View Full Version : What AR-15 223 suppressor are you guys running?
SouthPaw
12-07-2013, 14:04
Next month my plan is to pick up a suppressor for my SBR that I am waiting for my stamp for. I've been reading none stop and researching but wanted to hear your guys' opinion. It's going on a 11.5 upper. I am still do not have a preference on thread on vs QD. AAC and GemTech seem to keep popping up. My budget is -$1000 including my stamp fee. Any suggestions?
Would be good if you gave us a little bit more info on what matters to you. The most quiet can out there? The most flexibility, most wear-resistant, cost, etc? That might change what gets recommended, as you have a lot of good options.
It's an oversimplification, but in general a lot of the long range target guys prefer thread-on to help with shift predictability. QD is by far more popular with the bulk of AR-15 lovers, due to flexibility and ease of use. With 11.5 upper, I'm assuming you're not shooting long-range as much, so you're probably going to want to go with a QD mount, and a good strong suppressor to deal with all that pressure from your short setup.
I shoot my 10.5 noveske with an AAC 51t - it'll fit my m4-2000 or my 762sdn6 easily. If you go that direction, do a little searching on the difference between the pure flash hider, the brake, and the hybrid mount. I would recommend you consider either the hybrid or the brake, due to the fact it acts as a first "blast baffle" in a way, which saves wear and tear on your can. I'd bet at this point that AAC's 51T is probably the most common QD mount system out there. Several other manufacturer's make compatible adapters or cans. Silencerco does, even our board member 10mm-man from Double D is working on a can compatible with 51T.
Anyway, lots of good options for 223. You really can't go wrong with AAC, Silencerco, SWR, Thunderbeast, etc.
It's going on a 11.5 upper. .................. Any suggestions?
Make sure your research puts blast baffle durability in the top half of the list. I'd like to add another rifle suppressor to the stamp collection and when I consider the price of the suppressor + $200 stamp + 12 month wait, any future cans I'll be using on an SBR will have durability/lifespan as my primary focus when choosing which one. I'm currently running a .30 can on my 5.56 11.5" upper and even with the larger bore I'm seeing baffle erosion. Sure, you can have baffles replaced, but the suppressors I have that were built with durability in mind make that occurrence less of an issue.
Lastly, make peace with the fact that by the time your stamp is approved, there'll be a newer/better/lighter/cheaper/quieter can being advertised, that's just the nature of the beast.
SF Mini is what I am using.
With the brake adaptor hopefully the brake baffles will take some of the abuse instead of the suppressor baffles. But I dont shoot my 11.5 that much.
http://www.gem-tech.com/store/pc/HALO-p86.htm
Great-Kazoo
12-07-2013, 15:21
http://www.gem-tech.com/store/pc/HALO-p86.htm
I have the Halo , an AAC M4-2K, then 2 DD somewhere between here and there. Stop in and road test a few.
SouthPaw
12-07-2013, 16:07
I have the Halo , an AAC M4-2K, then 2 DD somewhere between here and there. Stop in and road test a few.
do you prefer the halo or the AAC? Maybe once it warms up I can swing and pick your brain and round test a few.
DeusExMachina
12-07-2013, 16:18
SF Mini is what I am using.
With the brake adaptor hopefully the brake baffles will take some of the abuse instead of the suppressor baffles. But I dont shoot my 11.5 that much.
I'm using the less baller AAC Mini4. Same for the brake. However, shooting the 10.5" with the brake is like a grenade going off.
I have the Halo , an AAC M4-2K, then 2 DD somewhere between here and there. Stop in and road test a few.
Any chance I can take you up on that Jim?
Great-Kazoo
12-07-2013, 17:54
do you prefer the halo or the AAC? Maybe once it warms up I can swing and pick your brain and round test a few.
Warms up?? Crime never waits for a nice day, or do no knock entrants. You kids are weak ;)
Any chance I can take you up on that Jim?
any time.
