Who carries AIWB and what holster do you use?

[nathan0259]

So I just found out about this fancy new carry position and I'm thinking about giving it a shot. (Pun is intended)

Who does it, how do you like it and why?

What holster would you recommend for a Glock?

[BuffCyclist]

I recently discovered it and it is WONDERFUL! I'm 6'2", 160lbs and carry my M&P40c in a Bravo Concealment DOS holster (with soft belt loops). It is extremely comfortable and seriously disappears in any clothing. I have worn it in the car for a 1.5hr drive for shopping and it got to be a little uncomfortable. I simply do a little "hike up the pants" right before getting into the car and it feels better.

When my wife took her CCW class and I attended as well (for practice), I was relegated to using my Glock 23, so I twisted my SuperTuck to AIWB and it was just as comfortable if not more than the DOS. Granted, that was only at the range and I never really sat down with it, but still.

I also have a Comp-Tac Two Oclock holster for it but don't like it as much. Since it only has 1 clip, the pistol tended to rotate and was very uncomfortable.

I don't have one, but I've heard extreme rave reviews for the INCOG and have considered picking one up for my Glock 23.

But for what its worth, I read a lot about the position and found many people discovered it was easier to conceal LARGER pistols than subcompacts. That is mostly because it will ride up over your lower rib when you sit down, instead of getting caught under it. Just change how you sit down and your posture and you'll be fine.

[Joe_K]

Ive been carrying the past year AIWB with FN and Glock handguns and I prefer the OTGHEX ADR MK1 https://otghex.com/products/mki-inside-waistband/
I carry it daily and its super comfy, high quality peice. A few other excellent options are;
http://www.phlster.com/#!product/prd1/924401054/skeleton-iwb

http://www.phlster.com/#!product/prd1/924417024/access-iwb

http://www.crossbreedholsters.com/AppendixCarry.aspx


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[BuffCyclist]

Oh yea, and finger off the trigger and remember, there is NO rush to reholster. Take your time and verify the holster is clear before reinserting the pistol.

[Joe_K]

I carry " Israeli"


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[nathan0259]

I carry " Israeli"


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What is this Israeli of which you speak?

[BuffCyclist]

What is this Israeli of which you speak?

I believe it means empty chamber.

[Joe_K]

This is not me but it explains the method visually.
http://youtu.be/f125KIa8Hv4


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[nathan0259]

Why do you carry with an empty chamber?

[Joe_K]

Multiple reasons.
1. I carry appendix
2. I carry a Glock
3. I like my junk
4. My wife doesnt like the idea of me having one in the tube whilst in the house
5. Staying consistent
6. The Israelis do this hasnt worked out to bad for them.


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[sniper7]

weapons hot. the only way to roll.

[Joe_K]

To each their own. Level 2 retention holsters, manual safeties, or certain types of carry (ankle, off body, drop leg ect) could all be considered cold carry since they require either fine motor skills, (level 2 holster/ safety) or longer physical movement i.e. Kneeling or stooping to retrieve an ankle peice or reaching halfway down a leg to a drop rig. Wherever Im at I know that I only have one gross motor skill to accomplish before my firearm is ready. The slowest part of my draw stroke is 9/10 lifting the cover garment. Curse you cold weather = multiple layers.


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[nathan0259]

Fair enough. I like my junk as well. I think I'm ganna try a Bravo Concealment holster or maybe Ravens AIWB. Thanks for the info gents.

How much time would you guess it takes you to draw and chamber vs just drawing?

[Joe_K]

For me the difference is negligble, I dont posess a shot timer but my guess is less than 1/4 of a second. The only downside to a Raven that Im aware of is the lead times are supposedly horrible.


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[BuffCyclist]

For me the difference is negligble, I dont posess a shot timer but my guess is less than 1/4 of a second. The only downside to a Raven that Im aware of is the lead times are supposedly horrible.


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I bet you're underestimating it, especially in a high stress situation. Also, can't do a hip shot if you have to rack the slide. Just sayin'.

ALL holster lead times are 6+ weeks. I waited about 9 weeks for my Bravo DOS and it was WORTH the wait!

[Musashi]

Another holster you might take a look at is the PJHolster. I just received mine a few weeks ago and am liking it in its simplicity. I am trying appendix carry with it and it works well even though it has about a 5 degree cant to it.

[Irving]

Do you generally carry higher with appendix carry?

[nathan0259]

From what I understand you want to carry as low as possible for AIWB

[banks74]

I've carried appendix for about 2 years now. I have a modified Comp-tac infidel that i modified a little bit that has worked really well. It was really simple and fairly inexpensive. I switched over to a Raven about 2 months ago. I must say it is really nice. It took about 4 weeks to get it or so.

I love how thin it is, and the positive lock you can feel when your glock is fully seated into the holster. It took me a few weeks to adjust it to my preferences etc. I carry just high enough that I can still easily wrap all my fingers around the grip before I have to pull it out. (I know some prefer to carry lower, its personal preference) But not high enough that it wobbles front to back if that makes sense.

It disappears under pretty much anything. I can carry a G19 all day comfortably and with only a t shirt as a cover garment.

[Irving]

Does anyone carry appendix while dressing business casual? It sure is easy to conceal pistols under an untucked t-shirt, but what about a clean front button up shirt that is neatly tucked into pants with a belt?

[Joe_K]

[QUOTE=BuffCyclist;1429295]I bet you're underestimating it, especially in a high stress situation. Also, can't do a hip shot if you have to rack the slide. Just sayin'.

