View Full Version : Another dumb business not to shop at: Sprouts
ghettodub
11-25-2013, 16:34
I do, or used to do, a ton of my shopping at Sprouts. Well, the one just down the street from me now has "No Firearms Allowed" posted, so there's another business to cross off the list.
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I sent them an email, and figured I'd share my response. I really don't understand how these people don't get it... I do respect their right to make this decision, but I won't support them...
Good afternoon,
Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts about our decision to prohibit firearms in our stores. Please understand that we recognize and respect our customers’ rights under the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, a right that prohibits the government (but not private retailers) from infringing on citizens’ right to bear arms. That right, however, must be balanced with our need as a retailer to provide a safe and comfortable environment for our customers and team members. That's why, after careful and thoughtful analysis, we have decided to prohibit our customers and our team members from bringing firearms onto our store premises. While this decision may disappoint some of our valued customers, such as yourself, we stand by our decision and have received overwhelmingly positive feedback from our communities about it.
We hope that you will continue to be a part of the Sprouts family notwithstanding our decision on this issue. We value your patronage and hope to see you again soon.
Thank you
jhirsh5280
11-25-2013, 16:42
after careful and thoughtful analysis
Wonder if they'd care to elaborate on their "analysis"
BREATHER
11-25-2013, 16:42
What they don't fucking know won't hurt you...
They don't have a clue what I bring in.....
"we know liberals shop at our store, we know liberals have an irrational fear of guns, we know liberals dont mind being victims of crime, therefore we will ban good people from carrying guns on our premises"
I think the OP should reply with precisely that, to the rep who wrote him back...
Don't support a company that thinks like this. Even the concealed means concealed arguments. Why give money to companies that support these ideas?
Does Sprouts have a presence on Facebook? If so, you can get a ball rolling on there in no time. Just call them out on it on a few large pro-2A groups and let the internet masses do what they do.
Zundfolge
11-25-2013, 16:54
Concealed is concealed.
What they don't fucking know won't hurt you...
Good points all around, however some of us see these no gun signs as a sign of political bigotry and don't want to support such bigots financially.
Wonder if they'd care to elaborate on their "analysis"
Analysis
Anal ... having to do with the anus .
Ysis ... a variation of Isis ... the mother of the ancient Egyptian God Horus, her name means "throne".
In other words their position is nothing more than [pileoshit]
(what you get out the anus when sitting on the throne)
I absolutely understand that concealed means concealed, I carry anywhere and everywhere without metal detectors. The point is the next dirt bag that does exactly what all the other lowlifes have done, they see that sign and think "Good another place I can go on a shooting spree without resistance". That is the reason that that I won't let my family go anywhere that has posted a "prohibition on self defense". Sadly most honest gun owners feel compelled to follow those stupid store rules and will be defenseless when those who follow no rules show up to wreak havoc.
<MADDOG>
11-25-2013, 17:01
Good points all around, however some of us see these no gun signs as a sign of political bigotry and don't want to support such bigots financially.
I concur 100%.
Why support/patronize an establishment that publicly announces it doesn't support you?
ChunkyMonkey
11-25-2013, 17:05
Does Sprouts have a presence on Facebook? If so, you can get a ball rolling on there in no time. Just call them out on it on a few large pro-2A groups and let the internet masses do what they do.
I go to the county line location all the time.. I am going to ask for the manager to post armed security guards to ensure my safety if I wasn't allow to protect myself. :)
Jesus-With-A-.45
11-25-2013, 17:11
They can go fuck themselves, I shop at Walmart.
ghettodub
11-25-2013, 17:54
Good points all around, however some of us see these no gun signs as a sign of political bigotry and don't want to support such bigots financially.
Yep, my point exactly.
Never been in one, now I most certainly will never.
Outside of Starbucks, I don't frequent hipster doofus establishments anyway. I do make that one exception for my irrational caffeine addiction.
I go to the county line location all the time.. I am going to ask for the manager to post armed security guards to ensure my safety if I wasn't allow to protect myself. :)
I like this idea. They should have enough $$$ for private armed security with the prices they charge. Seriously, I'd like see their response.
They can go fuck themselves, I shop at Walmart.
That's not a very nice way to talk Jesus....
I like this idea. They should have enough $$$ for private armed security with the prices they charge. Seriously, I'd like see their response.
