Get in line, Register those guns and magazines

[wctriumph]

I would not do it. I did not do it in CA and I will not do it here if registration becomes a law in CO.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/12/26/connecticut-gun-owners-wait-in-line-to-do-something-many-gun-owners-hope-they-never-have-to/

Connecticut residents waited in long lines on Thursday to register their firearms and high-capacity magazines before the state’s new gun laws go into effect on Jan. 1, 2014.
WFSB-TV reports (http://www.wfsb.com/story/24309139/people-wait-in-line-to-reigster-guns-before-new-laws-go-into-effect) that a “long-line of people” stood outside the Public Safety Building in Middletown, Conn., all day to register semi-automatic rifles and high-capacity magazines. Several residents were upset with the “unconstitutional” requirement, while at least one person didn’t appear to mind.

“I understand why they’re doing it, but I don’t think it’s constitutional,” resident Scott Boccio told WFSB-TV (http://www.wfsb.com/story/24309139/people-wait-in-line-to-reigster-guns-before-new-laws-go-into-effect)as he was registering his guns.
Charles Gillette, who was registering magazines, told the news station that he would have a problem with it if the state was trying to ban the magazines or firearms, but said “if they want to just know where they are, that’s fine with me.”
However, not one gun owner who was registering firearms or magazines said they think the new laws will reduce gun violence.
“If people are going to do things illegally, they’re not going to be here registering their gun,” Jared Krajewski, another resident registering firearms, said.
For now, in Connecticut, the law is the law. The new gun control measures were put into place following the tragic school shooting in Newtown, Conn.
State police Lt. Paul Vance said that gun owners must fill our forms completely and some may require a notary.


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[ray1970]

"if they want to just know where they are, that’s fine with me."

[facepalm]


I bet these guys just wanted to know where all the Jews lived.... I suppose some of them thought that was just fine too. At first.

http://d3819ii77zvwic.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/004-0207071013-nazi.jpg

[merl]

I would not do it. I did not do it in CA and I will not do it here if registration becomes a law in CO.

Then you get to fear every police interaction where an unregistered item is present. Thats the trade you make there. Not like you could actually use an off registry banned item once the registry is used to collect them.

[Skip]

Charles Gillette, who was registering magazines, told the news station that he would have a problem with it if the state was trying to ban the magazines or firearms, but said “if they want to just know where they are, that’s fine with me.”

Any what public service/safety interest is being satisfied by them knowing where they are? Does knowledge of a gun's location prevent crime?

The only reason why they want to know where the guns are is so they can take them. Non-compliance with confiscation will be a serious offense (Stalin made it a capital offense, in NY the SAFE Act imposes longer sentences than sexual assault). CT gun owners have just documented they are gun owners and documented each of their weapons. There is no where to run and no where to hide.

[rbeau30]

Any what public service/safety interest is being satisfied by them knowing where they are? Does knowledge of a gun's location prevent crime?

The only reason why they want to know where the guns are is so they can take them. Non-compliance with confiscation will be a serious offense (Stalin made it a capital offense, in NY the SAFE Act imposes longer sentences than sexual assault). CT gun owners have just documented they are gun owners and documented each of their weapons. There is no where to run and no where to hide.[/FONT][/COLOR]

And pretty soon CT will follow NY with sending out these:
38515

[kidicarus13]

“I understand why they’re doing it, but I don’t think it’s constitutional” 3 years ago he was probably telling his friends, "From my cold, dead hands!" Those trying to remove firearms from society have formulated a plan and are acting on it. I wonder if it'll be complete during this generation or the next?

[lowbeyond]

I will comply because I wanna be a Law.Abiding.Citizen.

Oh and because the cops will kill me if i don't. Because you know they are just like you and me and strongly support the 2nd A right up until they get their paycheck. Then it all goes off the rails because their kids want to go to Disney world. Don't blame them, they are just doing their job. uh-huh

Yea.. Legitimate Government and Law FTMFW! ... All the way to a hot meal and a shower..