YHM Ti QD 5.56. I run the muzzle brake an the shorter barrel and a hinder on the longer barrel. The up side to the QD mounts is that the can coming lose is less of an issue. Make sure you research the qd mount styles. Some work better than others.
paddywagon
12-08-2013, 12:36
I bought a Specwar 7.62 for multi cal use. Am waiting the eternal wait. After quite a bit of research I wound up going with that being they appear to have the best sound suppression for 5.56, 300AAC and 7.62. I had time on my side before I bought so I spent quite a bit of time asking questions and researching. The Specwar is a bit heavier than others, but it is full auto rated.
muddywings
12-09-2013, 14:56
waiting on my gemtech Trek that Chris from silent precision ordered for me. Don't plan on taking it on/off so went with the simple thread on. This will be my second AR and will be an 11.5 SBR. (waiting on that too :( )
Anyone know anything about the Shadow Ops suppressors?
I run an S.A.S. Ti 5.56 direct thread on everything from my .223 AR, .204 AR, .17/204 bolt, .17 Rem. bolt, 17 Fireball bolt, and .204 bolt rifle and am happy with it on all of them. On my 3rd season with it.
TheBelly
12-10-2013, 11:16
I'm running a Gemtech Trek. It's simple, inexpensive, and the thread on works for me.
SouthPaw
12-10-2013, 13:34
waiting on my gemtech Trek that Chris from silent precision ordered for me. Don't plan on taking it on/off so went with the simple thread on. This will be my second AR and will be an 11.5 SBR. (waiting on that too :( )
I have been talking to Chris and he is very helpful! Seems like a good out fit.
Yhm ss phantom. No complaints. Pdogs and yotes Dont know what's happening.
ANADRILL
12-12-2013, 16:21
aac 7.62sdn6
RANGERRON72
12-14-2013, 12:42
poi Thunderbeast 223P-1..........
SouthPaw
12-14-2013, 15:43
I am still torn on a few models. I like the halo and YHM 30 cal phantom. Both can be used with a quick detach but the phantom would be more universal. I like the idea of being able to run on it multiple guns too.
SouthPaw
07-25-2014, 15:51
Back from the dead!
Finally moving forward with my suppressor purchase [Beer]. After researching all day I 'think' I have decided on a 30 cal QD can. This can mostly will be ran on 5.56 and eventually a .308 bolt gun/semi (I like to plan for the future). I am sure like any NFA item, they are addicting and I plan on adding more in the future. I have it narrowed down to the following cans.
YHM 4300 Ti 30 cal QD
AAC 762SDN6 QD
It seems you can get the similar noise reduction from a 7.62 can vs a 5.56 can when shooting 5.56 through it. I will probably end up looking at a 5.56 specific can later down the road. Can anyone provide me with some further insight? Some suggestions on why you purchased your can and where? I have been talking to Chris @ Silent Precision and he has been very helpful.
For the price of the AAC 762 SDN6, I would go with a Silencerco 762 Saker. The AAC mounts are too well known to have crappy lock up and wiggle. Plus you can take the 762 Saker end plate off and put on a 556 Saker end plate to further increase the noise suppression.
SouthPaw
07-25-2014, 16:51
For the price of the AAC 762 SDN6, I would go with a Silencerco 762 Saker. The AAC mounts are too well known to have crappy lock up and wiggle. Plus you can take the 762 Saker end plate off and put on a 556 Saker end plate to further increase the noise suppression.
I've been reading that the AAC mounts were junk in their earlier models but have since improved since then? I keep going back to the YHM models and really can't find anything bad about them. I appreciate your feedback and will look into the Saker.
For the price of the AAC 762 SDN6, I would go with a Silencerco 762 Saker. The AAC mounts are too well known to have crappy lock up and wiggle. Plus you can take the 762 Saker end plate off and put on a 556 Saker end plate to further increase the noise suppression.
With 10+ Breakouts I can safely say that is cow puckey. All mine lock up nice and tight.
