DOJ memo on gun confiscation has been verified & confirmed

[sellersm]

There have been some discussions about this previously, with some slight tangents on the focus of the memo, but now the NRA and others have verified that the DOJ memo is legit and the 'plan' has always been for gun confiscation. "They" admit that there's no other way for 'gun control' to "work":

http://bearingarms.com/yes-an-obama-doj-memo-says-ban-will-not-work-without-registration/

http://www.examiner.com/article/doj-internal-memo-confirms-obama-plan-for-gun-confiscation

Snippet:

The DOJ memo (downloadable here as a PDF (http://static.infowars.com/2013/02/i/general/nij-gun-policy-memo.pdf)) states the administration “believes that a gun ban will not work without mandatory gun confiscation,” according to the NRA, and thinks universal background checks “won’t work without requiring national gun registration.” Obama has yet to publicly support national registration or firearms confiscation, although the memo reveals his administration is moving in that direction.

[MarkCO]

So now we know that the people who want to crap on the Constitution and take our guns, want to crap on the Constitution and take our guns? I tend to look at actions, not words, and no DOJ memo will tell me what they really want to do, or not do. It is actions, not words, that define beliefs. Unfortunately, that is another fundamental lost on most Americans.

[sellersm]

So now we know that the people who want to crap on the Constitution and take our guns, want to crap on the Constitution and take our guns? I tend to look at actions, not words, and no DOJ memo will tell me what they really want to do, or not do. It is actions, not words, that define beliefs. Unfortunately, that is another fundamental lost on most Americans.

^Well said. We must ALWAYS see what they DO, not what they (appear to) say...

[kidicarus13]

I think it's great to see the opposing teams playbook instead of guessing what it may read.

[asmo]

I am having a hard time believing this memo as legit (don't confuse what I am saying - I believe the concept and intent is gospel) but it doesn't follow any standard NIJ/DOJ memo format and he switches back and forth between 'clip' and 'magazine' multiple times in the same paragraph. If the goverment is anything, they are pedantic about things that 'go to press'.

[merl]

I think it's great to see the opposing teams playbook instead of guessing what it may read.

Yep, even if it just confirms what we believed.

[BPTactical]

And the clock on the wall says.......

[Hound]

Interesting read. It also shows where some of our new laws came from.

[Mtn.man]

And the clock on the wall says.......


Revolution Time..

[merl]

I am having a hard time believing this memo as legit (don't confuse what I am saying - I believe the concept and intent is gospel) but it doesn't follow any standard NIJ/DOJ memo format and he switches back and forth between 'clip' and 'magazine' multiple times in the same paragraph. If the goverment is anything, they are pedantic about things that 'go to press'.

I don't see any actual confirmation in the articles. The one last spring was linked from NRA, I have a little more trust in them than infowars and was willing to accept it.

The person listed as the author has a history of published documents dating back many years with the DOJ. This document is not available on the DOJ site though and until it is (or released through a FOIA) it is not confirmed.

[brutal]

And the clock on the wall says.......

?


http://youtu.be/jofNR_WkoCE

[Zundfolge]

On the one hand it's nice to have it all in writing so you can smack down those "Nobody want's to take your gun" idiots, but on the other hand this is kind of a "well duh" moment for those of us who have said complete gun confiscation has been the goal if these bastards since before 1934.

[Wulf202]

Reading it shows that's it's not Exactly intent to. It says gun control is a waste without. more of a written map of known facts with assumed goals

[Ronin13]

Everyone who has a latent or lingering fear that one day this may happen, just know one big detail that most overlook: who would be enforcing this? More than likely, just because of sheer numbers involved, it would be local (state, city and county) law enforcement. I'll say this much, not gonna happen anytime soon. Most LE won't even consider this option viable- it's basically a suicide mission. And before people get into the whole "If they wanna keep their jobs" or "they'll do their jobs, money is a bigger motivator" etc. etc. ad nauseum, there are so many in District Attorney's offices who preach the importance to adhere to the Constitution above all else- especially when speaking with sworn officers- that there is no way anyone in the justice system would stand for anything that is such a blatant violation of the Constitution. Every cop I've talked to, prior to and during the academy, has said that they'll hang up their holster and badge before trampling the Constitution... but more likely is a huge push back against those who would even try this crap. Rest easy- not going to happen anytime soon, especially on my watch.

