Shipping/transferring multiple firearms?

[mpatch]

Friend of mine is being given aprox 15 guns (both rifle and handgun) from his wife's grandfather in Ohio and needs the most cost effective and safe way to get them here. Ideas?

[Aloha_Shooter]

Go visit the relatives. It's about a 2-day drive to Ohio, she gets to see her grandfather and they get to transport them back without filing a 4472 or paying for a BGC. Make sure he has enough socks or cases so the guns can all go in the trunk without damaging the furniture.

[mpatch]

Go visit the relatives. It's about a 2-day drive to Ohio, she gets to see her grandfather and they get to transport them back without filing a 4472 or paying for a BGC. Make sure he has enough socks or cases so the guns can all go in the trunk without damaging the furniture.

That was my suggestion. He said that's not and option.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Can Grandpa come visit her? I believe he can overnight mail at least the rifles to himself at her address as long as he's there to receive them. Just drop them off at FedEx or UPS on his way to the airport and he'll know he can sign for them when they arrive.

[hatidua]

Have a dealer there ship them to your dealer here. Individuals (non-dealers) can ship them but they have to go overnight, whereas a dealer can ship them via slower/cheaper methods.

[Circuits]

Not legal for gramps to bring them or for you to go get them - it's interstate transport and requires you to go through an FFL, even among family members, since you do not reside in the same state. He can leave them to you in his will, and if they transfer as part of his estate, they could come directly to the heirs in CO from OH, but only after he's died.

Only legal way to ship them from OH to CO is to ship them to a CO FFL, and the person picking them up goes through BGC.

[BlasterBob]

Not legal for gramps to bring them or for you to go get them - it's interstate transport and requires you to go through an FFL, even among family members, since you do not reside in the same state. He can leave them to you in his will, and if they transfer as part of his estate, they could come directly to the heirs in CO from OH, but only after he's died.

Only legal way to ship them from OH to CO is to ship them to a CO FFL, and the person picking them up goes through BGC.

Circuits is correct on the transfer to be legal.

[mpatch]

Next ? What would be the best way to ship?

[Aloha_Shooter]

Not legal for gramps to bring them or for you to go get them - it's interstate transport and requires you to go through an FFL, even among family members, since you do not reside in the same state. He can leave them to you in his will, and if they transfer as part of his estate, they could come directly to the heirs in CO from OH, but only after he's died.

Only legal way to ship them from OH to CO is to ship them to a CO FFL, and the person picking them up goes through BGC.

I would agree if ownership had already been transferred as in a sale. My thought was that the guns aren't theirs until he actually gives it to them. If they go for a family visit and are given the guns while there, they are transporting their own firearms which is legal. Same situation as when I go visit the CMP North or South Store and buy a Garand on the spot but then take it with me. I don't have to have them ship the rifle.

In the converse situation, Grandpa is transporting his own firearms and hasn't transferred ownership yet.

Of course, you ARE an FFL and I'm not so I'll stick with your opinion but I DO know you can legally purchase at the CMP and drive home across state lines.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Next ? What would be the best way to ship?

CMP uses FedEx Ground or FedEx Home to send out their rifles.

[battle_sight_zero]

Find a FFL who accepts transfers from private individuals. Come to ageement with the FFL on the price that will charged for the transfers. Have the shipper load the firearms into boxes that can handle multiple arms. Ship them.Really dont see why this is complicated, I have received several firearms in shipments before with no issues. For example had one seller send me a 50 cal Serbu, a mauser, and two pistols. One of the pistols was a ppk/s. I remember the ppk was lost in the packing material. We found it thankfully. Either way I miss the days before kids that I could spend money like that. But my point is that shipping multiple guns is no problem.

[BlasterBob]

I would agree if ownership had already been transferred as in a sale. My thought was that the guns aren't theirs until he actually gives it to them. If they go for a family visit and are given the guns while there, they are transporting their own firearms which is legal. Same situation as when I go visit the CMP North or South Store and buy a Garand on the spot but then take it with me. I don't have to have them ship the rifle.

In the converse situation, Grandpa is transporting his own firearms and hasn't transferred ownership yet.

Of course, you ARE an FFL and I'm not so I'll stick with your opinion but I DO know you can legally purchase at the CMP and drive home across state lines.

I guess the thing about buying a rifle at one of the CMP stores and taking it home with you is going to be similar to buying a long gun at an out of State gun shop or an out of State gun show. The 4473 is filled out and a BGC is performed and if you pass that check, you can haul the firearm home with you.
i have never made a purchase in person at one of the CMP stores so I am only guessing that a 4473 is also made at those stores.

[Circuits]

If they go for a family visit and are given the guns while there, they are transporting their own firearms which is legal.
CMP is different in that they are allowed to sell to residents of other states - they're an FFL.

Gramps cannot legally give the guns into their possession, even as a gift, since they do not reside in the same state. He can give them (title to) the guns, but is making an illegal transfer of them across state lines if they don't go through an FFL. The only exceptions are as part of an estate.

[Circuits]

Next ? What would be the best way to ship?
Since handguns are involved, you cannot use USPS, and UPS/FedEx/DHL will require it those to go by some sort of air transport, which costs quite a bit more. Least expensive way is probably going to involve finding a friendly FFL in gramps' state, who can package and ship the whole lot to a Colorado FFL, and can use USPS for everything, including any handguns. The savings in handgun shipping alone will probably take care of any service fee a reasonable FFL would want to charge for that service.

Unless they're high dollar heirlooms, I'd send long guns USPS standard rate and well boxed.

[BlasterBob]

If anyone on the AR-15.CO web site HAS purchased a long gun IN PERSON from one of the CMP stores, will be interesting to see if they did have to fill out a 4473 prior to receiving their firearm (long gun only of course).