[trlcavscout]

I am sure a large percentage did not register any or at least all of their stuff. I don't blame them.

[merl]

Oh and because the cops will kill me if i don't. Because you know they are just like you and me and strongly support the 2nd A right up until they get their paycheck. Then it all goes off the rails because their kids want to go to Disney world. Don't blame them, they are just doing their job. uh-huh


You are being tongue in cheek here but anyone that does not believe this is the truth is deceiving themselves.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Merl, I'm not completely sure I'm following or 100% agree.


Then you get to fear every police interaction where an unregistered item is present. Thats the trade you make there.

How often does this happen?


Not like you could actually use an off registry banned item once the registry is used to collect them.

Why? No ranges right now are checking what you bring and use for magazines to ensure they aren't post July 1 mags. Most would probably silently cheer you if they thought you were.


I guess by the time you need to use whatever it is in question, worry about laws and jail and court are a distant second in terms of immediate concern. [Dunno]

[lowbeyond]

Nope

Not tongue in cheek at all.

You comply, or jonny law kills you should you object. Timmy needs a PS4. Sorry, its my job. Blah blah blah. Don't you worry your little head, a hot meal and shower is just around the bend...

Some will defend that practice - that voluntary act. They say that they are just like me and you, don't blame them, change the law, and that the cops have NO CHOICE and the rest of the rote excuses. The heroes on blue are doing it to keep you safe while you sleep. Respect them. Comply. Be a Law Abiding Citizen. The government is here to help! To keep all of you safe!

Sure. I'll get right on finishing that kool-aid.

I believe in fairy tales, don't you ?


Then you get to fear every police interaction where an unregistered item is present.
That is true. It is also not the fault of the person who refuses to register their guns

[merl]

Merl, I'm not completely sure I'm following or 100% agree.

How often does this happen?

Back when I was shooting on public land it was not uncommon for LE to drop by. Traffic stops do happen as well. Then we get into the See something Say something mentality, get along with all your neighbors?



Why? No ranges right now are checking what you bring and use for magazines to ensure they aren't post July 1 mags. Most would probably silently cheer you if they thought you were.

Lets ignore the mags as that is rather difficult to enforce. Say you have a complete ban on semi-auto rifles, what range is going to let you use one? None will because they don't want to get shut down.
Thinking more about the registered serialized gun side of it as that is the easier side to verify with a nice little database every LE can access. Registering mags, well if you didn't register any and have some there might be trouble.


I guess by the time you need to use whatever it is in question, worry about laws and jail and court are a distant second in terms of immediate concern. [Dunno]
Some truth to this but would you think twice about Biden's advice and opt for a good old side by side?

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Back when I was shooting on public land it was not uncommon for LE to drop by. Traffic stops do happen as well. Then we get into the See something Say something mentality, get along with all your neighbors?

Lets ignore the mags as that is rather difficult to enforce. Say you have a complete ban on semi-auto rifles, what range is going to let you use one? None will because they don't want to get shut down.
Thinking more about the registered serialized gun side of it as that is the easier side to verify with a nice little database every LE can access. Registering mags, well if you didn't register any and have some there might be trouble.

Or, maybe our LE don't bother to enforce it like they don't with the magazines. Maybe I save my semi-autos to shoot in neighboring states. Maybe I'm LE (I'm not). Even California isn't at a complete ban on semi-autos, so, I don't want to go down that road just yet, but obviously tons of possibilities with all this. What if we must register but not ban? Is every range going to verify that? Or are cops doing spot checks? They are under as strained resources as anyone, so this may not be the bang for the buck that traffic stops are. Am I friendly with all my neighbors? Even if I'm not, how do they know what I may or may not own?

The traffic stop is a decent question as well. I had started to write about how I have had one full pat-down, on a traffic stop in NM after I offered that I had a CCW.
Since that time, I'm told we really shouldn't even offer this info anymore, but it has been too long since my original CCW when this was the common advice. (I'm due for a refresher in another year or two).


Some truth to this but would you think twice about Biden's advice and opt for a good old side by side?

