Reminder, Ballot Initiative for repealing Magazine Ban deadline nearing. [Archive] - Colorado AR-15 Shooters Club Discussion Forums

fitz19d

11-23-2013, 20:39

The petitions have to be in by the 7th. Figure logistics of dropping them off w/ the coordinator means more like the 4th or 5th.

I recently got a set of petitions and can meet at my home or nearby in the Milliken/Johnstown/Loveland areas. I will only have these until sometime Wed midday. If interested in getting around to signing the petition to repeal the magazine law in Colorado give me a call/text 970 391 0579.

I don't know about in the great evil "south" of Boulder/Denver/Springs, but up here some other options would be last I knew : Jensen Arms, Rocky Mountain Shooter Supply, USA Liberty Arms, Bear Arms.

Unlike the recall that didn't take that many votes, this requires 60,000 legit signatures. The organizers goal is like 120,000 as inevitably many are thrown out for technical reasons and even anti gunners using bad info to give a false sense of security.

However one might feel about the more publically accepted background checks, I think everyone on this board almost would agree how laughable this law is. I understand some of us put if off, I didn't get mine signed until a few weeks ago, but for this one every one counts so get yourself, families, friends out to sign. (And hence my offer to do a little bit of travel/host for signing.) At work alone I picked up 6 unexpected signatures while getting my co workers signed up.

Fitz

Roger Ronas

11-23-2013, 21:13

I'd sign if someone gets them in the Springs.
Roger

driver

11-23-2013, 22:51

Does anyone know where I can sign in Jefferson County, or the greater Denver area? Got a link for this?

jerrymrc

11-24-2013, 07:53

I have a feeling that we have been left out down here. Have not seen one and if I had one I know at least 30+ sigs I could get in an hour.

AirbornePathogen

11-24-2013, 08:36

Does anyone know where I can sign in Jefferson County, or the greater Denver area? Got a link for this?

This. Anywhere near me, I'll sign for sure.

Ronin13

11-24-2013, 08:42

Is this the same thing that was at the Farewell To Arms Freedom thing back in June? The Put it to the People?

merl

11-24-2013, 09:00

with virtually zero publicity

mtnrider

11-24-2013, 09:02

First I have heard of this? My guess it will fail miserably since no one seems to know about it here in the Springs. This would have been the best place to get signatures?

merl

11-24-2013, 09:04

Working with the recall people to sign both at the same time would have made the most sense.

KevDen2005

11-24-2013, 09:08

I actually already signed. But if there is a link or something like that, I know several lazy people that would still sign it from the comfort of their living rooms

PSS

11-24-2013, 09:20

I need petitions. I could get at least a hundred at work. I tried to find a place to get them with no luck. I'm gonna drive up to Grand Junction and see if they would give me some.

driver

11-24-2013, 09:48

I don't have FB but I found this link.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Repeal-HB-13-1224/444202582326963

I just called fitz19d and got a 303 number from him, I left a message on it. I'll post a link or any info I get when I hear back.

flogger

11-24-2013, 09:57

I'm pretty sure I signed the petition at Bowers last month.

stretch

11-24-2013, 10:02

Does anyone know where I can sign in Jefferson County, or the greater Denver area? Got a link for this?
5280 Armory had a mag ban petition there about a month ago. May want to call them to make sure it is the same thing before headin over.

mtnrider

11-24-2013, 10:15

I got this link from the FB page..

http://putittothepeople.wordpress.com/signing-locations/

Most places in El Paso county are pretty obscure places I have never been to or heard of. Almost all guns shops are not on the list. Specialty Sports is and I probably go in there once a week and have never seen this petition?

If this is to succeed it needs the attention that the recall efforts are getting,

hatidua

11-24-2013, 11:30

I never even know there was a petition!

Ah Pook

11-24-2013, 11:41

I never even knew there was a petition!
Welcome to the club.

Edit: Just went to the FB page. Less propaganda and a little info would go a long way.

