Remembering John Fitzgerald Kennedy

[Ronin13]

So I wasn't alive, obviously, but my mother says, to her, 50 years ago today is forever burned into her memory in the same way that Columbine and 9/11 are burned into mine. The most common question asked is: Do you remember where you were when JFK was shot? Of course JFK won't be remembered for any great accomplishments or achievements, except that he was a great speaker, well liked by both sides of the aisle, and was the first American President assassinated since McKinley in 1901, and only the 4th US President ever assassinated. But what he will be remembered for, and this is mostly my opinion based on history and the things I've learned over the years- John F Kennedy was the last of a rare breed- the "Good" Democrats. In my opinion, based on what we've seen in the time since, JFK can be attributed to a special kind of Democrat, the "Kennedy Democrat." We haven't seen another like him, and I seriously doubt there ever will be another Democrat like him. Granted, he was a democrat back in a time when the party was much more aligned to the right that it is now. But RIP Mr. President, you are missed still 50 years later, even by those of us who weren't even alive at the time.

[BPTactical]

How can we forget?
Media has been pounding it for the last 3 weeks.

[generalmeow]

The Kennedy's are a bunch of miscreants. All of them. No respect here.

[Ronin13]

The Kennedy's are a bunch of miscreants. All of them. No respect here.
What would you say if I told you that JFK was a lifetime member of the NRA and owned two of Stoner's now famed AR-15s?

[generalmeow]

That's not the only thing I care about.

The guy was a sleazeball politician, just like the rest of em.

[Drucker]

I would say, so what? And ask the Cuban community how much those Stoners were worth without A-26 support.

[cstone]

Cult of Personality.

The worst thing to come from Kennedy's assassination was the Johnson administration. In 1962, Ronald Reagan switched from being a registered Democrat to being a Republican. Both parties were different than what they are today, but politicians are always politicians. Kennedy was a politician, no mistake about it.

[wctriumph]

I came home from school and my mom was crying. I asked what was wrong and she said, "Someone shot the President". And she cried some more.

I liked some of what Kennedy did and some things I did not, just like Nixon and Reagan.


TEA

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[blacklabel]

What would you say if I told you that JFK was a lifetime member of the NRA and owned two of Stoner's now famed AR-15s?

Because all it takes to be worth a damn is to own firearms?

[jerrymrc]

I remember my mom crying. I still have my 2 page handout and button from when Bobby was in Portland a few days before he was assassinated.

[Great-Kazoo]

They dismissed us from school early. My old man till this date still dislikes JFK, Something about a mick bastard, less than honest family history.Not to say he wasn't broken up about him being shot, just not a fan of him. My family has a long history of NOT VOTING DEMOCRAT.
Then again he still holds a grudge against Truman for dismissing MacArthur.
Everyone has an opinion about all statesman, good, bad , indifferent. The kennedy clan's ties to organized crime went back decades before JFK was elected president. I believe those ties were one part of his being elected. Keep in mind a lot of "dirt" was well known within the media, yet they acted different then. None of this 24/7 instant gratification, we have today. Of course the fear of ending up as newspaper pulp may have played a part.

While D's give lip service to JFK as a visionary, they have forgotten these words.

ASK NOT WHAT YOUR COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU,
ASK WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY

The world is very different now. For man holds in his mortal hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all forms of human life. And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe - the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God.

[sniper7]

I wasn't alive, not even close. He was just another politician, no more no less as far as I'm concerned.

[Ronin13]

Yikes! I should have put on a fire retardant suit before starting this thread. I was simply stating that, by comparison, the caliber of Democrat that Kennedy was seems almost like a Republican by comparison to the Dems we have trudging their sh*t covered shoes through D.C. today. And like it or not, many of you may hate politicians (lord knows I'm hard pressed to find enough to count on one hand that I like), but we're stuck with that type of person in this day and age...

[hatidua]

politicians are always politicians

-that's all that need be said, right there.

[Great-Kazoo]

Vote for Me and I'll Set You Free


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9poCAuYT-s

[brutal]

great googamooga indeed

[Ridge]

Kennedy was a vet and a spoke and acted with more honor than the majority of Republicans nowadays. The Dems and Republicans had an idealogical switch in the late 60s. Kennedy would be a Republican and a conservative today.

[ZERO THEORY]

His death opened up the flood gates for LBJ's social programs. FDR's New Deal was bad, but fuck's sake...

[MarkCO]

Well, he was not directly responsible for his death and thus LBJs policies. He was more closely aligned with Regan's policies than those of Obama, Clinton or McCain...

Just based on his policies and platform, he would not get so much as even a local office today, much less the presidency. Regan ran on, and invoked many of JFks polices. I still say that a Republican who adopted JFKs entire platform would be BETTER for us than any president since he was in office, but unelectable.

We are not stuck, we choose the path of the sheep instead of the sheepdog...