[Dave]

I think DOJ and local LEO's who come to confiscate or register guns would face Admiral Yamamoto's dilema about invading mainland U.S.

[Wulf202]

I think DOJ and local LEO's who come to confiscate or register guns would face Admiral Yamamoto's dilema about invading mainland U.S.

yea. the article Howe wrote elaborates the details a bit but youve got the punchline

[Justin]

I don't think DHS would have the same qualms as the average cop or soldier.

Nor would TSA.

That said, I don't think an outright confiscation order is in the cards any time soon.

[sellersm]

Everyone who has a latent or lingering fear that one day this may happen, just know one big detail that most overlook: who would be enforcing this? More than likely, just because of sheer numbers involved, it would be local (state, city and county) law enforcement. I'll say this much, not gonna happen anytime soon. Most LE won't even consider this option viable- it's basically a suicide mission. And before people get into the whole "If they wanna keep their jobs" or "they'll do their jobs, money is a bigger motivator" etc. etc. ad nauseum, there are so many in District Attorney's offices who preach the importance to adhere to the Constitution above all else- especially when speaking with sworn officers- that there is no way anyone in the justice system would stand for anything that is such a blatant violation of the Constitution. Every cop I've talked to, prior to and during the academy, has said that they'll hang up their holster and badge before trampling the Constitution... but more likely is a huge push back against those who would even try this crap. Rest easy- not going to happen anytime soon, especially on my watch.

While I agree with what you said, I propose that what you've presented isn't the only option in carrying out such a confiscation plan. When considering how such a thing like this could occur, one must not be 'stuck' in the confines of the 'here and now'... I believe that the conditions for such an event will be much, much different than exists today, and the players will be very different with different emblems, nationalities and dialects.

[Ronin13]

they will confiscate guns whenever they want and I bet 90-95% of American gun owners give them up quietly. American gun owners are LAW ABIDING people who have lived comfortable lives. They arent ready to live like afghans and give their lives.

sorry, but its what I believe to be true.
There won't be any mass confiscation effort where "they" (again, who really would "they" be?) will go door to door. That won't work here, that would just incite massive resistance. Instead, they're going to continue along the path they have been for the last, what? 80-something years... Bit by bit, little by little, incremental destruction of the 2nd Amendment. Eventually, if they are not met with resistance (meaning we don't lobby and pressure our law makers to not allow another inch- if possible) they will achieve passing enough legislation to overall outlaw in the same regard as Aus and UK. But there will be no massive roundup where "they" come to your house to collect your guns.

I also think there will be a tipping point where either some legislator or supreme court justice will say "woah, this is infringing upon the Constitutional rights of the people, it cannot be allowed." Or we'll decide we've had enough and push back- legally of course.

[sellersm]

For anyone interested, the Hagmann & Hagmann report tonight will have two guests on tonight discussing this very topic. Their show is on blogtalkradio.com (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/cfp-radio)

[davsel]

How many "officials" did it take to lock down ALL of Boston, searching for the bombers?
How many homes were entered and searched?
How many home owners resisted?

It will be too easy.

[Great-Kazoo]

There is no need to "Justify" anything when it comes to any form of confiscation. They used ICC verbiage for the alleged Colombian "cartel" member . Not massive amounts of ill gotten gains, interstate transportation of a schedule 1 substance. Nope, it was for possession of firearms mfg outside the State of CO.

Cartel and terrorist one week. Gun Owners with Links to Militia's the next.

[Ronin13]

and wait till they "SHOCK AND AWE" your ass with their new MRAPS and UpArmored Hmmwv.

