View Full Version : Brophy or Tancredo Poll
UrbanWolf
12-07-2013, 00:06
No BS discussion about 1% vs 99%. I just want to see how our member feel about those two.
For me it's Brophy, I've met and talked to him. He has a strong stance for gun rights, and if we can to repeal to laws we need someone who has a strong opinion about it.
Brophy doesn't have tancredos baggage. I actually like tancredo, he doesn't seem electable though.
Aloha_Shooter
12-07-2013, 00:31
I like Tancredo but the only way I'm voting for him is if he wins the Republican primary. Brophy has the right positions and attitudes without Tancredo's baggage.
DeusExMachina
12-07-2013, 00:34
I don't know a lot about Brophy, but the way he handled himself during last legislative session made me a big fan. I didn't know he was running. I hope he's the candidate.
UrbanWolf
12-07-2013, 00:43
Brophy doesn't have tancredos baggage. I actually like tancredo, he doesn't seem electable though.
What you mean by baggage and "doesn't seem electable"?
He's said too many stupid things and made himself out to be a racist in the last election. Lost the softer conservatives and definitely lost the swing voters long ago. He also pissed me off when he split the vote to ensure lickenpooper didn't have opposition last go around. He puts himself above the party. Do you want me to find the specific faux pas from four years ago or are you familiar with them?
BPTactical
12-07-2013, 06:55
I like Tancredo but the only way I'm voting for him is if he wins the Republican primary. Brophy has the right positions and attitudes without Tancredo's baggage.
This^
I like Tanc as well and his no bs stance is sorely needed now. But I will agree he has said some stupid crap in the past and the lefties have capitalized on it quite well and smeared him in the mud.
Can you imagine the negative ad campaign if he became the GOP candidate?
Plus I fear he is too far in the right wing to be electable in this state now.
I met Brophy by chance while picking up some .45 over at Denver Bullets the other night. He seemed like a good guy in general and even knew about HB-1043, which is IMO is worse than either the BGC or Mag laws. I asked what his plan was to repeal all of these laws and got a very generic answer. I told him about this forum, our support for the recalls and generally how active we all are in politics. I also told him the guys on here would want more specifics than he was giving. I don't think Tancredo is electable (too much bagage as others have said. There are too many news bites that make him sound like the guy in Missouri) but Brophy needs to show us a specific plan. I don't know Brophy much at all, just what I have heard on here and a one time 20 min meeting with the guy. I left with a good impression overall but also that itch on the back of my neck wondering if he is for real or just another politician telling you what you want to hear. I told him there are threads on this forum about him and he should get an account to give us his plan. I think that if he does this.... It could go a long way towards scratching that itch for alot of us on here.
If I recall correctly, Brophy is a member here. Tancredo has alienated an awful lot of people with his stances of immigration and welfare (not necessarily wrong, but not mainstream).
Great-Kazoo
12-07-2013, 10:48
Brophy em's us with up to date info. Tancredo only when he want's money. I like Tom and do believe he is on the right track. Unfortunately the media, gang of 4 and OOS special interest groups have a serious ax to grind, after 2 recalls and 1 forced resignation of their Anti-Gun legislatures.
Get tom on the ballot and every penny they have will be spent to discredit, paint him as a racist (illegal amnesty stand) homophobe, child molester, you name it.
brianakell
12-07-2013, 11:11
My prediction. Should Brophy win the primaries, which Ill bet he does, Tancredo will still spend the rest of his time campaigning, just to collect donations, split the vote, and ruin any chance for Brophy to win, even smearing Brophy. Tancredo is a spoiled brat, who, if he does not get his way will throw a fit to ruin it. A vote for Tancredo is a D vote.
DavieD55
12-07-2013, 11:49
Brophy is your man G. [Coffee]
Brophy- had a chance to chat with him this last summer at the Magpul event in Glendale... granted it was about a 2min conversation, but the guy actually had time for someone who wasn't in his district. That speaks volumes to the man's character. And I really like him and how he gave it his all to fight the evil gun grabbers!
Zundfolge
12-07-2013, 14:13
Wow, I expected that to be a little closer ... I really like Brophy but if Tom's the candidate (which I doubt he will be) I'll put a sign in the yard.
