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On fox news right now. I'm eating breakfast and this news comes on. So wait...Obama wants renewable energy and is now going to let the company kill bald eagles over the next 30 years? I would love to say I'm surprised...but I'm not. just one more item to the list where he is willing to destroy the country and its ideals.
Tinelement
12-07-2013, 07:42
He's killing our freedoms anyway. May as well destroy the symbol also.
killianak9
12-07-2013, 10:06
He's killing our freedoms anyway. May as well destroy the symbol also.
Pretty much all he's good for! Send his ass packing to Kenya on his way to South Africa for Nelson's funeral
Jeffrey Lebowski
12-07-2013, 10:34
They want it all. They want reality to bend in such a way that makes their pipe dreams possible. They want you to have no guns, but they want the police to have them to control you. But they also want police accountability and they also want the police to protect civil liberties. They want inexpensive energy, but they also want it to be green. They want freedom of speech, but they want everyone to agree with them. They want "democracy" but they want the filibuster to go away and for everyone to bend to their desires. They want health insurance for every single human within our borders regardless of citizenship status, but they want this to be inexpensive. They want the rich to pay for everything, but they don't want anyone to be rich. They want the best possible medical care on Earth, but they don't want to pay top dollar for the very best physicians. They want to protect every possible endangered species to the point you can't even use land or water, but they want to feed the entire world. They want exotic batteries for hybrid cars, but they don't want you to mine the earth. They want to lift the 3rd world out of poverty, but they don't want you to open a sweat-shop which starts that cycle of fortune. They also don't want you to outsource low-skilled jobs, but they want you to pay unions top dollar for shoddy work. And they somehow want that chit cheap. They want Keynesian multipliers via stimuluhls, but they want it to happen through multiple levels of government and don't get why it simply doesn't work. Speaking of that, they also want the government to be efficient and to trim "waste, fraud, and abuse" but they don't want to cut government spending. But they want to cut military spending, and still remain safe against radical islam. They want radical islam to be peaceful, too.
Deny wind farm permit: damn tree huggers! [Mad]
Approve wind farm permit: oh no, those poor little birds! [Cry]
They want it all.
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Liberalism is predicated on the lie that you can have it all. For free.
It takes time and millions of innocent lives for people to discover the lie. Apparently this is a price Democrat voters are willing to pay.
It's typical of the marxist tome that the end justifies the means, and the communist elite are willing to sacrifice ecosystem health to satisfy their narrow political goals. Note it's the non democratic communist countries that are the most polluted on earth. It reveals the big lie that socialist/communist system benefits the common man. When you harm nature you harm mankind because humans are a part of nature, not apart from it. Conservation is a conservative value.
Jeffrey Lebowski
12-07-2013, 11:25
Liberalism is predicated on the lie that you can have it all. For free.
It takes time and millions of innocent lives for people to discover the lie. Apparently this is a price Democrat voters are willing to pay.
The problem is that most democrat voters aren't really paying any sort of price.
yea, have to work to pay.
mindfold
12-07-2013, 11:53
This is a standard allowance for wind farms even in the most strict state like kalifornia. This is a non-issue. I couldn't care less. Find a different soap box to bitch about nimrod. Same people would be whining about the .gov NOT allowing a wind farm because of different bird. Not defending Big Ears, but this is the dumbest bitch fest I have seen on here in a while.
Plus,
Ben Franklin's Letter to His Daughter (excerpt)
"For my own part I wish the Bald Eagle had not been chosen the Representative
of our Country. He is a Bird of bad moral Character. He does not get his Living
honestly. You may have seen him perched on some dead Tree near the River, where,
too lazy to fish for himself, he watches the Labour of the Fishing Hawk; and
when that diligent Bird has at length taken a Fish, and is bearing it to his
Nest for the Support of his Mate and young Ones, the Bald Eagle pursues him and
takes it from him.
"With all this Injustice, he is never in good Case but like those among Men
who live by Sharping & Robbing he is generally poor and often very lousy.
Besides he is a rank Coward: The little King Bird not bigger than a
Sparrow attacks him boldly and drives him out of the District. He is therefore
by no means a proper Emblem for the brave and honest Cincinnati of America who
have driven all the King birds from our Country...
"I am on this account not displeased that the Figure is not known as a Bald
Eagle, but looks more like a Turkey. For the Truth the Turkey is in Comparison a
much more respectable Bird, and withal a true original Native of America... He
is besides, though a little vain & silly, a Bird of Courage, and would not
hesitate to attack a Grenadier of the British Guards who should presume to
invade his Farm Yard with a red Coat on."