Edit 2:Thanks for the link, Mtnrider. Looks like CO Gunsport has a petition, Hatidua. I'll be stopping in on Tue.

fitz19d

11-24-2013, 11:55

Yeah, I wish I'd said something sooner, I thought I saw the info for it on here ages back but guess not.

Still a couple weeks to try and find a place. Maybe Driver if he gets some info from the head guys # I gave can provide some better options.

I know they've been at some of the gun shows, up here at least.

blacklabel

11-24-2013, 12:09

Is there a list of places collecting signatures?

sabot_round

11-24-2013, 12:12

Shit!! I'm here in the middle of nowhere, unable to do anything.[Mad]

Ah Pook

11-24-2013, 12:13

Is there a list of places collecting signatures?

Check the link in post #15.

hatidua

11-24-2013, 12:43

Ah, from post #15 I see that Gunsport is on the list, I'll get in there on Tuesday and sign up.

blacklabel

11-24-2013, 13:40

Check the link in post #15.

Thanks, I'll stop by CSS today and sign it.

Zundfolge

11-24-2013, 14:17

I'd sign if someone gets them in the Springs.
Roger
I believe that Paradise Sales (http://paradisefirearms.com/) has them...I stopped by to sign but Paul had taken the sign up sheet with him somewhere so you should probably call first (I really need to get back there to sign it).

Justin

11-24-2013, 23:46

Both Paradise and Specialty Sports should have these petitions available to sign, as I've seen them in both places.

buckshotbarlow

11-25-2013, 08:07

Does anyone know where I can sign in Jefferson County, or the greater Denver area? Got a link for this?

same here!!!

Hound

11-25-2013, 08:55

First I am hearing about it. Anything over here in Aurora? I know several families that will add their signatures. We need to have a list of places to sign being updated here, not some link. And how the hell did this forum not get put on the top of the list when this came out. With only two weeks left.... Really?

XC700116

11-25-2013, 09:17

Someone with FB please copy and paste the list here, There's a lot of us that don't have FB accounts.

Jer

11-25-2013, 09:22

Someone with FB please copy and paste the list here, There's a lot of us that don't have FB accounts.

Sounds like a personal problem.

hurley842002

11-25-2013, 09:43

Someone with FB please copy and paste the list here, There's a lot of us that don't have FB accounts.

Sounds like a personal problem.

Amazing how many folks refuse to deal with FB due to privacy, principle, or whatever other reasons, but it's okay to benefit from FB as long as someone else is "taking one for the team"...

merl

11-25-2013, 09:51

hurley842002

11-25-2013, 09:55

Benefitting from FB would be viewing it directly without logging in & creating an account (like all those pictures from fbcdn.com)

Copying information off of it to a different location is not benefiting FB at all, it hurts them as they do not get views.

So what you are saying is all the anti FB folks can actually take the time to seek out the info they wish to have, all by themselves....?

merl

11-25-2013, 10:26

You mean like this thread?

If the only way people, companies, organizations, etc choose to communicate is facebook they automaticaly miss half the US population. Some may be okay with that but a drive to gather petitions needs to reach as many people as possible. The OP did not even include a link to anything with information FB or not.

Hound

11-25-2013, 11:02

So what you are saying is all the anti FB folks can actually take the time to seek out the info they wish to have, all by themselves....?

Look, you are hurting this petition by side tracking on your FB love. Many of us don't want/need/ or "feel the FB love". If you want to go off on that one, please start another thread where we can ignore it in peace. This thread is talking to getting rid of a bad law.... Which I think we can all agree with.

driver

11-25-2013, 11:16

Machine Gun Tours had a petition, but he said they already picked it up. He didn't have any other info but suggested trying 5280. 5280 doesn't usually open again until Wednesday and who knows with the holiday.

Edit: I just called Tom and Joe's. He said they have the petition on the counter now.