Their response would be that they don't want to alarm their customers by feeling that they need to have armed security. Everyone should feel safe at Sprouts and and if we promote a safe environment then why would need security guards with guns?
buckshotbarlow
11-25-2013, 19:19
Never shopped there, and after this....NEVER WILL. I do everything I can to not support these companies. It's hard, but someone's gota do it...Good job on the email though.
I've looked at the Sprouts I've been in and there haven't been any signs. So maybe they local guys have some control of which stores get posted.
I've looked at the Sprouts I've been in and there haven't been any signs. So maybe they local guys have some control of which stores get posted.
I've not seen a sign on the one here in Boulder. Probably because there aren't any guns owned by people in Boulder in the first place...
How much of the "no guns allowed" signs is driven by insurance liability?
If a crazed gunman doesn't follow the rules and goes on a shooting spree, the store/insurance provider can just say "we have a no gun policy". All liability is absolved.
ChunkyMonkey
11-25-2013, 20:43
How much of the "no guns allowed" signs is driven by insurance liability?
If a crazed gunman doesn't follow the rules and goes on a shooting spree, the store/insurance provider can just say "we have a no gun policy". All liability is absolved.
On mine, it affects employees.. not patrons
why does everyone go on tantrums about this kind of stuff? is your concealed firearm concealed or not? if its concealed, then who knows you have it? if they somehow catch you with it, no big deal, you didn't see the sign. the worst they can do is ask you to leave. big freaking deal. the sign is mostly insurance liability. by posting it, they can stop some knucklehead from waltzing around with a rifle over his shoulder or his pistol open on his hip, which makes people uncomfortable. good lord, sometimes people on this board confuse me. they lament how sensitive the liberals are and then they go and get over sensitive about any little thing that has to do with guns.
Jesus brought up Walmart. I only shop there, never target. Its cheaper and Walmart sells guns and ammo. I support the people that support me.
How much of the "no guns allowed" signs is driven by insurance liability?
If a crazed gunman doesn't follow the rules and goes on a shooting spree, the store/insurance provider can just say "we have a no gun policy". All liability is absolved.
I always wondered about this, these places that have these signs, can't the victims of a mass shooting sue the owner that prevented them from protecting themselves and didn't provide adequate security? I believe the theater company that owned the Aurora one is being sued big time right?
ZERO THEORY
11-25-2013, 21:30
Given my stance on being a douche by violating the Terms of Agreement in the Costco thread, as well as agreeing that there's little motivation to support a business that clearly doesn't support me, I say fuck 'em.
However, soon enough CO will be just like AZ. If they can't actually ban guns, they'll just plaster signs everywhere that's private property. At that point, concealed is indeed concealed, especially given that all they can do is ask you to leave in the event that they somehow see you carrying.
Choices Choices and Choices.
there are at least 3 or more large organic grocery stores out there.
I am glad that I have choice not to shop there.
You have to ask yourself what the business did wrong. Also, a business needs to make an effort to make sure that patrons are safe from certain things (lights not hanging from the ceiling, no puddles of fluids that can be cleaned up, salt the ice on the property, etc) that are foreseable and preventable. Does a business have a liability to protect patrons from an airplane crashing through the roof and killing everyone? No, that is an unforeseable event and wouldn't not be realistic to guard against. I don't think the signs have anything to do with insurance liabilty personally.
Just because you have a sign, doesn't really absolve anyone from liability, if liability exists. For example, let's say a semi-truck has a sign that says, "CAUTION, stay back 500 feet to prevent from flying debris." If you are riding ass and take a rock to the windshield, they'll blow you off. If you are behind the truck and 200 feet of chain is wiping around on the road and cracks your windshield, there will be liability regardless of the presence of a sign.
Tinelement
11-25-2013, 21:58
So here is thought...
If everytime, we as gun owners boycott an establishment that says "no guns", aren't we just giving in??
I get what the op is saying, but I carry where I want, when I want. I actually enjoy the challenge.
Just something to think about.
One of the only good things rmgo has going is a boycott page. They will give you business cards that you can hand to the manager on duty that you are adding their establishment to the list. Now only if that list was widely published and adhered to.
sent from a soup can and some string..
Jesus-With-A-.45
11-25-2013, 22:10
That's not a very nice way to talk Jesus....