Deny wind farm permit: damn tree huggers! [Mad]
Approve wind farm permit: oh no, those poor little birds! [Cry]
This
spqrzilla
12-07-2013, 12:22
Deny wind farm permit: damn tree huggers! [Mad]
Approve wind farm permit: oh no, those poor little birds! [Cry]
The point is the hypocrisy of the administration, which has been prosecuting petroleum companies for any protected birds killed by well drilling fluid recovery ponds but giving wind farms a pass on killing protected birds.
Most lawless administration in history.
The problem is that most democrat voters aren't really paying any sort of price.
That's what they think.
By voting for, and giving consent to this "government," they have agreed to open the doors to hell. History is full of examples of how forced collectivism ends.
The laws of physics and mathematics do not change merely because a mob wills it so. You spend money (value) you don't have today, it must be repaid tomorrow--one way or another. The gov can take control of healthcare, discourage production, create resource scarcity, and then must implement rationing--people are denied care en masse.
The natural consequences of Liberalism far outweigh any short-term benefits. It just takes time for these consequences to catch up with us. A Liberal denying knowledge of these consequences is like a water buffalo denying knowledge of the lion who has just latched onto his throat. They can deny all they want, it won't change the reality of what is about to happen.
Watch Obamacare carefully. In another few months you will see Democrats and Obama voters demanding a repeal to go back to 2009. The consequences will catch up to their entitled asses. Unfortunately, there is no orderly (read peaceful) way out.
Find a different soap box to bitch about nimrod
You lost me right here. with that, you sir can go fuck yourself. Learn some respect.
Jeffrey Lebowski
12-07-2013, 13:08
That's what they think.
By voting for, and giving consent to this "government," they have agreed to open the doors to hell. History is full of examples of how forced collectivism ends.
The laws of physics and mathematics do not change merely because a mob wills it so. You spend money (value) you don't have today, it must be repaid tomorrow--one way or another. The gov can take control of healthcare, discourage production, create resource scarcity, and then must implement rationing--people are denied care en masse.
The natural consequences of Liberalism far outweigh any short-term benefits. It just takes time for these consequences to catch up with us. A Liberal denying knowledge of these consequences is like a water buffalo denying knowledge of the lion who has just latched onto his throat. They can deny all they want, it won't change the reality of what is about to happen.
Watch Obamacare carefully. In another few months you will see Democrats and Obama voters demanding a repeal to go back to 2009. The consequences will catch up to their entitled asses. Unfortunately, there is no orderly (read peaceful) way out.
I can't disagree with any of what you said as it pertains to you and me.
But if you are a "gimmedat" the devaluing of currency, the outsourcing of jobs, the gun control, the free speech issues - they don't matter to you. It doesn't matter if cheese is $0.50 or $5. You're getting it from the government anyway.
Others really are true believers that want misery for all since we cannot have success for all. It is sad. I don't see democrats wanting to "go back" on anything, especially healthcare. They'll press on forward to single payer when they find out how much this doesn't work. Doesn't matter what worked before, or what problems England and Canada have demonstrated - our liberals are smarter and despite socialism having a batting average around .000, they'll be convinced they can get the first bunt single.
mindfold
12-07-2013, 13:48
You lost me right here. with that, you sir can go fuck yourself. Learn some respect.
I was a bit confused by your statement.....the "nimrod" I was referring to was Obama. Not the OP.
I can't disagree with any of what you said as it pertains to you and me.
But if you are a "gimmedat" the devaluing of currency, the outsourcing of jobs, the gun control, the free speech issues - they don't matter to you. It doesn't matter if cheese is $0.50 or $5. You're getting it from the government anyway.
Others really are true believers that want misery for all since we cannot have success for all. It is sad. I don't see democrats wanting to "go back" on anything, especially healthcare. They'll press on forward to single payer when they find out how much this doesn't work. Doesn't matter what worked before, or what problems England and Canada have demonstrated - our liberals are smarter and despite socialism having a batting average around .000, they'll be convinced they can get the first bunt single.
Yes, they're getting it from the gov today. When the collectivists succeed in "centralizing the means of production" and we have the same resource scarcity with food, housing, and energy that we have healthcare, then what? The Obama voters are a thing that is being used (democracy). Those things will be discarded when the risks of keeping them outweigh the reward.
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/11/08/megyn-kellys-devastation-at-mans-life-or-death-decision-due-to-obamacare-86753
Bill Elliot, who voted for President Obama, contacted “The Kelly File” via Facebook and said he can no longer afford to pay his medical bills and does not want to take on the new costs because he does not want to put a “burden” on his family, according to Fox News.Saying he feels “misled,” Elliott told Kelly his new insurance will cost him $1,500 per month with a $13,000 deductible, adding that he will opt to pay the minimal fine for not having health insurance and “will just let nature take its course.”
