Homicide after chiefs game

[trlcavscout]

Someone dead, 2 in custody. No other details.

[Zundfolge]

Pshaw! Nobody need to CCW to a football game.[beatdeadhorse]

[trlcavscout]

The victim should have just pee'd on him/her self. Then fired a shotgun into the air.


A coworker went to the game, at first I was like man I hope it wasn't him for wearing bronco stuff. Then I realized it would have read BREAKING: 2 dead, 1 in custody.

[hurley842002]

Pshaw! Nobody need to CCW to a football game.[beatdeadhorse]

FTW!!

[TheBelly]

The victim should have just pee'd on him/her self. Then fired a shotgun into the air.


A coworker went to the game, at first I was like man I hope it wasn't him for wearing bronco stuff. Then I realized it would have read BREAKING: 2 dead, 1 in custody.

oh my.....

[SideShow Bob]

More details here :
http://www.kctv5.com/story/24107400/homicide-reported-at-arrowhead-stadium-after-chiefs-broncos-game

Police sources tell KCTV5 that a man and his son had gone to their vehicle during the game. When they arrived, they found another man rifling through the vehicle and a fight broke out. The man who apparently did not belong in the vehicle died.
Police officials did not say whether the two in custody were the father and his son or not.
Officers were called to the scene at 5:20 p.m. The game started at 3:25 p.m.



Good riddance to thieves........

[djbar2]

Sad.

[SideShow Bob]

Sad.

Sad that a lowlife thief is no longer around ?

[trlcavscout]

Sad that a lowlife thief is no longer around ?

Sad that the chief has already tweeted it as a homicide before the investigation. The kid seen his dad fight and kill a man, maybe justified maybe not? But their should be an investigation before the verdict is read.

[djbar2]

If stealing is a death sentence then the scales of justice have been weighed too heavy

[Sharpienads]

If steeling is a death sentence then the scales of justice have been weighed too heavy

You don't know that the guy killed the thief because he was stealing something. It could have very easily turned into a self-defense situation. Besides, your property is the manifestation of your labor. I'm not saying it's worth killing somebody over stuff, but I don't feel bad for a thief who gets killed in the act.

[jerrymrc]

The victim should have just pee'd on him/her self. Then fired a shotgun into the air.


A coworker went to the game, at first I was like man I hope it wasn't him for wearing bronco stuff. Then I realized it would have read BREAKING: 2 dead, 1 in custody.

Because the city's are fairly close many travel to the games. I think all in all there is some respect between the two. I wore my Broncos stuff back in the 80's to Arrowhead and it was always a good ribbing. I did notice many orange jerseys in the crowd tonight.[Flower]

[Irving]

If stealing is a death sentence then the scales of justice have been weighed too heavy

Thief should have considered that before hand. He assumed the risk.

[streetglideok]

Not to take anyone's defense, but we don't know the facts yet, so best not to judge yet. The news media fabricates a lot of stuff(I know, who'd a thought?), and only tells what will sell. It could have been an altercation that lead to this, and they blamed it on an attempted theft and fight to cover their tracks. It could have easily been catching a crime in progress, and the deadbeat scum took to fighting or brandishing a weapon. Death for theft alone is a bit strong, however the criminal assumed that risk when he decided to break the law. If he was stealing, all he had to do was not steal and there wouldn't have been a problem.

[hurley842002]

If stealing is a death sentence then the scales of justice have been weighed too heavy

If stealing was a death sentence, maybe less folks would steal.... Just saying.

[TFOGGER]

Likely scenario: Father and son leave the game a couple of minutes early to beat the crowd. They happen upon the thief in the act, and the thief either attacks or brandishes a weapon in an attempt to escape, and it ended badly for him.

Homicide is not necessarily murder. It simply means that one person directly caused the death of another.

[djbar2]

Agreed that facts are not known. But hearts are being exposed by the posts. I am not only a believer in the philosophy of how society treats it's criminals and the idea of a punishment should equal the crime, I am a benefactor of it. I like the jury system and surely want to see a TRIAL and judgement.

[SideShow Bob]

This just gets curiouser and curiouser, the information in the link has been updated....... Watch the video too.
http://www.kctv5.com/story/24107400/homicide-reported-at-arrowhead-stadium-after-chiefs-broncos-game

[sniper7]

Jeep had a good sticker on it!

I'm curious what really happened. If he was trying to steal the jeep or contents inside, then good riddance,

[XC700116]

10 bucks says tweaker OD'd and just happened to be in the middle of a fight with someone who just found the tweaker had broken into his car, when the ol ticker gave up the ghost.

The report in the video says no outward signs of use of a weapon or blunt object.

If that's what happened, then, good riddance, you reap what you sow.

