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SuperiorDG
12-05-2013, 15:17
Only in NYC. Prime example of personal responsibility of the Lib mentality.

By JAMES C. McKINLEY Jr.
December 4, 2013An unarmed, emotionally disturbed man shot at by the police as he was lurching around traffic (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/16/nyregion/firing-at-man-in-times-square-police-wound-two-bystanders.html) near Times Square in September has been charged with assault, on the theory that he was responsible for bullet wounds suffered by two bystanders, according to an indictment unsealed in State Supreme Court in Manhattan on Wednesday.
The man, Glenn Broadnax, 35, of Brooklyn, created a disturbance on Sept. 14, wading into traffic at 42nd Street and Eighth Avenue and throwing himself into the path of oncoming cars.
A curious crowd grew. Police officers arrived and tried to corral Mr. Broadnax, a 250-pound man. When he reached into his pants pocket, two officers, who, the police said, thought he was pulling a gun, opened fire, missing Mr. Broadnax, but hitting two nearby women. Finally, a police sergeant knocked Mr. Broadnax down with a Taser.
The shootings once again raised questions about the police use of firearms in crowded areas and drew comparisons to a shooting a year ago, when officers struck nine bystanders in front of the Empire State Building when they killed an armed murder suspect.
Initially Mr. Broadnax was arrested on misdemeanor charges of menacing, drug possession and resisting arrest. But the Manhattan district attorney’s office persuaded a grand jury to charge Mr. Broadnax with assault, a felony carrying a maximum sentence of 25 years. Specifically, the nine-count indictment unsealed on Wednesday said Mr. Broadnax “recklessly engaged in conduct which created a grave risk of death.”
“The defendant is the one that created the situation that injured innocent bystanders,” said an assistant district attorney, Shannon Lucey.

The two police officers, who have not been identified, have been placed on administrative duty and their actions are still under investigation by the district attorney’s office, law enforcement officials said. They also face an internal Police Department inquiry.
Mr. Broadnax’s lawyer, Rigodis Appling, said Mr. Broadnax suffered from anxiety and depression and had been disoriented and scared when the police shot at him. He was reaching for his wallet, not a gun, she said. “Mr. Broadnax never imagined his behavior would ever cause the police to shoot at him,” she said.
After his arrest, Mr. Broadnax was taken to Bellevue Hospital Center, where he told a detective that “he was talking to dead relatives in his head and that he tried throwing himself in front of cars to kill himself,” according to a court document released on Wednesday.

A judge ordered a mental evaluation, and a psychiatrist later found Mr. Broadnax competent to stand trial, Ms. Appling said.
On Wednesday, Justice Gregory Carro set bail at $100,000 bond or $50,000 cash.
Mariann Wang, a lawyer representing Sahar Khoshakhlagh, one of the women who was wounded, said the district attorney should be pursuing charges against the two officers who fired their weapons in a crowd, not against Mr. Broadnax. “It’s an incredibly unfortunate use of prosecutorial discretion to be prosecuting a man who didn’t even injure my client,” she said. “It’s the police who injured my client.”

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/12/05/nyregion/unarmed-man-is-charged-with-wounding-bystanders-shot-by-police-near-times-square.html

cysoto
12-05-2013, 15:22
For a minute there, I thought this was an article taken from The Onion.

Yeap! Only in NY... :Face_Palm:

J
12-05-2013, 15:23
Being NY, I'm surprised they didn't charge him with attempted Murder.

I'm all for Felony Murder, when a criminal felony you cause results in the death of another. But an unarmed man who is acting suspicious and perhaps mentally ill reaches into a pocket and police open fire in enough of a panic or with so little training that they miss a 205lb man at short range , and with innocents in the cross fire.... that seems a bit of a stretch.

merl
12-05-2013, 15:23
This one better not go anywhere.. ick.

zteknik
12-05-2013, 15:27
Bloombergs brown shirts in action..
Pathetic...

Great-Kazoo
12-05-2013, 15:31
The on the ground LE story is way different than the news reports.

SuperiorDG
12-05-2013, 15:33
The on the ground LE story is way different than the news reports.

Please tell us more. Link?