Not walking around out and about. $0.02
At home? Maybe, but I don't own one at this time.

[TFOGGER]

Canada's gun registry is a complete joke. Something like 1 in 6 guns in Canada are registered. I'd be surprised if the apathetic fools in the US get even half that many on the rolls.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2013/01/22/canada-tried-registering-long-guns-and-gave-up/

I don't expect the abject failure of registration in other countries to slow the liberals down though...

[Gman]

Guns? What guns? I just come here for the social interaction.

[rbeau30]

Guns? What guns? I just come here for the social interaction.

What he said.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Canada's gun registry is a complete joke. Something like 1 in 6 guns in Canada are registered. I'd be surprised if the apathetic fools in the US get even half that many on the rolls.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2013/01/22/canada-tried-registering-long-guns-and-gave-up/

I don't expect the abject failure of registration in other countries to slow the liberals down though...

AND, we have SO many more guns than the Canadians do.

http://www.dailycamera.com/boulder-county-news/ci_24791975/colorado-sees-record-number-gun-background-checks-2013

In the first 11 months of 2013, the Colorado Bureau of Investigation completed 354,880 background checks, compared to 335,940 for all of 2012, an increase of nearly 19,000 checks with December -- usually the busiest month for gun purchases in the U.S. -- still to go.

How can you possibly track something like this?
That said, maybe the NSA will give it a go.

[Skip]

Canada's gun registry is a complete joke. Something like 1 in 6 guns in Canada are registered. I'd be surprised if the apathetic fools in the US get even half that many on the rolls.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2013/01/22/canada-tried-registering-long-guns-and-gave-up/

I don't expect the abject failure of registration in other countries to slow the liberals down though...

Don't confuse the stated goal for the actual goal.

The real goal is to make all gun owners criminals and make a dent in the number of "force multipliers" on our side of the equation.

Registration schemes accomplish both. They are reinforcing the stigma associated with owning a black rifle and giving them to ability to justify extraordinary measures in dealing with non-compliance. Meanwhile, they get the fence-sitters to register and forfeit. Meaningful resistance will be "far right" and easy to marginalize. With strict penalties for possession/non-compliance, the Regime also gets to take out the strongest links in the opposition for non-crimes.

The folks who would join the resistance have another "mental block" in their way; if you wouldn't fight with a gun in hand, how could you ever find the courage to fight without one?

So from an objective perspective, a registry can be an abject failure, yet still accomplish the intended purpose for the Regime.

What keeps me up at night is these people have the smartest folks out there working for them using our tax dollars (which are taken from us and used against us). They know exactly what they are doing and even have good data on how we will respond. It's no accident that Bloomberg is very careful about where to spend his money.

[alxone]

"if they want to just know where they are, that’s fine with me."

[facepalm]


I bet these guys just wanted to know where all the Jews lived.... I suppose some of them thought that was just fine too. At first.

http://d3819ii77zvwic.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/004-0207071013-nazi.jpg
for your saftey we have nice camps for you to move into [Sarcasm2]

[blacklabel]

Then we get into the See something Say something mentality, get along with all your neighbors?

Or your parents.

[Dave]

Or your parents.
Or your in-laws....

[jerrymrc]

Or your Out-laws....

FIFY. [LOL]

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Don't confuse the stated goal for the actual goal.

The real goal is to make all gun owners criminals and make a dent in the number of "force multipliers" on our side of the equation.

Registration schemes accomplish both. They are reinforcing the stigma associated with owning a black rifle and giving them to ability to justify extraordinary measures in dealing with non-compliance. Meanwhile, they get the fence-sitters to register and forfeit. Meaningful resistance will be "far right" and easy to marginalize. With strict penalties for possession/non-compliance, the Regime also gets to take out the strongest links in the opposition for non-crimes.

The folks who would join the resistance have another "mental block" in their way; if you wouldn't fight with a gun in hand, how could you ever find the courage to fight without one?

So from an objective perspective, a registry can be an abject failure, yet still accomplish the intended purpose for the Regime.