[bryjcom]

The Blaze is reporting that the Father died and not the thief in the car.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/12/01/father-reportedly-confronts-vehicle-intruder-in-nfl-stadium-parking-lot-dies-after-son-runs-for-help-but-victims-cause-of-death-not-yet-known/

[Lex_Luthor]

Five point palm exploding heart technique

[streetglideok]

The Blaze is reporting that the Father died and not the thief in the car.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/12/01/father-reportedly-confronts-vehicle-intruder-in-nfl-stadium-parking-lot-dies-after-son-runs-for-help-but-victims-cause-of-death-not-yet-known/

Typical media speculation. Father died, but then it's a man in his 20s and his son ran for help? Will just have to wait and see what really happened.

[Graves]

If stealing was a death sentence, maybe less folks would steal.... Just saying.

'Bout how I see it.

[Ronin13]

If stealing is a death sentence then the scales of justice have been weighed too heavy
Every time I see someone say something like this, I can't help but think "so stealing was the only thing they did? You were there? Wow, that must have been a crazy thing to witness!" [Coffee]
A person can't say 100% of the time "If a guy breaks into my house/car/whatever I won't do anything"- different circumstances, different actions, different outcomes.

[centrarchidae]

I don't know about in MO. Here, and in most states, you're entitled to use reasonable if non-lethal force in defense of your property.

Which begs the question: let's say that I walk out and find some fine human being rifling though the center console of my truck. I grab his collar to pull him out of the truck and ask "What the **** are you doing?"

He responds to my intrusion into his personal space by producing a knife.

Normally, a knife at close quarters, presented with hostile intent, is emphatically a threat of death or great bodily harm. Am I no longer justified in escalating because I confronted him when I should have just let him gank my stuff?

[driver]

I'm not sure what to think. I wonder if Bob Costas will tell us what to think. ;)

[RblDiver]

If stealing was a death sentence, maybe less folks would steal.... Just saying.

+1

[T-Giv]

If stealing was a death sentence, maybe less folks would steal.... Just saying.

Couldn't say it any better.

[Ronin13]

I don't know about in MO. Here, and in most states, you're entitled to use reasonable if non-lethal force in defense of your property.

Which begs the question: let's say that I walk out and find some fine human being rifling though the center console of my truck. I grab his collar to pull him out of the truck and ask "What the **** are you doing?"

He responds to my intrusion into his personal space by producing a knife.

Normally, a knife at close quarters, presented with hostile intent, is emphatically a threat of death or great bodily harm. Am I no longer justified in escalating because I confronted him when I should have just let him gank my stuff?
This is actually a scenario a Jeffco DA presented when talking about the use of force in defense of property, and if the criminal escalates the situation with deadly force (or the threat thereof) because they were confronted you are justified in using deadly force- because now it's become a self-defense issue. You have the right to not be killed or subjected to serious bodily injury, but my advice is not legal advice, I'm not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV... [Beer]

[PugnacAutMortem]

If stealing was a death sentence, maybe less folks would steal.... Just saying.

Maybe, maybe not. You're not going to find 12 people who want to put a person to death for going through someone's car. Even if you did, how long does it take to actually execute someone on death row? Talk about wasting tax money on prisoners...death row inmates suck thousands upon thousands of dollars a day out of the state. Then you all would be bitching about the drain these death row inmates are on our state.

You still would have to go through a trial, conviction and sentencing to get to that point though, and I think that's djbar2's point. You can't just go around executing people for crimes, kinda goes against one of those Bill of Rights thingies that everyone is so up in arms about protecting.

Just think about the things you say before you say them people.

[hurley842002]

Maybe, maybe not. You're not going to find 12 people who want to put a person to death for going through someone's car. Even if you did, how long does it take to actually execute someone on death row? Talk about wasting tax money on prisoners...death row inmates suck thousands upon thousands of dollars a day out of the state. Then you all would be bitching about the drain these death row inmates are on our state.

You still would have to go through a trial, conviction and sentencing to get to that point though, and I think that's djbar2's point. You can't just go around executing people for crimes, kinda goes against one of those Bill of Rights thingies that everyone is so up in arms about protecting.

Just think about the things you say before you say them people.

You are taking my post waaaaay too literal. Maybe I should have spelled it out a bit better. I don't mean actually sentencing people to death thru the courts, I mean if there was a high chance you'd be killed while committing crimes against man, then maybe the risk wouldn't be worth the reward....

[hurley842002]

'Bout how I see it.


+1


Couldn't say it any better.

Careful guys, you don't want to be "exposing your hearts".....

[PugnacAutMortem]

You are taking my post waaaaay too literal. Maybe I should have spelled it out a bit better. I don't mean actually sentencing people to death thru the courts, I mean if there was a high chance you'd be killed while committing crimes against man, then maybe the risk wouldn't be worth the reward....