Ah Pook
12-05-2013, 15:38
I guess "YOU are responsible for every round out of YOUR firearm" doesn't apply to these guys? [gohome]

lowbeyond
12-05-2013, 15:41
wear magic clothes. shoot anyone you want, blame others. get paid

awesome

Great-Kazoo
12-05-2013, 15:42
I guess "YOU are responsible for every round out of YOUR firearm" doesn't apply to these guys? [gohome]

Absolutely it should apply. However the training / lack of not to mention the percentage of rank & file uniforms who are in it for the money and not law enforcement is disgusting.
Combine those issues with EEOC hirings, less stringent oversight for pre hiring investigators and you have what is basically a politically employed dept.
After 1/1/14 i doubt there will be any LE shootings with DiBlasio in office.

KevDen2005
12-05-2013, 15:56
I would normally say that this won't go anywhere and that the officers and the department will be held accountable....but it is New York. Also acceptable answers would be This is California or This is New Jersey.

ChunkyMonkey
12-05-2013, 16:07
I would normally say that this won't go anywhere and that the officers and the department will be held accountable....but it is New York. Also acceptable answers would be This is California or This is New Jersey.

Its extremely scary to have such thing happening in Amerika

sniper7
12-05-2013, 16:13
I blame the gun manufacturer and the ammo manufacturer. Its obvious the sights were off or the ammo was improperly loaded. that is the only possible thing I can think of.

SuperiorDG
12-05-2013, 16:35
"If" this report is correct, which usually tends to show only one side, then this will set a bad president going forward.

Squeeze
12-05-2013, 16:52
I guess "YOU are responsible for every round out of YOUR firearm" doesn't apply to these guys? [gohome]

That is what I was thinking. Years ago when I went through the police academy, we were taught that every bullet has a name...and that name is "Liability". As a citizen, it is no different. You are ultimately responsible where that shot lands once it leave your barrel. I guess this is a sad attempt at NY trying to compensate for having to mandate quality firearms training for their police force? Of course, NYPD doesn't have much of a decent track record for quality marksmanship. Just "spray & pray" because apparently they aren't going to be held accountable when they miss. I would like to hope that the earth would just open up and swallow that shithole of a city...but then again, who would want to swallow a turd? [facepalm]

KevDen2005
12-05-2013, 16:55
That is what I was thinking. Years ago when I went through the police academy, we were taught that every bullet has a name...and that name is "Liability". As a citizen, it is no different. You are ultimately responsible where that shot lands once it leave your barrel. I guess this is a sad attempt at NY trying to compensate for having to mandate quality firearms training for their police force? Of course, NYPD doesn't have much of a decent track record for quality marksmanship. Just "spray & pray" because apparently they aren't going to be held accountable when they miss. I would like to hope that the earth would just open up and swallow that shithole of a city...but then again, who would want to swallow a turd? [facepalm]


I have no doubt that you have heard of the New York Trigger?

We were taught something similar. Every bullet has a lawyer attached to it.

KevDen2005
12-05-2013, 16:57
"If" this report is correct, which usually tends to show only one side, then this will set a bad president going forward.


I am sorry I have to be the grammar police on this one, because your post is actually funny written this way. Don't we already have a bad president? I know that you do mean a bad precedent.

[Sarcasm2]

Squeeze
12-05-2013, 17:01
I have no doubt that you have heard of the New York Trigger?

We were taught something similar. Every bullet has a lawyer attached to it.

I'm well aware of the "NY Trigger". Bought a Glock years ago that had one in it. It took me all of about 10 minutes to gut it and replace it with a standard 5 lb trigger. Regardless of trigger, those officers should still be held accountable. I would be very curious to know how often NYPD gives their officers actual real training and how often they qualify - and to what standard.

lowbeyond
12-05-2013, 17:09
triggers training. whatever

The cops shot innocent bystanders, and the City is charging some other guy with that crime.

Yea that works.

KevDen2005
12-05-2013, 17:18
I'm well aware of the "NY Trigger". Bought a Glock years ago that had one in it. It took me all of about 10 minutes to gut it and replace it with a standard 5 lb trigger. Regardless of trigger, those officers should still be held accountable. I would be very curious to know how often NYPD gives their officers actual real training and how often they qualify - and to what standard.

