View Full Version : Deer overpopulation in the Pinery
SamuraiCO
11-24-2013, 10:41
Reading the local Parker paper on Saturday the ongoing discussion of deer overpopulation in the Pinery came up again because a buck that had been hit by an arrow had to be euthenized. The locals are concerned about the deer getting into their yards and eating plants. Some residents even feed the deer adding to the problem. I live just north of the Pinery in a subdivision and had a nice 4 point just walk down the middle of our street as I was heading out to the grocery store yesterday morning.
They can't seem to get around the fact if they want them culled someone has to kill them. The guy at the bird seed store seemed to think they could dart the deer with a contraceptive and control the herd. I stated they should allow a draw for bow hunters or by application and let them cull one trophy bull but also cull some does every year. Residents could help fund by buying the meat or jerky from the deer, lucky bow hunter gets to keep the trophy buck. But they are too prissy and the deer will die off from starvation or disease. Out of site out of mind for those fools.
I had to put up extra fencing across my fence in my back yard to keep the deer out durikng the winter months. They would even bed down under my pine trees overnight after they ate all the safflower seeds from my bird feeders and whatever else they wanted to munch on. No amount of chasing them off with my dogs would keep them out. The fence has worked great even though it is against the HOA's but they can blow me if they will do nothing about it. They certainly would not condone me taking them with a bow in my yard.
Just thought it was funny how they struggle with such a problem when the solution is often the simplest.
We have the same problem east of Parker. I've called the DOW every year for the past four trying to get an understanding of how they plan on addressing the issue or if they plan on letting disease lay waste to the herds. I have seen some of the largest mulie bucks in my life in the past couple of years, one in particular off Delbert road that my brother and I have name the 'elk-deer' due to his massive rack. In fact, my wife hit a buck on Delbert road just the other night, I can't wait to see the repair bill on her plastic Honda Pilot.
The DOW did give some special permit tags on a tree farm out here a couple of years ago - rifle tags on less than 60 acres. I was given a tag but I couldn't make a shot I felt was safe. Archery tags would be great, there are plenty of areas out of sight of homes where deer could easily and humanly be harvested to help thin the herds and ultimately keep them healthier. Hopefully someone is listening over there.
jplove71
11-24-2013, 11:26
Or... They can stop killing wolves which are the natural predators to deer, elk, etc...
According to the Dow there are no wolves in colorado. Also having kids I think I rather deal with the over population of deer than wolves, as deer don't eat children. The problem is Douglas county my friend lives across the road from the boundary of D.C. In Elizabeth and is able to take 2 or 3 doe every year even though he is on a small property.
spqrzilla
11-24-2013, 12:31
Yeah ... a pack of wolves running through Parker. That's the solution. [facepalm]
I may be wrong, but I've been told that if your property isn't in the city limits, you have a proper deer license, and you can make the shot without the bullet leaving your property, then you can shoot one. I know a guy out there that takes a deer every year from his deck. Last time he was in his bathrobe drinking coffee, and had to go put his orange vest on over his robe before he shot. Said he's counted as many as 44 mulies at one time in his yard. He has 5 acres.
Delfuego
11-24-2013, 13:02
Deer have become a real nuisance species in the Pinery. They are over-populated, eat everything in sight (flowers, tree, shrubs, whatever) and have started to develop disease. There have also recently been large cats sighted in the area, likely looking to prey on them. My family's little doggy (terrier) went head to head with a bull elk in the back yard and lost miserably (costly vet bill). Something needs to be done, not sure what, but it is out of control.
Deer have become a real nuisance species in many Colorado suburbs
FIFY
Or... They can stop killing wolves which are the natural predators to deer, elk, etc...
-pinstriped unicorns riding blue whales in Arizona are significantly more common than wolves in Colorado.
Its an underpopulated area for rednecks and hillbillies not overpopulated with deer
According to the Dow there are no wolves in colorado. Also having kids I think I rather deal with the over population of deer than wolves, as deer don't eat children. The problem is Douglas county my friend lives across the road from the boundary of D.C. In Elizabeth and is able to take 2 or 3 doe every year even though he is on a small property.