What keeps me up at night is these people have the smartest folks out there working for them using our tax dollars (which are taken from us and used against us). They know exactly what they are doing and even have good data on how we will respond. It's no accident that Bloomberg is very careful about where to spend his money.

This is a brilliant post. Many great points indeed.

[bogie]

Lots of douches in New England...not surprised at all...

[buckshotbarlow]

Lots of douches in New England...not surprised at all...

Yep, and they're moving here from both sides of the coast...just look how many plates from cali, NY and all the other liberal bastions are moving here...AND VOTING to fuck this state up like their home state...

[rockhound]

anyone who thinks this is not coming here is kidding themselves. time for some very serious conversations with your family and a cold hard look at what your freedoms mean to you.i
When i think of the USA that we are handing my children, I am ashamed of what we are becoming.

[mcjhr]

Skip, great post! This truly is a chess match.
Lists are badmmmkay!

[ray1970]

Liberals really are stupid pieces of shit. Do they really think registration will make them safer?


Any form of firearm regulation isn't about safety. Never has been. It's about control.

[wctriumph]

Great posts here fellows, lots of good points.

Patriots all.


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[Portsider86]

Dear NSA, guns are bad, no true amerikan would support the 2A.

[68Charger]

I know somebody who lived in CT, but they just moved to NC a couple months ago because they wanted out before registration day...

[DavieD55]

http://media.timesfreepress.com/img/photos/2013/07/15/071613bBillboard.02_t618.JPG?ba5b5b122dd3d37cc13d8 3e92a6a0ec0d5bfa32a

[sniper7]

It's coming

[kidicarus13]

http://media.timesfreepress.com/img/photos/2013/07/15/071613bBillboard.02_t618.JPG?ba5b5b122dd3d37cc13d8 3e92a6a0ec0d5bfa32a

Was that a sign located in CT?

[RonMexico]

Was that a sign located in CT?

Idk but we need to raise funds to duplicate this billboard in downtown or boulder

[DavieD55]

Was that a sign located in CT?

No. It was in Dayton TN...should be in CT though. .

[sellersm]

These are indeed troubling times. There are some very troubling things coming very soon, and we all need to be really prepared. Post #26 is a good word.

[buckshotbarlow]

that sign is pretty kewl...

[sniper7]

that sign is pretty kewl...

If only every person had to read that and understand the meaning before voting....and since we know liberals would never understand...they don't get to vote!!! WIN!

[Dave]

If only every person had to read that and understand the meaning before voting....and since we know liberals would never understand...they don't get to vote!!! WIN!

You don't have to know how to read to be able to vote though.

[rockhound]

Sorry you should have learned by now that we have to vote on something then we can read the bill to know what is in it. seems the policy goes for who you are voting for, vote for them before vetting them that is how we wound up with obummer in the first place.

[osok-308]

Sad to see this happen. Especially since the people who voted for this law have no idea how firearms actually work, they just vote for whatever P Diddy tells them to. They're like Feinstein who says "when the bad guy sees that no one else has a gun, they'll turn theirs in" [hahhah-no] I'm eager to see how many lives are saved by this brilliant legislation *rolls eyes*.

[ZERO THEORY]

Don't confuse the stated goal for the actual goal.

The real goal is to make all gun owners criminals and make a dent in the number of "force multipliers" on our side of the equation.

Registration schemes accomplish both. They are reinforcing the stigma associated with owning a black rifle and giving them to ability to justify extraordinary measures in dealing with non-compliance. Meanwhile, they get the fence-sitters to register and forfeit. Meaningful resistance will be "far right" and easy to marginalize. With strict penalties for possession/non-compliance, the Regime also gets to take out the strongest links in the opposition for non-crimes.

The folks who would join the resistance have another "mental block" in their way; if you wouldn't fight with a gun in hand, how could you ever find the courage to fight without one?

So from an objective perspective, a registry can be an abject failure, yet still accomplish the intended purpose for the Regime.