1. ALL draw times will be slower under a high stress situation. Having been shot at multiple times in extremely stressful situations I have a somewhat decent idea of how I will perform under duress.
2. One does not need 2 hands to rack a slide, If you can draw one handed and shoot you can certainly draw, rack and shoot one handed. Unless your naked, suspended in space, covered in jello.




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[banks74]

Irving, the Raven holster is tuckable. I wear a Glock 19 under a button shirt and dress pants all the time. It conceals pretty well. A smaller gun like an LCP in a Betty holster completely disappears underneath a button up shirt.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

[QUOTE=BuffCyclist;1429295]I bet you're underestimating it, especially in a high stress situation. Also, can't do a hip shot if you have to rack the slide. Just sayin'.

1. ALL draw times will be slower under a high stress situation. Having been shot at multiple times in extremely stressful situations I have a somewhat decent idea of how I will perform under duress.
2. One does not need 2 hands to rack a slide, If you can draw one handed and shoot you can certainly draw, rack and shoot one handed. Unless your naked, suspended in space, covered in jello.




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I love Jello........

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[BuffCyclist]

[QUOTE=BuffCyclist;1429295]I bet you're underestimating it, especially in a high stress situation. Also, can't do a hip shot if you have to rack the slide. Just sayin'.

1. ALL draw times will be slower under a high stress situation. Having been shot at multiple times in extremely stressful situations I have a somewhat decent idea of how I will perform under duress.
2. One does not need 2 hands to rack a slide, If you can draw one handed and shoot you can certainly draw, rack and shoot one handed. Unless your naked, suspended in space, covered in jello.

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I know you don't need two hands to rack a slide, I was just pointing out that you can't go straight from holster to a hip shot, you have other stuff to do before you can fire a round.

Not trying to discount your carry method, I'm merely stating that I'll never carry empty chamber. For the same reason I won't carry a pistol with an external safety. While I haven't been shot at, I know how my body reacts to high adrenaline, high stress situations and I definitely lose all fine motor skills and forget to do things. I won't forget to pull the trigger, and I want nothing else to happen between having to draw the gun and pull the trigger.

If we met at the range and you could put two rounds on target with racking the slide after the draw faster than I could put two rounds on target just drawing and shooting, it still doesn't mean that I'd switch to that method. If you practice your draw 100 times per day, and I don't, you will always be faster no matter what you have to do. What works for you doesn't necessarily mean it will work for me.

All things aside, I'll probably never have to use my CCW to actually defend my life, so this whole argument is kind of pointless LOL.

[BuffCyclist]

[QUOTE=MOLON LABE;1429921]

I love Jello........

Sent from my teepee using smoke signals.

What a coincidence, I love space!

So, who loves bein' nekkid?!

[Joe_K]

Not tryna argue, like I said to each their own.


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[cofi]

Are you guys able to sit down comfortably appendix carrying?

[BuffCyclist]

Are you guys able to sit down comfortably appendix carrying?

Surprisingly yes. There is a little bit of an adjustment left to right that you'll have to figure out, but for the most part, it is quite comfortable. I have no problem sitting in my car and driving 90min while appendix carrying.

As I said before, my trick is to pull my pants up ever so slightly higher before I get in the car.

[Irving]

Irving, the Raven holster is tuckable. I wear a Glock 19 under a button shirt and dress pants all the time. It conceals pretty well. A smaller gun like an LCP in a Betty holster completely disappears underneath a button up shirt.

Thank you. I like the idea of AIWB because I occasionally get touched at work. The other day someone poked me from behind and their finger must have been an inch from the grip. It was pretty startling. At least from the front I could see it coming.

[BuffCyclist]

Thank you. I like the idea of AIWB because I occasionally get touched at work. The other day someone poked me from behind and their finger must have been an inch from the grip. It was pretty startling. At least from the front I could see it coming.

Oh dang, that would definitely be interesting to explain.

And I agree about the LCP, granted one of those disappears pretty much anywhere.

[Irving]

I've got a Kel-tec P-11 that I'll probably have to wear for a week when I send my gun back to Smith & Wesson (again). I don't like carrying it though because I shoot like a New York cop with it.

[10mm-man]

I've got a Kel-tec P-11 that I'll probably have to wear for a week when I send my gun back to Smith & Wesson (again). I don't like carrying it though because I shoot like a New York cop with it.


I heard those guys are good shots!! If you missed your target , and hit someone else; you could always blame it on the guy you were trying to hit.

[Irving]

That's not a bad idea...

[nathan0259]

I'm going to attempt this with a glock 21 so I will let you guys know how it works out.

[Persocon]

you guys probably don't have much "real estate", I find I have too much real estate and the gun cants away from my body and prints on a USP 45 full

[Joe_K]

While I have successfully concealed with minimal printing both a Glock 17, and an FNS .40 AIWB. It really works out much better with a compact that was dedigned for concealability as opposed to a full size duty gun that was not. Also some of my heavier set friends dont benefit from Appendix carry due to the way they are built. Its not a one size fits all deal.


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[68Guy]

Yep - during the Summer months when I want to wear lite clothing, the best and most comfortable choice is appendix for me. Like many on this board, I have multiple weapons and holsters and choose and appropriate for the conditions. If I want to conceal during those times, I use a Galco USA IWB holster and go with my subcompact Glock 27. It is exactly like my Glock 23 except the barrel is slightly shorter and turns out to be the perfect length for me so that when I sit, the muzzle does not jamb into my thigh. The G-23 does dig in a little bit so I don't usually go that way. I use the standard shorter mag for the G-27 but I carry a spare G-23 mag to get those extra rounds. And yes, I DO carry with one in the pipe. I am a Glock armor and I know damn well that the whole "the gun went off" thing just cannot happen with a Glock provided that the trigger is not actively pulled to preload the striker and clear the safeties. Keep it in the holster, keep your bugger hook off of where it doesn't belong and it is completely safe. Oh, and if I ever pull the weapon from the holster while AIWB, I simply unhook the holster and remove it to reholster my weapon so that there is NO WAY the trigger can snag on anything while pointed at my junk. Remember - draw quick and smooth - holster slow and easy!