For the price of the AAC 762 SDN6, I would go with a Silencerco 762 Saker. The AAC mounts are too well known to have crappy lock up and wiggle. Plus you can take the 762 Saker end plate off and put on a 556 Saker end plate to further increase the noise suppression.
More importantly, the AAC of the past is not the AAC of today. Its too bad, but a lot of the talent and care about quality of the product has left the building.
Delfuego
07-25-2014, 19:02
If your looking into a 30 caliber titanium can, you should really look at a ThunderBeast. They are a local company with great product and great CS. They have new brake attached models in 7" & 9". If you will ever shoot this on a precision bolt rifle, it will be worth it. Chris sells these also.
With 10+ Breakouts I can safely say that is cow puckey. All mine lock up nice and tight.
Sorry but it is not "cow puckey". It is well documented. To the point that ACC is continuing to engineer newer mounts with additional teeth to try to alleviate the wobbles. If you have 10+ mounts that all lock without issue, then you are definitely in the minority not the majority.
Go with the YHM. Mine are great, all the mounts work perfect and swapping between short barrel and long barrel rifles has never given me any problems.
SouthPaw
07-26-2014, 09:28
Silent Precision has been leaning me towards the AAC. I have read about wobble and he did acknowledge it. He said his personal SDN6 does wobble but he has never had an issue with it. I do like Saker 762 so hopefully Chris has one in stock. Got my trust paper work filled last night with NFATrustGuy here on the board and I'm already getting anxious!
HBARleatherneck
07-26-2014, 14:45
i have Thunderbeast. You can come out and shoot them, if you want to try. bring ammo.
338, 30, 223, 22lr
paddywagon
07-27-2014, 06:52
I have a Silencerco Specwar 7.62 I use for multi cal. A little heavy but it is full auto rated. For me it is a hard one to beat.
SouthPaw
07-28-2014, 14:49
Sorry but it is not "cow puckey". It is well documented. To the point that ACC is continuing to engineer newer mounts with additional teeth to try to alleviate the wobbles. If you have 10+ mounts that all lock without issue, then you are definitely in the minority not the majority.
From everything I have been reading, I always seem to find someone that has 'issues' with AAC mounting system. Most have just said it does have wiggle but it has not caused any actual issues. I was kind of put off by that and spending that much money, it is not something I am willing to live with. It is the same price as the Saker 762 when you factor in that you have to buy a $100 mount separately. I emailed AAC inquiring about what they rated the SDN6 for 7.62x39 for barrel length. Their reply "We have never rated the SDN-6 for 7.62x39 so we are unable to comment on what that barrel length would be." [facepalm]
Go with the YHM. Mine are great, all the mounts work perfect and swapping between short barrel and long barrel rifles has never given me any problems.
I actually have really been looking at YHM lately. I cannot find any bad reviews or anything I do not like about them. Chris initially suggested their 30 cal LT Phantom when I first contacted him about a suppressor that fits my needs. I cannot find anything the Saker or AAC does that the Phantom doesn't do. Sure the Saker is rated for shorter barrels but I see no purpose on suppressing a 7.5'' AR-15 in 5.56. Future build would be a 300 blackout for anything short. The can is cheaper, the mounts are cheaper, the mount locks up tight and the performance is the same. I can't see how I could go wrong with the Phantom.
i have Thunderbeast. You can come out and shoot them, if you want to try. bring ammo.
338, 30, 223, 22lr
Thanks for the offer. Maybe the next time I am headed that way I can give you heads up and take you up on that. Here I thought you would be supplying the ammo at wal-mart prices five years ago [Beer].
I will continue my research but after really looking at the big picture, I think the YHM Phantom is my choice. I was a little caught up in the Saker and SDN6 but after reading constantly day and night for the last week, I can't justify the $200-$300 price difference.
Sounds like you're getting a lot of good info.
FWIW, I like my SDN6. They also sell extremely well, for better or worse there are a lot of them out there. YHM and Silencerco of course also make great cans.
