A&E suspends Phil Robertson over his personal beliefs about homosexuals.

[Rooskibar03]

The intolerant demand tolerance, oh the irony.

A&E is about to find they bet on the wrong horse with this one. Fans of this show are not shocked or surprised by Phil's comments and likely share his views.

The network needs the Ducks more than they need them

http://therightscoop.com/breaking-ae-kicks-phil-robertson-off-duck-dynasty/

[MarkCO]

Not surprising. He does not like what the fame is doing to his family and wants to get back to preaching rather than doing the shows. Kind of interesting that this happens right after Chris Cheng (Top Shot) finally admits he is a homosexual. I'd spend a day hunting and fishing with either one of them. Too bad we have to mix all this junk in with everything now.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Well, no more A&E. that's the only one good show that's worth watching on its app.

[trlcavscout]

Screw a&e! I am now joining the millions boycotting the network, looking at Facebook etc this decision is costing a&e dearly pissing off the main base of its most popular show.

I don't care what he said, I am offended by a lot of shit coming from the pickle puffers and lib tards but they are still on TV.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I'm so surprised (not). I have been more surprised to find a show like "Duck Dynasty" on a network like A&E -- I suspect the programmers originally thought it would be a show that would let the self-appointed "intelligentsia" and "elite" laugh at the rubes and rednecks and were surprised by its popularity. A&E has led the way in subtly trying to make homosexuality seem more common and mainstream; I don't have an issue with that but I suspect it has a lot to do with their reaction.

[BPTactical]

Expensive mistake for A&E.



I am sure other channels would be happy to carry DD.

[Gman]

A&E has led the way in subtly trying to make homosexuality seem more common and mainstream;
I guess you've never seen the Bravo network. [Coffee]

[Irving]

They should move to a smaller network that could really use the money. Maybe LOGO is interested?

[Aloha_Shooter]

Hell, I'm gonna go to Wally World and buy some DD stuff just for the hell of it now.

[trlcavscout]

Hell, I'm gonna go to Wally World and buy some DD stuff just for the hell of it now.

I would before its gone but a&e makes money off it so hell no.

[Rooskibar03]

I would before its gone but a&e makes money off it so hell no.

Right. So head to Bass Pro or Cabelas and buy some Duck calls.

[MattR]

Hell, I'm gonna go to Wally World and buy some DD stuff just for the hell of it now.

Which is owned by A&E.

[SamuraiCO]

Someone will pick them up.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

I'm under the impression they didn't cancel the show, they just won't film this particular guy.
Anyway, even if they all leave, I bet A&E has all rights reserved to the show and the name, and these guys all likely signed a non-compete clause.



Edit: But I've never seen the show in my life.

[rondog]

I'd like to know just how much A&E owns of it. Willie seems to be a pretty sharp businessman and marketer, I wouldn't be surprised if he has more control than A&E. He might just tell them to piss up a rope.

[rondog]

I'm under the impression they didn't cancel the show, they just won't film this particular guy.
Anyway, even if they all leave, I bet A&E has all rights reserved to the show and the name, and these guys all likely signed a non-compete clause.



Edit: But I've never seen the show in my life.

Phil is the patriarch of the family, the dad and grandpa of everyone. And he's a pretty funny character in his own right. The show would suffer terribly without him. Dumbass move by A&E.

[Icecoldviper]

Hell, I'm gonna go to Wally World and buy some DD stuff just for the hell of it now.

Buy Duck Commander stuff not DD that way it goes to the right people...

[XC700116]

I'm sure he's all torn up about it too.....

The thing that blows my mind is that for some odd reason, people are shocked by the fact that a washed in the blood Christian wouldn't identify with homosexuality. I mean Really, what rock have these idiots been hiding uner?

Personally, I could give a shit less who anyone sleeps with as long as all involved are consenting adults, yet I'm not going to say that it's what i think is the right thing to do either. The other thing that drives me absolutely insane about the leftists is for some reason if you don't openly support and push their angle, they call you a bigot, and if you dare say that you think it's wrong or don't understand how they think it's perfectly right, then you're a hateful bigot. It's absolutely rediculous. Just as rediculous as the people that think because the bible condems homosexuality, that they have license to treat homosexuals like they are sub-human.


Honestly, I hope the rest of the family tells A&E to pound sand and shove the show right up their tailpipe. I know I would feel a lot better about them walking away from A&E and not having any more episodes of the show to watch, than having them bend to PC BS and have the show continue.

[Logan]

I'll be boycotting A&E. I liked the show, but I don't need their network to be happy, happy, happy.

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[SamuraiCO]

Twitter blowing up as well.

[streetglideok]

If you read what all Phil said, he stated his thoughts on the gay thing, but also said he does not judge them, for that's god's job. Here is what he said in GQ, to which the liberals and media are trying to avoid quoting.

As far as Phil is concerned, he was literally born again. Old Phil—the guy with the booze and the pills—died a long time ago, and New Phil sees no need to apologize for him: “We never, ever judge someone on who’s going to heaven, hell. That’s the Almighty’s job. We just love ’em, give ’em the good news about Jesus—whether they’re homosexuals, drunks, terrorists. We let God sort ’em out later, you see what I’m saying?”

Read More http://www.gq.com/entertainment/television/201401/duck-dynasty-phil-robertson#ixzz2ntCfgyig

[MarkCO]

I'd like to know just how much A&E owns of it. Willie seems to be a pretty sharp businessman and marketer, I wouldn't be surprised if he has more control than A&E. He might just tell them to piss up a rope.

They buy shows, like anyone else. The Producer and talent, for most shows like this, make money per episode and then royalties for re-runs. The channels, like A&E, then sell the advertising to get their coin. Willie is sharp, and the last number I heard, per show, would buy a pretty nice house. Willie was careful with the brand, so some other channel could of course buy a new season.

[Irving]

I read some where that he likened homosexuality to beastiality. Is that really all he said?

[asmo]

Kind of interesting that this happens right after Chris Cheng (Top Shot) finally admits he is a homosexual.

I think we all kinda knew Cheng was a non-breeder. Even then, from his Wikipedia profile:



Cheng is on the Board of Directors for the San Francisco Opera (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Opera) BRAVO! Club. He is also a volunteer baritone singer for the San Francisco Symphony Chorus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Symphony_Chorus). He played double bass from ages 13–22 in both orchestras and jazz bands.


I have several gay friends that want to shoot - but are afraid to because of what the "gay mafia" (their term not mine) would say.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I doubt A&E owns the DD logo or merchandising rights but I'd be happy to buy Duck Commander merchandise instead. I just don't have any need for duck calls.

EDIT: Found their online store at duckcommander.com (http://duckcommander.com) and ordered a couple shotshell thermos bottles. All the better ...

[Logan]

Irving, I was listening to Fox news on the drive over to my gf's tonight and Meghan Kelley addressed that point and said it was just a rumor; Phil never made that comparison.

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[Aloha_Shooter]

I have several gay friends that want to shoot - but are afraid to because of what the "gay mafia" (their term not mine) would say.

They should go shooting then. They can always tell the "gay mafia" that learning to shoot is their right to self-defense against hate mongers. I'm not sympathetic to the homosexual agenda but I think they have the same right to self-defense that any other law-abiding American has.

[nikolatesla19]

Such a downward spiral this country is in. I'm sure if he was all for it they would say how great of a guy he is. I'm sure he is so heart broke that some are upset about standing by his faith and opinion. F-A&E.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

I have several gay friends that want to shoot - but are afraid to because of what the "gay mafia" (their term not mine) would say.


They should go shooting then. They can always tell the "gay mafia" that learning to shoot is their right to self-defense against hate mongers. I'm not sympathetic to the homosexual agenda but I think they have the same right to self-defense that any other law-abiding American has.

I agree.
My first reaction, however, was to be thankful that my life, my personality, my whatever isn't structured and set up to be susceptible to that kind of unspoken peer pressure.

[clublights]

Here is the link to the GQ article that A&E is up in arms about ....


http://www.gq.com/entertainment/television/201401/duck-dynasty-phil-robertson

[Rooskibar03]

While I disagree with the decision I'm tired of FB blowing up saying A&E violated Phil's 1A rights. There are no protections granted to people from a tv network. A&E is not the Federal government and assuming the contract has such provision in it, has the right to conduct business how they want.

[Logan]

They may not have violated them, but they sure as heck censured him for expressing them.

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[cstone]

For all of us old folks:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anita_Bryant

What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

They may not have violated them, but they sure as heck censured him for expressing them.

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Uhh…what? How so?

[Gman]

EDIT: Found their online store at duckcommander.com (http://duckcommander.com) and ordered a couple shotshell thermos bottles. All the better ...
Those bottles are interesting....but how about providing a trivial detail like CAPACITY? [LOL]

I like how they make this out to be his personal beliefs. Uh, these ideals are far from individual when you are a Christian. Their principle document (or documented principles), the Bible, expressly state that homosexuality is wrong.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Hell, I'm gonna go to Wally World and buy some DD stuff just for the hell of it now.

Buy Duck Commander stuffs if you want to support the Robertsons. Duck Dynasty is owned by A&E.

Goto bass pro instead!

[ChunkyMonkey]

^^ sorry ignore my post

[Logan]

Uhh…what? How so?

Well if I understand correctly Phil was suspended as a direct result of his comments. A&E's actions serve as a public shaming.

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[BPTactical]

For all of us old folks:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anita_Bryant



Flash from the past, man did she catch hell....

[colo-pr]

This is so stupid, this show being receiving attacks from long time, Atheist community requesting A&E to stop Phil talking about god and now this.

WTF this is a "Reality show" not suppose to be real? If the people of the show are Christian what is the problem? If they don't like homosexuals what is the problem? they cannot express their opinions and believes!

