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My "friend" from nj who goes shooting "once a month" claims to be able to repeatedly ring an 8" steel at 1000 yards with a mosin that's been modified (though he couldn't say what exactly had been done)
This is pretty much impossible right? I wanna know if I can comfortably call bullshit over the phone
quickdraw
12-09-2013, 19:40
What scope?
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islandermyk
12-09-2013, 20:11
I think it'll reach out there. I tried shooting my buddies Mosin out to 600 yards with irons. I hit nothing but dirt [Coffee]
Go ahead and call bullshit. Better, ask him how much he's holding over first. It's going to be on the order of 400" or 33'. If the rifle is scoped, it's going to be 40 MOA. If he says five feet, you know he's full of crap.
8" is .8 MOA. I know nothing about Mosin's, but even if they are sub-MOA rifles at 100, it takes an extremely skilled shooter to duplicate that at 1,000.
I have $1,000 says he can't hit once in ten tries.
BuffCyclist
12-09-2013, 20:33
Is he shooting a mosin 100yds at another mosin, that has an 8" steel plate rigged to the trigger, so when he hits that plate, it fires the 2nd mosin, which shoots 100yds at a 3rd mosin with an 8" plate rigged to the trigger, which repeats out to 1000yds? [LOL]
For what its worth, I have no actual reference for whether this is legit or not.
30"-36" gong, maybe. Guys can do that with practice. But 8"? NFW, I'd throw the BS flag on that play. Guys from NJ aren't known for BS'ing now are they? Maybe just a little.....
islandermyk
12-09-2013, 20:37
.. but this guy has done some shit to his set up and to top it off.. he rolls his own ammo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2M1hC4c0tc
The only question I would ask is if he is rolling his own. If he is shooting surplus, I would call BS. If the rifle is bedded, very clean, with good glass, it could be done with a very good shooter, but only if they have slugged the barrel and are turning out very optimized rounds.
I have a friend who had a Sako Nagant with a .308 bore that could consistently hit an old style 2 lb coffee can(6x8 inches) at 330 yards with handloads and iron sights, but he knew that rifle backwards and forwards. The sights were graduated to 1400 meters, but it's more like a mortar at that distance.
XC700116
12-09-2013, 21:31
I'm wondering where in the hell he's shooting 1K in that area?
That said, I still say the BS flag can be thrown unless he's got a TON of time, money, and effort into it.
.. but this guy has done some shit to his set up and to top it off.. he rolls his own ammo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2M1hC4c0tc
Hmm... That sloppy old trigger, he has to pull it with his middle finger to have the strength to pull it smooth :)
<MADDOG>
12-09-2013, 22:06
I'm wondering where in the hell he's shooting 1K in that area?
This..
The Atlantic?
I thought that too....1000 yards? In New Jersey?
Ahhh the old 1000 yard Mosin myth. There is a fantastic thread over on the Lightfighter hall of fame about the 1000 yard Mosin. Yeah, I call total bullshit. I don't know about your friend but I can confidently say that every other case I have heard about this is clearly someone either mixing up 1000 yards with 1000 feet or 1000 yards for 100 feet.
Not saying it can't be done, just that it can't be done consistently by guys like us.
Go ahead and call bullshit. Better, ask him how much he's holding over first. It's going to be on the order of 400" or 33'. If the rifle is scoped, it's going to be 40 MOA. If he says five feet, you know he's full of crap.
8" is .8 MOA. I know nothing about Mosin's, but even if they are sub-MOA rifles at 100, it takes an extremely skilled shooter to duplicate that at 1,000.
I have $1,000 says he can't hit once in ten tries.
Give me a month to work up some data and I'll take that bet!
islandermyk
12-10-2013, 05:02
Hmm... That sloppy old trigger, he has to pull it with his middle finger to have the strength to pull it smooth :)
Yea right!? A few of his shots he wasn't controlling his recoil... I think he did everything he could to that rifle but forgot to polish up that trigger [ROFL1]
Give me a month to work up some data and I'll take that bet!
That $1K bet will pay off that MN and then some [Coffee]
Now if you got that MN to shoot better than my "Long Leg" I'm gonna put that bitch up for sale [ROFL1]
Great-Kazoo
12-10-2013, 07:50
you're not calling BS on a "guy" from jersey. You've been out here too long and getting soft. give me his number i'll call him for ya. Besides 1K yds. There's not any place out there you can shoot that far.
buffalobo
12-10-2013, 08:00
With circumstances described, guy from Jersey doesn't know the difference between 100 & 1000 yards.
I say its true.
Maybe the guys down at Red Jacket did some magic on it. You know, something thats never been done before, a game changer.
What you are failing to take into account is the added accuracy from the unicorn horn stock he had it platinum bedded in...
Goodburbon
12-10-2013, 11:24
Hell, I can't get my M91/30 to shoot a decent group at 25 yds, or even on 8.5x11 paper consistently at 100. I'd hate to spend any money on it.
It's not me, I can shoot my K31 quite well.