Mon: 10:00 AM - 5:00 PM Tues - Fri: 10:00 AM - 6:00 PM
Sat: 10:00 AM - 3:00 PM
Sun: Closed

Tom and Joe's Firearms
12627 W 32nd Ave, Wheat Ridge, CO 80033 ‎
(303) 231-0998 ‎

UrbanWolf

11-25-2013, 11:26

How come no one talked about this earlier?

rondog

11-25-2013, 11:31

Does Bowers have it? I'm in that area.

Rabid

11-25-2013, 12:31

How come no one talked about this earlier?
We did talk about this on multiple occasions here on the forum months ago. We even had a discussion if it was a good idea and i am still very much against it. Sure we get rid of the ban for now but do you really want it to go to a vote of the people? Do you really want the people to vote on a mag ban when there is another pot initiative next to it on the ballot? I think an initiative like this would be a great way to loose our rights and we can not even hold someone accountable when we do. I ask all of you to really think about the consequences an initiative like this could have before you sign the petition.

Hound

11-25-2013, 12:37

We did talk about this on multiple occasions here on the forum months ago. We even had a discussion if it was a good idea and i am still very much against it. Sure we get rid of the ban for now but do you really want it to go to a vote of the people? Do you really want the people to vote on a mag ban when there is another pot initiative next to it on the ballot? I think an initiative like this would be a great way to loose our rights and we can not even hold someone accountable when we do. I ask all of you to really think about the consequences an initiative like this could have before you sign the petition.

This is that one? I do remember the discussion... Maybe we need the wording of the petition put up here as well. There were good points to both sides of that argument as I remember. Maybe an admin will need to merge the two threads if this is the case?

Zundfolge

11-25-2013, 12:45

We did talk about this on multiple occasions here on the forum months ago. We even had a discussion if it was a good idea and i am still very much against it. Sure we get rid of the ban for now but do you really want it to go to a vote of the people? Do you really want the people to vote on a mag ban when there is another pot initiative next to it on the ballot? I think an initiative like this would be a great way to loose our rights and we can not even hold someone accountable when we do. I ask all of you to really think about the consequences an initiative like this could have before you sign the petition.

SECTION 32. GUN MAGAZINES — NO LIMITATION OR RESTRICTION

NO LAW, EXCEPT A LAW ENACTED BY A VOTE OF THE PEOPLE, SHALL RESTRICT OR LIMIT THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO PURCHASE OR POSSESS AMMUNITION STORAGE AND FEEDING DEVICES OF ANY CAPACITY.

Several people have opposed this because of the part in red bold. The foolishness of opposing this on those grounds is that regardless of whether this line was included or not, the people could always put another constitutional amendment on the ballot to undo this one. The inclusion of that verbiage doesn't change a damn thing.

james_bond_007

11-25-2013, 12:48

I can't believe 'ole Dudley has not been sending out emails about it...you know "HIS" idea for the petition ....

Also, I am surprised that places like Bass Pro, SW, and Cabela's aren't on the list.
Anyone know if their will be "petition gatherers" at any of these places over the Black Friday weekend ?

With the upcoming Christmas shopping frenzy, I'd think they would be IDEAL places to host a "petition gathering" session.
I can see why they might not want their employees involved in collecting signatures, like the smaller shops are doing, but I can't see why they would not allow non-employee "Petition Gatherers" to do it in a peaceable manner.

If they ARE going to allow such activity, they should be listed on the FB page ...AND on this site.

OneGuy67

11-25-2013, 12:58

Bowers didn't want a petition. I was there the day the representative was trying to get them on board with it. I ended up signing it at Rapid Fire Bunker.

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Rabid

11-25-2013, 12:58

Several people have opposed this because of the part in red bold. The foolishness of opposing this on those grounds is that regardless of whether this line was included or not, the people could always put another constitutional amendment on the ballot to undo this one. The inclusion of that verbiage doesn't change a damn thing.
What foolishness? Shall we have our rights taken away every time the dems are in office and only getting them back either going through a state wide petition process or waiting until the repubs control the state again? That sounds like insanity to me.