I just hope Willie take the family relation in hands and send A&E to the heavens, I don't think they need the money, they are multimillionaire without A&E.

Well, the only program for what I turn on my TV :-(

I hope uncle Si can go out to play poker without been bother by fans soon lol

[Portsider86]

I was never a fan of the show. IMO, its just another pointless reality show that I don't have time for. But now I'll be rooting for them, screw A&E. I already knew what they were about so his comments don't surprise me at all.

[Ah Pook]

Um, the guy has been a re-born christian (yes, lower case) for years. No one at the network questioned his stance on homers?

I don't give two shiats about being a homer but still like Phil. This sounds like a marketing ploy to the 'nth degree.

The whole DD show is useless contrived drama.

[davsel]

Love the show.
Love the family.
I believe it is a calculated move by A&E. Not that they need to boost ratings, but more is always better in their eyes.

[beast556]

This is one of the reasons we cancled TV service 4 years ago.

[BREATHER]

Jeeezus... It's not a reality show.... I just started watching it this season and it is just a silly fun comedy show that has to do with duck calls and from what I see, some values. These guys are making a fortune having fun.. I can envy that, so yes I am a fan....

[alxone]

For all of us old folks:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anita_Bryant

What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
^yep^

on a side note
i wonder if she liked the pie [Coffee]

[Great-Kazoo]

^yep^

on a side note
i wonder if she liked the pie [Coffee]

I don't know. I do see a lot of lesbians like pulp orange juice.
Gives a new meaning to Come to the Florida Sunshine Tree


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ld8DQkC6po

[osok-308]

this world is so fucked. it doesnt matter who you are or what you believe or what you say, someone somewhere is bound to try to fuck you for believing what you believe or saying what you say.

if you dont like what someone says, dont listen. and I have a hard time believe gays are watching a reality show with a bunch of Christian hillbillies in it. (i have never seen the show, so sorry If Im wrong about that)
^^ This. I bet they think that Phil will apologize for his remarks, however Phil already makes it evident that he doesn't care that much about the show anyways. Also, he didn't just call out gays, he called out all kinds of sexual practices that the Bible mentions to abstain from, he doesn't go the typical anti-gay route that many people go on, he mentions all kinds of Bible-mentioned immorality. He was referring to things that Phil is already famous for saying: that this world is a messed up place that needs Jesus.

[ChuckNorris]

Last time I checked we were still entitled to our opinions.
I didn't see that liberal idiot Piers Morgan get suspended for his anti-gun comments.

This will really backfire on A&E - I hope!

[Mtn.man]

But we still have oprah.

[ChuckNorris]

But we still have oprah.

Like a bad itch that will not go away!

[blacklabel]

Like a bad itch that will not go away!

Also known as a venereal disease.

[MarkCO]

Is it not clear yet?

Those who despise responsibility, individualism, honor and respect of human life will do everything in their power to strip these values from those who adhere to them. The lowest common denominator is where we are heading. Anyone who speaks truth as to the perils of our path will be demonized.

What I like about Phil is that he is not shy about telling people about his own shortcomings, failures, and those of his family. He does not discriminate, he just repeats what the Bible says. People want to judge HIM for his beliefs, but it is God they really have a problem with. Phil does not have a problem with sinners, he loves everyone, but people now want to hate him, and discriminate against him for his religious convictions. America was supposed to be a Country that loved Freedom of religion, but the tenants of Christianity, interwoven in the Fabric, have absolutes that some people will not accept.

It is sad, and ironic. People are praising Chris Cheng for his beliefs and actions but telling Phil Robertson he can NOT have his beliefs and actions. The people who stand on the PC platform of "tolerance" are not very tolerant of any view except their own.

[BPTactical]

It is sad, and ironic. People are praising Chris Cheng for his beliefs and actions but telling Phil Robertson he can NOT have his beliefs and actions. The people who stand on the PC platform of "tolerance" are not very tolerant of any view except their own.

And this is what irks me the most. The hypocrisy is so thick you can walk on water.
Ironic how those that promote "tolerance" are very accommodating up to the point that your view of a particular subject does not fall lockstep with theirs.
Then you are a (insert appropriate label).

[buckshotbarlow]

typical horse shit all around. Reading the drudge report and you just get pissed off at all the bs now...

[Zundfolge]

Of course the leftist media ignores one very important part of what he said (and I believe is ultimately why the left feels that people like Phil must be destroyed):

Our culture has accepted two huge lies. The first is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate.

[MarkCO]

Of course the leftist media ignores one very important part of what he said (and I believe is ultimately why the left feels that people like Phil must be destroyed):

Our culture has accepted two huge lies. The first is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate.

SO TRUE!

[n8tive97]

I'm sure he's all torn up about it too.....

The thing that blows my mind is that for some odd reason, people are shocked by the fact that a washed in the blood Christian wouldn't identify with homosexuality. I mean Really, what rock have these idiots been hiding uner?

Personally, I could give a shit less who anyone sleeps with as long as all involved are consenting adults, yet I'm not going to say that it's what i think is the right thing to do either. The other thing that drives me absolutely insane about the leftists is for some reason if you don't openly support and push their angle, they call you a bigot, and if you dare say that you think it's wrong or don't understand how they think it's perfectly right, then you're a hateful bigot. It's absolutely rediculous. Just as rediculous as the people that think because the bible condems homosexuality, that they have license to treat homosexuals like they are sub-human.


Honestly, I hope the rest of the family tells A&E to pound sand and shove the show right up their tailpipe. I know I would feel a lot better about them walking away from A&E and not having any more episodes of the show to watch, than having them bend to PC BS and have the show continue.

Well said sir....

[newracer]

Another very important part that no one is talking about.


We never, ever judge someone on who’s going to heaven, hell. That’s the Almighty’s job. We just love ’em, give ’em the good news about Jesus—whether they’re homosexuals, drunks, terrorists. We let God sort ’em out later, you see what I’m saying?”

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Of course the leftist media ignores one very important part of what he said (and I believe is ultimately why the left feels that people like Phil must be destroyed):

Our culture has accepted two huge lies. The first is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate.

You are one angry mofo.... Saw this on some comment board for an article about not supporting companies that advertise on A&E.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/20/ybarezat.jpg

Sent from my teepee using smoke signals.

[Zundfolge]

You are one angry mofo
Yep ... I'm tired of all this PC bullshit and the "gay mafia" (a term coined by gays btw)

I suspect that Phil's family will stand behind him, but if they let A&E "fire" him and they bow to pressure from leftist/gay pressure groups then they don't deserve their success.

Here's the article in question http://clashdaily.com/2013/12/ae-list-advertisers-hit-network-hurts-wallet/

Kinda surprised to see JM reads Clash Daily. :p

[sniper7]

I stand by Phil. Fuck A&E

[RblDiver]

Gay Mafia, meet the Christian Mafia, the Freedom Mafia, the Non-PC Mafia, the...

[muddywings]

I don't watch the show. Not my thing but from what I have heard it's pretty fun/good to watch.
I don't think he said anything out of bounds and A&E is bending to the PC crowd pretty easily.
I found this opinion piece pretty interesting and just thought I'd share:
http://outkickthecoverage.com/on-duck-dynasty.php?fb_action_ids=10201874612199292&fb_action_types=og.likes&action_object_map=[1428217177409117]&action_type_map=["og.likes"]&action_ref_map=[".UrMopibrXVQ.like"] (http://outkickthecoverage.com/on-duck-dynasty.php?fb_action_ids=10201874612199292&fb_action_types=og.likes&action_object_map=[1428217177409117]&action_type_map=["og.likes"]&action_ref_map=[".UrMopibrXVQ.like"])

[Skip]

Well, I finally found out what people care about.

Years of the Liberal agenda destroying America and people can't be bothered to care. But fuck with Duck Dynasty and it's on!

(I see nothing wrong with what Robertson said, btw. I just find it hilarious that the line is being drawn here for so many Americans.)

[<MADDOG>]

Just imagine if "All in the Family" was still on...

[BlasterBob]

Just imagine if "All in the Family" was still on...

^^^^^^^^^
There would be a huge number of the P.C. Rangers shitting all over themselves. We are getting totally fed up with this P.C. Crap. When I was a kid (yeah, that was a hell of a LONG time ago) we could say what ever we thought but may have got a bar of Lifebouy soap stuck in the mouth or a punch in the nose for saying it.
Real FREEDOM OF SPEECH went in the crapper some years ago. [blaster]

[speedysst]

So, you didn't notice the recall thing that happened not too long ago? If you think this is the only PC crap that people are upset about then you haven't been paying attention. This just happens to be due to a popular television show.
Well, I finally found out what people care about.

Years of the Liberal agenda destroying America and people can't be bothered to care. But fuck with Duck Dynasty and it's on!

(I see nothing wrong with what Robertson said, btw. I just find it hilarious that the line is being drawn here for so many Americans.)

[Skip]

So, you didn't notice the recall thing that happened not too long ago? If you think this is the only PC crap that people are upset about then you haven't been paying attention. This just happens to be due to a popular television show.

I did.

But in terms of exposure and opinions this DD thing has really gripped the country.

Most folks outside of CO didn't care about the recalls. The folks in NY did what? Oh, and Californians continue to get bent over... What did CT do again?

I would argue people appear to be more upset over this than Obamacare. Obamacare effects them directly, this is just a TV show produced by one of the Regime propaganda networks. Am I supposed to be surprised? Are you surprised?

[n8tive97]

I say..... "Release the ducks"!