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Is Bill Elliot still getting it? He just put himself in the ground! And we are two months in. Wait until next year! Guys like Elliot will be demanding to go back to a "system" that worked--2009.
They'll all want to go back but it's too late. And if they try to "unvote" this Regime (to include any Dem) we'll see the end of free democratic elections. We are naïve to think they would consolidate power in the Executive Branch, as they have, and then give it up.
Now apply Obamacare to food, housing, etc, etc, etc.... And yes, this is the same model they will use to gain control over all aspects of our lives (if we let them). You bring up a good point about food inflation--it's all fun and games for the FSA. Until they destroy the dollar. Then what? Rations? Again, look at history... How did that work out for the Soviets? The Chinese? Welfare works today because 90 million Americans are still willing to get up and go to work every day and fund it. If they succeed in destroying individual incentives through taxations (or inflation), then what? You think the average Obama voter can survive that?
Even Liberal workers will have a problem with this. If they are so charitable to give up their paycheck for the FSA, then why aren't they donating their entire paycheck to charity in the status quo? US Treasury will also accept any and all donations--no one ever donates to reduce the debt/fund programs. Working Liberals, many of whom are very wealthy are some of the biggest hypocrites you will ever meet in this world. When the Regime puts the gun to their head, they too will squeal to go "back."
Jeffrey Lebowski
12-07-2013, 15:05
Yes, they're getting it from the gov today. When the collectivists succeed in "centralizing the means of production" and we have the same resource scarcity with food, housing, and energy that we have healthcare, then what? The Obama voters are a thing that is being used (democracy). Those things will be discarded when the risks of keeping them outweigh the reward.
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/11/08/megyn-kellys-devastation-at-mans-life-or-death-decision-due-to-obamacare-86753
Is Bill Elliot still getting it? He just put himself in the ground! And we are two months in. Wait until next year! Guys like Elliot will be demanding to go back to a "system" that worked--2009.
They'll all want to go back but it's too late. And if they try to "unvote" this Regime (to include any Dem) we'll see the end of free democratic elections. We are naïve to think they would consolidate power in the Executive Branch, as they have, and then give it up.
Now apply Obamacare to food, housing, etc, etc, etc.... And yes, this is the same model they will use to gain control over all aspects of our lives (if we let them). You bring up a good point about food inflation--it's all fun and games for the FSA. Until they destroy the dollar. Then what? Rations? Again, look at history... How did that work out for the Soviets? The Chinese? Welfare works today because 90 million Americans are still willing to get up and go to work every day and fund it. If they succeed in destroying individual incentives through taxations (or inflation), then what? You think the average Obama voter can survive that?
Even Liberal workers will have a problem with this. If they are so charitable to give up their paycheck for the FSA, then why aren't they donating their entire paycheck to charity in the status quo? US Treasury will also accept any and all donations--no one ever donates to reduce the debt/fund programs. Working Liberals, many of whom are very wealthy are some of the biggest hypocrites you will ever meet in this world. When the Regime puts the gun to their head, they too will squeal to go "back."
Bill Elliot will switch to using to using the emergency department as primary care. Am I convinced he is getting it or will want to "go back?"
I'm not, personally.
Indeed, look at the Soviets and Chinese. The Chinese are still forcing this to work (+/- being propped up by HK), and in the case of Russia it took the better part of a century to reverse that and they still aren't where we are. I truly don't think these voters today want freedom and individual responsibility. I very much believe in my heart there is a sizeable population who would rather be taken care of no matter how scarce resources get. If that weren't true of humanity, Russia and China would've "unwound" much more quickly.
Bill Elliot will switch to using to using the emergency department as primary care. Am I convinced he is getting it or will want to "go back?"
I'm not, personally.
Indeed, look at the Soviets and Chinese. The Chinese are still forcing this to work (+/- being propped up by HK), and in the case of Russia it took the better part of a century to reverse that and they still aren't where we are. I truly don't think these voters today want freedom and individual responsibility. I very much believe in my heart there is a sizeable population who would rather be taken care of no matter how scarce resources get. If that weren't true of humanity, Russia and China would've "unwound" much more quickly.
Oh, I agree with you 100%. That is what they want. My point is the law of mathematics and physics make it impossible. They will cause more pain than they seek to alleviate. And it will put millions in the ground as it always has throughout history.
The Elliot guy isn't going to treatment for cancer in the ER. That is where he may finally die, on our dime or not. Part of his decision was not wanting to bankrupt his family, so I have to believe he has some assets worth protecting. He needs an oncologist and that isn't going to happen in the ER.