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2013/11/25/spoils-war-police-getting-leftover-iraq-trucks/?intcmp=features

read how the cops talk. we need mraps to do our job. when have cops ever encountered the need for mraps? im sure there a very very small minute amount of times. not so they can have a dick measuring contest and intimidate the citizenry.

and they dont have to confiscate guns anyway. they can eliminate ammo and components. you will have no way to use the gun for more than a club or lamp stand.
This makes a lot of sense- in the wake of events like N. Hollywood and Columbine (patrol officers vs better armed suspects) I understand the need for most (if not all) squad cars armed with a patrol rifle/carbine... but when agencies start talking about the need for heavily armored APCs, that's a bit of a stretch. There's a difference between practicality and just plain ego stroking.

[BPTactical]

Look how quickly it was done in Australia and Great Britain.
And we have a nation of wimps and sally's that will happily do it for that $50.00 Walmart card.

One thing you miss Ronin, with the signature on the UN SAT domestic LE will not have to do it.
The unconstitutional prick in office will open the door for them, legal or not.

[Great-Kazoo]

Look how quickly it was done in Australia and Great Britain.
And we have a nation of wimps and sally's that will happily do it for that $50.00 Walmart card.

One thing you miss Ronin, with the signature on the UN SAT domestic LE will not have to do it.
The unconstitutional prick in office will open the door for them, legal or not.


What TAG for blue meanies?

[lowbeyond]

Everyone who has a latent or lingering fear that one day this may happen, just know one big detail that most overlook: who would be enforcing this? More than likely, just because of sheer numbers involved, it would be local (state, city and county) law enforcement. I'll say this much, not gonna happen anytime soon. Most LE won't even consider this option viable- it's basically a suicide mission. And before people get into the whole "If they wanna keep their jobs" or "they'll do their jobs, money is a bigger motivator" etc. etc. ad nauseum, there are so many in District Attorney's offices who preach the importance to adhere to the Constitution above all else- especially when speaking with sworn officers- that there is no way anyone in the justice system would stand for anything that is such a blatant violation of the Constitution. Every cop I've talked to, prior to and during the academy, has said that they'll hang up their holster and badge before trampling the Constitution... but more likely is a huge push back against those who would even try this crap. Rest easy- not going to happen anytime soon, especially on my watch.

[LOL]

They will pass a Law first. And then its on. First it will be the mentally ill. Define by the govt. PSTD. No guns. Have a case of the boo hoos. No guns. Then it will be domestic enemies/terrorists. Tea Party. People with gadsten flags. People who buy things with cash or have some food.

Here is a whole list of possible terrorist activities brought to you by the gov't
http://chasvoice.blogspot.com/2012/03/fbi-issuing-suspicious-activity.html


The cops will do it. How do i know this? They are doing it NOW.

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2013/11/most_ny_safe_act_arrests_so_far_for_crimes_that_pr e-date_new_gun_laws.html

All i heard was that no cop would ever ever under any circumstances arrest people for having 7 rounds in a magazine. Why don't you worry ! Trust us! We can trust them so much that they are arresting people for laws that are not even in effect yet. Trust! Yep


From March to Oct. 22, 981 people were charged with new provisions under the Safe Act:



864 were charged with criminal possession of a firearm, a new felony that includes having a gun with a shortened barrel or an unregistered pistol. Before the Safe Act, this behavior was a misdemeanor charge called fourth-degree criminal possession of a weapon, which is still on the books.
33 were charged with having more than seven bullets inside a 10-round magazine, a violation that is the equivalent of a traffic ticket. First-time offenders face a $200 fine.
21 were charged with criminal possession of a weapon on school grounds, a new felony.
20 were charged with unlawful possession of a large capacity ammunition feeding device, a misdemeanor.
15 were charged with aggravated criminal possession of a weapon, a felony charged when a person has a loaded firearm while committing a violent or drug trafficking felony.
12 were charged with criminal purchase or disposal of a weapon - also called straw purchases. The Safe Act elevated an existing law banning sales of a firearms, rifles or shotguns to a disqualified gun owner from a misdemeanor to a felony.
7 people were charged with the felony of possession of an unloaded firearm during a violent felony or drug trafficking felony.
7 people were charged with failing to register an assault weapon, a requirement that doesn't go into effect until next year.
1 person was charged with failing to safety store a rifle, shotgun or firearm when another resident in the home is prohibited from possessing a firearm. This is a misdemeanor.
1 person was charged with unlawful transfer or a previously lawful assault weapons or large-capacity magazine, a misdemeanor.