Fair enough, and I actually agree with you on that point.

[Ronin13]

Careful guys, you don't want to be "exposing your hearts".....
[ROFL1] Thank God I took my drink of water prior to reading this, I would have spit it all over my laptop.

[Gman]

From what I heard today, the uninvited occupant of the vehicle appears to have collapsed and died on his own. He wasn't shot or stabbed. An autopsy should clear things up a bit.

[battle_sight_zero]

If stealing is a death sentence then the scales of justice have been weighed too heavy

Police often for reasons kill people involved in lesser crime. The perps escalate the response.

[battle_sight_zero]

Sounds like he died after being hit by multiple people http://kmgh.m0bl.net/w/news-world/story/104897992/

Also everyone was intoxicated including the victim who may have thought the car was the one he arrived in. Yes I called him a victim, sounds like he screwed up but had no criminal intentions.

[Great-Kazoo]

Sounds like he died after being hit by multiple people http://kmgh.m0bl.net/w/news-world/story/104897992/

Also everyone was intoxicated including the victim who may have thought the car was the one he arrived in. Yes I called him a victim, sounds like he screwed up but had no criminal intentions.



Unless you or i were on the scene, we have no way of knowing. Same for any other "media report". We have all (or most of us) have seen shit go down. yet when in print or tv, the report is nowhere near what we witnessed.

[battle_sight_zero]

Unless you or i were on the scene, we have no way of knowing. Same for any other "media report". We have all (or most of us) have seen shit go down. yet when in print or tv, the report is nowhere near what we witnessed.


I said sounds like. Yes I am quite aware how the media manipulates the news. However I believe it is quite possible that someone who is under the influence of alcohol could accidentally enter a vehicle. I also believe it is possible for someone to use inappropriate force. In this case the man who died is a victim of his stupidity if the story is accurate. Yes he committed a crime regardless.

[Squeeze]

Unless you or i were on the scene, we have no way of knowing. Same for any other "media report". We have all (or most of us) have seen shit go down. yet when in print or tv, the report is nowhere near what we witnessed.

I second what Jim said. Why beat the shit out of a dead horse? None of us were there - so why Monday morning quarterback it?

[streetglideok]

As I said before and many others have as well, we weren't there, and you can't believe but a fraction of what the media reports. To me, it doesn't matter if the guy was drunk and got into the wrong vehicle. No one forced him to drink so much that he forgot where he parked. He alone made the decision to drink like a fish. There are consequences for not taking responsibility for your actions and behavior. Being at a football game is not an excuse for blatant stupidity.

[djbar2]

So bottom line. Don't make a mistake, anywhere from throwing a cigarette butt (pet peeve) to murder, least be killed. Do I understand this correct?

[djbar2]

Just gonna make the suggestion that no one should beat the neighbors 5 year old to death for stepping on your lawn. Just a suggestion.

[djbar2]

or my suggestion dont sign up 5 years ago never post and then troll us on this thread.
And there it is.

[streetglideok]

So bottom line. Don't make a mistake, anywhere from throwing a cigarette butt (pet peeve) to murder, least be killed. Do I understand this correct?

I would not classify getting so drunk, you cant figure outwhat vehicle is yours, at a large public venue as a mistake. That is a major lapse of judgment. You have to accept responsibility for what may result from your actions. Would it be just a mistake, if a teen boy got good and drunk, and consequently forced himself on a girl? You can't blame the poor kid, he was drunk, right? For those who throw cigarette butts out, that is not a mistake either. You knowingly throw a burning object outside, and unless you are retarded, or voted for Obama, you possess the common sense to know it could start a fire, which could burn a house down.

Lets put this another way. You come home, late one night, to find some drunk stranger trying to have his way with your wife. Is he so drunk, that he doesn't realize he's at the wrong address? Is he just drunk, and a rapist? Are you going to actually ask the guy this, or are you going to handle it? You could do what Obama voting liberals would do.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi7gwX7rjOw

[Irving]

I second what Jim said. Why beat the shit out of a dead horse? None of us were there - so why Monday morning quarterback it?

Because it is 10 degrees outside and there is nothing better to do.

[theGinsue]

Because it is 10 degrees outside and there is nothing better to do.

Okay, now THAT was funny!

[Squeeze]

Because it is 10 degrees outside and there is nothing better to do.

I'm bored at work. If I were at home, well...then there are a lot of better things to do. [smilesex]

[centrarchidae]

So bottom line. Don't make a mistake, anywhere from throwing a cigarette butt (pet peeve) to murder, least be killed. Do I understand this correct?

No, bottom line: "don't go into other people's cars, and then make those other people think that your unlawful acts will result in them being gravely injured or killed if not immediately stopped" is what I think everybody else is trying to say.

Seems like you're being intentionally dense. Why?