What keeps me up at night is these people have the smartest folks out there working for them using our tax dollars (which are taken from us and used against us). They know exactly what they are doing and even have good data on how we will respond. It's no accident that Bloomberg is very careful about where to spend his money.

10/10 post

[lowbeyond]

No confiscation or registration scheme would work, but for the willing volunteers - the cops.

Do you think some paper shuffling bureaucrat or hahaha a politician is going to stack up on your door ?

Yea right

No it will be the volunteer security forces - cops, atf, fbi whatever. That simple fact seems to make some uncomfortable. Somehow they get a pass, and all notions of personal responsibility are replaced by - they are just following orders.

Nice!

[wctriumph]

We, in Colorado, must vote to set ourselves free. We cannot be apathetic at election time and allow the criminally insane to out vote us and keep their criminally insane representatives in public office. The recalls were an eye opener for the bad guys and we must make sure that the others that assisted them are removed from positions of responsibility and the laws restricting the second amendment are repealed and never considered again. You have shown that you have the power, never give it up again.

[Skip]

Thanks guys--I'm right twice a day. ;)

[johngraves2]

We have to educate people about what is happening, when it has happened in the past, and what has resulted from those past actions. That way people will learn that this is not ok! All gun owners need to be united to fight against this infringements. It makes no sense to argue with uneducated unintelligent people that cannot listen to both sides of an argument, but we have to stand together to fight this stuff.

[Mtn.man]

By the skillful and sustained use of propaganda, one can make a people see even heaven as hell or an extremely wretched life as paradise.
~Adolf Hitler (http://www.freequotesomg.com/quotes_by_authors/Adolf_Hitler_Quotes/)

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
~Thomas Jefferson (http://www.freequotesomg.com/quotes_by_authors/Thomas_Jefferson_Quotes/)
When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
~Thomas Jefferson (http://www.freequotesomg.com/quotes_by_authors/Thomas_Jefferson_Quotes/)

[hatidua]

I'm thankful that I'm 47, rather than 7.

When I lived in NC & FL I can remember guys that I fished with who were in their 70's/80's telling me about how the fishing was 50-60 years ago and how they were saddened about the state of things now (poor management coupled with greed has decimated some species). Although gun registration is a different genre/sport altogether, I can begin to see similarities: kids today will not likely have the same experiences I have had due to politicians altering what we can and cannot do.....'for our own good'.

[Mtn.man]

https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/p240x240/1538754_10202284192460285_193129223_n.jpg

[wctriumph]

The CT State Motto

"He who is transplanted still sustains"
(Qui transtulit sustinet)

The state motto of Connecticut is "He who is transplanted still sustains" (in Latin: Qui transtulit sustinet). The origin of the motto is uncertain but it has been associated with the various versions of thestate seal (http://www.statesymbolsusa.org/Connecticut/seal_CT.html) begining with the Saybrook Colony Seal. The Saybrook Colony was established in late 1635 at the mouth of the Connecticut River in what is today Old Saybrook, Connecticut.


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[lowbeyond]

Good job people in CT who stood in line like sheep. You made the people who think they are superior because something fell out of their vag feel good!

http://gunfreezone.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/moms-ct-registration1.png

[Skip]

Good job people in CT who stood in line like sheep. You made the people who think they are superior because something fell out of their vag feel good!



Those safety moms feel very powerful having their demands met and should be very proud of themselves. Someone show them what they've won...

http://blog.thefoundationstone.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/holocaust-nazi-shooting-mother-holding-child.jpg

If this consequence is realized, they'll be begging for the men they've emasculated to save them. But it will be too late for most.

We need to find a way to build a fence and put the consequences of their actions on their side of that fence. If they want a government monopoly on violence, I think they should get it. They deserve it. We deserve to watch with amusement and ask ourselves how anyone could ever be that stupid.