[hurley842002]

Kind of an older thread, but no sense in starting a new one.

I recently traded in the ol G26 for a G23, and forced myself to try appendix for awhile (it just conceals the larger pistol better). I have to say, I'm kicking myself in the tail for not giving appendix more of a chance. I would have traded the G26 for the 23 a long time ago if I would have known I could actually get used to appendix carry.

[Rooskibar03]

So does appendix only work for you skinny dudes? I'm not large (6'2" 220,36 waist) more thick. Normally carry at 4/5 o'clock position but been thinking of mixing it up.

[hurley842002]

So does appendix only work for you skinny dudes? I'm not large (6'2" 220,36 waist) more thick. Normally carry at 4/5 o'clock position but been thinking of mixing it up.

I've got a bit of a gut I'm working on ridding myself of, 5'9 195 33", but it's working great for me.

[Irving]

So if you are right handed, do you just place the barrel just to the right of your junk? Can you pull this off with a dress shirt tucked into slacks?

[Joe_K]

Yes, yes, and yes.


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[Irving]

Every time I try it with my nylon holster, it gives me a kind of misplaced erection/tumor look. Perhaps with a holster made for Appendix carry would look better.

[Great-Kazoo]

Every time I try it with my nylon holster, it gives me a kind of misplaced erection/tumor look. Perhaps with a holster made for Appendix carry would look better.

Perhaps surgery, OR one of those e-mails, might resolve that look.

I've tried this way of carrying, it's a love /hate thing, based on weight, 195 to waist 35" ratio. . I prefer SOB for auto's, or hip / pocket with revolvers. Maybe a different (better) holster might have me reconsider.

[rockhound]

Every time I try it with my nylon holster, it gives me a kind of misplaced erection/tumor look. Perhaps with a holster made for Appendix carry would look better.

is that a gun in your pocket or are you just........

i carry IWB, sub compast though, I do not have a large frame so anything larger than my bodyguard looks like i need surgery, safety off, round in the chamber, with the heavy factory trigger pull i have no fear that i will ever shoot this thing accidently, lots of practice. keeping that trigger finger off the stick becomes second nature.

if you are afraid of your weapon then you might as well not carry it at all, i dont care if you can rack a slide in practice one handed two handed using the force whatever, that split second can be the difference between going home for dinner or going to the morgue. when you are on your back with some asshat beating on you then try racking that slide.

[hurley842002]

Every time I try it with my nylon holster, it gives me a kind of misplaced erection/tumor look. Perhaps with a holster made for Appendix carry would look better.

I've been using this generic leather Glock holster (don't mind the failed attempt at the Glock logo lol). It works very well for me, although it could be a bit thinner. Normally I prefer two belt attachment points, however I'm finding with appendix, the single point is best, as it allows you to shift it around as needed for sitting, leaning over etc.

I'm thinking hard about getting a Comp-Tac infidel, as it would give a thinner profile and has the single clip.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/12/daqu9a3e.jpg

(no I don't dust as often as I should)

[BuffCyclist]

It took me a little while to get comfortable with concealing AIWB but now it is my absolute favorite carry position. Lately, I am leaning towards my Comp Tac Two Oclock holser with my M&P40c and it's very comfortable, it truly does disappear.

I'm 6'2" and 165lbs, so tall and skinny.

As far as carrying that way with a nylon holster, I wouldn't trust it at the range (or anywhere) with reholstering. The nylon can flatten and get stuck inside the trigger. My CCW instructor said he prefers that method with any pistol that has a hammer, so that when he reholsters, he puts his thumb over the hammer and can feel if it is riding up (as he reholsters slowly). I'm just careful that my shirt is out of the way and the holster is clear.

[Irving]

Oh let me clarify. My nylon holster is the only one that isn't a large kydex holster with two attachment points. If I tried to AIWB with my Comp-tac Minotaur, it'd be like wearing a cod piece. Also, this just around the house, not actually going any where like that.

[BuffCyclist]

Not callin' ya out Irving, just saying its not the best for carrying this way permanently. Heck, I used a Crossbreed Supertuck with my Glock 23 as a AIWB holster to test it out before I bought some dedicated holsters. Sure, I had a huge chunk of leather covering my junk, but I figured that was just a layer of body protection [LOL]

I think you might have problems because of how loose it is. With my Two Oclock and Bravo Concealment DOS, they are both somewhat angled inwards because they are rigid and kydex, that helps them to hide easier. If I ever have a chance to pickup an Incog, I'd be very interested in trying one. But at the moment, I prefer the single belt clip of the Two Oclock over the double belt clip of the DOS.

[Lex_Luthor]

I carry in a SmartCarry and have been considering getting an AIWB holster someday soon. There are still times that I really love my SmartCarry, because I prefer not to wear big shirts. And being really active, I tend to move around a LOT. But I think I could do well with an AIWB. I've recently found a couple intriguing holster designs due to this thread!

[spqrzilla]

I do not like appendix carry. A discharge during holstering or unholstering is pointed at too many vital things and I don't just mean my junk. Look where your femoral artery is on an anatomy chart someday.