[Zundfolge]

I would argue people appear to be more upset over this than Obamacare. Obamacare effects them directly, this is just a TV show produced by one of the Regime propaganda networks. Am I supposed to be surprised? Are you surprised?
I think this goes beyond the TV show ... I think people are beginning to realize that if Phil can be fired from what is essentially a money printing machine for simply expressing his belief (a belief that the majority of Americans likely agree with) then its only a matter of time before YOUR boss finds some Facebook post or comment on a news site and fires you for it or worse, some pressure group finds your posting and pressures your boss to fire you.

Yeah, that Zundfolge guy is gonna be in trouble :p

[Skip]

I think this goes beyond the TV show ... I think people are beginning to realize that if Phil can be fired from what is essentially a money printing machine for simply expressing his belief (a belief that the majority of Americans likely agree with) then its only a matter of time before YOUR boss finds some Facebook post or comment on a news site and fires you for it or worse, some pressure group finds your posting and pressures your boss to fire you.

Yeah, that Zundfolge guy is gonna be in trouble :p

I hope you're right about this, it at least shows some thought and consideration. Being fired for what I say is the least of my worries right now. I try to keep the little things in perspective with the big things.

[blacklabel]

I just find it hilarious that the line is being drawn here for so many Americans.

Is a line really being drawn or are people just acting upset on message boards and Facebook? Its the non pc outcry version of security theater.

[Bailey Guns]

Our culture has accepted two huge lies. The first is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate.

I believe that to be a true statement and I believe that's how the left controls the debate on many issues.

I've never watched DD...with the exception of maybe 1/2 an episode. It just didn't catch my interest and this whole controversy, aside from some of the aspects of fundamental differences between the left and the right, means nothing to me.

But having read every post here there's something I find troubling with a lot of members here, sort of on topic, sort of off topic.

Everyone pretty much knows that in general liberals are masters of hypocrisy. So why is it surprising that A&E would say, "We are extremely disappointed to have read Phil Robertson’s comments in GQ, which are based on his own personal beliefs and are not reflected in the series Duck Dynasty," and then "fire" the guy? Liberals say they're all for tolerance and diversity and individuality and all that other happy horseshit until it's actually time to be tolerant of diversity and individuality. By their own admission his personal beliefs, which he disclosed to another media organization, have never been reflected or been a problem on the series they produce. Yet they fire him for it. Stupid, in my opinion, but that's their prerogative.

What I find troubling and hypocritical with so many members here is they basically do the same thing regarding conservative politicians.

A conservative politician can come out and say the same thing: he/she is against abortion, homosexuality and/or gay marriage or whatever, he/she believes that way for religious reasons and those are their personal feelings. But having those beliefs, they say,
will not enter into the way they want to legislate or govern, or perhaps they say they hold those personal beliefs but don't believe the gov't has any business legislating those things.

When a conservative politician says those things they are lambasted on this forum as bible thumpers who need to get of people's bedrooms and let a woman choose what's right for her, etc., yet they'll defend to the end a guy like Phil Robertson saying it even when it hasn't impacted the series he's being fired from.

I find it very hypocritical. Which brings me back to the Rick Warren statement above. Why can't a person, whether they're a truck driver, mailman or politician or whatever, believe that way as long as it doesn't affect the way they do their job?

So many of you seem to want to buy into the "pro-choice" argument liberals are always talking about when you know full well that "choice" is always defined on their terms...you're "choice" is only to believe what they believe whether it's abortion, homosexuality, gay marriage or anything else. Frankly, I'd rather have someone tell me truth where they stand on an issue, even if I disagree with it, than lie to me.

Not directed at anyone in general, just some personal observations and my 2 cents worth.

[<MADDOG>]

Bailey, what you state rings 100% true IMO.

I'll even go further as to board members here will begin the name calling quite quickly; hence the locked threads...

[Aloha_Shooter]

Yep ... I'm tired of all this PC bullshit and the "gay mafia" (a term coined by gays btw)

I suspect that Phil's family will stand behind him, but if they let A&E "fire" him and they bow to pressure from leftist/gay pressure groups then they don't deserve their success.

Bear in mind Willie seems to be a pretty smart businessman regardless of how he lets himself be portrayed on TV. I'm sure they have various contractual obligations after the latest renewal so the smart play for him is to make A&E cut the cord rather than have the family cut the cord. That keeps A&E from suing them for contractual breach and preserves their options.

Can you imagine next season if the whole family keeps talking about Phil even if he's never on camera? For that matter, they can structure the whole next set of filming around Phil's point about not having to agree with other people but letting the Almighty sort things out. Hell, I bet they can even slide in Si quoting Phil in a way that will make A&E look like even bigger shits if they react.

[davsel]

I've often wondered about this phrase, and recently found an answer I can relate to on an unlikely site:

http://voices.yahoo.com/is-hate-sin-but-love-sinner-biblical-11482486.html








THIS IS JUST SOMEONE'S (MY) BELIEF - BAN ME IF YOU WILL

[Zundfolge]

Bear in mind Willie seems to be a pretty smart businessman regardless of how he lets himself be portrayed on TV. I'm sure they have various contractual obligations after the latest renewal so the smart play for him is to make A&E cut the cord rather than have the family cut the cord. That keeps A&E from suing them for contractual breach and preserves their options.
Back when A&E tried to censor their prayers and references to Jesus out of the show, they said put 'em back or we walk ... so I'm guessing they have a contract that allows them to shut down the show for any reason.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Back when A&E tried to censor their prayers and references to Jesus out of the show, they said put 'em back or we walk ... so I'm guessing they have a contract that allows them to shut down the show for any reason.

Nah, they probably have a contractual obligation to deliver a certain number of shows. The previous attempt to censor them occurred as they were negotiating the new contract for this season so they had the ability to just not sign a new contract. It's the same reason the "Deadliest Catch" captains were able to push Discovery Channel into a what they felt was a fairer arrangement -- they were in-between contracts and had the option to just walk.

[Ronin13]

They may not have violated them, but they sure as heck censured him for expressing them.
An individual, company, corporation, etc. cannot violate anyone's first amendment rights- only the government. Just FYI.

Glenn Beck stated this morning that he would be honored if the Robertson clan wanted to leave A&E and come over to The Blaze. I doubt it would happen, but yeah, good on him. I read the GQ article, it was poorly written by a journalist I have very little respect for. He trash talked Phil a few times, and his colorful use of language just detracted from his professionalism. I have to say it, after being exposed to Phil and his family, it does prove to me that I would be happier if I got a little closer to Jesus. I stand with Phil. He is absolutely right in everything he says... Shoot, I might just have to take a trip down to Monroe and get some of his preaching 1st hand!

[Zundfolge]

An individual, company, corporation, etc. cannot violate anyone's first amendment rights- only the government. Just FYI.

Yes, yes, yes ... that's always the argument that comes out in these discussions. Under the letter of the law you are correct, but the first amendment is a legal implementation of a value that is (well at least was) at the core of our culture. It's actually more concerning to me that our culture seems to be abandoning this value than it would be if the government were overstepping it's bounds and limiting people's 1A rights.

[Ronin13]

Yes, yes, yes ... that's always the argument that comes out in these discussions. Under the letter of the law you are correct, but the first amendment is a legal implementation of a value that is (well at least was) at the core of our culture. It's actually more concerning to me that our culture seems to be abandoning this value than it would be if the government were overstepping it's bounds and limiting people's 1A rights.
Indeed. We're at a time where a difference of opinion is no longer just that, but instead a beckoning call to shame, lambaste, or libel someone for not agreeing with someone else's ideas/beliefs. Sad really. I've been in Mr. Robertson's shoes before, when I simply stated that I don't agree with the push for everyone to accept the homosexual culture- I have no problem with gays, but I really don't care what silly little event they have planned or what Hollywood celebrity is doing in their honor. If someone doesn't like gays, that's their prerogative, no need for people to get their panties in a twist. I don't like the sport of basketball, so freaking what!?

[Bailey Guns]

I don't like the sport of basketball, so freaking what!?

FREAKIN' UN-AMERICAN COMMIE! YOU SUCK! JANE FONDA LOVER![Coffee]

[Ronin13]

FREAKIN' UN-AMERICAN COMMIE! YOU SUCK! JANE FONDA LOVER![Coffee]
[ROFL1] HOW DARE YOU! I hate Jane Fonda more than I hate Moochele Oblahblah! And I really do not like the Oblahblah family!

Joe Pags (850) just posted this, so true:
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[Zundfolge]

If only I could get labeled "Evil Rich".


And isn't an "Anti (fill in the blank)" and "Homophobe" the same thing? I just ask 'cause I'm sitting here on my blank reading these posts :p

[hatidua]

When a conservative politician says those things they are lambasted on this forum as bible thumpers who need to get of people's bedrooms and let a woman choose what's right for her, etc., yet they'll defend to the end a guy like Phil Robertson saying it even when it hasn't impacted the series he's being fired from.

Just a possibility: Because a politician that gets on his bully pulpit and goes on about abortion/gay marriage/his relationship with Jesus/Etc., isn't going to win the White House in the 21st century, plain and simple. I'd like to see the Democrats lose in '16, but if whomever the Republicans put up as the contender decides to preach primarily to the conservative base rather than the national electorate and starts talking about social issues, the Democrats will take the election....again. By contrast, the Duck Dynasty guy isn't running for office so there's no political loss if he speaks his mind so many support him against A&E. Just my take on it, potentially completely wrong...

[ChuckNorris]

And now there is a story out on the internet about how former skating olympian Brian Boitano has 'come out' and saying he is gay - (DUH, big surprise there!).

Who gives a rat's ass where he chooses to stick his johnson?
Why is that relevant? Why is that news?

I am offended!