This same demographic is being taught a powerful lesson on Obamacare...

https://www.billwhittle.com/afterburner/end-beginning


[snip]

And the people they are laughing at the hardest are you young people, and you black people, and you liberal people, and especially you women. They are laughing at how easy it was to convince you to give up your life-long relationship with your hospital and OB/GYN, and how stupid you are, because of how simple it was, to convince you that people like me are a bunch of racist, misogynist, homophobic, Neanderthal villains so consumed by hatred of a Black President that we simply can’t accept it in the depths of our shriveled, charred little hearts. But if any of you – any of you! – had had the guts or the common sense, or done even the most fundamental basic questioning of power required of free citizens, instead of farm animals, you would have realized that the Tea Party is here for two reasons, the same two reasons, and only two reasons: Stop ObamaCare before it destroys our health care system, and stop this out of control spending before we all find our selves sitting in the dark around a few burning tires roasting rats on a spit.

[snip]

Useful idiots, all of them.

[BPTactical]

Post that picture to their Facebook page.
Tell them this is what happens when a population is disarmed.

[funkymonkey1111]

Post that picture to their Facebook page.
Tell them this is what happens when a population is disarmed.
what's going on in that pic? is it a guy holding a little kid? (it's just tough for me to tell)

[Irving]

Maybe Bloomberg will be the next Hitler.

[Skip]

Post that picture to their Facebook page.
Tell them this is what happens when a population is disarmed.

Can't. I was banned from that page about a week ago. :)

They are militant both in their demands for tyranny and the elimination of dissent. American Liberals put Stalin to shame.



what's going on in that pic? is it a guy holding a little kid? (it's just tough for me to tell)

It's a famous picture of mother holding her child before being executed by a Nazi. It's controversial because it was cropped for effect, but tells the same story.

There are many more that are NSFW and probably shouldn't be posted here, but here's a link with some powerful pictures...

http://dreamzz2020.blogspot.com/2008/12/nazi-atrocities-on-jew.html

A government monopoly on violence doesn't discriminate on the basis of age or gender. When groups of people are targeted by their government, women and children often get the worst of it.

[lowbeyond]

blah.

the MOMS dont care.

They think they will be the ones waving on the platform.

Shit its their Goal to be there.

[hatidua]

Maybe Bloomberg will be the next Hitler.

There's so much mileage I could get with that.....right before I get banned.

[Irving]

You mean like tinfoil stuff, or "you are so dumb for saying that" type stuff? Personally I think you could go either way on it. I don't think I was really serious, as Bloomberg seems intent on banning everything BUT life. Bloomberg is against the human experience.

The latest thing they are working on banning in New York is horse carriages by the way.

[hatidua]

You mean like tinfoil stuff

-more like might makes right in some situations, which can be abused if left unchecked.

[JoeT]

I moved to CT in March.

The one thing that has surprised me is the amount of "gun guys" that have registered. Reports today was that 30,000 have registered their guns/mags. rough estimates say that's about 15% of what's out there in circulation

I'm new to a "local" gun board out there and it seems as though I'm one of a few small minority that didn't register some are even boating about registering "extra" stuff (500 mags when they had 20, ar lowers and 80%ers) in an attempt to clog the system in paperwork

[DSB OUTDOORS]

Not in my life time. Da Goberment Aint Getten Notin, Who TF cares what we have? The Gov do. They don't want an uprising when the sh*t goes down and they will go to the law abiding citizens 1st and take what they don't think we have the right to possess to protect our friends, family, and Country!! When the Real Criminals get to do what ever they want!! AKA "OBAMA" [fyou]

[sellersm]

Another 'warning' from our friends in Canada: http://therightscoop.com/must-watch-gun-registration-is-here-and-it-will-only-lead-to-gun-confiscation/

[rockhound]

I think the question should be, What is the trigger that would cause confiscation? I don't want the govt to know any more than they should, however we should all be aware that just discussing firearms in an open forum has probably been a defacto registration of your firearms especially given the govt's leanings toward collecting internet data. I would have to assume that everyone I have ever emailed, texted or ever discussed a gun trade, ammo purchase or other gun related item with is probably now in a data base as being a possible gun owner.