I'd have called BS.
http://youtu.be/7e7k9yWqeaE
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My "friend" from nj who goes shooting "once a month" claims to be able to repeatedly ring an 8" steel at 1000 yards with a mosin that's been modified (though he couldn't say what exactly had been done)
This is pretty much impossible right? I wanna know if I can comfortably call bullshit over the phone
Light modification: New barrel chambered in 300 win mag, trigger, 40 MOA base, a 15x scope, and hand loads would do fine. =P
http://youtu.be/7e7k9yWqeaE
Loads customized for a well groomed rifle make a huge difference.
http://youtu.be/7e7k9yWqeaE
Loads customized for a well groomed rifle make a huge difference.
He states 5" at 300 yards. That's after all his tuning. How bad could it have been before he worked on it?
Pretty bad
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islandermyk
12-10-2013, 19:07
What's that saying again?
"You can't polish.... *cough"
Sorry what was I saying... oh yea... What kine of sorcery is this [Coffee]
That's nothin I hit a 5" moving target 2k with my 10/22 and a broken Italian scope [Coffee]
Maybe the the right shooter with perfect loads and no wind with......nvm
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islandermyk
12-10-2013, 20:02
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Oh dear God.. you can polish a.......
he said that he shoots at a "swat" range with his buddies [facepalm]
i was trying to get him to nail down a town but he said its "top secret" and he "wasnt allowed to tell me"
so anyway it is total bullshit at this point i doubt he has even shot a gun before next time i go out there (hopefully not for a while :) ) im gonna take him out to my buddies range in pa and laugh at him he is supposedly sending me pics of the rifle tomorrow so ill update when i get them
Great-Kazoo
12-10-2013, 21:25
he said that he shoots at a "swat" range with his buddies [facepalm]
i was trying to get him to nail down a town but he said its "top secret" and he "wasnt allowed to tell me"
so anyway it is total bullshit at this point i doubt he has even shot a gun before next time i go out there (hopefully not for a while :) ) im gonna take him out to my buddies range in pa and laugh at him he is supposedly sending me pics of the rifle tomorrow so ill update when i get them
Maybe a Twat range. There's so much shit on your friends shoes, we can smell it from here. Or maybe bayonne is at low tide.
The 7.62x54r round is more than capable of hitting a target at and past 1000 yards without a doubt. To do it repeatedly and out of a 70 + year old rifle while challenging can also certainly be done.
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Zombie Steve
12-11-2013, 13:28
Light modification: New barrel chambered in 300 win mag, trigger, 40 MOA base, a 15x scope, and hand loads would do fine. =P
[LOL]
Like taking a dodge colt, jacking up the radiator cap, replacing everything underneath and saying your Dodge Colt can do 0-60 in 3 seconds...
To do it repeatedly and out of a 70 + year old rifle while challenging can also certainly be done.
You can hit a 0.8 moa target repeatedly with a rifle only capable (in the best case) of 2 moa accuracy? In the wind at a grand? I think you might hit it occasionally and be damn lucky to do so. To do it repeatedly would require a lot of ammo or a miracle. ;)
An 8 inch plate at 1k is going to be a medium to low probability shot with modern top end equipment .
With a crappy Russian rifle and crappy Russian ammo it would be blind luck and unrepeatable. Crappy Russian rifle and handloads barely better .
Just don't understand the love affair with a WW1 vintage combloc turd that beats the hell out of you when you shoot it .
In 10 plus years of long range competition not once have I ever seen anyone use one let alone shoot well with one . Internet fantasies don't translate to the real world so much .
He states 5" at 300 yards. That's after all his tuning. How bad could it have been before he worked on it?
shows a 3/4" group at 100 yards 4 minutes in.
The group right before that was every bit of 2 inches , 1 group doesn't determine wether the gun shoots or not , lets see 5 in a row without editing the video between shots .
Accuracy at 100 doesn't translate in a linear fashion further out . The variables that have negligible effect at 100 mean a miss further out .
jerrymrc
12-11-2013, 21:48
All I know is that while the round is capable like many have said it is a very small target for most at that range. My PSL shooting the same round and having a scope that can adjust for that range took 4 rounds (with a spotter) to hit the very large buffalo at the nra center. That was with no wind at all.
For the typical rifle in stock form and this includes the 91/30 once you go past 600 yards it is a whole nuther world. I always applaud those that shoot 800-1200 yards at small targets and hit them. We have a few members that are capable but it is a select bunch and I am not one of them.[Flower]
No one here would argue that a Rem 700 or a Win 70 in .308 or .30-06 is incapable of hitting a target at a grand. While the OP's friend back east is most probably exaggerating his marksmanship skills dont lets start arguing the rifle is INCAPABLE of doing it. A rack grade Mosin with surplus? Improbable. An off the wall Rem or Win with hunting ammo? Also improbable. However after some basic modifications with a good peice of glass, match ammo, and a good shooter highly likely.
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UrbanWolf
12-11-2013, 23:02
Here's a pretty good article about Mosin's pratical accuracy.
http://www.thebangswitch.com/precision-mosin-nagant-on-a-budget-stage-1/
UrbanWolf
12-11-2013, 23:04
A nice Finish Mosin may actually hit things at 1000 yards. But average Soviet Mosin sighted in right are 3-5 MOA gun at 100 yards.