[newracer]

I think this goes beyond the TV show ... I think people are beginning to realize that if Phil can be fired from what is essentially a money printing machine for simply expressing his belief (a belief that the majority of Americans likely agree with) then its only a matter of time before YOUR boss finds some Facebook post or comment on a news site and fires you for it or worse, some pressure group finds your posting and pressures your boss to fire you.

Yeah, that Zundfolge guy is gonna be in trouble :p
That has already happened several times.

[Skip]

Is a line really being drawn or are people just acting upset on message boards and Facebook? Its the non pc outcry version of security theater.

People seem genuinely pissed off. More so than when they got their health insurance cancellation letters two months ago.

I don't know... But I can tell you it was stupid to mess with the bread and circuses.

[rondog]

And after this blows over, I wouldn't be surprised to see A&E come out with a show for Westboro Baptist Church.

[Squeeze]

And after this blows over, I wouldn't be surprised to see A&E come out with a show for Westboro Baptist Church.

You had to go "there" didn't you. [facepalm]

Let's hope A&E doesn't do just what you said. That would just be the absolute low of lows for a t.v. show. Not to derail the thread, I do hope the men and Duck Commander come to an agreement and get Phil back on the show. Damn political correctness is still shoving this country into a downward spiral.

[TheWeeze]

I honestly don't think this is A&E shoving their beliefs down everybody's throat. They saw what he said as a threat to their ability to sell advertising on the show to companies that bend or break to the will of people. They made what they thought was the right BUSINESS decision for their advertisers. Advertisers this day in age don't want to alienate any group of people. They were thinking with only their pocket books and the black number at the bottom of the ledger. I'm sure they thought that if they kept Phil on the show that black number would turn red.

[Mtn.man]

Family morals, and support of lost out many years ago.
When I grew up we all ate at the dinner table, we said grace.
We hunted birds, hogs, etc with our principals, coaches, uncles, Dads. Mom worked but made time for our lunches,
we rode our bicycles to school 3 miles because we were to close for bus service.
We didn't have all this BULLSHIT video games, video shit, cell phones, ipads, blah blah Shit.
We didn't have school shootings, we did have race riots in high school but it was all about the beat down, we even took our shotguns to school. We didn't have a 10' wall around our school, we left campus for lunch, we stole our rivals mascots before a BIG game but never got arrested.
America has become a nation of PUSSIES, and liberal fuks. Unless the young peopele of today wake the fuk up and grow some then we will continue to spiral down to the level of 3rd world countries, and that is what our government wants.
If oprah can say that Conservatives need to Die to help our country then we need to reply with Revolution to restore our country is Duty.
There are many here on this forum that will fold and give in if the Government tells them too.

I WILL NOT I will die fighting for the America I grew up in and the Constitution of these United States.

[rondog]

I honestly don't think this is A&E shoving their beliefs down everybody's throat. They saw what he said as a threat to their ability to sell advertising on the show to companies that bend or break to the will of people. They made what they thought was the right BUSINESS decision for their advertisers. Advertisers this day in age don't want to alienate any group of people. They were thinking with only their pocket books and the black number at the bottom of the ledger. I'm sure they thought that if they kept Phil on the show that black number would turn red.

A lot of validity to that theory, no doubt.

[davsel]

I honestly don't think this is A&E shoving their beliefs down everybody's throat. They saw what he said as a threat to their ability to sell advertising on the show to companies that bend or break to the will of people. They made what they thought was the right BUSINESS decision for their advertisers. Advertisers this day in age don't want to alienate any group of people. They were thinking with only their pocket books and the black number at the bottom of the ledger. I'm sure they thought that if they kept Phil on the show that black number would turn red.

Not necessarily:
http://www.tmz.com/2013/12/19/duck-dynasty-sponsor-skyjacker-phil-robertson-homosexual-gay-church/

[Zundfolge]

I honestly don't think this is A&E shoving their beliefs down everybody's throat. They saw what he said as a threat to their ability to sell advertising on the show to companies that bend or break to the will of people. They made what they thought was the right BUSINESS decision for their advertisers. Advertisers this day in age don't want to alienate any group of people. They were thinking with only their pocket books and the black number at the bottom of the ledger. I'm sure they thought that if they kept Phil on the show that black number would turn red.
That may indeed be part of the thinking behind the decision, but I think they may have miscalculated this time.

[davsel]

I find it amusing how the LGBT community want the Robertsons to keep their lifestyle in the closet.

[newracer]

I honestly don't think this is A&E shoving their beliefs down everybody's throat. They saw what he said as a threat to their ability to sell advertising on the show to companies that bend or break to the will of people. They made what they thought was the right BUSINESS decision for their advertisers. Advertisers this day in age don't want to alienate any group of people. They were thinking with only their pocket books and the black number at the bottom of the ledger. I'm sure they thought that if they kept Phil on the show that black number would turn red.

I don't think so. I would bet the vast majority of the people that watch the show either have the same beliefs or really don't care one way or the other. Therefore the advertisers would have nothing to worry about.

I think this is just a way for A&E to try and push the show more the way they want it. They originally wanted they show to be like every other "reality" show about a family, lots of cursing and fighting and they didn't like the prayer at the end.

[<MADDOG>]

Meanwhile; ex Playboy playmates, NJ teenagers who should have been aborted after birth, and Honey Boo Boo can do whatever they want...

Isn't America great!

[nynco]

I personally think it is wrong to fire this guy for voicing his opinion. He harmed no person directly. I think it is vindictive and counter productive. The only thing it accomplishes is dividing each side further.

[Rucker61]

I don't think so. I would bet the vast majority of the people that watch the show either have the same beliefs or really don't care one way or the other. Therefore the advertisers would have nothing to worry about.



I think they were less concerned with a backlash against the show and more so with one against the whole network.

[Mtn.man]

And gays stayed in the closet,,, we knew who they were but no one worried bothered or cared. Now we gotta here about THIER rights daily.

[MarkCO]

My email is away...

To: 'feedbackaetv@aenetworks.com'

Subject: Phil Robertson

Message: You fired a man for stating his religious convictions. How INTOLERANT. Bye-bye.

[Ronin13]

I honestly don't think this is A&E shoving their beliefs down everybody's throat. They saw what he said as a threat to their ability to sell advertising on the show to companies that bend or break to the will of people. They made what they thought was the right BUSINESS decision for their advertisers. Advertisers this day in age don't want to alienate any group of people. They were thinking with only their pocket books and the black number at the bottom of the ledger. I'm sure they thought that if they kept Phil on the show that black number would turn red.
Wouldn't the simple thing they could have done have been just issue a statement that the opinions referenced in the GQ article do not represent the official stance of A+E Networks, their affiliates or sponsors? Instead they are so quick to distance themselves as far as possible from the man while trying to keep the show intact that in the end what it's really doing is creating a lot more backlash that they were trying to avoid. Recent reports show 5 Facebook support pages expressing support for Phil with over 600,000 likes, 2 petitions with over 100,000 individual signatures, a Change.org petition, and 4 letters from mass groups of Duck Dynasty fans condemning the decision to suspend Phil from filming... Yeah, I'd say their little plan to save face is backfiring, considering the LGBT community and GLAAD are severely outnumbered by the show's 14 million fans.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Well if I understand correctly Phil was suspended as a direct result of his comments. A&E's actions serve as a public shaming.

Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk

No, my friend, I politely disagree.
1A guarantees your free speech.
It does not guarantee you an audience and it certainly doesn't guarantee you a mechanism to reach massive amounts of the population when someone else privately owns this mechanism.

[n8tive97]

My email is away...

To: 'feedbackaetv@aenetworks.com'

Subject: Phil Robertson

Message: You fired a man for stating his religious convictions. How INTOLERANT. Bye-bye.

I sent mine, I typically don't get involved but I'm chapped!

http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i433/n8tive97/1521883_640722965983192_961138274_n_zps7640d8e7.jp g

[Bailey Guns]

Who gives a rat's ass where he chooses to stick his johnson? Why is that relevant?

Ummm....it's probably really relevant to the rat especially when it's his ass on the line.

[CO Hugh]

Love the show.
Love the family.
I believe it is a calculated move by A&E. Not that they need to boost ratings, but more is always better in their eyes.

I don't know if calculated by A&E but certainly GQ, probably the rest of the leftists. What was Phil thinking GQ is read by yuppies!!

[n8tive97]

More A&E Contact info:
A&E contact info Ms. Abbe Raven, CEO A&E Television Networks 235 East 45th St. New York, NY 10017 ABBE RAVEN (CEO) Abbe.Raven@aetn.com WHITNEY GOIT (SR. EVP) whitney.goit@aetn.com ROBERT DEBITETTO (EVP) robert.debitetto@aetn.com COLLEEN CONWAY (Director of Non-Fiction Programming) colleen.conway@aetn.com GENERAL EMAIL: ae.viewerrelations@aetv.com ABBE RAVEN (CEO) LINE: (212) 210-9007 GENERAL TELEPHONE: (212) 210-1400

[Big E3]

How amazing in the land of the free they are now firing people for there religious beliefs. Aren't these the same beliefs from the same bible that the founding fathers based the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights on. Aren't we the same country that sends it's solders all over the world to squelch religious persecution when it occurs. Now the liberals in this country have determined that religious persecution is justified. A citizen has read the bible and relates what he believes it to say in public when asked. I don't have any idea what it looked like in Hitler's Germany when they began persecuting the Jews. I just don't think we as a country want to just let this kind of thing go without kicking and screaming, it doesn't matter under what guise they try to justify it. I just think there is no way the anti religious liberals could allow somebody with this much of a following to witness the bible to the masses. Take off the head of the snake and keep chipping away at morality.