Jer

11-25-2013, 14:40

No wonder we always lose our rights as a community. We're so skeptical as a community that nobody thinks they can pass anti-gun legislation so the majority don't lift a finger. Then everyone bitches about it relentlessly like they had no idea it was a possibility. Then, once we get some better numbers, we make a move to get those freedoms back and all the skeptics come to say why getting our freedoms back is a bad thing. Uhhmmm the other option is to not get them back at all. Good thinking. Everyone in this community (not the COAR15.com community specifically) is SO hell-bent on being the smart guy who points out shit that isn't even there that we're out thinking ourselves. Meanwhile the libs (idiots according to most in this community) are passing shit left and right and slowly gobbling up our freedoms. They don't worry about the ramifications of the laws they want beforehand they just act. They act and they win because all the pro-constitution people are too skeptical and too smart apparently. I couldn't imagine being in politics with my beliefs because you would never please anyone. If you want to be a Dem the Republicans will hate you but the Dems will blindly support and love you. If you want to run as a Republican the Dems will obviously hate you but the Republicans will hate you too because when you introduce bills to try to regain rights they think you're out to take even more of their guns. Open your damn eyes people!

The more time I spend talking to 'gun people' the more I think it's a lost cause.

XC700116

11-25-2013, 14:51

Sounds like a personal problem.

Amazing how many folks refuse to deal with FB due to privacy, principle, or whatever other reasons, but it's okay to benefit from FB as long as someone else is "taking one for the team"...

No, it's amazing that people that want to get a petition signed would limit themselves to using FB as it's sole method of exposure. Especially when you considder the obvious leanings of FB, and the fact that a good section of the gun rights community refuses to use FB (and thereby boosting FB's bottom dollar) when they are clearly not in the pro 2A camp.

UrbanWolf

11-25-2013, 14:52

Hit the nail in the head, pretty much why NFA laws are still sitting nicely.

No wonder we always lose our rights as a community. We're so skeptical as a community that nobody thinks they can pass anti-gun legislation so the majority don't lift a finger. Then everyone bitches about it relentlessly like they had no idea it was a possibility. Then, once we get some better numbers, we make a move to get those freedoms back and all the skeptics come to say why getting our freedoms back is a bad thing. Uhhmmm the other option is to not get them back at all. Good thinking. Everyone in this community (not the COAR15.com community specifically) is SO hell-bent on being the smart guy who points out shit that isn't even there that we're out thinking ourselves. Meanwhile the libs (idiots according to most in this community) are passing shit left and right and slowly gobbling up our freedoms. They don't worry about the ramifications of the laws they want beforehand they just act. They act and they win because all the pro-constitution people are too skeptical and too smart apparently. I couldn't imagine being in politics with my beliefs because you would never please anyone. If you want to be a Dem the Republicans will hate you but the Dems will blindly support and love you. If you want to run as a Republican the Dems will obviously hate you but the Republicans will hate you too because when you introduce bills to try to regain rights they think you're out to take even more of their guns. Open your damn eyes people!

The more time I spend talking to 'gun people' the more I think it's a lost cause.

UrbanWolf

11-25-2013, 14:53

merl

11-25-2013, 15:00

Are we just giving up on social media and let the Liberals say whatever they like on there unchecked?

Course not. I see many here enjoying a good troll session on anti FB pages. I also see complaints about censorship on those same pages. They control the meesage on their sites, no way around that one.

Jer

11-25-2013, 15:13

No, it's amazing that people that want to get a petition signed would limit themselves to using FB as it's sole method of exposure. Especially when you considder the obvious leanings of FB, and the fact that a good section of the gun rights community refuses to use FB (and thereby boosting FB's bottom dollar) when they are clearly not in the pro 2A camp.

ROFL at the 'obvious leanings' of people on Facebook. Listen you can label shit you've never even tried yourself all day long or you can listen to those who have actually USED it for years now. I have over 700 'friends' and I'm guessing maybe a few dozen aren't in line with my ideals. Heck, I can easily cite many instances where thanks to calm and well thought out posts I've even converted some that were against us before. It's a social outlet which means it's literally whatever YOU make of it. You don't like someone's viewpoint or post style? Unfriend them and move on with life. I don't understand how some people manage to get through life so afraid of technology and how it's going to take over their thoughts and make them start pulling the lever for (D)

Seriously, why are you anti FB? Sum it up in 15 words or less.