The registration is more about what type of firearm you have and should you be the first one we visit. So what triggers the govt to show up and take them on a wide scale. It would seem that if the order is given to disarm the people then this country has come to a place that this order would be too late and the point would be moot. At that point the bullets would already be flying. At that point the country has come to a place of no return anyway.

If they are only getting 30% of the guns registered then what good does it do? How would they ever hope to actually disarm the population of the US. They cannot be everywhere at once. The hiding of firearms would be way faster than they can move.

The area like NY that are being slowly disarmed are the real threat. Being able to control the large areas of population is the key to being able to control everything. At what point will NY be disarmed, what does the Chicago gun sales ban being declared unconstitutional do to the lefties plan to have the major cities disarmed?

It seems that registration is unnecessary. if they really wanted to confiscate your guns then a door to door search would have to be conducted and that seems unlikely and cumbersome. Eve those that have registered probably did not register everything and if they over registered to "clog the system" then they have caused themselves issues when the come to collect the guns and they cannot produce the weapons they claim to have had.

So the question is what triggers the mass confiscation of the guns? World war? I doubt it... The govt would want us armed to deter the hostile takeover from another country. Economic collapse? Too late at that point. Hostile dictatorship seizing power of the us govt.? still too late... Incremental elimination of the right to own them and the fear of making you a criminal for owning one and causing you to hand them over voluntarily? Probably the most likely and the most villainous method, but again I believe still too late. Too many guns in the population, too many people who do not trust the govt, could and probably would cause civil unrest and possibly civil war. Are we that sheepish that the population at large would hand over their rights and willingly give up their rights and their neighbors rights?

If so why and what triggers that type of actions?

[kidicarus13]

I think the question should be, What is the trigger that would cause confiscation? I don't want the govt to know any more than they should, however we should all be aware that just discussing firearms in an open forum has probably been a defacto registration of your firearms especially given the govt's leanings toward collecting internet data. I would have to assume that everyone I have ever emailed, texted or ever discussed a gun trade, ammo purchase or other gun related item with is probably now in a data base as being a possible gun owner.

The registration is more about what type of firearm you have and should you be the first one we visit. So what triggers the govt to show up and take them on a wide scale. It would seem that if the order is given to disarm the people then this country has come to a place that this order would be too late and the point would be moot. At that point the bullets would already be flying. At that point the country has come to a place of no return anyway.

If they are only getting 30% of the guns registered then what good does it do? How would they ever hope to actually disarm the population of the US. They cannot be everywhere at once. The hiding of firearms would be way faster than they can move.

The area like NY that are being slowly disarmed are the real threat. Being able to control the large areas of population is the key to being able to control everything. At what point will NY be disarmed, what does the Chicago gun sales ban being declared unconstitutional do to the lefties plan to have the major cities disarmed?

It seems that registration is unnecessary. if they really wanted to confiscate your guns then a door to door search would have to be conducted and that seems unlikely and cumbersome. Eve those that have registered probably did not register everything and if they over registered to "clog the system" then they have caused themselves issues when the come to collect the guns and they cannot produce the weapons they claim to have had.

So the question is what triggers the mass confiscation of the guns? World war? I doubt it... The govt would want us armed to deter the hostile takeover from another country. Economic collapse? Too late at that point. Hostile dictatorship seizing power of the us govt.? still too late... Incremental elimination of the right to own them and the fear of making you a criminal for owning one and causing you to hand them over voluntarily? Probably the most likely and the most villainous method, but again I believe still too late. Too many guns in the population, too many people who do not trust the govt, could and probably would cause civil unrest and possibly civil war. Are we that sheepish that the population at large would hand over their rights and willingly give up their rights and their neighbors rights?

If so why and what triggers that type of actions?

I don't see a single event prompting gun confiscation/turn-in. You're looking short range, look long range. Think incremental steps. Each and every violent act involving a firearm has been, and will be, placed front and center by the liberal media and that in turn over time will cause the US population's views on firearms to slowly change. Let's just say our generation has 100,000,000 gun owners (made up #). Each and ever generation hereafter there will be less and less gun owners.