I was just over on the wolf forums and they are complaining about the need to cull the overwhelming people population.
lpgasman
11-24-2013, 14:26
[LOL]
I was just over on the wolf forums and they are complaining about the need to cull the overwhelming people population.
The Pinery Homeowners Association board of directors recently developed a policy on deer that will be included in the November newsletter. In it, the board acknowledges the conflicts, including vehicle accidents, landscape damage and injuries to pets, but takes a strong stand against all proposed methods to reduce the deer population, from hunting to relocation to contraception. Fry and other homeowners are hoping wildlife officials can provide guidance. “People are expecting the CPW to do something, whatever they decide to do,” he said.
Stupid handwringing bunnyhuggers. "The government has to do SOMETHING, but don't kill them, or relocate them, or prevent them from having babies!" Ever seen a TV show called Chasing Tails?
I was just over on the wolf forums and they are complaining about the need to cull the overwhelming people population.
- that's good! [ROFL2]
Or... They can stop killing wolves which are the natural predators to deer, elk, etc...
I hope you weren't being serious.
My suppressor will be ready for next season, now I just need to find a blaze orange bath robe.
I just need to find a blaze orange bath robe.
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Yeah stop killing them here in CO,, DUH..
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KestrelBike
11-24-2013, 19:25
The DOW did give some special permit tags on a tree farm out here a couple of years ago - rifle tags on less than 60 acres. I was given a tag but I couldn't make a shot I felt was safe. Archery tags would be great, there are plenty of areas out of sight of homes where deer could easily and humanly be harvested to help thin the herds and ultimately keep them healthier. Hopefully someone is listening over there.
Kudos on not taking an un-safe shot!!
We had one fall in a freshly backfilled full basement foundation in Castle Rock about 7 years ago, I'm guessing it was at night. The framers found it early the next morning and rec'd permission from the DOW to claim it. It was still alive but had snagged an anchor bolt going in and was in bad shape. The deer was able to get out of the foundation (with the help of these guys) and was taken down soon after.
Left a mess in the basement and it was a good story for the buyers.
DSB OUTDOORS
11-24-2013, 21:06
I'll volunteer for a Deer tag or two or three. I'll get the bow out and help out those poor overpopulated deer burdened folks down there. Ummmmm grass fed and flower fed Venison!!! [Coffee]
The Pinery Homeowners Association board of directors recently developed a policy on deer that will be included in the November newsletter. In it, the board acknowledges the conflicts, including vehicle accidents, landscape damage and injuries to pets, but takes a strong stand against all proposed methods to reduce the deer population, from hunting to relocation to contraception. Fry and other homeowners are hoping wildlife officials can provide guidance. “People are expecting the CPW to do something, whatever they decide to do,” he said.
I will purchase all the condoms the Pinery Homeowners Association wants if they let me know when they are going to put them on those bucks in rut.
jplove71
11-24-2013, 22:06
According to the Dow there are no wolves in colorado. Also having kids I think I rather deal with the over population of deer than wolves, as deer don't eat children. The problem is Douglas county my friend lives across the road from the boundary of D.C. In Elizabeth and is able to take 2 or 3 doe every year even though he is on a small property.You're correct about no wolves being in Colorado seeing as how they were killed off in the 1930's (source (http://wildlife.state.co.us/WildlifeSpecies/SpeciesOfConcern/Mammals/Pages/GrayWolf.aspx)) Colorado is part of their historical native habitat. For the Colorado DOW to keep them out of the state is not proper wildlife management.
Number of reported wildlife-vehicle incidents in Colorado per year alone? The average is 3500+ (source (http://www.coloradodot.info/programs/environmental/wildlife/wildlifeonthemove/data-and-charts/WA%20Average%20-2003-2012.pdf/view)).
In the last 100 years, how many fatal attacks on humans have there been that were caused by wolves? Nowhere near as many (source (http://www.aws.vcn.com/wolf_attacks_on_humans.html)).
So the state of Colorado only gives out free condoms if you have two legs and feet but refuses if you have four legs and hooves?
That's racist! Or Speciest!
Having friends and family in Idaho Wyoming and Montana where wolves have been reintroduced the results have been disastrous maybe not to human life but to their livelihood. The elk herds have also been decimated. There was a good reason ranchers and others got rid of wolves in colorado they don't just kill to eat they just kill.
