is the laser sight our military uses?

http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt104/vor033/USMC%20-%204/0abe4ed3.jpg

I got an anpeq 15 I will be listing if you are interested to buy one.

[Mick-Boy]

The most common lasers the military uses are the PEQ-2, PEQ-15 and PEQ-16. That Marine has a PEQ-15 (http://www.usnightvision.com/anpeq-15atpial.aspx).

[UrbanWolf]

The most common lasers the military uses are the PEQ-2, PEQ-15 and PEQ-16. That Marine has a PEQ-15 (http://www.usnightvision.com/anpeq-15atpial.aspx).

** Military & Law Enforcement ONLY

What kind of damage can it do to a person's eye?

[merl]

Less than some other lasers on the open market, eye damage is not the reason they are Mil only.

[MarkCO]

If you are looking for something made to Mil standards and available to anyone, look at the Burris line: http://www.burrisoptics.com/ardbal.html

I have been running an AR-DBAL for about 6 months now and have been able to directly compare them to actual Mil units...no complaints from me. With both lasers, I can go 200 yards plus with no problem. I am considering setting up for a 300 yard zero just for east of holds, but I already know the laser will do it. The green is bright daylight visible to about 60 yards. Further with magnification and some time.

[UrbanWolf]

Less than some other lasers on the open market, eye damage is not the reason they are Mil only.

Why are they mil only then?

[USMC88-93]

Why are they mil only then?

IR and a higher mW the Govt Nannys do not want you blinding yourself or others without even realizing it.

[ChunkyMonkey]

IR and a higher mW the Govt Nannys do not want you blinding yourself or others without even realizing it.

That's because you guys keep playing Jedi and using them as light sabers!! ;)

[merl]

had not considered IR, not alot of market for those on the civilian side.

[MarkCO]

had not considered IR, not alot of market for those on the civilian side.

Not until you use them and see what they can do...

[MarkCO]

In all reality, it probably comes down to $ as to why some stuff is MIL/LE only. When the market is small, it is controlled and profitable. Having a few parts involved in a MIL trial and working on several DARPA projects, I learned stuff that truly amazed me, but it is really just $.

[ChunkyMonkey]

, I learned stuff that truly amazed me, but it is really just $.

And it's endless. NV, illum, thermal then NV thermal lol

[Mick-Boy]

If you are looking for something made to Mil standards and available to anyone, look at the Burris line: http://www.burrisoptics.com/ardbal.html

I have been running an AR-DBAL for about 6 months now and have been able to directly compare them to actual Mil units...no complaints from me. With both lasers, I can go 200 yards plus with no problem. I am considering setting up for a 300 yard zero just for east of holds, but I already know the laser will do it. The green is bright daylight visible to about 60 yards. Further with magnification and some time.

I always suggest running a parallel zero on IR and VIS lasers. If you know your laser hits an inch or so left and a hair high of your point of aim at your zero distance, you can use the same drop holds as far out as you can normally shoot and still achieve minute-of-man accuracy without trying to remember where your laser crosses your POA and trying to figure out where to hold at extended distances.

[Mick-Boy]

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Here's INSIGHT's 25M zero target for a parallel IR laser zero. This might make things a little clearer.

[merl]

Not until you use them and see what they can do...

This begs the question, what can they do that a visible laser cannot? At night, in combination with night vision, when the other side does not have night vision there is a clear advantage. Beyond that?

The only civilian use I can think of other than fun (which is a perfectly legit reason by itself) is nighttime pest control. Considering you still need the NV that would have to be one heck of a pest problem to be worthwhile.

[ChunkyMonkey]

This begs the question, what can they do that a visible laser cannot? At night, in combination with night vision, when the other side does not have night vision there is a clear advantage. Beyond that?

The only civilian use I can think of other than fun (which is a perfectly legit reason by itself) is nighttime pest control. Considering you still need the NV that would have to be one heck of a pest problem to be worthwhile.

Mall Ninja-ism

[MarkCO]

This begs the question, what can they do that a visible laser cannot? At night, in combination with night vision, when the other side does not have night vision there is a clear advantage. Beyond that?