Although I did observe the results a long time ago of someone on an neighboring range having an AD with an outside the waistband "appendix" holster that did not cover the trigger guard completely. Surgeons did some fantastic work and he can piss almost as well as you are I now ...

[hurley842002]

I do not like appendix carry. A discharge during holstering or unholstering is pointed at too many vital things and I don't just mean my junk. Look where your femoral artery is on an anatomy chart someday.

Although I did observe the results a long time ago of someone on an neighboring range having an AD with an outside the waistband "appendix" holster that did not cover the trigger guard completely. Surgeons did some fantastic work and he can piss almost as well as you are I now ...

Why would your trigger guard not be free from obstruction while re holstering?

With that said, I re holster outside of the pants, and place everything IWB as a unit (another reason for simple single attachment belt clips).

[jaydoc1]

I've been carrying with the Raven Concealment Vanguard2. Can carry all 3rd and 4th generation Glocks .40 and smaller. My absolute favorite way to carry AIWB.

[hurley842002]

I've been carrying with the Raven Concealment Vanguard2. Can carry all 3rd and 4th generation Glocks .40 and smaller. My absolute favorite way to carry AIWB.

I keep hearing people say those "covered trigger only" style holsters are their favorite holsters. I may have to get one to see what it's all about.

[Irving]

I've been carrying with the Raven Concealment Vanguard2. Can carry all 3rd and 4th generation Glocks .40 and smaller. My absolute favorite way to carry AIWB.
Be careful not to sound TOO excited about appendix carry...

[spqrzilla]

Why would your trigger guard not be free from obstruction while re holstering?

The world is chaotic. A shirt tail, a cord from a jacket ...

[jaydoc1]

Be careful not to sound TOO excited about appendix carry...

Not that AIWB is my favorite way to carry. The VG2 is my favorite way to carry AIWB. Still prefer strong side OWB if able.

[YammyMonkey]

The thing with going AIWB is that it is very body and holster dependent. I can run a full size M&P 9 with a Surefire X300U in a Raven ACR just fine. Some guys can hardly get away with a G-19 that's had the grip chopped to the baby Glock length.

In general, a longer barrel will be easier to hide as it will keep the gun from flipping out, but you'll have to run it closer to centerline to clear the hip crease when you're sitting. Adding a pad to the back side of the holster near the muzzle, ala the Keepers Concealment holster can help push the grip in.

A deeper ride may make the gun easier to hide, but you have to significantly alter how you establish your grip on the gun. For me, a slightly higher ride that allows me to get a good firing grip by coming straight down on the grip hides better than a deeper ride with a compromised grip. You may be different.

Height and weight are not a good guideline for whether it'll work or not either. I know SouthNarc & Paul Gomez were about the same height, but their leg/torso ratios were different enough that something that worked for Paul wouldn't work for SN.

I've had good luck with the Custom Carry Concepts Shaggy and the Raven ACR, both with a foam pad added to the inside as mentioned above. I know a lot of guys have had great luck with the Keeper as well.

We've all probably heard that a good belt can make up for a poor holster, but in my experience, AIWB requires a good holster and belt much more so than any other method of carry.

I also use a SmartCarry when I'm wearing a tucked in shirt and successfully used it in a non-permissive environment 5-6 days per week where I would have been fired on the spot if I was made and I really think that the SC compliments the AIWB platform as it's essentially the same drawstroke, just have reach a little deeper.

[kolar3]

I carry a 9mm M&P Shield in a Desantis Intruder iwb holster. It is a Crossbreed copy, carried at 4 oclock, very comfortable.

[Irving]

Do you guys that carry AIWB have the grip above, below, or even with the belt?

[hurley842002]

Do you guys that carry AIWB have the grip above, below, or even with the belt?

I carry with grip just above the belt, with enough exposed to get a full grip before the draw.

[trlcavscout]

I have used these for years, costs me about $2 to make and when I sold them it was like $15-$20. Now everybody and there friggen brother makes them of some style.

http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/trlcavscout/2013-01-17_16-15-56_663.jpg

[10mm-man]

Why would your trigger guard not be free from obstruction while re holstering?

With that said, I re holster outside of the pants, and place everything IWB as a unit (another reason for simple single attachment belt clips).


This^^^^ Only time you would be re-holstering (live rounds) is if your on the range. When your ready simply put it in the holster (once it is out of your pants), and put them both AIWB at the same time.

[Irving]

[QUOTE=10mm-man;1568535]This^^^^ Only time you would be re-holstering (live rounds) is if your on the range. /QUOTE]

I don't agree with this, but those cases when you would be reholstering live rounds in a real situation would be so few and far between that I wouldn't even worry about it.

[10mm-man]

[QUOTE=10mm-man;1568535]This^^^^ Only time you would be re-holstering (live rounds) is if your on the range. /QUOTE]

I don't agree with this, but those cases when you would be reholstering live rounds in a real situation would be so few and far between that I wouldn't even worry about it.

I am assuming by real situation, you mean using a gun in a self defense situation? So your going to re-holster? Not me; I'll clear the gun after the thread in gone, wait for the police with the gun on the ground cleared. Last thing I think I would want,is a cop coming up to a shooting scene, with me having a live gun in my appendix.

Even when I am on the range if I draw, I reholster with it out of my pants. I can not think of a situation were I would need to reholster in a hurry were this process wouldn't be ok. Now if there is a situation like that, I would go to OSW on my hip.

[spqrzilla]

10mm, I think you've narrowed down your "real situation" to an unrealistic narrow single situation.