Having friends and family in Idaho Wyoming and Montana where wolves have been reintroduced the results have been disastrous maybe not to human life but to their livelihood. The elk herds have also been decimated. There was a good reason ranchers and others got rid of wolves in colorado they don't just kill to eat they just kill.
I have heard a different story from the people i know in Idaho and Montana over the past 6 or so years. Maybe its just different parts of the state and things have to balance out.
As for the Pinery and the rest of the Black Forrest its not a deer overpopulation problem its a human overpopulation problem. They want to live the white picket fence life but get upset because the deer eat their gardens and flowers. They think the lines on the roads should should also apply to the deer. Well there were a bunch of deer in the area before the housing boom and now the deer are still there amongst the houses. The people in the Timbers, when it was build, had a coyote problem and were upset about the coyotes eating their outdoors cats and small dogs. Well the biggest coyotes i have ever seen in my life have disappeared. Well again years later the people of the timbers had a deer poaching problem that made national news and many arrests were made and there was a few year low in deer populations but now they back. I say fuck the people in the Timbers and many of the new Denverites that found their way in to the Pinery, its nature and will find its own way to balance out. Last i heard you could still draw a tad there too. [rant-off]
jplove71
11-25-2013, 11:08
There was a good reason ranchers and others got rid of wolves in colorado they don't just kill to eat they just kill.Is this a fact or just your opinion? If it's fact, please back it up with some links to research validating that claim. If it's just your opinion, which you're entitled to, it only shows how little you know about wolves.
Is this a fact or just your opinion? If it's fact, please back it up with some links to research validating that claim. If it's just your opinion, which you're entitled to, it only shows how little you know about wolves.
jplove71-
It seems you have some knowledge of wolves and I suggest you share your knowledge with our members You poke at many of the members posts about wolves so please share some facts so we can all learn.
jplove71
11-25-2013, 12:22
jplove71-
It seems you have some knowledge of wolves and I suggest you share your knowledge with our members You poke at many of the members posts about wolves so please share some facts so we can all learn.
I simply did a search for wolf habits and everything I found all said the same thing. Wolves only kill to eat.
Source example - Wolf Country (http://www.wolfcountry.net/information/WolfHunting.html)
Is this a fact or just your opinion? If it's fact, please back it up with some links to research validating that claim. If it's just your opinion, which you're entitled to, it only shows how little you know about wolves.
Wolves are one of the only species that kill for fun. Watch national geographic or discovery or anything concerning wolves and Yellowstone and you will see this info. If you are a wolf expert you should know this. So who is ignorant now?
I will add, since you don't even understand that wolves are not even IN Colorado, you can't be taken seriously as to any knowledge about wolves at all. You have made everyone on this board a little dumber, I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.
jplove71
11-25-2013, 13:20
Wolves are one of the only species that kill for fun. Watch national geographic or discovery or anything concerning wolves and Yellowstone and you will see this info. If you are a wolf expert you should know this. So who is ignorant now?
I never stated or claimed that i was an expert on wolves. That is your assumption.
I will add, since you don't even understand that wolves are not even IN Colorado, you can't be taken seriously as to any knowledge about wolves at all. You have made everyone on this board a little dumber, I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.
Did you even read my posts and the information that I linked to or are you simply trolling? My guess is the latter.
sheez, a quick search and I found a story showing that wolves do indeed kill more than they can eat.
http://www.ktvb.com/news/Wolves-kill-176-sheep-near-Victor-greatest-loss-recorded-in-Idaho-220371911.html
Let me guess, the wolves planned on coming back and eating all of these sheep eventually, right? Surely, they didn't kill them "just because"!
A quick search on elk numbers where the wolves are currently, such as Idaho and MT. will show thier numbers on a major decline. It's not hard to put two and two together and figure out that wolves are the primary reason for the declines. last thing we need here in Colo.
By the way, been at least a couple of wolves killed here in Colo. And been a few other confirmed sightings. One or two is fine, let's leave it at that.
Delfuego
11-25-2013, 13:33
Deer in the Pinery turns into this???? Nice thread drift jag-offs... [Bang]
I like deer in the freezer, and then on my plate.