My prediction. Should Brophy win the primaries, which Ill bet he does, Tancredo will still spend the rest of his time campaigning, just to collect donations, split the vote, and ruin any chance for Brophy to win, even smearing Brophy. Tancredo is a spoiled brat, who, if he does not get his way will throw a fit to ruin it. A vote for Tancredo is a D vote.
The only reason he got in and split the vote last time (which by the way wouldn't have been enough to win even if there were only one candidate on the right) is because the CO GOP stepped on their dick picking Dan Maes and then sticking with him when they realized he was a con-artist.
If Brophy is the candidate, I expect Tancredo will back him.
BPTactical
12-07-2013, 14:52
Wow, I expected that to be a little closer ... I really like Brophy but if Tom's the candidate (which I doubt he will be) I'll put a sign in the yard.
The only reason he got in and split the vote last time (which by the way wouldn't have been enough to win even if there were only one candidate on the right) is because the CO GOP stepped on their dick picking Dan Maes and then sticking with him when they realized he was a con-artist.
If Brophy is the candidate, I expect Tancredo will back him.
Good post and point. What made Tanc pull the nuclear option last go around was the incompetence of the GOP here.
I think he would back a Brophy or Gessler if he lost in a primary fair and square.
Aloha_Shooter
12-07-2013, 18:07
Get tom on the ballot and every penny they have will be spent to discredit, paint him as a racist (illegal amnesty stand) homophobe, child molester, you name it.
Make no mistake, the liberals will do that with ANYONE on the ballot who is a credible threat to their Communist dominance. They'll just have an easier time of it (and able to spend less money doing so) with Tom.
The only reason he got in and split the vote last time (which by the way wouldn't have been enough to win even if there were only one candidate on the right) is because the CO GOP stepped on their dick picking Dan Maes and then sticking with him when they realized he was a con-artist.
Yes, Hick got more than 50% of the vote by himself but part of the reason for that was not only Tancredo taking most of what anti-Dem vote existed but also because the infighting drove some Republicans and independents away from the polls altogether. Also don't count out massive vote fraud in Pueblo County. I thought Maes was a poor candidate but I also think Hickenlooper would have lost if not for the Republican infighting before the election. However bad Maes was, he wouldn't have been as bad as Hickenlooper has proven to be and I do blame both the state GOP and Tancredo for that.
I agree with every posting above, and I'm a lifelong GOP member active in the party since 1964.
My prediction. Should Brophy win the primaries, which Ill bet he does, Tancredo will still spend the rest of his time campaigning, just to collect donations, split the vote, and ruin any chance for Brophy to win, even smearing Brophy. Tancredo is a spoiled brat, who, if he does not get his way will throw a fit to ruin it. A vote for Tancredo is a D vote.
+1
sent from a soup can and some string..
Brophy is the man we want. If tancredo doesn't support brophy when brophy beats him, he better change is side to the democrats because I will donate to whoever he runs against from that point forward whether it's a D or not. We can't fuck this up. This state needs a change.
newracer
12-07-2013, 20:24
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqalLIbKF_g
Tancredo got half the hispanic vote, something brophy can't come close to. Did I actually see Toms strongest point; (Anti-Illegal Alien) being thought of as a weakness?
When America becomes a third world country, thats it, its over, California till the end of days. That 'republicans' can't figure out the illegal-alien issue shows why they will become extinct in a couple decades at the most. Unbelievable. What kind of 'White middle class Republican' would care if Tom is Anti-illegal. I would think they would care if he wasn't. Unbelievable.
losttrail
12-09-2013, 07:24
I like Tancredo but as others have said, he has too much baggage from past missteps and misspeaks.
I don't know about Brophy enough so won't vote in this poll just yet. Just found out from reading this that he may be a contender.
flan7211
12-09-2013, 22:17
Tancredo is an awesome guy. I'd vote for him anyday, that said Brophy may have a better chance. Brophy/Tancredo Gov/Lt. Gov?
Tancredo could never win a state-wide race in Colorado. His two decade old stance on Immigration alone would be enough to defeat him. Hickenlooper is wounded so perhaps Brophy could do something. He better study up on Bill Owens to figure out how to appeal to the moderates in this state. Without the moderates and swing voters, it is a Hickenlooper victory. Actually, let me rephrase that, unless the moderates and conservatives want to do this together, the Obama agenda in this state will continue. Since Hickenlooper is a Obama puppet, his re-election would be disasterous.
centrarchidae
12-12-2013, 17:02
I like Tanc, but he's damaged goods. He's tied himself to the mast of illegal aliens so tight that nobody will ever want to hear anything that he has to say about anything else, and as a state governor he has damn near no power at all to act on that one issue.