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Over in Cali the cops are going door to door confiscating guns from those CA deems prohibited. Oh they say they are mentally ill and the like. Uh-huh

In NJ They are entering homes without a warrant over a facebook post demanding to see the guns
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2013/03/nj_family_facebook_photo_of_bo.html

It is well known that in NY, they ignore fed safe transport laws and bust people for illegal NY guns

Last year in Aurora they stopped everyone at an intersection forced them to get out of the car at gunpoint
http://www.coloradoindependent.com/121558/in-nabbing-bank-robber-aurora-cops-set-off-constituional-alarms

http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/05/police-halt-19-cars-at-intersection-handcuff-everyone-to-find-one-bank-robber/


“We didn’t have a description, didn’t know race or gender or anything, so a split-second decision was made to stop all the cars at that intersection, and search for the armed robber,” Aurora police officer Frank Fania told ABC News.


No description, no nothing. Therefore they didn't even have RAS, let alone probable cause to stop anyone. But so what! Block the intersection, stick rifles and shotguns in peoples faces well its easy to get consent after that, isn't it. Its all good !


“It’s hard to say what normal is in a situation like this when you haven’t dealt with a situation like this,” Fania told ABC. “The result of the whole ordeal is that it paid off. We have arrested and charged a suspect.”

What constitutional principle allows the detention of 40 cars at an intersection with no RAS/PC? Oh it must be the "it paid off" exception. AKA We have the guns pointed at you now STFU an comply. Yea its right there in the constitution, you just have to squint to see it....

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ETA: I cant wait for the first case of someone with a pot card to get busted and have the guns taken away. Some will be happy as pie. Stupid criminals broke the law. No guns for you you doper! Law is the Law

[lowbeyond]

they will confiscate guns whenever they want and I bet 90-95% of American gun owners give them up quietly. American gun owners are LAW ABIDING people who have lived comfortable lives. They arent ready to live like afghans and give their lives.

sorry, but its what I believe to be true.

Id guess most will give them up. Just look at other countires.

Then those that refuse and shoot a cop will be labeled as Cop Killers, and all those i would never ever confiscate guns will hunt them down and kill them to much applause - no doubt.

After all they Broke.The.Law They are CRIMINALS ! You must obey.

[kidicarus13]

What constitutional principle allows the detention of 40 cars at an intersection with no RAS/PC? Oh it must be the "it paid off" exception. AKA We have the guns pointed at you now STFU an comply. Yea its right there in the constitution, you just have to squint to see it....

That's funny. Exigent circumstance was probably their final answer.


An emergency situation requiring swift action to prevent imminent danger to life or serious damage to property, or to forestall the imminent escape of a suspect, or destruction of evidence. There is no ready litmus test for determining whether such circumstances exist, and in each case the extraordinary situation must be measured by the facts known by officials.

Those circumstances that would cause a reasonable person to believe that entry (or other relevant prompt action) was necessary to prevent physical harm to the officers or other persons, the destruction of relevant evidence, the escape of a suspect, or some other consequence improperly frustrating legitimate law enforcement efforts.

[lowbeyond]

It's not even exigent circumstances. They had zero knowledge of who the suspect was. It's not like they followed him, and they ducked into a building so they followed without a warrant. That's exigent circumstances. Not this. Remember they had nothing, they admit it

It's like there was a rape, so all of you in area x with a penis must submit to a search.

Really? Not only no, but fuck no

But hey, so long as they have cheerleaders, and they go their man, no matter what. It's all good.

Fuck the Constitution and the last couple hundred years of scotus jurisprudence. That stuff is for pikers.

[kidicarus13]

It's not even exigent circumstances. They had zero knowledge of who the suspect was. It's not like they followed him, and they ducked into a building so they followed without a warrant. That's exigent circumstances. Not this. Remember they had nothing, they admit it

It's like there was a rape, so all of you in area x with a penis must submit to a search.

Really? Not only no, but fuck no

But hey, so long as they have cheerleaders, and they go their man, no matter what. It's all good.