I never stated or claimed that i was an expert on wolves. That is your assumption.
Did you even read my posts and the information that I linked to or are you simply trolling? My guess is the latter.
Like I said, you are ignorant. You don't know wolves don't exist in Colorado. They don't have a sustained population. You obviouslyy believe wolves are the answer to deer overpopulation in a semi-rural area of Colorado. One that I can only assume you know nothing about if you have no clue wolves don't populate the state, let alone that area of the front range.
Google searches show News reports of wolves killing for fun, documentaries on television have shown that wolves kill for the thrill. A few bogus anti-hunting and pro wolf sites all of a sudden become fact because they say wolves don't kill for fun? Those are the same people who don't know where wolves have an actual population = ignorant = YOU.
Deer in the Pinery turns into this???? Nice thread drift jag-offs... [Bang]
Do you expect anything else when pure ignorance enters ANY thread?
brianakell
11-25-2013, 16:01
Wow. What a trainwreck.
As for wolves, there are wolves in Colorado. Many people from DOW will admit it. They will also say there are no established packs, just loners. I know what I saw, daylight, and within 100 feet. There is at least on wolf in colorado as of a few years ago.
husky390
11-25-2013, 16:53
Yet the same people who do not want the deer hunted freak out when a mountain lion shows up in the neighborhood. Well, duh. Some of the people in this state make my head hurt.
Guys can we please cool it in here? I'm working on writing up Amendment 29 chalk full of wildlife bans. I'll solve this issue from every angle possible...
There's NO mountain lions in CO, just large stray cats.
I seen one of dem stray cats once! I think Bailey has too
Guys can we please cool it in here? I'm working on writing up Amendment 29 chalk full of wildlife bans. I'll solve this issue from every angle possible...
Richard Cabeza will sign it!
buckshotbarlow
11-25-2013, 22:25
me wolf, me hunt hairy beaver
husky390
11-25-2013, 23:13
Richard Cabeza will sign it!
LMAO! [ROFL2]
SamuraiCO
11-26-2013, 07:54
We have the same problem east of Parker. I've called the DOW every year for the past four trying to get an understanding of how they plan on addressing the issue or if they plan on letting disease lay waste to the herds. I have seen some of the largest mulie bucks in my life in the past couple of years, one in particular off Delbert road that my brother and I have name the 'elk-deer' due to his massive rack. In fact, my wife hit a buck on Delbert road just the other night, I can't wait to see the repair bill on her plastic Honda Pilot.
The DOW did give some special permit tags on a tree farm out here a couple of years ago - rifle tags on less than 60 acres. I was given a tag but I couldn't make a shot I felt was safe. Archery tags would be great, there are plenty of areas out of sight of homes where deer could easily and humanly be harvested to help thin the herds and ultimately keep them healthier. Hopefully someone is listening over there.
The past few years I see 5-6 big bucks together right before rut. They hang out on Pine/Inspiration lane or I see them as I cut through Rocking Horse to Inspiration coming home from work at night. I call them the "Bachelors". I see 5-10 deer hit alone Inspiration every year...one of them was me but I was not going fast enough to hurt the big buck and it left a good size dent in my truck front bumper. This happened during the last bad hail storm in the spring and I was coming down Inspiration where the road turns and becomes Pine lane. I could not see the buck because it was so dark out and my A piller blocked my side view just as I went around the curve. Lucky for that buck and he just bounced off. I looked for it after it happened and looked for magpies the next few days feeding on a dead deer but saw nothing.
SamuraiCO
11-26-2013, 08:06
The poor folks in the Pinery and the Timbers can still have the friendly deer in the area. Their solution to do nothing is typical political folly, let someone else figure it out instead of lead with a solution. The only obvious solution is to cull the herd so the local vegitation can support the herd and keep it healthy, death by car does not seem to keep the population in check. Same way one would manage if they had larger property or same way our DOW tries to manage deer and elk here in the state. I just found it ironic thier lack of conviction with what needs to be done and the solution is so easy....or they can just put up with the deer eating all their landscape, bringing in weeds to their lawns when they poop and coexist with nature.
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