[Rucker61]

I don't know if calculated by A&E but certainly GQ, probably the est of the leftists. What was Phil thinking GQ is read by yuppies!!

I wonder if it was a generic interview that just got bought by GQ?

[trlcavscout]

Glad to see the family announce they don't want to go on without Phil and are discussing options with a&e.

[nynco]

I think this article is well written and I have reposted on my FB feed. I am with you guys on this subject and boy did it set off a firestorm of about 300 replies 3 hours. But people are seeing my point which is in solidarity with what many of you are saying.

Here is that article http://themattwalshblog.com/2013/12/19/dear-ae-congratulations-you-just-committed-suicide/

[trlcavscout]

I think this article is well written and I have reposted on my FB feed. I am with you guys on this subject and boy did it set off a firestorm of about 300 replies 3 hours. But people are seeing my point which is in solidarity with what many of you are saying.

Here is that article http://themattwalshblog.com/2013/12/19/dear-ae-congratulations-you-just-committed-suicide/

I like it! I even got a laugh from the comments. People don't understand, a&e has their right to suspend him and we have our right to no longer support a&e over it. Hey now their hookers on horses show might be their best show?

[cofi]

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/12/19/duck-dynasty-cant-imagine-show-going-on-without-phil/

Looks like the whole family is ready to walk....good for them!

[blacklabel]

They should walk regardless of what A&E does. Don't support those who don't support you. A&E has shown their colors.

[ANADRILL]

I am from NE-La, and you would be hard pressed to find someone without these views. Screw A&E and the FuFus .

[Aloha_Shooter]

I think this article is well written and I have reposted on my FB feed. I am with you guys on this subject and boy did it set off a firestorm of about 300 replies 3 hours. But people are seeing my point which is in solidarity with what many of you are saying.

Here is that article http://themattwalshblog.com/2013/12/19/dear-ae-congratulations-you-just-committed-suicide/

OMG, nynco just posted something I agree with. The world is going to end!

[Beer]

[Colorado_Outback]

Hey now their hookers on horses show might be their best show?

Haha, caught the first part of that the other night, that old chicks lips are out of hand..

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

I think this is magnified to drive up ratings. Jack.

[Irving]

The NPR report on this was...disappointing.

[CO Hugh]

A&E's new show:

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[TheWeeze]

Wouldn't the simple thing they could have done have been just issue a statement that the opinions referenced in the GQ article do not represent the official stance of A+E Networks, their affiliates or sponsors? Instead they are so quick to distance themselves as far as possible from the man while trying to keep the show intact that in the end what it's really doing is creating a lot more backlash that they were trying to avoid. Recent reports show 5 Facebook support pages expressing support for Phil with over 600,000 likes, 2 petitions with over 100,000 individual signatures, a Change.org petition, and 4 letters from mass groups of Duck Dynasty fans condemning the decision to suspend Phil from filming... Yeah, I'd say their little plan to save face is backfiring, considering the LGBT community and GLAAD are severely outnumbered by the show's 14 million fans.

I don't think A&E made the right decision at all. I think they reacted harshly to the first round of backlash from the interview and now the backlash to the reaction is even worse and now A&E doesn't know what to do or how to handle it, especially now that the rest of the family wants to stand behind Phil.

The only reason this became an issue is because a network like A&E doesn't want to alienate anybody. They don't want any advertiser to look at a show and decide they don't want to spend their money with that network because they are intolerant or unapologetic for anything that the people on that show said.

MSNBC didn't fire Alec Baldwin because he dropped a homosexual slur, they fired him because of the negative view of him and I assume the companies that threatened to pull their advertising from his show after it all came out. All these networks live and operate in a capitalistic society and the end all be all of every decision they make is to ensure the highest amount of profit. If they're paying the Robertson family $200,000 per episode, they better be making twice that back in order to break even after production costs and marketing. If one company pulls a half million dollar ad campaign from the air because they didn't like what Phil said, then they're going to do something about it.

[Zundfolge]

The only reason this became an issue is because a network like A&E doesn't want to alienate anybody.
I disagree. I believe that despite the fact that the show has been tremendously popular and profitable, most of the A&E top brass would love to find an excuse to get rid of it. They only green lighted it in the first place because they thought it would be nothing but a "make fun of the hayseeds" show but low and behold the hayseeds in flyover country actually identified with these stupid bearded hicks (who turned out not to be as stupid as A&E thought) and now its a touchstone of mainstream Christian and conservative culture the A&E people don't want to believe exists let alone dominates America.

A&E was started to be sort of an NPR of Cable ... with off-Broadway plays, symphonies, BBC leftovers like Masterpiece Theater and maybe some shows from Jazz clubs at night. It was "Arts & Entertainment". It was meant to be an "intelligent" cable channel that would go out of its way to alienate Joe Sixpack and his ilk. Then Disney bought them and demanded they make money so like most cable channels devoted to arts, history, science and learning they became reality TV channels.

[hatidua]

like most cable channels devoted to arts, history, science and learning they became reality TV channels.

That's really the only aspect that bothers me as I look back to the days when I watched TV.

[trlcavscout]

I don't think A&E made the right decision at all. I think they reacted harshly to the first round of backlash from the interview and now the backlash to the reaction is even worse and now A&E doesn't know what to do or how to handle it, especially now that the rest of the family wants to stand behind Phil.

The only reason this became an issue is because a network like A&E doesn't want to alienate anybody. They don't want any advertiser to look at a show and decide they don't want to spend their money with that network because they are intolerant or unapologetic for anything that the people on that show said.

MSNBC didn't fire Alec Baldwin because he dropped a homosexual slur, they fired him because of the negative view of him and I assume the companies that threatened to pull their advertising from his show after it all came out. All these networks live and operate in a capitalistic society and the end all be all of every decision they make is to ensure the highest amount of profit. If they're paying the Robertson family $200,000 per episode, they better be making twice that back in order to break even after production costs and marketing. If one company pulls a half million dollar ad campaign from the air because they didn't like what Phil said, then they're going to do something about it.

I agree, but when you look at DD's ratings I don't seen many advertisers wanting to pull out. 44 million viewers on some episodes and like an average 14 million is what the news was saying. I think they still hold the record number of viewers from their Hawaii episode?

[Aloha_Shooter]

I disagree. I believe that despite the fact that the show has been tremendously popular and profitable, most of the A&E top brass would love to find an excuse to get rid of it. They only green lighted it in the first place because they thought it would be nothing but a "make fun of the hayseeds" show

^ This. [blaster]

[Dave_L]

Posted by someone on FB:

"'Like' if every single person on your fb news feed who's posting positive things about the Duck Dynasty guy's comments is a privileged, straight white person"

[MED]

This is the PC police and social engineering agenda at its worse, and this whole thing is ridiculous! Basically, this guy quoted scripture while discussing his views during an interview for a cheap rag. There is nothing in here that suggests that any action should be taken on these people. If they don't like his views, tough shit, don't read it. There is a huge difference between tolerance and acceptance. I tolerate a lot of different people, their way of life, and their ideas, but I don't necessarily accept them. This group speaks tolerance, but it is really acceptance that they want (to be mainstream) and they will go after any person, group, or religion that doesn't accept them. I really don't give a rat's freckled ass what they do; that is their decision, but I don't accept them as being right and my values and ideas belong to me and my family. I will stay out of their life and they can stay out of mine including bringing their bullshit message to my kid at school.

[Sawin]

This is the PC police and social engineering agenda at its worse, and this whole thing is ridiculous! Basically, this guy quoted scripture while discussing his views during an interview for a cheap rag. There is nothing in here that suggests that any action should be taken on these people. If they don't like his views, tough shit, don't read it. There is a huge difference between tolerance and acceptance. I tolerate a lot of different people, their way of life, and their ideas, but I don't necessarily accept them. This group speaks tolerance, but it is really acceptance that they want (to be mainstream) and they will go after any person, group, or religion that doesn't accept them. I really don't give a rat's freckled ass what they do; that is their decision, but I don't accept them as being right and my values and ideas belong to me and my family. I will stay out of their life and they can stay out of mine including bringing their bullshit message to my kid at school.

AMEN, my friend. This is what I believe to be the opinion of most Americans, ie. the silent majority. The loud mouthed left are the trouble makers... I just wish they'd sit down and shut up once in a while. Maybe they'd learn something.

[Dave_L]

What would happen if A&E did the same thing to someone that voiced support for the gay lifestyle?

Yeah...

[MarkCO]

What would happen if A&E did the same thing to someone that voiced support for the gay lifestyle?

Yeah...

Now that Chris Cheng gas come out as Gay, if he does not get renewed, they will go after Bass Pro in a major way.

[Zundfolge]

Now that Chris Cheng gas come out as Gay, if he does not get renewed, they will go after Bass Pro in a major way.

No, they won't. He's an evil gun owner.

GLADD and other "gay rights" groups are not pro-gay first any more than the NAACP is pro black first ... they are pro leftist/progressive/liberal/Democrat first.

[rondog]

Now that Chris Cheng gas come out as Gay, if he does not get renewed, they will go after Bass Pro in a major way.

The guy from Top Shot is a tailgunner? OMG.....

[Ridge]

I disagree. I believe that despite the fact that the show has been tremendously popular and profitable, most of the A&E top brass would love to find an excuse to get rid of it. They only green lighted it in the first place because they thought it would be nothing but a "make fun of the hayseeds" show but low and behold the hayseeds in flyover country actually identified with these stupid bearded hicks (who turned out not to be as stupid as A&E thought) and now its a touchstone of mainstream Christian and conservative culture the A&E people don't want to believe exists let alone dominates America.