[10mm-man]

10mm, I think you've narrowed down your "real situation" to an unrealistic narrow single situation.


OK, so let's elaborate for some "real world" "realistic" type scenarios. This way we can all learn from someone's (yours) experience. Maybe we can all learn something here, or at least I can, so I can train for those realistic situations you speak of.

I narrowed it down for what I feel I might encounter. Throw some scenario's in the mix, if you don't mind. I will admit; I narrowed it to one situation; so please tell me what the "unrealistic" part is.

Thanks,

[Irving]

Have you ever, or can you come up with a situation where you've had to draw, but did not fire?

[10mm-man]

Have you ever, or can you come up with a situation where you've had to draw, but did not fire?


So if that is the case; could you not pull the holster, insert gun, and then put it back in your pants? Maybe I failed to clarify that it applies to both when you fire it, and when you don't. Point is; you can pull the holster, insert gun, put back in pants.

[Irving]

Sorry I have to clarify, I was thinking of a completely different style holster than you were thinking of. Also, the situation I was thinking of, was just as, if not more specific than yours, so shouldn't apply.

Upon further review of what you are saying, any holster that would be stiff enough to be belt mounted, and quickly pulled out and put back in, I would feel comfortable enough just reholstering. Probably.

[10mm-man]

Sorry I have to clarify, I was thinking of a completely different style holster than you were thinking of. Also, the situation I was thinking of, was just as, if not more specific than yours, so shouldn't apply.

Upon further review of what you are saying, any holster that would be stiff enough to be belt mounted, and quickly pulled out and put back in, I would feel comfortable enough just reholstering. Probably.


I agree with the rigidity of the holster; and I believe one time on the range (when rifle ran out of bullets, and I couldn't finish drill), I pulled the 9mm fired, and reholstered without thinking. For the majority of the time though, (when the gun is hot), I pull the holster, insert gun; then put aiwb.

[Joe_K]

Why would your trigger guard not be free from obstruction while re holstering?

With that said, I re holster outside of the pants, and place everything IWB as a unit (another reason for simple single attachment belt clips).

Amen!



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[hurley842002]

Speaking of this thread..... I've got a new AIWB holster coming, that should be here tomorrow. The Garrett ”silent thunder" slim. I owned their silent thunder fusion for my 1911, but never carry that pistol. It was by far my favorite holster. I'll snap pics and give an initial, and long term review.

[hurley842002]

Received my Garrett today!

First impressions: holster is VERY well made, but appeared to be made for a subcompact upon removal from the box. Nope, just very minimal in overall size and bulk, fit my 23 perfectly. Like any leather, will take some breaking in, as it was a tight fit. A slight turn of the retention screw fixed this. Overall very very pleased, and I'll update in a few months. Here are a few pics....

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/12/3yje4uvu.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/12/2amagyqy.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/12/meqy9u6e.jpg

[hurley842002]

One week update of the Garrett, I absolutely love this thing and will likely not use another brand/style of holster. The attachment point makes it a very slim profile, and the holster depth is perfect. Very comfortable for appendix carry. There are several holster makers with the same style of holster, but none (that I'm aware of) that line it with leather. The leather is more of a luxury item and likely not everyone's cup of tea, but I like it.

Will give a long term update as I use it more.

[Lex_Luthor]

Good to hear. I'm going to pick up something similar in kydex soon.

[condoor]

2. One does not need 2 hands to rack a slide, If you can draw one handed and shoot you can certainly draw, rack and shoot one handed. Unless your naked, suspended in space, covered in jello.




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Can you please elaborate on this? I was taught how to rack the slide by hooking the rear sight on a boot, or belt, or holster, in the event that my left arm/hand is unavailable, but it wasn't an easy or quick move. Please explain. Great thread BTW. Thanks - C

[mackbamf]

Speaking of this thread..... I've got a new AIWB holster coming, that should be here tomorrow. The Garrett ”silent thunder" slim. I owned their silent thunder fusion for my 1911, but never carry that pistol. It was by far my favorite holster. I'll snap pics and give an initial, and long term review.

I have never truly given AIWB a try, but think I might pick up one of these and see. I'm short and skinny (5'6, 145), carrying in winter isn't an issue, with heavier clothing I don't print but shorts and tshirts makes it hard even with sub-compacts. Any short skinny guys have any recommendations for AIWB that have worked?

[lex137]

I'm about the same build, but weigh about 155. I use a KSB holster made by a forum member. Only problem is that I wear a lot of basketball shorts/sweats cause I like to be comfortable/lazy the holster does not work well with cause there is no belt. I just use a cheap blackhawk cloth one until I find something better....

[Tinelement]

To go along with the holster discussion, what are you guys using for a belt system?

Been carrying appendix since May, M&P Shield, and love it. My slide is showing some pretty good wear already from my belt buckle. I wear a Desantis and it has the metal buckle. Any suggestions? Thinking about shopping for a new one.

[rustycrusty]

TWAW makes an excellent kydex option for ~$50 that has a single metal clip allowing sweatpants and non-belted pant carry.

When i I am wearing a heavy belt I go with a KSB holster purchased from Bowers Tacitical. For everything else I use TWAW kydex IWB

Yeah, designed for girls- and that's why I like it. If they can have a slim woman go AIWB or just IWB in slim jeans with a G19 then I have no problems doing it either.

http://www.thewellarmedwoman.com/holsters/in-the-waistband-by-twaw

[lex137]

I use an Ares ranger belt with a cobra buckle. Got mine long before it went up in price and offered all the different color and buckle options. Thinks it's like 4 years old still as good as the day I got it.