Zundfolge

11-25-2013, 15:18

What foolishness? Shall we have our rights taken away every time the dems are in office and only getting them back either going through a state wide petition process or waiting until the repubs control the state again? That sounds like insanity to me.

What is foolishness is refusing to support this amendment because of the inclusion of the "EXCEPT A LAW ENACTED BY A VOTE OF THE PEOPLE" language because even if its not included it still applies. If you remove that verbiage Democrats can STILL put together a state wide petition to get yet another constitutional amendment into the Colorado Constitution that reverses our mag ban reversal (this is why I think it's just too damn easy to amend the CO Constitution ... but that's another long and contentious argument).

Jer

11-25-2013, 15:22

What is foolishness is refusing to support this amendment because of the inclusion of the "EXCEPT A LAW ENACTED BY A VOTE OF THE PEOPLE" language because even if its not included it still applies. If you remove that verbiage Democrats can STILL put together a state wide petition to get yet another constitutional amendment into the Colorado Constitution that reverses our mag ban reversal (this is why I think it's just too damn easy to amend the CO Constitution ... but that's another long and contentious argument).

And the end result would be what... what he currently have? What's the risk?

fitz19d

11-25-2013, 15:24

To the ones against it, I'd rather take my chances on a publically elected law. It would have the same hurdles to even be put to the vote, then the vote itself. Far cry better than a small handful of politicians doing wtf they want. Right now it's outlawed. I'd rather have it back and then try to keep it safe than to just say oh well it's here to stay...

As far as referring to me and extra information on it. I'm not officially part of the group, I just ended up with a extra petition pack via a friend who is one. (And admits they fucked up not getting on here, esp. since he knew Dudley wasn't doing anything to help push it.)

I know some people knew about it w/ out facebook. Had 2-3 people at work who'd already signed and aren't COAR15 involved.

Zundfolge

11-25-2013, 15:29

Seriously, why are you anti FB? Sum it up in 15 words or less.
I don't have any desire to use Facebook. Period. So I don't want to be forced to sign up for a Facebook account to engage in NON-FACEBOOK activities (this is one reason I canceled my Gazette subscription too ... I don't want to use FB to comment there).

Aside from no desire to actually use FB itself, I refuse to sign up for any service that requires me (https://www.facebook.com/legal/terms) to use my real name. I don't want to be discriminated against professionally for my political and/or religious beliefs because as a professional Graphic Designer I have to work with a lot of people I disagree with (and yes, I have lost out on job opportunities because liberals will not hire you if they think you're a Republican, Christian, gun owner, not in lock-step with them).

Zundfolge

11-25-2013, 15:32

And the end result would be what... what he currently have? What's the risk?

I'm not sure I follow your question.

The reason given for including the language in red is that it will help get it passed I guess by seeming more moderate? ... if it were up to me the language wouldn't be there as its superfluous, but the fact remains that whether its there or not "except a law enacted by a vote of the people" is a real possibility and because they chose to include it I don't see that as a reason not to support the amendment.

Jer

11-25-2013, 15:32

I don't have any desire to use Facebook. Period. So I don't want to be forced to sign up for a Facebook account to engage in NON-FACEBOOK activities (this is one reason I canceled my Gazette subscription too ... I don't want to use FB to comment there).

Aside from no desire to actually use FB itself, I refuse to sign up for any service that requires me (https://www.facebook.com/legal/terms) to use my real name. I don't want to be discriminated against professionally for my political and/or religious beliefs because as a professional Graphic Designer I have to work with a lot of people I disagree with (and yes, I have lost out on job opportunities because liberals will not hire you if they think you're a Republican, Christian, gun owner, not in lock-step with them).

Conservatives do the EXACT same thing.