Watch for promotions as you compare pricing. I'm sure you're already aware of the current AAC and silencerco discounts - if not PM me and I'll dig up the fliers and forward them over.
Great-Kazoo
07-28-2014, 16:59
Considering you live 15-20 min from me and haven't come out to road test a few suppressors, how can you make a decision? Even better meet up @ Hbar's and really road test different ones. Or don't you have that much ammo [LOL]
I currently own the YHM 7.62 Ti Phantom and YHM 7.62 SS Phantom M2 and have to say I am very happy with both of them, I use them for 223, 308, and 300BLK. I really like the new design of the M2 cans, if i remember correctly they meter a little bit better than the LT but they weigh a bit more(In hindsight I say go with less weight for 1-2db less). The QD lock system that YHM uses is very smart, it forces positive pressure against the can to prevent it from backing off, mine have never once backed off, like some others I have(pistols). I highly recommend them for that and especially if you have goofy thread patterns like the FS2000, they make a QD brake for just about every gun thread out there, no need to get barrels re-threaded.
I have the Ti and a SS though because one is super light and the other is a brick when at the end of a long barrel. I use the SS M2 on my 300Blk and it doesnt weigh much hanging on an 8" barrel compared to a thin 16" SCAR Barrel and it on the 300Blk it works AMAZINGLY well. Not sure if you have heard a 223 or 308 in person but it is just barely hearing safe and subsonic rounds in those calibers are almost non-existent due to keyholing and other stabilizing issues, there are some guys out there who have figured out a formula, but from my research it is not repeatable. The 300Blk is amazingly quiet though, I am extremely happy with that gun and the suppressor.
Due to amendment 41p I did go full retard and buy a YHM SS 5.56 M2 because I was worried it was a now or never situation and it is currently in process so I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet. I was arguing with myself that those few less inches would make it worth it over using the 7.62 can, maybe I will know for sure in 6 months...but I would say stick with multiuse cans like the 30cal for 223, 308, and 300blk. (sorry no pics of the SS M2)
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii178/s4mur41h4x0r/223SBRSupx800_zpsda78226a.jpg (http://s264.photobucket.com/user/s4mur41h4x0r/media/223SBRSupx800_zpsda78226a.jpg.html)
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii178/s4mur41h4x0r/300SBRSup_zps0ee462d9.jpg (http://s264.photobucket.com/user/s4mur41h4x0r/media/300SBRSup_zps0ee462d9.jpg.html)
Happy Hunting!
SouthPaw
07-28-2014, 17:54
Sounds like you're getting a lot of good info.
FWIW, I like my SDN6. They also sell extremely well, for better or worse there are a lot of them out there. YHM and Silencerco of course also make great cans.
Watch for promotions as you compare pricing. I'm sure you're already aware of the current AAC and silencerco discounts - if not PM me and I'll dig up the fliers and forward them over.
I am sure I would be 100% happy with an SDN6 as many are. Every dealer I called recommended the SDN6 and also acknowledged the wobble. I figured for less money, same suppression, why not go with the cheaper can? I know AAC has a promotion for $200 store credit (which really equals $100 since you have buy at least one mount). I wasn't aware of any for the Saker 762. PM sent for the info on SiCo.
Considering you live 15-20 min from me and haven't come out to road test a few suppressors, how can you make a decision? Even better meet up @ Hbar's and really road test different ones. Or don't you have that much ammo [LOL]
I know, maybe when I get back from AZ I can make arrangements to stop by and see what you have.
I currently own the YHM 7.62 Ti Phantom and YHM 7.62 SS Phantom M2 and have to say I am very happy with both of them, I use them for 223, 308, and 300BLK. I really like the new design of the M2 cans, if i remember correctly they meter a little bit better than the LT but they weigh a bit more(In hindsight I say go with less weight for 1-2db less). The QD lock system that YHM uses......Happy Hunting!