[Artema]

I have a High Noon medium duty low rise tuckable for my Walther PPS and a Comptac 2 O'clock for my S&W Model 60. I do AIWB when weather is hot and I'm just in a tshirt. I've had minor issues with mild testicular squishing when sitting or standing (as you lean forward). That issue is easily avoided once identified.

[mcantar18c]

Ariat, believe it or not. As in the guys that make my boots. They have a number of belts that are really very thick. Been using mine for probably a year and a half, carrying a 1911 for a little and a G19.

[Lex_Luthor]

http://www.badgerconcealment.com/collections/holsters/products/copy-of-the-guardian-custom-inside-the-waistband-holster-appendix-model

Just ordered one of these from their eBay store - $29.99

[Artema]

I have tons of IWB holsters, my favorites are AIWB, but I've transitioned during cold weather to wearing a OWB that my shirt and/or jacket just covers. Summer time I'm probably back to AIWB again!

[Lex_Luthor]

Received the holster, and for $30 it's well-made. I didn't like the bulky design of the belt clip location & type of clip used, so I modified it! I had to re-form the kydex a bit. It was easy with a heat gun. I got the new clip from Tandy leather for about $3, and had to bend it a bit to fit the contour of the holster. I think it turned out great!

[hurley842002]

Received the holster, and for $30 it's well-made. I didn't like the bulky design of the belt clip location & type of clip used, so I modified it! I had to re-form the kydex a bit. It was easy with a heat gun. I got the new clip from Tandy leather for about $3, and had to bend it a bit to fit the contour of the holster. I think it turned out great!
Nice! Who is the manufacturer of that holster?

[Lex_Luthor]

Badger Concealment, I posted up a link a couple posts above. Bought it through their ebay store for $29.99, free shipping.

[Hound]

I am with you on this. You are not the only one with this mind set.


To each their own. Level 2 retention holsters, manual safeties, or certain types of carry (ankle, off body, drop leg ect) could all be considered cold carry since they require either fine motor skills, (level 2 holster/ safety) or longer physical movement i.e. Kneeling or stooping to retrieve an ankle peice or reaching halfway down a leg to a drop rig. Wherever Im at I know that I only have one gross motor skill to accomplish before my firearm is ready. The slowest part of my draw stroke is 9/10 lifting the cover garment. Curse you cold weather = multiple layers.


Sent from my PRC 117A in my Batmobile disguised as a sedan.

[mcantar18c]

Can you please elaborate on this? I was taught how to rack the slide by hooking the rear sight on a boot, or belt, or holster, in the event that my left arm/hand is unavailable, but it wasn't an easy or quick move. Please explain. Great thread BTW. Thanks - C
You don't need a stiff edge to rack the slide. I suppose it depends on the slide/recoil spring, but I can rack my 19 on the side of my jeans. I also have a strip of grip tape on the top of the slide.


I have never truly given AIWB a try, but think I might pick up one of these and see. I'm short and skinny (5'6, 145), carrying in winter isn't an issue, with heavier clothing I don't print but shorts and tshirts makes it hard even with sub-compacts. Any short skinny guys have any recommendations for AIWB that have worked?

I'm a 5'9" and 170, but was 145 not that long ago. Haven't had issues concealing full size 1911s or a G19 at either weight, and I wear athletic-cut and "normal" (Hanes t shirt package) shirts all the time. It's more about your actual build than your overall weight/size... having a developed chest and shoulders helps.

[Gunservant]

To answer the OP: an HK USP9 full-size, holster is a Custom Carry Concepts "Shaggy": http://shop.customcarryconcepts.com/Shaggy-AIWB-SHG.htm

I have been carrying it like this for about 18 months now, and it has been the most comfortable method I have yet come across. Even with a handgun of this size.

[GlockMathews]

One piece of advise I can offer for appendix carry is using a single clip holster. It allows you to shift it around if you need to easier.

I guess another ther tip would be to hike your pants before sitting. Makes it a lot more comfortable

[Joe_K]

Multiple reasons.
1. I carry appendix
2. I carry a Glock
3. I like my junk
4. My wife doesnt like the idea of me having one in the tube whilst in the house
5. Staying consistent
6. The Israelis do this hasnt worked out to bad for them.


Sent from my PRC 117A in my Batmobile disguised as a sedan.
I have since changed my views on Condition 3 (Israeli Carry)

A gun without ammo is a really shitty hammer.

[Lex_Luthor]

Thumbs up! I carry appendix, essentially the same as a g-lock. M&P9c

[ray1970]

I'm going to have to read through this thread. Need a nice appendix holster for my Glock 43.

[02ducky]

Good luck Ray, I have been using the KISS system for my appendix carry for awhile now and haven't had any issues with a G-Code (bowers btw). Great holster IMO

[Tinelement]

Zombie revival.....

So a few weeks ago I was trying to get my tacticool on surfing YouTube. I ran across this dude, last line of defense. Looks to be a local Colorado guy. (Maybe he's on here) His appendix carry rig that he makes looks pretty nice. I emailed him and got a response with a great detailed email within a few hours. I kinda shit myself on his price. $140. But, I am still considering it. Anyone try one? What's your thoughts? I would say for $115ish the Incog isn't my favorite. The concept is good. Maybe this better? Discuss.......

Video starts, his holster is on your right. Introduces it at 1:00

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[Joe_K]

For a Kydex holster I'd pass. Your paying for labor. It will break and then your out $140, or have to wait for a warranty replacement. Get an injection molded plastic holster, Raven Concealment Eidolon, or Bladetech Ambi AIWB.