Jer

11-25-2013, 15:34

I'm not sure I follow your question.

The reason given for including the language in red is that it will help get it passed I guess by seeming more moderate? ... if it were up to me the language wouldn't be there as its superfluous, but the fact remains that whether its there or not "except a law enacted by a vote of the people" is a real possibility and because they chose to include it I don't see that as a reason not to support the amendment.
So you'd rather we just don't get our magazines or any of our other freedoms that were stripped away back? What is it that you personally are doing right now that is helping to get our freedoms back?

Holger Danske

11-25-2013, 15:43

Locations in Co Springs, from the wordpress link earlier in the thread

Front Range Cycle Shop

3005 Pennsylvania Ave
Colorado Springs, CO 80907
(719) 302-4579
frontrangecycleshop.com

Quality Auto Performance
1883 South Chelton Road
Colorado Springs, CO 80910
(719) 473-4500
amazingautosound.com

Specialty Sports and Supply
4285 E Fountain Blvd
Colorado Springs, CO 80916
(719) 391-2556
specialtysportsandsupply.com

Paradise Sales
605 W Colorado Ave
Colorado Springs, CO 80905
(719) 630-7070
paradisefirearms.com

Predator 4-WD
4260 North Nevada Avenue
Colorado Springs, CO 80907
(719) 528-5790
predator4wd.com

Whistling Pines Gun Club
1412 Woolsey Heights
Colorado Springs, CO 80915
(719) 597-3456
whistlingpinesgunclub.com

crays

11-25-2013, 15:45

Seriously, why are you anti FB? Sum it up in 15 words or less.

Their business model. Succint enough for you?

Zundfolge

11-25-2013, 15:49

So you'd rather we just don't get our magazines or any of our other freedoms that were stripped away back? What is it that you personally are doing right now that is helping to get our freedoms back?
I think you have this backward.

I'm arguing AGAINST people like Rabid that REFUSE TO SUPPORT the amendment because that language is in it ... I'm saying it doesn't matter and we should support the amendment anyway because even without that language the antis could put together a ballot initiate to reverse our reversal of the ban. That language included in the amendment DOES NOT CAUSE there to be an ability to reverse it by a vote of the people, it merely acknowledges the reality that it could happen. I believe it may have even been required by the state to be in there so as to not violate the rights of the people to amend the state constitution (dunno about that though).

Conservatives do the EXACT same thing.
Not against ME they don't :D but you are making the case why a liberal that works in a conservative dominated field might want to eschew Facebook as well.

Rabid

11-25-2013, 15:59

So you'd rather we just don't get our magazines or any of our other freedoms that were stripped away back? What is it that you personally are doing right now that is helping to get our freedoms back?
Not sure why you are attacking someone you agree with.

I see a pandoras box and do not want to open it. I never told anyone to not sign it but rather to think about it before they did. You already stated that the dems are hurting us by not thinking of ramifications so why should we follow the same logic. Not every option is the right option.

UrbanWolf

11-25-2013, 16:06

Course not. I see many here enjoying a good troll session on anti FB pages. I also see complaints about censorship on those same pages. They control the meesage on their sites, no way around that one.

I'm not talking about trolling them, I'm all for creating our own pro gun side of social media and get more people into the gun hobby.

rondog

11-25-2013, 16:14

Well, I went by Bowers anyway and also the gun shop in Parker, and both of them were closed. Bummer.

hatidua

11-25-2013, 16:28

Are we just giving up on social media and let the Liberals say whatever they like on there unchecked?

Yes, I am. I have phone numbers and email addresses for all of my 'friends' and I therefore have no use for Facebook. I signed up and tried it years ago, biggest waste of time aside from reality TV.

Zundfolge

11-25-2013, 16:43

Are we just giving up on social media and let the Liberals say whatever they like on there unchecked?
That makes as much sense as saying "Are we just giving up on Brussels Sprouts and let the vegetarians have them all?"