A&E was started to be sort of an NPR of Cable ... with off-Broadway plays, symphonies, BBC leftovers like Masterpiece Theater and maybe some shows from Jazz clubs at night. It was "Arts & Entertainment". It was meant to be an "intelligent" cable channel that would go out of its way to alienate Joe Sixpack and his ilk. Then Disney bought them and demanded they make money so like most cable channels devoted to arts, history, science and learning they became reality TV channels.

Cash will always take precedence over personal beliefs of executives. The show makes huge money for the network, they wouldn't work to get rid of it. At the same time, they are beholden to the viewers, and if enough people complain that they feel it could hurt them, they will drop the offender.

It's Phil and Phil alone who will decide how this goes. He gets to decide between sticking to his beliefs, or keeping the cash coming in.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

Cash will always take precedence over personal beliefs of executives. The show makes huge money for the network, they wouldn't work to get rid of it. At the same time, they are beholden to the viewers, and if enough people complain that they feel it could hurt them, they will drop the offender.

It's Phil and Phil alone who will decide how this goes. He gets to decide between sticking to his beliefs, or keeping the cash coming in.

Good job repeating almost word for word what ET said about it tonight. Good thing my wife rewound it and played it for me.

[Cthulhu]

I was going to make a gay joke here…butt fuck it.

[Ridge]

Good job repeating almost word for word what ET said about it tonight. Good thing my wife rewound it and played it for me.

Hmm, I guess people DO watch that tripe. I just got home from work.

[Aloha_Shooter]

It seems to me that Phil already chose principle over payola. He said quite calmly that the TV show was eventually going to end and it didn't sound like he cared one whit. This is one case where the "stars" are about the only ones who don't seem to care about the cash -- and I admire them for it.

[sellersm]

How amazing in the land of the free they are now firing people for there religious beliefs. Aren't these the same beliefs from the same bible that the founding fathers based the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights on. Aren't we the same country that sends it's solders all over the world to squelch religious persecution when it occurs. Now the liberals in this country have determined that religious persecution is justified. A citizen has read the bible and relates what he believes it to say in public when asked. I don't have any idea what it looked like in Hitler's Germany when they began persecuting the Jews. I just don't think we as a country want to just let this kind of thing go without kicking and screaming, it doesn't matter under what guise they try to justify it. I just think there is no way the anti religious liberals could allow somebody with this much of a following to witness the bible to the masses. Take off the head of the snake and keep chipping away at morality.

And this is very close to the root of the issue here. It's all part of the movement to allow evil to triumph and to silence (and eliminate) Believers. Study history and the documentation of communism: 2 of their planks (core tenets) are what? PC and the promotion of sinful behavior (homosexuality, pedophilia, etc.) Any of those things sound familiar? Next thing we'll see is the pedophiles asking for the same 'special rights'.

This is a very core issue to the future of our nation and the media and the powers behind tptb are sending a very clear & strong message. Are you listening?

[Irving]

I was going to make a gay joke here…butt fuck it.

I laughed so hard at this my wife filed for divorce.

[Ridge]

And this is very close to the root of the issue here. It's all part of the movement to allow evil to triumph and to silence (and eliminate) Believers. Study history and the documentation of communism: 2 of their planks (core tenets) are what? PC and the promotion of sinful behavior (homosexuality, pedophilia, etc.) Any of those things sound familiar? Next thing we'll see is the pedophiles asking for the same 'special rights'.

This is a very core issue to the future of our nation and the media and the powers behind tptb are sending a very clear & strong message. Are you listening?

Believers of what? Jesus said to love everyone like He loves you, and He alone will judge them. And who the hell is promoting pedophilia?

[Great-Kazoo]

Believers of what? Jesus said to love everyone like He loves you, and He alone will judge them. And who the hell is promoting pedophilia?

He was using it as an example. However check out NAMBLA, They actually have been given free speech rights.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAMBLA

nambla.

[Rucker61]

He was using it as an example. However check out NAMBLA, They actually have been given free speech rights.

They're free to talk. No one has to listen.

[Rucker61]

It seems to me that Phil already chose principle over payola. He said quite calmly that the TV show was eventually going to end and it didn't sound like he cared one whit. This is one case where the "stars" are about the only ones who don't seem to care about the cash -- and I admire them for it.

This. I don't agree with what he said, but I admire the hell out of him for sticking to his convictions. A&E was just protecting their business. Phil is the real winner here. He's off the show, which it seems he was tired of. Duck Dynasty sales have to be spiking like crazy. And he was able to present his faith to a much larger and ever increasing audience.

[Sawin]

I laughed so hard at this my wife filed for divorce.

HAHAHA I actually grabbed my wife and made her read it!!!

[BPTactical]

They're free to talk. No one has to listen.

Herein lies the entire crux of the issue.
The "Activist"(insert appropriate subject at hand here) movements think everybody has to listen. Especially to THEM.
Activists are just pissy lil segments of the population that just can't mind their own business.
And now unfortunately they have an ignorant population who will listen to them.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Herein lies the entire crux of the issue.
The "Activist"(insert appropriate subject at hand here) movements think everybody has to listen. Especially to THEM.
Activists are just pissy lil segments of the population that just can't mind their own business.
And now unfortunately they have an ignorant population who will listen to them.

Bingo. This is the point I was trying to make yesterday.

[streetglideok]

Believers of what? Jesus said to love everyone like He loves you, and He alone will judge them. And who the hell is promoting pedophilia?

If you read the entirety of Phil's interview, he stated that he would treat gays no differently, and that it was up to god to judge them. He brought up how one thing leads to another, and another. All you have to do is pay attention to the world around you, and you will see it is happening. First the gays wanted to able to marry, they got it. Guess what that opened up? Polygamy. Not the worst thing out there to some men, but most women don't like that idea,lol. Now that homosexuality has been removed from the list of mental illnesses, and is publicly ok, there has been a push for pedophilia to become less taboo. It's not very public right now, but it will become more pronounced. Don't believe me? That's ok, just review your history lessons, and learn from them. 100 years ago, gay marriage was something unimaginable, my how things have changed. Islam promotes pedophilia, and they are pushing hard to make their beliefs the law here.

[Irving]

One can find posts on the darkweb all about active plans to normalize pedophilia.

[theGinsue]

And this is very close to the root of the issue here. It's all part of the movement to allow evil to triumph and to silence (and eliminate) Believers. Study history and the documentation of communism: 2 of their planks (core tenets) are what? PC and the promotion of sinful behavior (homosexuality, pedophilia, etc.) Any of those things sound familiar? Next thing we'll see is the pedophiles asking for the same 'special rights'.

This is a very core issue to the future of our nation and the media and the powers behind tptb are sending a very clear & strong message. Are you listening?


Believers of what? Jesus said to love everyone like He loves you, and He alone will judge them. And who the hell is promoting pedophilia?

Christianity teaches to hate the sin, but love the sinner. I saw nothing in Phil Robertson's comments to suggest he believes otherwise. I have gay/lesbian friends, but in no way does this mean that I either approve or accept their choices or lifestyles.

Without trying to proselytize, you referred to John 15:12 where Jesus said "My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you." but in Mark 12:30-31 he is also quoted as saying "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength. The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself. There is no commandment greater than these.” In the second scripture quote, notice which of these commands come first - to love the Lord. Since you brought it up, it's important to note that while Jesus loved everyone, He did not tolerate sin and called sinners out for their actions (consider when he drove out all of the sinners selling things at the Temple.). It's pretty clear where he stood on this. Sin is not acceptable, bit sinmers are to be loved. No man is beyond redemption in the eyes of the Lord.

Now, "Believers of what?". Actually having any faith in anything not of this world applies, but Christianity seems to be the most repugnant to the left. Why Christianity? I think this has to do with 2 main reasons. First, the teachings or morality and decency tend to obstruct the left's agenda to push a "do what you want" culture. If people are limited in how they behave and what is considered right and what is considered wrong, it makes it more difficult to accept whatever atrocities you want to subject them to. Next, and most importantly, Christianity teaches that there is but one true and all-powerful God and that this God offers everlasting life to anyone for nothing more than willingly accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior - to let Him be your Master. The left knows that you can not serve 2 masters. If you serve God, then you can not serve them. Additionally, if you have no fear of death because you know you'll continue on in the after-life, then what power, what control, can they have over you. If you serve another master and they can't take away your promise of salvation then how can they control you. This, ultimately, is what the left really craves - CONTROL OF US ALL. This desire IS EVIL in its purest form.

[theGinsue]

Man, can I kill a thread, or what?

[sellersm]

Christianity teaches to hate the sin, but love the sinner. I saw nothing in Phil Robertson's comments to suggest he believes otherwise. I have gay/lesbian friends, but in no way does this mean that I either approve or accept their choices or lifestyles.

Without trying to proselytize, you referred to John 15:12 where Jesus said "My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you." but in Mark 12:30-31 he is also quoted as saying "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength. The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself. There is no commandment greater than these.” In the second scripture quote, notice which of these commands come first - to love the Lord. Since you brought it up, it's important to note that while Jesus loved everyone, He did not tolerate sin and called sinners out for their actions (consider when he drove out all of the sinners selling things at the Temple.). It's pretty clear where he stood on this. Sin is not acceptable, bit sinmers are to be loved. No man is beyond redemption in the eyes of the Lord.

Now, "Believers of what?". Actually having any faith in anything not of this world applies, but Christianity seems to be the most repugnant to the left. Why Christianity? I think this has to do with 2 main reasons. First, the teachings or morality and decency tend to obstruct the left's agenda to push a "do what you want" culture. If people are limited in how they behave and what is considered right and what is considered wrong, it makes it more difficult to accept whatever atrocities you want to subject them to. Next, and most importantly, Christianity teaches that there is but one true and all-powerful God and that this God offers everlasting life to anyone for nothing more than willingly accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior - to let Him be your Master. The left knows that you can not serve 2 masters. If you serve God, then you can not serve them. Additionally, if you have no fear of death because you know you'll continue on in the after-life, then what power, what control, can they have over you. If you serve another master and they can't take away your promise of salvation then how can they control you. This, ultimately, is what the left really craves - CONTROL OF US ALL. This desire IS EVIL in its purest form.