[Tinelement]

For a Kydex holster I'd pass. Your paying for labor. It will break and then your out $140, or have to wait for a warranty replacement. Get an injection molded plastic holster, Raven Concealment Eidolon, or Bladetech Ambi AIWB.

I am interested in the Eidolon. But I what I like about this guys set up is the integrated mag carrier. I should mention I am thinking about this for a Shield and a G26.

[Irving]

For a Kydex holster I'd pass. Your paying for labor. It will break and then your out $140, or have to wait for a warranty replacement. Get an injection molded plastic holster, Raven Concealment Eidolon, or Bladetech Ambi AIWB.

^^^This^^^

EDIT: Integrated mag holster really only works for apendix holsters (which is what we're talking about).

[lex137]

Not a big fan of the bladetech, moved side to side to much cause of the belt clip and how low it made my pistol sit, I did like how light it was and the materials it was made out of. I'm really liking my eclipse gcode holster. Good luck finding something there's a guy who lives in Erie that makes a holster like that (unless it is him didn't watch the video).

[Joe_K]

I am interested in the Eidolon. But I what I like about this guys set up is the integrated mag carrier. I should mention I am thinking about this for a Shield and a G26.
The integrated mag carrier sounds great in theory, generally sucks in practice. For a Shield or smaller sized handgun It might be the bees knees. If you want to try a INCOG G-26 holster let me know, I don't have the integrated mag carrier but it might give you an idea of how it will feel.

[cmailliard]

CompTac has some new holsters coming out for SHOT. http://soldiersystems.net/2016/01/16/comp-tac-victory-gear-introduces-new-q-line-of-holsters-at-shot-2016/#comments

I really liked my CompTac, it was comfortable and and easy draw. I added an XC1 light to my Glock 23 and ended up with an INCOG (not many companies are making a holster with the XC1, yet) and I really like it.

[SouthPaw]

Sometimes I carry AIWB and I use a Phlster Access. Fits my 17 and 19 nicely and it is ambidextrous. I just checked there website and it looks they finally are carrying holsters in stock. Before it was a 4-6 week.

http://www.phlster.com/#!store/c2271

[Tinelement]

The integrated mag carrier sounds great in theory, generally sucks in practice. For a Shield or smaller sized handgun It might be the bees knees. If you want to try a INCOG G-26 holster let me know, I don't have the integrated mag carrier but it might give you an idea of how it will feel.

Thanks for offer. I do have an Incog for my M&P full size. I don't have the mag carrier either. Been debating. I'm not overly happy with it. I really dislike the little ramp on the backside. About ready to cut it off. And I have read quite a few complaints on the retention for the mag caddy being sub par.

Don't know. If I end up ordering one I'll update.

[Tinelement]

Sometimes I carry AIWB and I use a Phlster Access. Fits my 17 and 19 nicely and it is ambidextrous. I just checked there website and it looks they finally are carrying holsters in stock. Before it was a 4-6 week.

http://www.phlster.com/#!store/c2271

Have one for my shield also. Good little holster. I think I posted in another about ordering a mag caddy from him also. His caddies were damn near $50 though.

[Tinelement]

Oh, and since this is the AIWB thread, here is the set up I just picked up from HBAR for my 1911. Damn nice product.

http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa351/tinelement/Gun%20Stuff/AEFF935B-5A5A-4347-BE9F-C18CEA2E5D8B.jpg (http://s1193.photobucket.com/user/tinelement/media/Gun%20Stuff/AEFF935B-5A5A-4347-BE9F-C18CEA2E5D8B.jpg.html)

http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa351/tinelement/Gun%20Stuff/FB7FE1EE-7E1E-49AD-9FEC-72638842735F.jpg (http://s1193.photobucket.com/user/tinelement/media/Gun%20Stuff/FB7FE1EE-7E1E-49AD-9FEC-72638842735F.jpg.html)

[Tinelement]

I could have made that in a one piece unit. Maybe I will make one and see how it turns out. I also lined it all, so its going to be heavier and bulkier than if it was just one layer. I personally like everything lined, it just feels like quality. there are just trade offs.

If you try one out in a G26 or Shield 9 I'll be happy to try it out for you.

I thought about one piece unit with the 1911, but being a full frame if I wear only a tshirt I like to move the gun more centerline and then I can move the mag carrier to IWB weak side.

[Great-Kazoo]

which one should I try first? metal clips or leather straps?

Clips. I really like the IWB for the 26 you did. Thinking of one for the j-frame smith.

[Tinelement]

which one should I try first? metal clips or leather straps?

Try one for the Shield. Probably the smallest package. My thought would be a metal clip centerline of the rig.

[Jtay]

I have GLOCK 23, I normally carry with a holster by aliengear. the only problem I have with that holster is I'm fat. if I don't wear a tank top with it, then I sweat from the holster. Other then that I like the setup

[banks74]

I am really liking the Eidelon so far. I switched to soft loops and have been impressed so far. Definite improvement over their ACR. (Carried in it for several years)

I've also been trying out an incog. I like it a lot too but not as much as the Eidelon.

[ray1970]

That's more junk than I would want shoved down my pants, but it does look pretty comfy and overall I kind of like the design.

I'd love to hear feedback from the owner on how it actually carries.

[Tinelement]

A lot of real estate there. I get it with the clip width though. Would it be possible to use a kydex type clip that fastened on and get the mag over where the clip is?

[Irving]

it really isnt that big. the picture is of a small 11 year old modeling the holster.

That's important. Now it makes more sense why it looks like the gun is sticking out past the hips.