I DON'T FUCKING WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN FACEBOOK ... even if it was mostly conservative, I have plenty of other outlets for social media and I don't need that time wasting, poorly designed, mostly annoying outlet.

The point still stands though, that its a bad idea if you want to reach the largest number of people and especially conservatives (which the majority of gun owners are) by limiting yourself JUST to ZuckerFace ... that said, the ballot initiative folk DIDN'T DO THAT. They have a web site http://putittothepeople.wordpress.com/ and we've been talking about it here on this forum for months (maybe shoulda made it a stickie or something in retrospect).

Ridge

11-25-2013, 17:48

I have a feeling that we have been left out down here. Have not seen one and if I had one I know at least 30+ sigs I could get in an hour.

There are 8 signing locations in the Colorado Springs area.

http://putittothepeople.wordpress.com/signing-locations/

Ridge

11-25-2013, 17:49

Well, I went by Bowers anyway and also the gun shop in Parker, and both of them were closed. Bummer.

DCF Guns in Castle Rock has a petition in the center of their counter.

XC700116

11-25-2013, 17:55

Are we just giving up on social media and let the Liberals say whatever they like on there unchecked?

No, but that doesn't mean I'm going to provide them with my personal info and also provide them with more money via my traffic. You do know how FB makes money right?

ROFL at the 'obvious leanings' of people on Facebook. Listen you can label shit you've never even tried yourself all day long or you can listen to those who have actually USED it for years now. I have over 700 'friends' and I'm guessing maybe a few dozen aren't in line with my ideals. Heck, I can easily cite many instances where thanks to calm and well thought out posts I've even converted some that were against us before. It's a social outlet which means it's literally whatever YOU make of it. You don't like someone's viewpoint or post style? Unfriend them and move on with life. I don't understand how some people manage to get through life so afraid of technology and how it's going to take over their thoughts and make them start pulling the lever for (D).

Not the people ON facebook, the owners/CEO, ect OF Facebook, do a little research into Mark Zuckerburg. And For your info, I used facebook for a long time until I learned all sorts of interesting info on the owner/pres/CEO of Facebook, and then how they make money and who he donates money to. Using that site regularly is litterally giving our opponents money to fight us with. Do some learning on exactly what you're giving up to social media outlets, and how they make their money and you might see that it's not what YOU make of it, it's what they make off YOUR useage. Ever wonder how they manage to make money when every service they provide individuals is free?

Seriously, why are you anti FB? Sum it up in 15 words or less.

They take subscribers info, make money with it, then donate significant amounts to our oponents.

Ridge

11-25-2013, 18:01

They subscribers info and make money with it, then donate significant amounts to our oponents.

If a service is free, then you aren't the customer. You're the product.

XC700116

11-25-2013, 18:03

If a service is free, then you aren't the customer. You're the product.

BINGO!!!!!

SideShow Bob

11-25-2013, 18:06

I've been to several of the places listed for the Metro area in the last few months, never saw a petition or was it ever mentioned by the counter help. Go figure.......
I'll make sure I swing by one of the listed places and sign before Turkey day........

11-25-2013, 18:22

Seriously, why are you anti FB? Sum it up in 15 words or less.

Small derail: I'm not anti-FB, but I sure as hell are not pre-FB either. I see no compelling reason to be on it.

Anyway, thanks for the info folks, I'll get it signed tomorrow!

mcjhr

11-25-2013, 22:09

My mom makes me use FB.....i love her!

signing tomorrow!

Zundfolge

12-17-2013, 12:44

So any idea what ever happened with this? Did we get enough signatures? Did they turn them in?

Bueller?...Bueller?...Bueller?...Bueller?...

fitz19d

12-17-2013, 19:26

It was a hard fail. A lot of the gun stores failed to follow the instructions given which is also on the petitions regarding notarization etc. Near the end the guy I think heading it basically said no chance and requested on the FB page for anyone with the petitions to go ahead and burn/destroy lest those signatures etc go in some kind of database.

After this thread and realizing how bad they'd done w/ it I left a comment for them about way to fail on getting active online. Reach far more people...