I've voted for him before. I donated money to his campaign in 2010. But this time, I hope he has the grace to just endorse Brophy or whoever the GOP nominee is, and stay out of the limelight.
DavieD55
12-12-2013, 17:49
Tancredo could never win a state-wide race in Colorado. His two decade old stance on Immigration alone would be enough to defeat him. Hickenlooper is wounded so perhaps Brophy could do something. He better study up on Bill Owens to figure out how to appeal to the moderates in this state. Without the moderates and swing voters, it is a Hickenlooper victory. Actually, let me rephrase that, unless the moderates and conservatives want to do this together, the Obama agenda in this state will continue. Since Hickenlooper is a Obama puppet, his re-election would be disasterous.
This is right on the money 100%
screagle2
12-21-2013, 10:53
If you discuss many issues with Brophy, as I have, you will find he is solid on some, and like a leaf in the breeze on others. It is most difficult, if not impossible to ascertain where he might come down on some very important issues.
i agree with him on GCR, but others he is very "pliable".
that is not to say he would not be worlds better than th current.
Tancredo however does not waffle. He is consistent, and that is what is both in his favor, and can work against him. At least with him, there is little doubt where he stands, unlike our current gov., who at times, does not even seem to know where he himself will be next week.
i would hope that all spend considerable time familiarizing themselves with ALL issues likely to come up down the road, not just GC
Bailey Guns
12-21-2013, 11:10
I voted for Brophy because there were only two choices in this poll. But, it's early and the candidate pool is growing. Mike Kopp is now a candidate along with Scott Gessler.
Right now, Mike Kopp is my guy, and someone really strong is gonna have to come along to change my mind. He's as strong a supporter of gun rights as Brophy, former Ranger, former senate minority and majority leader (so he has the experience) and he's very conservative.
As a combat veteran who put his life on the line to defend our freedom, Mike Kopp will not relent until we fully repeal the new gun control laws and allow Colorado to opt out of ObamaCare.
As Governor, Mike will implement his "Blueprint for Leaner Government" to eliminate job-killing regulations and useless government programs, and to put Colorado on a path to limited government and prosperity for decades to come.
If you discuss many issues with Brophy, as I have, you will find he is solid on some, and like a leaf in the breeze on others. It is most difficult, if not impossible to ascertain where he might come down on some very important issues.
i agree with him on GCR, but others he is very "pliable".
that is not to say he would not be worlds better than th current.
Tancredo however does not waffle. He is consistent, and that is what is both in his favor, and can work against him. At least with him, there is little doubt where he stands, unlike our current gov., who at times, does not even seem to know where he himself will be next week.
i would hope that all spend considerable time familiarizing themselves with ALL issues likely to come up down the road, not just GC
Could you elaborate on the bold part above?
Tancredo got half the hispanic vote, something brophy can't come close to. Did I actually see Toms strongest point; (Anti-Illegal Alien) being thought of as a weakness?
When America becomes a third world country, thats it, its over, California till the end of days. That 'republicans' can't figure out the illegal-alien issue shows why they will become extinct in a couple decades at the most. Unbelievable. What kind of 'White middle class Republican' would care if Tom is Anti-illegal. I would think they would care if he wasn't. Unbelievable.
If they cant understand it, or they dont care, then they should be sent to live in a 3rd world slum...Why should be forced to suffer?
This is from an email I received and I am sharing it with permission from the sender. Right now my vote would be for Brophy but I am willing to hear what all candidates have to say.
Hi, all
Mike McApline has arranged a meeting this coming Saturday for recall Hudak volunteers at 6 p.m at MedVed. This meeting will be in the Chrysler building, just west of the Suzuki building we've used in the past.
The agenda will include:
Tom Tancredo coming to solicit help with his campaign for governor.
Before we promised him any help, we told him he'd need to answer some hard questions from the volunteers, and he's very clear on the fact that we are not endorsing him as a group. that will be for each of you to do individually if you so choose.
Bring your questions - yes, your HARD questions - on any issue, and he's here to answer.
We've all met candidates before who won't answer questions - but we realize at this point in our state we can't afford to throw our energy or time or money behind any candidate who won't answer questions BEFORE they're elected.