That is what I was hoping to hear. I think for the price and quality it really can't be beat. Glad to see someone post with first hand experience with them.
Would be good if you gave us a little bit more info on what matters to you. The most quiet can out there? The most flexibility, most wear-resistant, cost, etc? That might change what gets recommended, as you have a lot of good options.
It's an oversimplification, but in general a lot of the long range target guys prefer thread-on to help with shift predictability. QD is by far more popular with the bulk of AR-15 lovers, due to flexibility and ease of use. With 11.5 upper, I'm assuming you're not shooting long-range as much, so you're probably going to want to go with a QD mount, and a good strong suppressor to deal with all that pressure from your short setup.
I shoot my 10.5 noveske with an AAC 51t - it'll fit my m4-2000 or my 762sdn6 easily. If you go that direction, do a little searching on the difference between the pure flash hider, the brake, and the hybrid mount. I would recommend you consider either the hybrid or the brake, due to the fact it acts as a first "blast baffle" in a way, which saves wear and tear on your can. I'd bet at this point that AAC's 51T is probably the most common QD mount system out there. Several other manufacturer's make compatible adapters or cans. Silencerco does, even our board member 10mm-man from Double D is working on a can compatible with 51T.
Anyway, lots of good options for 223. You really can't go wrong with AAC, Silencerco, SWR, Thunderbeast, etc.
I would also avoid the AAC 51T flashider only mounts do to tuning fork ring. I regret having one pinned on my Noveske 14.5 instead of the combo brake/FS.
Otherwise, mine all lock up tight enough for my purposes. They'll tighten up plenty after a few rounds if'n they're a bit loosey goosey anyway.
BPTactical
07-29-2014, 12:33
I would also avoid the AAC 51T flashider only mounts do to tuning fork ring. I regret having one pinned on my Noveske 14.5 instead of the combo brake/FS.
Otherwise, mine all lock up tight enough for my purposes. They'll tighten up plenty after a few rounds if'n they're a bit loosey goosey anyway.
We can always de-pin it and affix a new device.
Just a thought
We can always de-pin it and affix a new device.
Just a thought
...again.
I know, considering it.
We can always de-pin it and affix a new device.
Just a thought
BP, not to derail the thread, but do you charge a flat rate to depin a flash hider? I've been wanting to change one out on my 14.5.
...again.
I know, considering it.
burt did 3-4 pin/depins on my last 14.5
balyon885
07-29-2014, 16:18
I'm in to see burt's response, might need an amd65 barrel pinned.
I'm in to see burt's response, might need an amd65 barrel pinned.
I don't know if Burt is going to reply to us :(
Great-Kazoo
08-04-2014, 21:12
I don't know if Burt is going to reply to us :(
It's just as easy to pm him.
It's just as easy to pm him.
i sent him a pm on 7/4 regarding a similar question that he never responded to. I'm sure that he is busy so I didn't want to keep bugging him. I had hoped that since he had been active in this thread that it would be easier for him to post a reply. No big deal, I'll try contacting him at his shop.
I don't want to speak for him, but Bert had announced he was cutting way back again due to his new FT job.
Circuits
08-05-2014, 00:50
I use an AAC M4-2k and an American Manufacturing Triple-X Warrior. Happens to be what I got on hand.
ANADRILL
10-08-2014, 13:03
AAC SDN-6
This
Great-Kazoo
10-08-2014, 14:40
Like my AAC's and Halo's. However after a lot of reading on silencer talk and arfcom, probably going to form 1 a 223 and or 45 can. That little thing called fundsalow has slowed things down.
Yankee Hill Titanium. I have a bunch of flash-hider/QD adapters, but it pretty much lives on just one or two AR's now.
DuckTape&550Cord
10-10-2014, 11:56
AAC 762SD on my 10.5" SBR. I confirmed with AAC that its good to go with the shorter barrel. This is the New 762SD with the inconel baffles. Bought it so I can throw it on my SOCOM II as well.
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