The only civilian use I can think of other than fun (which is a perfectly legit reason by itself) is nighttime pest control. Considering you still need the NV that would have to be one heck of a pest problem to be worthwhile.

First, I avoid malls like the plague, seriously.

Predators and hogs at night, huge advantage. The ability to spend more time looking, ranging etc. all makes for a more ethical shot. Sure, pest control factors in as well. But, if you are of the mindset to hunker down at home, protect life and not go out looking, the IR, to me, is an essential tool. You can get as deep and dark as possible with the path IR illuminated. This gives a MUCH better adherence to the 4 laws of gun safety without any associated risk.

Look 2 years ago, I did not even have a red laser and no WMLs. In part from reading, in part from training and in part from shooting Night 3Gun matches, my complete perspective on visual enhancement tools in the dark has changed. I've had the opportunity to use, in live fire, the current state of the art MIL issue NVG, thermal scopes, IR scopes, and some that have multi-modes and the lasers. The applications are limited, sure. Is IR the first piece of gear to get? No. But when you have all the toys and want to expand the options...worthwhile.

Mick, thanks for that zero target. I did run the beams parallel with the bore for both the IR and Green and I round that hits to 100 were simple and fast. Then I actually zero'd at 100 and found that it was pretty good out to 200, but at 300, I was having to think about which laser did what since they technically "crossed" at 100. I will keep playing with the set-up.

BTW merl, a little bit of work with a $200 IR laser and a $150 NV monocular set-up is much cheaper and more versatile than a NV scope. Working on a market solution with a scope mount company. It is pretty cool.

[Great-Kazoo]

First, I avoid malls like the plague, seriously.

Predators and hogs at night, huge advantage. The ability to spend more time looking, ranging etc. all makes for a more ethical shot. Sure, pest control factors in as well. But, if you are of the mindset to hunker down at home, protect life and not go out looking, the IR, to me, is an essential tool. You can get as deep and dark as possible with the path IR illuminated. This gives a MUCH better adherence to the 4 laws of gun safety without any associated risk.

Look 2 years ago, I did not even have a red laser and no WMLs. In part from reading, in part from training and in part from shooting Night 3Gun matches, my complete perspective on visual enhancement tools in the dark has changed. I've had the opportunity to use, in live fire, the current state of the art MIL issue NVG, thermal scopes, IR scopes, and some that have multi-modes and the lasers. The applications are limited, sure. Is IR the first piece of gear to get? No. But when you have all the toys and want to expand the options...worthwhile.

Mick, thanks for that zero target. I did run the beams parallel with the bore for both the IR and Green and I round that hits to 100 were simple and fast. Then I actually zero'd at 100 and found that it was pretty good out to 200, but at 300, I was having to think about which laser did what since they technically "crossed" at 100. I will keep playing with the set-up.

BTW merl, a little bit of work with a $200 IR laser and a $150 NV monocular set-up is much cheaper and more versatile than a NV scope. Working on a market solution with a scope mount company. It is pretty cool.


You suggest anything besides the burris IR for this kind of setup? Also has does a monocular work for people who have vision issues? TIA

[MarkCO]

The CTC IR Railmaster has been $200 on sale. They normally run around $250. It is the least expensive one I have used and it works very well. The NV monoculars I have tried have ranged from $100 to $800. The Bushnells in the $150 to $200 range do everything you need them to for the "poor mans NV sight". They have 1x, 2x, and 3x. I kind of prefer the 2x.

I don't know what you are asking related to vision issues.

[Great-Kazoo]

I don't know what you are asking related to vision issues.

I wear bifocals. Being right eye dominant, with a not so good left one. Would that have any bearing, focus wise?

[MarkCO]

I don't think that would pose any issue.

[ChunkyMonkey]

I wear bifocals. Being right eye dominant, with a not so good left one. Would that have any bearing, focus wise?

I ll bring my setup next time I see you. I prefer the binocular much better than the mono as said before.

[MarkCO]

I ll bring my setup next time I see you. I prefer the binocular much better than the mono as said before.

You have NV binos mounted on a rifle?

[ChunkyMonkey]

You have NV binos mounted on a rifle?

No, anvis 9 and anpeq 15, and TA31 as scope