After Tom's part of the meeting, we will hear from Joe Neville about some upcoming activities we can be involved in if we choose to.
We will hear from Mike about the caucus work - and yes, we're still doing that despite no longer meeting with the Tea Party group specifically. Mike also may have some other options, including the Tancredo campaign, for us to choose from.
And from me, Laura, about some options in my future.
we truly hope you can all be there. Tom was at our HQ a lot of different times, he met a lot of you in person, and he wants to meet you again and answer your questions.
And we would love to reconnect with each and every one of you as the New Year is finally here, and it's been a while since we've talked.
You don't have to RSVP
blacklabel
01-04-2014, 12:14
I'm leaning towards Brophy but need to study up on the other candidates.
mountainjenny
01-13-2014, 12:07
Just got this in my Email:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
JANUARY 13TH, 2013
CONTACT: Jeremy Weathers
(970) 658-4579 x2 (tel:%28970%29%20658-4579%20x2)
jeremy@gregforgovernor.com
Denver, CO- Republican gubernatorial candidate State Senator Greg Brophy (R-Wray) today exposed former Congressman Tom Tancredo's record of supporting gun control.
"Tancredo's record on gun control is actually a little worse than John Hickenlooper's," Brophy said.
On June 18, 1999 Congressman Tom Tancredo voted for H.R. 2122, a bill that would have placed additional restrictions on the sale, transfer, importation and possession of “assault” rifles and magazines with higher than a 10-round capacity. Every other member of the Colorado congressional delegation, including two Democrats, voted against the overreaching bill.
At the time, Rep. Tancredo justified his pro gun control vote to the New York Times by saying, “Life in El Paso County, life on the Western Slope, life in Eastern Colorado, is a lot different than life in Littleton, Colo.” Tancredo argued that, “Guns are an issue” and “Gun control is a bandage.”
After Governor John Hickenlooper signed the 2013 gun control legislation into law, he mirrored Tancredo’s earlier comments when he said, “This is an urban issue which is going to require some inconvenience from rural people.”
"I know it's hard to say no to gun control after a tragedy like Newtown or Columbine, but I did it. Every other Republican in the Colorado House and Senate did it. When the pressure was on, Tom Tancredo wouldn't support the Second Amendment," Brophy said. He went on to say, "Gun control will be a seminal issue of this election; how can Tancredo differentiate himself from Hickenlooper when his record is nearly identical?"
Sen. Brophy added, “Congressman Tancredo touts himself as a conservative gun advocate, but his pro gun control record speaks to the contrary. My record of defending the Second Amendment in Colorado has been steadfast and unwavering. The people of Colorado know they can trust me. I think the Governor will be replaced by someone who has Colorado values instead of New York City values.”
######Senator Greg Brophy is serving the final year of his second term in the Colorado Senate. His campaign for Governor has taken him to all 64 counties in Colorado. For more information about Greg's campaign, visit www.GregForGovernor.com (http://gregbrophyforgovernor.createsend4.com/t/i-l-fghyk-hrilzjd-d/)
DeusExMachina
01-13-2014, 12:20
Tancredo can go to hell.
Didn't Tancredo say he willnot debate any of his GOP opponents?
Zundfolge
01-13-2014, 14:16
So it looks like Tanc is nothing more than a "Mountain Christie"
funkymonkey1111
01-13-2014, 16:39
Man, those "brophy gun club" fundraising levels are hilarious
http://www.gregforgovernor.com/gun-club
Brophy supports in-state tuition for illegal aliens and when he was on Pete's show last week he had no problem with an illegal being chosen over a citizen when it comes to entry to a state college.
Around the 38 minute mark.
http://peterboyles.podbean.com/2014/01/10/peter-boyles-show-jan-10-2014-hr-2/
blacklabel
01-13-2014, 17:20
Man, those "brophy gun club" fundraising levels are hilarious
http://www.gregforgovernor.com/gun-club
He's definitely going all in on the gun control issue.
Man, those "brophy gun club" fundraising levels are hilarious
http://www.gregforgovernor.com/gun-club
I thought .223 was the same as 5.56......here we go again. ;)
http://kdvr.com/2014/01/13/brophy-hits-tancredo-columbine-gun-control-vote/
two shoes
01-13-2014, 19:09
Look at Tanc's gun voting record... http://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/17030/tom-tancredo/37/guns#.UtSN9_n9FY4
Now look at Brophy's: http://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/30047/greg-brophy/37/guns#.UtSOsfn9FY4
Zundfolge
01-13-2014, 19:18
Brophy is CLEARLY more on our side than Tanc ... but if Tanc's the candidate I don't believe he (unlike his opponent Hick) would veto repeals of the mag ban and BGC laws. So while I prefer Brophy I'm not going to get bent out of shape if I can't vote for him in the general.