Well said!


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Christianity teaches to hate the sin, but love the sinner. I saw nothing in Phil Robertson's comments to suggest he believes otherwise. I have gay/lesbian friends, but in no way does this mean that I either approve or accept their choices or lifestyles.

[snip]

Bullseye!

If you look at the churches that have been infiltrated by Liberalism, this separation has been broken down. They have newspeaked the Bible to mean acceptance of the person is the same as acceptance of his sin. That the sin and sinner are inseparable. And of course, we can't Biblically reject the sinner so we are compelled to accept the sin or we are no longer Christian.

Which challenges the very concept of salvation--separating man from sin so he may live with the Lord forever.

Anyone who thinks Liberalism stops with your paycheck is a fool. They need your soul and have no problem with stealing salvation to get it.

If you are atheist/agnostic, don't worry. They will force their Liberal religion down your throat too. At a philosophical level, they are removing the right all of us have to look at a behavior and say "that's wrong" or "that's right." Right now those behaviors are driven by identities group and PC politics, but as government amasses more power, it will come from the top.

For example, if you point out the FSA lifestyle is wrong, what happens?

[Sharpienads]

Man, can I kill a thread, or what?

I liked what you wrote, Thomas.

[MarkCO]

Well said Thomas.

Americans are being led to believe that the Judeo-Christian Ethic had no bearing on the success of our Nation. Nothing could be further from the truth. One does not have to be a Christian in order to benefit (at least on the mortal side) from living a life that adopts a code of ethics stated in Commandments 5 through 10. It would be folly for a non-Christian to attempt to force Commandments 1-4 on non-Christians. However, Christianity, in totality, is the religion being excluded from America, and I assert that it started in earnest in the early 1960s. Christians should have no bewilderment as to the why and how this has occurred. The Bible teaches that the heart of man is wicked and seeks folly at the same time Christ's teachings implore Christians to always be ready to give an account for the hope that is within them. The Bible also teaches that Satan is the great accuser and many Christian scholars believe the wealth and prosperity combined with the American Guilt has been a great tool of Satan. American Christians, at the same time the assault on Christianity started, went fortress and tried to cover sin instead of repenting from sin. The teaching to be "in the world, but not of the world" went the way of the Pharisees and legalistic teachings that condemned the sinner, feared the temptation and reduced God to "Sunday only" came into the Christian culture. One could even make the argument that the American Christian church has failed in the battle and stood by while America crumbled around us.

As for the future, any Biblical scholar, whether a professing Christian or not, will be able to tell you that every nation that attacked God's people (Jews, not Americans), were defeated. Our president is dancing with a Nation that seeks the destruction of Israel. History says that will not go well for Iran, nor the US. A study of Revelations will also reveal strong clues that America is not significant in the end times.

Have a Merry Christmas!

[BPTactical]

Well said Thomas.

Americans are being led to believe that the Judeo-Christian Ethic had no bearing on the success of our Nation. Nothing could be further from the truth. One does not have to be a Christian in order to benefit (at least on the mortal side) from living a life that adopts a code of ethics stated in Commandments 5 through 10. It would be folly for a non-Christian to attempt to force Commandments 1-4 on non-Christians. However, Christianity, in totality, is the religion being excluded from America, and I assert that it started in earnest in the early 1960s. Christians should have no bewilderment as to the why and how this has occurred. The Bible teaches that the heart of man is wicked and seeks folly at the same time Christ's teachings implore Christians to always be ready to give an account for the hope that is within them. The Bible also teaches that Satan is the great accuser and many Christian scholars believe the wealth and prosperity combined with the American Guilt has been a great tool of Satan. American Christians, at the same time the assault on Christianity started, went fortress and tried to cover sin instead of repenting from sin. The teaching to be "in the world, but not of the world" went the way of the Pharisees and legalistic teachings that condemned the sinner, feared the temptation and reduced God to "Sunday only" came into the Christian culture. One could even make the argument that the American Christian church has failed in the battle and stood by while America crumbled around us.

As for the future, any Biblical scholar, whether a professing Christian or not, will be able to tell you that every nation that attacked God's people (Jews, not Americans), were defeated. Our president is dancing with a Nation that seeks the destruction of Israel. History says that will not go well for Iran, nor the US. A study of Revelations will also reveal strong clues that America is not significant in the end times.

Have a Merry Christmas!

Mark and Thomas, nail meet hammer.
We are dealing with a faithless society that has no moral boundaries
A belief in something bigger than oneself is what has kept this country strong.

[MarkCO]

Mark and Thomas, nail meet hammer.
We are dealing with a faithless society that has no moral boundaries
A belief in something bigger than oneself is what has kept this country strong.

Bert, I do believe MOST Americans still believe in that, "Christian" or not. Some are asleep at the wheel, some have let personal issues cloud their judgement, some are too busy trying to feed their families (they get a pass in my book) and others, unlike Phil Robertson, have chased $ instead of stood on the foundation. Just not sure how to wake up those who are "sleeping" at the wheel. i think Phil woke a few of them up.

[Zundfolge]

Man, can I kill a thread, or what?
You said all that really needed to be said ... so I'd say you finished it, not killed it :D

[RblDiver]

Cracker Barrel's joined the Anti-Phil. http://www.tmz.com/2013/12/21/duck-dynasty-cracker-barrel-phil-robertson-boycott/

Edit: Aaaaaand, never mind. http://twitchy.com/2013/12/22/cracker-barrel-does-a-180-today-we-are-putting-all-our-duck-dynasty-products-back-in-our-stores/

[sellersm]

Bert, I do believe MOST Americans still believe in that, "Christian" or not. Some are asleep at the wheel, some have let personal issues cloud their judgement, some are too busy trying to feed their families (they get a pass in my book) and others, unlike Phil Robertson, have chased $ instead of stood on the foundation. Just not sure how to wake up those who are "sleeping" at the wheel. i think Phil woke a few of them up.

I believe that the persecution (coming and already existent) is waking some up.

I need to examine myself daily to make sure I'm walking as I should. If we all did that...


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Cracker Barrel's joined the Anti-Phil. http://www.tmz.com/2013/12/21/duck-dynasty-cracker-barrel-phil-robertson-boycott/

Edit: Aaaaaand, never mind. http://twitchy.com/2013/12/22/cracker-barrel-does-a-180-today-we-are-putting-all-our-duck-dynasty-products-back-in-our-stores/

I have to hope CB fired whoever made that initial decision. That person is 100% out-of-touch with CB's core demographic.

Just on the basis of sheer stupidity, that person does not deserve a paycheck.

[Singlestack]

Good thread and discussion. "Love the sinner but hate the sin" is absolutely the teachings of Christianity. I do have some lib/progressive family and acquaintances. The most liberal of them completely reject that idea, and claim it is impossible to hate sin but love the sinner - and Christians only say that as a way to obfuscate their bigotry toward others. I have unsuccessfully tried to explain this, but my current thinking is there may be no understanding or accommodation reached with the most left of the bunch. Sad, but no reason to give up...

[KestrelBike]

I have to hope CB fired whoever made that initial decision. That person is 100% out-of-touch with CB's core demographic.

Just on the basis of sheer stupidity, that person does not deserve a paycheck.

Probably some hipster with an MBA from an Ivy League who used to giggle with their hipster friends about how Ironic it was that they, progressive thinker, suddenly had a job at Cracker Barrel of all places!!

[SamuraiCO]

For a bunch of knuckle dragging gun nuts you are well versed and have well stated positions. Thoughts are well stated.

[rondog]

I love their food, damn good thing there isn't one near me! But the last time I was in one the host that seated me was one of the gayest dancing fairies I've ever seen. The kind of guy who'd go for maximum shock value in a Gay Pride parade.

I have nothing against gays, we have several gay friends. I don't understand it, but it doesn't bother me as long as they act like regular folks, which our friends are. Good people, just different lifestyles.

But people who go way over the top with flamboyance and other "LOOK AT ME!" in-your-face actions and dress, regardless of sexual orientation, bother me. One of the things that gross me out the most is dreadlocks, can't stand them and have zero respect for anyone I see with them. Ugh.

[streetglideok]

Liberal progressivism is a mental health disorder, pure and simple. They typically did not deal well when their pet goldfish died and mommy flushed it. They then use it to justify their vegan beliefs, or blame it for their violent tendencies, and why no one should have guns. The preacher at church didn't sugar coat things enough for them, so church is bad. I think if you look at their upbringing, just like a couple of other mental health issues we are dealing with now, they had some problems growing up. Mommy and Daddy weren't good parents to them, either in their eyes, or in reality.

[Ah Pook]

Cracker Barrel's joined the Anti-Phil. http://www.tmz.com/2013/12/21/duck-dynasty-cracker-barrel-phil-robertson-boycott/

Edit: Aaaaaand, never mind. http://twitchy.com/2013/12/22/cracker-barrel-does-a-180-today-we-are-putting-all-our-duck-dynasty-products-back-in-our-stores/
Looks like someone is looking for cheap publicity.

Who reads GQ anymore anyway?

[Irving]

For a bunch of knuckle dragging gun nuts you are well versed and have well stated positions. Thoughts are well stated.

Wut'd you just call me?