An article that shows the gun shooting 8 inch groups at 100 doesn't help the case for the magic Russian rifle . The comments after that are meaningless because there is no evidence to back up the claims .
More internet fantasies colliding with the real world and reality wins every time .
Of course only modern rifles built by American companys can be rebarrelled, re stocked, scoped, free floated and shot accurately.http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/13/8yry3yza.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/13/e3aty7e9.jpg
End Sarcasm.
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That is no where close to the " basic modifications " you brought up . The money spent to do that those rifles is going to exceed the cost of the rifle 10 fold or more and if spent on a modern action will end up with a better end product .
Google Rifle Accuracy Facts by Harold Vaughn , read it and tell me again how WW1 technology and metallurgy is going to produce a superior result
So minus the rebarrelling.
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Ok, do you think a 1903 Springfield is capable of hitting a target at 1000 yards? How about a Mauser 98? Or a Lee Enfield MK III? Aside from country of orgin they are all from the same era and ballistically similiar rounds. Also aside from rebarrelling all of the aforementioned modifications are basic.
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islandermyk
12-12-2013, 20:24
A lot of shit we do with our "Long Range" equipment is impractical.... Someone tuning a Mosin like that seriously had something to prove (I guess).... but I really think the OP's story with his buddy shooting 1K even with a modded Mosin like that and tapping an 8" steel plate consistently is far from the truth.
I'd believe it if were coming from Hoser or someone in this caliber of shooting.
islandermyk
12-12-2013, 20:44
Here's my 18x12 inch target I use out to 1K yards... this day was at 1068 Pawnee yards [ROFL1]. 13/14 shots only 6 hit... and this is me shooting a .308 built by GAP. I know I suck.
Note the lil flag blowing.
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp261/brutaltlr/The%20Guns%20and%20shoots%20and%20%20all%20related %20to%20it/IMAG2335_zpse04395fe.jpg (http://s418.photobucket.com/user/brutaltlr/media/The%20Guns%20and%20shoots%20and%20%20all%20related %20to%20it/IMAG2335_zpse04395fe.jpg.html)
This is the same target through my S&B PM2 5-25x56 at 10/12 power.
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp261/brutaltlr/The%20Guns%20and%20shoots%20and%20%20all%20related %20to%20it/IMAG2330_zps375eae12.jpg (http://s418.photobucket.com/user/brutaltlr/media/The%20Guns%20and%20shoots%20and%20%20all%20related %20to%20it/IMAG2330_zps375eae12.jpg.html)
The OP's buddy's Mosin better be as bad ass or he better be one hell of shot. [Coffee]
Good Lord that's a busy reticle.
Good Lord that's a busy reticle.
He paid extra for the model with the food groups pyramid and the amortization chart for his mortgage.
Good Lord that's a busy reticle.
[Beer]
It's a good thing Mike wasn't shooting at a target that looks like this -> + [Coffee]
islandermyk
12-13-2013, 06:04
Good Lord that's a busy reticle.
He paid extra for the model with the food groups pyramid and the amortization chart for his mortgage.
[Beer]
It's a good thing Mike wasn't shooting at a target that looks like this -> + [Coffee]
[ROFL1]
I love you guys [Tooth]
Couldn't you find a scope with one of those knob doohickeys on the top, you know, the ones that let you dial for elevation?
http://youtu.be/xMG2gnHN1fo
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TheBelly
12-13-2013, 08:13
You should see where he zeros the thing!!
http://youtu.be/hXwtchLFKq8
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islandermyk
12-13-2013, 08:40
Couldn't you find a scope with one of those knob doohickeys on the top, you know, the ones that let you dial for elevation?
No need... just hold and pull, hahahahahahaha!
You should see where he zeros the thing!!
You need to zero these things?
[ROFL1]
This is the same target through my S&B PM2 5-25x56 at 10/12 power.
The OP's buddy's Mosin better be as bad ass or he better be one hell of shot. [Coffee]
I've never seen a scope with five sixths power. Usually its at least 1
islandermyk
12-14-2013, 04:13
I've never seen a scope with five sixths power. Usually its at least 1
Sorry... I meant 10x or 12x at the time the picture was taken...
I've never seen a scope with five sixths power. Usually its at least 1
5-25 is the magnification power. x56 is the objective diameter in mm.
Think he was refferring to the 10/12 bit. Which is written in fraction form and if we reduce to the lowest common denominator we get 5/6. :)
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Zombie Steve
12-14-2013, 18:36
Just saw this on another site...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dQpY9muGj8
Certainly not an 8" plate... still impressive for the old shoulder breaker.
Hasn't responded to my question if he was using handloads and if he'd done anything to the rifle itself.
Zombie Steve
12-14-2013, 18:58
Response was:
The rifle has been bedded and I did some trigger work to it so it breaks around 2lbs and has no creep. The ammo is commercial Brown bear 174gr FMJ.
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