Anyone know what Gessler's positions are? Didn't find much on that Votesmart site Two Shoes posted.
funkymonkey1111
01-13-2014, 21:09
Tancredo had an A rating from the NRA, and Brophy endorsed him in 2010.
lilpromisedland
01-13-2014, 21:22
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_24874092/colorado-governors-race-greg-brophy-ripstom-tancredo-again
Asked this week about the 2010 endorsement, Brophy said, "I'm the eternal optimist — it's the farmer in me.""He was our best choice in 2010, so I worked really hard for him and lent him my credibility," Brophy said. "No matter how much of an optimist I am, I know not to back a loser twice."
Read more: Colorado governor's race: Greg Brophy rips Tom Tancredo again - The Denver Post (http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_24874092/colorado-governors-race-greg-brophy-ripstom-tancredo-again#ixzz2qL6B62oq) http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_24874092/colorado-governors-race-greg-brophy-ripstom-tancredo-again#ixzz2qL6B62oq
Aloha_Shooter
01-13-2014, 21:30
I thought .223 was the same as 5.56......here we go again. ;)
Not exactly but I think you missed the "and rifles" after the ammo listing for 5.56 (.223 only had ammo) ...
Ahhh! *goes back to staring at the wall*
I've heard some rumors that Glendale mayor, Mike Dunafon might be considering running on the Libertarian ticket... anyone else heard any of this?
UrbanWolf
01-14-2014, 19:13
I've heard some rumors that Glendale mayor, Mike Dunafon might be considering running on the Libertarian ticket... anyone else heard any of this?
No hit on Google.
Brophy is strong on 2A, does not have the baggage that Tancredo does and his vote in favor of offering in-state tuition to illegal immigrants who came here because of their parents' actions (not their own) will play well with Independents and moderate Democrats in the general election.
If Republicans are in it to win, they must nominate a candidate who can appeal to Independents, since they compose 36%+ of Colorado's registered voters and make up the majority of the state's electorate. In a contest against Hick, Brophy's likeability and record will be an asset with Independents seeking an alternative to the current governor.
Zundfolge
01-15-2014, 09:38
If Republicans are in it to win, they must nominate a candidate who can appeal to Independents, since they compose 36%+ of Colorado's registered voters and make up the majority of the state's electorate.
I don't necessarily disagree with that statement but who/what exactly are "the Independents"? I don't believe they are a monolithic group with a common ideology that can be "appealed to".
Some "Independents" are disaffected conservatives that have left the GOP because of their pandering to moderates, some are libertarians, still others are Marxists, and yet others pledge their allegiance to the Reptilian Alien Conspiracy ... how does one "appeal to Independents" when they're such a disparate group?
buffalobo
01-15-2014, 09:49
I don't necessarily disagree with that statement but who/what exactly are "the Independents"? I don't believe they are a monolithic group with a common ideology that can be "appealed to".
Some "Independents" are disaffected conservatives that have left the GOP because of their pandering to moderates, some are libertarians, still others are Marxists, and yet others pledge their intelligence to the Reptilian Alien Conspiracy ... how does one "appeal to Independents" when they're such a disparate group?
IMO majority of independents are in the first two categories you listed and the rest of the spectrum is a small minority. Appeal to them by promoting individual freedom and liberty and actually work towards smaller govt when elected.
I don't necessarily disagree with that statement but who/what exactly are "the Independents"? I don't believe they are a monolithic group with a common ideology that can be "appealed to".
Some "Independents" are disaffected conservatives that have left the GOP because of their pandering to moderates, some are libertarians, still others are Marxists, and yet others pledge their intelligence to the Reptilian Alien Conspiracy ... how does one "appeal to Independents" when they're such a disparate group?
The usual assumption with independents is that the majority of them are in between the two parties. Not true as a whole as you showed but the extreme independents will be voting third party. The ones that matter are the ones in between that can be swayed to vote for either of the big two parties. This shrinks the 36% number but it is still the deciding factor.
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