[ChunkyMonkey]

Wut'd you just call me?
38403

[jerrymrc]

38403

Striking likeness. [LOL]

[SideShow Bob]

Striking likeness. [LOL]

Say what ?

[ChunkyMonkey]

Striking likeness. [LOL]

Wut? That primate is too emaciated.

[buffalobo]

Wut? That primate is too emaciated.

Give him a couple cheese burgers and a duck call and GTG.

Thumbs up to Phil and the rest of the Robertson clan. Stand.

[sellersm]

A&E loses Sheriff support for filming: http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/12/21/sheriff-takes-a-stand-announces-department-will-no-longer-assist-ae-during-filming-89533

[Mtn.man]

Per the Conservative Treehouse, the executive producer of Duck Dynasty, Scott Gurney, is a homosexual male who has appeared in gay porn before moving to the other side of the camera.
Truth stranger than fiction, a gay man is OK with giving the Robertson's a weekly platform.

[Ronin13]

Ginsue- Well put! My uncle was gay, and I cherish his memory for the man that he was, not the lifestyle he chose. I was unfortunate to not have gotten to know him very well (he passed away of AIDS-related complications when I was 4) but still love him in memory as the awesome uncle that he was - mostly from tellings from his brother (my dad) and my grandparents. While I can't honestly believe he is in hell because of the way he was, I do not agree with the gay agenda, but know that it doesn't affect me one way or another what someone is. I respect others' views to believe what they wish to believe, be it one way or the polar. I do, however, take issue with one side getting preferential treatment and the other getting public shaming. We're passed the point in our society where we can "agree to disagree." It has now become "You must believe in unison with one way or be looked upon as wrong." This is flat out un-American. No longer is a difference of opinion a talking point, it is now a declaration of personal war on another. Why?

I digress... Zund touched on this, and I read this great NewsBusters blog about that very issue- that the show was originally pitched to make fun of the backwoods hillbillies of Monroe, LA... The idea backfired and people began to identify with those hillbillies because of their morals, good nature, and the viewership began laughing with the Robertsons instead of at them, as the A&E execs intended... and that family grew beyond the producers' control. And now the family is backing their patriarch, and I feel that Duck Dynasty may not be on A&E for much longer.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-sheffield/2013/12/23/duck-dynasty-family-hits-back-after-phil-robertson-suspension

[Zundfolge]

Time and time again the leftist run entertainment media trys to lampoon "the right" only to have it blow up in their face. I call it; The Archie Bunker Effect.

Norman Lear created Archie Bunker as a caricature of the blue collar conservative that he thought was a bigoted idiot and ended up creating one of the most beloved characters in TV history.

Archie Bunker, Alex P Keaton, Ron Swanson, Denny Crane and now Phil Robertson (although he's actually a real person) ... all were put on TV to show America the "Stupid/Evil Conservative" and all were beloved by millions and seen as roll models, not villains.

[KestrelBike]

Those bottles are interesting....but how about providing a trivial detail like CAPACITY? [LOL]

I like how they make this out to be his personal beliefs. Uh, these ideals are far from individual when you are a Christian. Their principle document (or documented principles), the Bible, expressly state that homosexuality is wrong.

They have non-branded shotshell thermoses on amazon that looks like same thing, 25oz.

[hollohas]

Some here have expressed my views on this subject much better than I can. I think Ginsue nailed it.

I am betting 99% of the people in this country know of this "issue" and can give you their opinion on the subject. Why is that? Why is it that this particular case of a Christian expressing his beliefs and getting publicly lambasted for it brought out such a massive defense? I find it particularly interesting that there has been such a counter-offense supporting the subject of this particular non-PC/Christian opinion. I don't know why this has touched the nerve when so many other times similar cases didn't.

I am not very articulate so I will instead quote some of the particularly thought provoking articles I have read, highlighting points I think can transcend this issue and give us inspiration when facing other attacks against what we believe to be the ideals that are the backbone of this country.


Millions have already rallied to Phil Robertson's defense. That's extremely heartening. But whether those millions will "hold the line" against the considerable media counterforces of the Left remains to be seen. Christians have all too frequently accepted a mess of pottage in exchange for conceding the public square to their enemies. We've grown far too comfortable with our public marginalization and exclusion.
As with the ultimate outcome of the A&E / Phil Robertson clash, whether it will be the falling stone that looses an avalanche of stouthearted reprisal against the enemies of Christianity cannot be predicted. For the reasons stated above, I am mildly pessimistic about the matter. Silence and deliberate disengagement have become habits for too many of us.
Francis W. Porretto http://bastionofliberty.blogspot.com/




Our lost republic had recognized certain rights as being endowed by the creator, inviolable, irrevocable. Of these certain, inalienable rights is the right to religion, but that right is often misread and almost always misinterpreted....
...There is a deep necessity of those on the left to abolish Christianity. Now, I would say religion, but that is not true. They are accommodating of almost any religion, even phony religions, but not Christianity. To them, Christianity must be banished from the public eye. All references to Christianity must be striken from the record, banned from the schools, ripped from the monuments....
...The whole reasoning behind the Revolution is undermined if God is taken out of government, because it is religion that founded this nation, gave it spirit, emboldened its revolutionaries and sustained them in the darkest days. Think of George Washington dropping to his knees and praying for his troops, for the survival of the new republic...
T.L. Davis http://christianmerc.blogspot.com/2013/12/we-are-in-post-republic-america.html

[Mtn.man]

Now if Americans can get Cracker Barrel to reverse it's thinking then we should all apply the same pressure to the government and get them to start thinking.

It is time to stop turning the other cheek and start kiccking them in the Balls.

[MarkCO]

Now if Americans can get Cracker Barrel to reverse it's thinking then we should all apply the same pressure to the government and get them to start thinking.

It is time to stop turning the other cheek and start kiccking them in the Balls.

First sentence: Cracker barrel RELIES on the consumer for their business model to work. The .GOV just takes what it wants and there is NO business model as the vast majority of them have never relied on "The Man" for their paycheck nor had to be "The Man" to make payroll.

Second sentence: Just kick them OUT is my hope. :)

[ChunkyMonkey]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2013/12/27/duck-dynasty-ae-phil-robertson-controversy/4224507/
A&E calls off 'Duck Dynasty' suspension
(http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2013/12/27/duck-dynasty-ae-phil-robertson-controversy/4224507/)
Back to Obama's crap now?

[Dryfli]

And Phil's back...

[Gman]

I wish we would have such a unified reaction whenever the thought police try to shutdown any view that doesn't fully endorse their own.

...and this move just makes me loathe A&E even more. What a bunch of spineless little money-grabbers.

[CO Hugh]

Happy Happy Happy!!

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

I think this is magnified to drive up ratings. Jack.

Damn I'm smert.

[BPTactical]

To me this just undermined the entire "gay activist" movement. A minority gets in a tizzy and breaks out in little buttholes over one man's beliefs. Corporate Amerika breaks out in the same buttholes and cowtows to the minority.
Normal America is furious and speaks with their dollars.

You lose Nancyboys.....
As does Corporate Amerika for reversing itself.

[Skip]

First sentence: Cracker barrel RELIES on the consumer for their business model to work. The .GOV just takes what it wants and there is NO business model as the vast majority of them have never relied on "The Man" for their paycheck nor had to be "The Man" to make payroll.

Second sentence: Just kick them OUT is my hope. :)

Oh, they have a business model alright. Just a like a fat tick.

And we could seriously mess up that business model if we had our "stuff" together and were coordinated. Just think about this for a second.... What would happen to the feral government's ability to do "business" if the majority of Americans made it known we would not work or pay taxes until demands x or y were met. Who would buy our debt? Invest in business? Trust USD?

There are only ~90M Americans who are employed and pay taxes (including gov employees). How many of them are Conservatives? How long could big gov feed, clothe, house, and care for the other 225M? You know those pictures of Atlas? I'm convinced Conservatives make up the majority of the people holding this thing up--so we're doing it to ourselves.

As for Robertson, I'm glad he was vindicated. I hope they take their show elsewhere once this contract is up and are wildly successful. I hope Cracker Barrel goes bankrupt just on the basis of being that stupid if nothing else.

[sniper7]

I'm still with Phil. I hope this is their last season with A&E and they tell those Yuppies to have a nice life.

[Aloha_Shooter]

By the way, I understand Jan 21st is Chick-Phil-A Day ... it wouldn't hurt to participate even if Chick-Fil-A says they have nothing to do with it and A&E has backtracked. The Chick-Fil-A "boycott" and butthurt over Phil's comments have been the two biggest defeats GLAAD has seen.

[Great-Kazoo]

Spin it anyway they want. IMO The left was on track to derail DD things were looking up for them till.........'...............Jesse Jackson chimed in. Once that happened A&E / GLADD etc. Said fuck it, once Jesse gets involved, our credibility & and outrage are compromised.
After all, besides race baiters and Obama who actually takes JJ seriously.

[DavieD55]

Meanwhile in D.C. While many were distracted with The Duck Commanders views of homosexuality.


Eighty-five of 100 U.S. senators voted to renew the president’s power to indefinitely detain Americans, denying them of their fundamental right to due process.
On December 19, by a vote of 84-15 (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00284#position) (Senator Bill Nelson, Democrat of Florida, did not vote), the Senate sent the Fiscal Year 2014 version of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) to President Obama’s desk. Although an overwhelming majority of Republicans and Democrats signed off on the evisceration of the Bill of Rights, a small coalition of Independents, Republicans, and Democrats refused to accede to such a devastation

Read more
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/congress/item/17248-ted-cruz-indefinite-detention-retained-in-ndaa-2014

[sniper7]

Once something enters the written law of the land, it becomes exceedingly hard to remove it. Even out own gun laws will be a testament to that statement