That's my point exactly. My opinion of a police department that substitutes training with triggers isn't very good. The point of the NY Trigger is to make the trigger squeeze more than 2 times as hard as it is on normal duty Glock. This is the thought process...it will be harder to pull the trigger so therefore fewer accidental shootings will happen. We all know...especially on this board....that accuracy only comes with training and no tool will change that.

Squeeze
12-05-2013, 18:00
Felt this was needed...

http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i445/TangoDownPro/NYCItyDumb_zps6560489d.jpg (http://s1094.photobucket.com/user/TangoDownPro/media/NYCItyDumb_zps6560489d.jpg.html)

SuperiorDG
12-05-2013, 18:04
Never heard of the NY Trigger, but doesn't a heaver trigger pull make gun less accurate?

KevDen2005
12-05-2013, 18:10
Never heard of the NY Trigger, but doesn't a heaver trigger pull make gun less accurate?

Yes, but pistol shooting shouldn't be nearly as effected since it will be much closer. The thought process is for those that place their booger hooks on the trigger when not ready to fire and then milk the trigger because they are panicking. The heavier trigger will make it harder to pull.

KevDen2005
12-05-2013, 18:11
Note: I don't believe the term "Booger Hook" is in the training manual.

wctriumph
12-05-2013, 18:12
Only in America. [facepalm][facepalm][facepalm]

Squeeze
12-05-2013, 18:18
Note: I don't believe the term "Booger Hook" is in the training manual.

LOL, very true Kev. Perhaps if Bloomturd would donate some of his $$$ to the NYPD to fund high-stress training combined with range time...NYC police wouldn't be so quick to fire under panic. Of course we know Bloomturd is more interested in wasting money sending it to other states to thwart "recall efforts". [ROFL2]

sniper7
12-05-2013, 18:49
Just think, if the cops only had single shot pistols, and only issued 1 firearm and 1 taser per 3 officers, the amount of money and potential thoughtless accidents like this that could be saved?

Squeeze
12-05-2013, 19:15
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RMAC757
12-05-2013, 19:30
http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i445/TangoDownPro/BetterthantheNYPD_zps39a1e3c7.jpg (http://s1094.photobucket.com/user/TangoDownPro/media/BetterthantheNYPD_zps39a1e3c7.jpg.html)

Awesome

Great-Kazoo
12-05-2013, 19:39
That's my point exactly. My opinion of a police department that substitutes training with triggers isn't very good. The point of the NY Trigger is to make the trigger squeeze more than 2 times as hard as it is on normal duty Glock. This is the thought process...it will be harder to pull the trigger so therefore fewer accidental shootings will happen. We all know...especially on this board....that accuracy only comes with training and no tool will change that.

And we all know exactly how much training outside of qualifying most LE's do. To me the nypd has as many officers who actually shoot in their off time as the boulder PD does, not many. Budget restraints, higher up / political mentality, puts actual range time / stress training somewhere below the union supporting a republican for office, in WIS. it is virtually non-existent. I know a few NYPD RO's and the stories i have been told (1st hand) you might as well have Tom Mauser as the firearm inst.

Squeeze
12-05-2013, 21:11
And we all know exactly how much training outside of qualifying most LE's do. To me the nypd has as many officers who actually shoot in their off time as the boulder PD does, not many. Budget restraints, higher up / political mentality, puts actual range time / stress training somewhere below the union supporting a republican for office, in WIS. it is virtually non-existent. I know a few NYPD RO's and the stories i have been told (1st hand) you might as well have Tom Mauser as the firearm inst.

[Eek2]

Singlestack
12-06-2013, 07:38
"If" this report is correct, which usually tends to show only one side, then this will set a bad president going forward.

Perhaps you meant a bad precedent? A bad president is Beeho.....[ROFL2]

Ooops, someone else caught that first!!!

Singlestack
12-06-2013, 07:47
The amazing thing to me (in addition to the terrible marksmanship and discipline of NYPD officers) is the district attorney filing the charges on this. What that says bout the DAs office is amazing...you will never get a fair shake there for anything firearms-related.

merl
12-06-2013, 08:20
The amazing thing to me (in addition to the terrible marksmanship and discipline of NYPD officers) is the district attorney filing the charges on this. What that says bout the DAs office is amazing...you will never get a fair shake there for anything firearms-related.
This strikes me mostly as a CYA maneuver. If they can shift the blame on to the target the officers were firing at it shifts blame away from the department. You know someone is getting sued here, if someone has been convicted they are the responsible party...

crays
12-06-2013, 08:21
It's all about $$$$$$$$$$$$. Shift the blame, duck the lawsuits.