[Tinelement]

I would loose as much unneeded material as you could. When carrying the 1911 set up the mag and gun usually ride about an inch apart.

Don't know how close you can get the gun and mag and make the leather conform. Here is a pic with a g-code clip which is 11/16" wide and the gap between the top of the slide and mag body is 1 1/4". If you think those tolerances are to tight it would probably be easiest to just stick with the 2 separate holster system.

http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa351/tinelement/Gun%20Stuff/727B1523-5B72-446B-8C25-25B72424BAD5.jpg (http://s1193.photobucket.com/user/tinelement/media/Gun%20Stuff/727B1523-5B72-446B-8C25-25B72424BAD5.jpg.html)

[Tinelement]

Well I pulled the pin on a Last Line of Defense appendix holster for the G26. Very nicely made holster. I am pleased with the product. Had it on for 12 hrs now it's really comfy. I'll give my thoughts after some belt time. But so far I'm happy. For the extra $18.50 over an Incog with caddy, I would happily go this route again! And Mike was great to work with.

http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa351/tinelement/Gun%20Stuff/793A9BBB-B885-4DDB-8AC3-BB0545A240C4.jpg (http://s1193.photobucket.com/user/tinelement/media/Gun%20Stuff/793A9BBB-B885-4DDB-8AC3-BB0545A240C4.jpg.html)

[lex137]

Now I have a HBAR holster in the rotation!

[funkymonkey1111]

Going to resurrect this thread and re-ask a question that not a lot of people responded to (though I may have my answer). Thinking about an Eidolon holster--all my carry holsters have clips on them, as it seems that that is more convenience. but, doubt creeps in by reading that the secure leather straps are the way to go. What say ye all?

i understand from carrying for a good while that old clips were crap and could often be pulled out during the draw. now, that seems like less of an issue, and that overall holster retention during physical activity is more of the issue (running, scuffling, etc).

[ray1970]

I don't always carry appendix but, when I do, I prefer leather.

I find the kydex stuff too uncomfortable in that position.

I prefer a single clip myself. Easy on, easy off, and easy to adjust a bit when sitting down if necessary.

I'm pretty low speed, high drag so running or scuffling isn't a big issue for me.

Your mileage may vary.

[funkymonkey1111]

I'm pretty low speed, high drag so running or scuffling isn't a big issue for me.



i would add these seem to be also non big issues for me, but i envision at least a possibility of getting knocked on my rear

[ray1970]

I have pretty good balance and a low center of gravity.
[Coffee]

[Joe_K]

The clips are fine as long as your belt first them. None of my belts fit the Eidolon holster belt clips, so I swapped them out for G-Code clips. The Eidolon gives you the option of a loop on a strut as well.

Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi

[funkymonkey1111]

The clips are fine as long as your belt first them. None of my belts fit the Eidolon holster belt clips, so I swapped them out for G-Code clips. The Eidolon gives you the option of a loop on a strut as well.

Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi

did you find the G code clips superior to the Raven clips, or was it only a fitment issue?

[ClangClang]

Anyone ever used or heard anything about the Ulticlip? I think it would make a great clip for a low profile AIWB rig. Seems to be an ultra-concealable clip that secures to your pants (not the belt), but then rests UNDER your belt so it's invisible. It also appears to be SIGNIFICANTLY more secure than any other clip I've seen. Based on the video, I'm very impressed. Looking for some independent verification though.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzQlZZKYyqc

More videos explaining it here: https://ulticlip.com/media/

[DenverGP]

Anyone ever used or heard anything about the Ulticlip?

My wife has one on her IWB holster for her shield. She likes it a lot...and yes, it hides very well. Clamps onto the pants waistband very tight.

[ray1970]

I thought about trying something similar on the next holster I make. Not sure what theirs cost but a pair of suspenders might get you four of them for a good price. Or we have some old gas monitors lying around at work with a similar clip. Might be able to just take one of those.

Anyhow, I thought it would be a good idea for a small appendix holster to wear without a belt.

[ClangClang]

There's a local (FoCo) holster maker who offers them as a $10 upgrade on any of his holsters. I think I'm gonna go for it and give it a shot. I'll post some reviews here. This will be for a G43, no spare mag, so fairly light weight. But I have a full Stealthgear Onyx IWB for the heavier compact-frame guns.

[Joe_K]

did you find the G code clips superior to the Raven clips, or was it only a fitment issue?
Not superior in any way just that the Eidolon I bought came with 1.5" clips and all my belts are 1.75". I happened to have several spare G-Code clips laying around so I used them rather than pay for new RC ones.

Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi

[Tinelement]

Had a T5 Tactical rig show up for the 1911. Balances the weight of the 1911 really nicely. Looking forward to some saddle time.

http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa351/tinelement/Gun%20Stuff/24A39109-31E5-41E3-A477-96ED9939E7A0.jpg (http://s1193.photobucket.com/user/tinelement/media/Gun%20Stuff/24A39109-31E5-41E3-A477-96ED9939E7A0.jpg.html)

[lex137]

I bought a trex arms sidecar and I'm not liking it as much as I use to, Thinking of switching to a different holster and a non connected mag holder.

[Tinelement]

I bought a trex arms sidecar and I'm not liking it as much as I use to, Thinking of switching to a different holster and a non connected mag holder.

I looked into those, emailed him a few questions and wasn't overly happy with his answers. These T5 were cheaper too.

It's a pretty rig for appendix carry, but so is a 1911. But what can I say.... I'm a gear whore.

[lex137]

For me I just feel like it's getting a little uncomfortable after wearing it 8+ hours.