My father taught me to dislike stupidity.
My point is it makes me mad when they post the "no guns" sign it invites the crazies to show up. Putting up a no guns sign at the Aurora theater really worked well to keep everybody safe inside. It has nothing to do with concealed carry. It is about using a sign to create a "Gun Spree Zone" that bothers me. We all should be concerned because every time a liberal sets up a "Gun Spree Zone" and shooting occurs we loose another piece of the 2nd amendment.
My point is it makes me mad when they post the "no guns" sign it invites the crazies to show up. Putting up a no guns sign at the Aurora theater really worked well to keep everybody safe inside. It has nothing to do with concealed carry. It is about using a sign to create a "Gun Spree Zone" that bothers me. We all should be concerned because every time a liberal sets up a "Gun Spree Zone" and shooting occurs we loose another piece of the 2nd amendment.
I really don't think that any crazy people target places displaying "No firearms" signs. They are targeting "target rich" environments, which happen to be the same.
A gun show would be a target rich environment for a gun spree then
newracer
11-26-2013, 00:29
I really don't think that any crazy people target places displaying "No firearms" signs. They are targeting "target rich" environments, which happen to be the same.
It is speculated that the Aurora theater shooter did just that. There were theaters closer to his home that allowed firearms.
KevDen2005
11-26-2013, 00:52
Analysis
Anal ... having to do with the anus .
Giggity
A gun show would be a target rich environment for a gun spree then
A victim rich environment.
It is speculated that the Aurora theater shooter did just that. There were theaters closer to his home that allowed firearms.
It might be possible, but I really doubt it.
A gun show would be a target rich environment for a gun spree then
Dont be naive. There are dozens, if not hundreds, of armed people at the gun show... I see vendors with them on their hip, open-carrying, and I assure you there are a lot of visitors who don't pay an ounce of attention to the sign on the door, just like folks don't care about the sign at Sprouts.
I used to shop at the commisary on base for 90% of my groceries. But after getting my CC and doing a bit of soul searching I choose to not go on base due to the fact that the Federal Govt has chosen to disenfranchise myself and every other U.S. citizen from exercising our natural right to self defense on "theyre property" The only place I dont carry is when flying which is rare anyway less than a trip a year.
Sent from my PRC 117A in my Batmobile disguised as a sedan.
wctriumph
11-26-2013, 11:29
We have rarely shopped at Sprouts and after this, we will not go there again.
TEA
III
funkymonkey1111
11-26-2013, 11:34
I'm no grammar nazi, but what does "theyre property" mean? Do you mean "their property," or is there some sort of sovereign citizen usage of "theyre" I'm missing?
I used to shop at the commisary on base for 90% of my groceries. But after getting my CC and doing a bit of soul searching I choose to not go on base due to the fact that the Federal Govt has chosen to disenfranchise myself and every other U.S. citizen from exercising our natural right to self defense on "theyre property" The only place I dont carry is when flying which is rare anyway less than a trip a year.
Sent from my PRC 117A in my Batmobile disguised as a sedan.
Put up all the signs you want... They don't mean shit
Sent by a free-range electronic weasel, with no sense of personal space.
lowbeyond
11-26-2013, 14:02
Dont be naive. There are dozens, if not hundreds, of armed people at the gun show... I see vendors with them on their hip, open-carrying, and I assure you there are a lot of visitors who don't pay an ounce of attention to the sign on the door, just like folks don't care about the sign at Sprouts.
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Rucker61
11-26-2013, 16:52
Jesus brought up Walmart. I only shop there, never target. Its cheaper and Walmart sells guns and ammo. I support the people that support me.
yeah, but college girls shop Target.
Zundfolge
11-26-2013, 16:53
yeah, but college girls shop Target.
As a middle aged married guy ... this is yet another reason to shop at Walmart. :p
ChunkyMonkey
11-26-2013, 17:27
yeah, but college girls shop Target.
Justin simply prefers people of Walmart!
lowbeyond
11-26-2013, 17:37
i guess i shouldn't say other places where i may have carried... hahahah
johngraves2
11-26-2013, 18:31
I've not seen a sign on the one here in Boulder. Probably because there aren't any guns owned by people in Boulder in the first place...
Nope none to be found here that i know of.......
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