Innocent Bystander: "I believe I'm due some compensation for being shot by a NYPD officer."
NYC: "But it was the crazy man's fault you got shot...sue him."

[pileoshit][pileoshit][pileoshit][pileoshit][pileoshit]

muddywings
12-06-2013, 09:28
Hopefully the following will help build a stronger relationship between the NYPD and the civilians:


http://youtu.be/GXXaj--a6-4








just say'in ;)

Great-Kazoo
12-06-2013, 09:28
It's all about $$$$$$$$$$$$. Shift the blame, duck the lawsuits.


Innocent Bystander: "I believe I'm due some compensation for being shot by a NYPD officer."
NYC: "But it was the crazy man's fault you got shot...sue him."

[pileoshit][pileoshit][pileoshit][pileoshit][pileoshit]


Not defending the DA or that entire mentality, which clearly shows where you stand legal wise in NYC. Yes better training needs to be addressed. I agree,a lot of NYPD has no business in uniform let alone carrying a gun.
BUT............................................... .................................................. ....................

Numerous times the bystanders were asked to move back / get away from the area. Instead they crowded as close as possible to take pics and vids from their phones and other devices of the incident. Does that make them liable ? If your house is on fire and the neighborhood is blocking the hydrant access to the point the FD is unable to fight the fire, is it the FD or neighbors actions that made your home a total loss?

merl
12-06-2013, 09:31
If your house is on fire and the neighborhood is blocking the hydrant access to the point the FD is unable to fight the fire, is it the FD or neighbors actions that made your home a total loss?

It is not my fault that the FD was unable to control it and my neighbors house also burned down. That is pretty much the situation with these charges.

crays
12-06-2013, 09:57
(1) ... Yes better training needs to be addressed. ... BUT............................................... .................................................. ....................

(2) Numerous times the bystanders were asked to move back / get away from the area. Instead they crowded as close as possible to take pics and vids from their phones and other devices of the incident. (3) Does that make them liable ?

(1) Regardless of training level, and (2) an apparent lack of ability to control the scene, it is my opinion that the officer(s) should not have fired into a crowd. Blaming collateral damage on the perp (or even the crowd, as you suggest), is ludicrous, and it is my opinion that NYC is trying to "pass the buck", as it were. And (3) no, it merely points out their stupidity.

I'm just providing my opinion on how the situation presents itself to me.

[mop]

spideyar
12-06-2013, 12:32
So if they had hit the guy, would they still be attempting to charge him with a felony? Perhaps "Felony theft of official NYPD bullets"?

It is frightening that ANY policy from NY City would make it's way out of that toilet. At this point if someone offered me an all-expense paid trip to NY for the SuperBowl next year, I would have to say "ain't no way".

Rambling additional comment: Yesterday on my way home from Cabela's, there were a couple of cop cars parked on the NB on-ramp at I-25 and EB Arapahoe. They appeared to be talking with a panhandler there. The situation appeared completely calm, though I admit I am not sure exactly what was up, but the cops seemed to be either shooing him off or doing a welfare check maybe.

The guy should be glad we don't live in NY - they might have tried to shoot him. Wait, I should be glad we don't live in NY - they might have shot me!

SuperiorDG
12-06-2013, 12:40
So if they had hit the guy, would they still be attempting to charge him with a felony? Perhaps "Felony theft of official NYPD bullets"?

It is frightening that ANY policy from NY City would make it's way out of that toilet. At this point if someone offered me an all-expense paid trip to NY for the SuperBowl next year, I would have to say "ain't no way".

Rambling additional comment: Yesterday on my way home from Cabela's, there were a couple of cop cars parked on the NB on-ramp at I-25 and EB Arapahoe. They appeared to be talking with a panhandler there. The situation appeared completely calm, though I admit I am not sure exactly what was up, but the cops seemed to be either shooing him off or doing a welfare check maybe.

The guy should be glad we don't live in NY - they might have tried to shoot him. Wait, I should be glad we don't live in NY - they might have shot me!

Those panhandlers in NYC are crazy, they will jump on you hood and not get off until you pay them.