Oh, and the Regime is now auditing him to make an example out of him for speaking out...
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-obama-care/120313-681526-cancer-patient-bill-elliott-audited-over-obamacare.htm
This is the rewards of Liberalism.
The collectivists do not use welfare once they are in power. It is merely a means to their end. The reason Russia/China have/are taking a century to unwind is because their tyrannical governments never give up control once they have seized it. It wasn't the People who propped up these governments wanting more welfare for the last 100+ years. The People hated these governments but they were powerless to remove them and feared so much as speaking out against them.
Why do you think they are coming after our ARs and not our semi-auto pistols? ARs are seldom used in crime but are now a "public safety issue." The semi-auto pistol used almost exclusively by Obama's sons to murder each other are never discussed. ARs, with standard cap mags, are the force multipliers we would need to unseat the Regime.
Also precisely why we will likely never have a Conservative President ever again--they will not give up that power.
Jeffrey Lebowski
12-07-2013, 16:07
I bet the hospital won't turn him down. He'll be written off. It happens all the time and is partly why all this costs so much.
The ruling on the wind farm actually says it will allow them to build and maintain wind farms in that area as long as the company has measures in place to limit harm to all avians.
I bet the hospital won't turn him down. He'll be written off. It happens all the time and is partly why all this costs so much.
I don't mean to be argumentative, but I don't know how anyone can make these assumptions.
The healthcare system is about to be squeezed like never before. A white, middle class, male being denied care wouldn't make the news. And if you are watching the media now, you already see it. Fox is the only one to come close to reporting the truth of what they have done and even they are holding back (I could only speculate as to why).
And Liberals are about to experience that truth first hand...
Personally, I'm fucking sick of some posters referring to every single black person as "Obama's son." Yeah, he said it. And it was stupid then. And it's definitely stupid now. If you want to say blacks, just fucking say it.
Jeffrey Lebowski
12-08-2013, 13:14
I don't mean to be argumentative, but I don't know how anyone can make these assumptions.
The healthcare system is about to be squeezed like never before. A white, middle class, male being denied care wouldn't make the news. And if you are watching the media now, you already see it. Fox is the only one to come close to reporting the truth of what they have done and even they are holding back (I could only speculate as to why).
And Liberals are about to experience that truth first hand...
Because I've worked in several hospitals and have seen it?
Because I've worked in several hospitals and have seen it?
My wife worked in healthcare for nine years--six of those for a specialist. She had multiple patients that couldn't afford surgery (the hospital bills for everything but the surgeon who worked in her office) and never got treatment and many refused by Medicare for treatment they needed. This was pre-Obamacare. Some of this was the patient making the same decision that Bill Elliot has to make; get care and bankrupt his family or "accept his fate."
If you've seen people in the ER get treatment for urgent conditions, that is different--completely different from the Bill Elliot example I brought up. There are mandatory treatment laws that cover urgent care.
Personally, I'm fucking sick of some posters referring to every single black person as "Obama's son." Yeah, he said it. And it was stupid then. And it's definitely stupid now. If you want to say blacks, just fucking say it.
Obama's son is a good-for-nothing thug.
To call all blacks "Obama's son" would be offensive. Notice Obama doesn't stick up for decent hard-working black folks, he stuck up for known thug--that is why I use that phrase.
And yes, even black folks cross the street when they see one of Obama's sons coming.
Jeffrey Lebowski
12-08-2013, 14:54
My wife worked in healthcare for nine years--six of those for a specialist. She had multiple patients that couldn't afford surgery (the hospital bills for everything but the surgeon who worked in her office) and never got treatment and many refused by Medicare for treatment they needed. This was pre-Obamacare. Some of this was the patient making the same decision that Bill Elliot has to make; get care and bankrupt his family or "accept his fate."
If you've seen people in the ER get treatment for urgent conditions, that is different--completely different from the Bill Elliot example I brought up. There are mandatory treatment laws that cover urgent care.
Going back almost 20, I've worked as an EMT, a resident, a clinical pharmacist in the ICU and on the floors, and a business manager, and I'm a cancer survivor myself. I really don't know what you want to argue.[Dunno] Your wife hasn't seen it, therefore I must be imagining those days back on rounds when we had to care for all those uninsured (including cancer) over 6 different hospital settings, all of which were non-profit. I appreciate the orientation around mandatory treatment laws, though. These aren't assumptions, I'd just call it pieces of my career path.
Edit: If you want to believe it never happens outside of an ER, well [Dunno] that's fine too. It isn't correct, but it is fine by me.
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