[streetglideok]

As many said, JFK had his good points, and bad points. He was a WWII vet, and sadly the son of a traitor. Him, and Bobby were probably the two better Kennedys. Edward, well, we all know how well he could drive. I don't recall seeing anything pointing him out as being anti-gun, but then it was after his death that the anti-gunners came out of the woodwork. He gave several moving speeches, including putting a man on the moon, and what can you do for your country. One could say he was the Reagan of the democrats, or would have been. He was a politician, and has the same moral compass as most. One could speculate LBJ's involvement in the assassination, and the socialists overtaking the democrats once and for all. We have reached a point that nears critical mass now. The entitlement mentality has taken over, and now we are reaching the point where the minority of the people must work to support the majority. That goes along with the socialist/communist plan. The thing to do now is to ban voting for those on substantial gov't assistance, and vote changes in that will get them off the gravy train. We all know that will not happen, as the "people's party" will not allow that, and got rid of the filibuster to boot. Now, when nearly all people are on gov't assistance and handouts, they will support and make it illegal for those on such programs to vote, giving the elite total control of us.

[Ridge]

The thing to do now is to ban voting for those on substantial gov't assistance, and vote changes in that will get them off the gravy train. We all know that will not happen, as the "people's party" will not allow that

Nor should it happen. You would set a dangerous, terrible precedent to ban rights for people you don't agree with.

[streetglideok]

Yep, its a dangerous path to go on. Right now, we have reached that point where too many like living off the fed, and won't cut the hand off that feeds them. It's not self sustaining, and the liberals discount that as myth and legend when told to refer to history. Unless we have a strong change in attitudes, this country will implode eventually.

[Great-Kazoo]

Nor should it happen. You would set a dangerous, terrible precedent to ban rights for people you don't agree with.

Dangerous, perhaps. However how can an entire section of the country, be exempt from drug testing, not have oversight on their entitlement, restricted / limits of EBT card use, to name a few. Yet be accorded more "rights" than those who do work.

[Ridge]

They haven't been afforded more rights than those that work.

[Great-Kazoo]

They haven't been afforded more rights than those that work.

You know what, you're right. The have been afforded more Privileges. Less Fortunate has become the buzz word, along side "Think of the Children"

Apply for a job, take a UA. Apply for any social program , no UA, nothing. Not matter how long you're on them.

ACA, high premiums, extremely high deductible. MEDICAID, not even close. You want to apply for medicaid, jump through the hoops, meet the criteria. On an entitlement program, fill out the app, you're GTG.

The less fortunate have more accessibility and ease of access to social programs than one who works.

[Ridge]

Apply for a job take a UA. Apply for any social program , no UA, nothing. Not matter how long you're on them.

Not all jobs require you to piss in a cup. And even then, that's at the discretion of the company, not the government.

[Great-Kazoo]

Not all jobs require you to piss in a cup. And even then, that's at the discretion of the company, not the government.

And addressing the entitlement programs ?

[Ridge]

And what would you rather the tax dollars be spent on? Another shitty bottomless spending pit of a state of the art combat vehicle that will never be allowed to be used because it's too expensive to risk?

[MarkCO]

if churches have any real purpose, that is what they should do While I agree with you, Religious groups are being forced out of this role, one thing a lot of American's don't realize. The hungry, those with chemical dependence, unwed mothers, emotionally and mentally unstable have had help from many religions for the asking until recently. Another "thanks" to Obamination.

[whitbaby]

I worked in CIC on a minesweeper during the Cuban Blockade in Oct '62, sonar, radar, crypto.
Our job was to identify and take pics of the Russkie freighters running through the Windward Passage enroute to Havana.
It was really quiet on those hours on watch. Not the usual banter. The comm traffic was non stop.

I never was a big fan of JFK or the family, but as far as I'm concerned he did everything right on those 13 days.

BZ

[Mtn.man]

He was a wack job, and those in real power knew it so he got whacked.
His father sold his soul to the devil and was a reall asshole.
Was in grade school didn't cry cause wasn't old enough to give a shit about politics at the time.

we would probably have had WWIII had he lived.

[whitbaby]

[QUOTE=HBARleatherneck;1416771]Kennedy was philandering scum. he sent the boys at the bay of pigs to certain death since he pulled a clinton (somalia) and backed out of something when support was warranted. we would have never had castro down there.

[QUOTE]

Most of the fiasco at the Bay of Pigs was caused by the ineptness and indecisiveness of Dean Rusk, his Secretary of State and Bobby Kennedy trying to make a name for himself.

Clinton's Mogadishu was another case of same. His senior officers wanted to bring in a couple of the available AC-130 gunships as backup, Bubba agreed... then when mission got underway he changed his mind...didn't want to make the Somalian warlords too angry don'cha know...

[Ronin13]

And what would you rather the tax dollars be spent on? Another shitty bottomless spending pit of a state of the art combat vehicle that will never be allowed to be used because it's too expensive to risk?

If taxes are being collected they should be spent on infrastructure the gov is responsible for, roads (which are crumbling), water/sewer (also crumbling), updating the power grid and hardening against outside forces (EMP/solar threats), and how about giving our armed forces a little raise instead of handing it out to people who refuse to work.

Sent from my evil, black smartphone.

[Great-Kazoo]

If taxes are being collected they should be spent on infrastructure the gov is responsible for, roads (which are crumbling), water/sewer (also crumbling), updating the power grid and hardening against outside forces (EMP/solar threats), and how about giving our armed forces a little raise instead of handing it out to people who refuse to work.

Sent from my evil, black smartphone.

That there is treasonous and racist. You want to increase the monthly income of people who put their life on the line, in foreign countries. Rather than take care of the underprivileged in America. HERETIC.