Fuck the Constitution and the last couple hundred years of scotus jurisprudence. That stuff is for pikers.

I agree with you but it's not so black and white to everyone. "there is no ready litmus test"

[lowbeyond]

I figured as much (that you were agreeing)

But really it is black and white. That situation was the definition of the ends justify the means. So the State can shit all over everything because reasons. And guns

Here I'll chant America America till I'm blue in the face.

Some people want to live in a state like that. Quite frankly there is enough of them, that that is the reason we are up shits creek.

People applaud right up until it's them. Of course they never think it will be them because they think they are law abiding citizens and don't break the law. A lie that is demonstrably False

*shrug*


Heh

[BREATHER]

I wish I could remember who I was listening to the other evening on Patriot Radio, but it was a discussion on the size of armies around the world. I was said The United States of America has the largest by far, standing army in the world due the armed law abiding citizens of the U.S.A. If that is true and that is the reason why the USA has not been invaded, then why is it so many politicians and their paychecks want to disarm the citizens. Who stands to make a profit from an invasion. Who is in the pockets of the enemies of the USA.

It would no longer be capitalism it would be profiteering. Now we're talking treason. How many of these assholes are making a profit from "terrorists". War on Terror ? that would make it treason. War on Drugs ?? Making a profit off cartels etc. TREASON. This is why "they" want to disarm law abiding, hard working American Citizens.

[kidicarus13]

NWO

[lowbeyond]

well the US has been invaded before, and DC has been set afire. heh

As for invasion.. what country has the lift capacity, sea or air or underground hobbit tunnel to get across 2 oceans ? Geography is a bitch.

[sellersm]

As was mentioned earlier, NY is on the way to doing this very thing: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/11/robert-farago/begins-new-york-sending-gun-confiscation-notices/

[lowbeyond]

bu-bu-bu-buttttttttt

cops would never ever do THAT !

[blah-blah]

People refuse to believe what is right in front of thier faces. I wonder why that is....?

image from link above

http://truthaboutguns.zippykid.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Screen-Shot-2013-11-27-at-9.31.12-AM.png

[BREATHER]

I have begun thinking again about NWO.... Who exactly is buying the office of president of the U.S. ???/ "They want sheeple and the sheeple don't even know its coming.

[sellersm]

I'd strongly encourage you to listen to the Hagmann & Hagmann report I linked to earlier in this thread. CO is supposed to be the 1st State where this happens.... Before Christmas. Those who believe in prayer, it's time to pray.

Here's the episode: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/cfp-radio/2013/11/27/greg-evensen-and-steve-quayle-on-gun-confiscation

[sellersm]

I'm sure this is just a coincidence: http://intellihub.com/2013/11/27/martial-law-drills-taking-place-nationwide-black-helicopters-descend-on-cities-at-night/

[Skip]

well the US has been invaded before, and DC has been set afire. heh

As for invasion.. what country has the lift capacity, sea or air or underground hobbit tunnel to get across 2 oceans ? Geography is a bitch.

None (effectively).

Think "Coalition of the Willing."

Zero & Co have lined up our enemies and polarized the world. Ask yourself a serious question: Who would come to our aid? Then the follow-up: Who would benefit from a world with the Unites States?

Ask yourself who has control of the resources inside this country. This is why everything has been "centralized." Liberals don't want to control the means of production because it's a goal in and of itself, but rather to use the limited resources to make sure the right people die.

[Mick-Boy]

I'm sure this is just a coincidence: http://intellihub.com/2013/11/27/martial-law-drills-taking-place-nationwide-black-helicopters-descend-on-cities-at-night/


Exercises in populated areas are very useful for the guys who have to conduct R/S operations. I'm not saying people shouldn't be vigilante, but the US military has been conducting exercises in US cities for a long time. As an example, TRUEX is a standard part of a MEU(SOC) work-up for Marines. Here's an article (http://www.24thmeu.marines.mil/News/ArticleDisplayPage/tabid/374/Article/13544/24th-meu-storms-into-savannah-for-truex.aspx) about on conducted in Savannah, GA in Jan of 2001 (pre-9/11).