This will be accomplished by 1.) Stricter firearm laws on what can be purchased- no "assault rifles" or military rifles imported to the US 2.) Who can purchase them- more persons prohibited from owning firearms along with waiting periods and purchase limits/time 3.) How firearms can be transferred person-to-person- handing down from family member to family member will no longer be as simple as it is now.

It will become more cost prohibitive to shoot firearms due to higher range fees because 1.) more EPA restrictions 2.) costlier insurance requirements 3.) stricter city ordinances 4.) possible storage fee laws that will require firearm owners to meet certain storage criteria 5.) licensing fees because the government wants their cut, and 6.) ever increasing ammo costs due to the higher world demand for raw materials along with limits on ammo purchases and no more mail order ammo.

Gun owners will become the new cigarette smoker- a social stigma that no one wants but some have because of addiction. Being labeled a firearm owner will be a stigma and it will be uncomfortable to the newer generations. Each generation will have more obstacles to overcome to own and shoot firearms. The Constitution and its original intent and purpose will have less and less meaning with newer generations. When more obstacles are placed in the way and the nature of most US citizens is to take the path of least resistance, there will be fewer and fewer firearms purchased over time. When demand goes down, supply goes down and firearm companies shut down.

It seems so predicatble to me that I wish there was a way I could place a wager on it to retire rich. Just like a major financial collapse in the US... it's not IF, but WHEN.

[cofi]

Gun owners will become the new cigarette smoker.
that sums it up perfectly

[n8tive97]

Another 'warning' from our friends in Canada: http://therightscoop.com/must-watch-gun-registration-is-here-and-it-will-only-lead-to-gun-confiscation/

Worth the 6:15 minutes it took to watch......

[n8tive97]

Gun owners will become the new cigarette smoker- a social stigma that no one wants but some have because of addiction. Being labeled a firearm owner will be a stigma and it will be uncomfortable to the newer generations. Each generation will have more obstacles to overcome to own and shoot firearms. The Constitution and its original intent and purpose will have less and less meaning with newer generations. When more obstacles are placed in the way and the nature of most US citizens is to take the path of least resistance, there will be fewer and fewer firearms purchased over time. When demand goes down, supply goes down and firearm companies shut down.

Agree

[rockhound]

I don't see a single event prompting gun confiscation/turn-in. You're looking short range, look long range. Think incremental steps. Each and every violent act involving a firearm has been, and will be, placed front and center by the liberal media and that in turn over time will cause the US population's views on firearms to slowly change. Let's just say our generation has 100,000,000 gun owners (made up #). Each and ever generation hereafter there will be less and less gun owners.

This will be accomplished by 1.) Stricter firearm laws on what can be purchased- no "assault rifles" or military rifles imported to the US 2.) Who can purchase them- more persons prohibited from owning firearms along with waiting periods and purchase limits/time 3.) How firearms can be transferred person-to-person- handing down from family member to family member will no longer be as simple as it is now.

It will become more cost prohibitive to shoot firearms due to higher range fees because 1.) moreEPA restrictions 2.) costlier insurance requirements 3.) stricter city ordinances 4.) possible storage fee laws that will require firearm owners to meet certain storage criteria 5.) licensing fees because the government wants their cut, and 6.) ever increasing ammo costs due to the higher world demand for raw materials along with limits on ammo purchases and no more mail order ammo.

Gun owners will become the new cigarette smoker- a social stigma that no one wants but some have because of addiction. Being labeled a firearm owner will be a stigma and it will be uncomfortable to the newer generations. Each generation will have more obstacles to overcome to own and shoot firearms. The Constitution and its original intent and purpose will have less and less meaning with newer generations. When more obstacles are placed in the way and the nature of most US citizens is to take the path of least resistance, there will be fewer and fewer firearms purchased over time. When demand goes down, supply goes down and firearm companies shut down.

It seems so predicatble to me that I wish there was a way I could place a wager on it to retire rich. Just like a major financial collapse in the US... it's not IF, but WHEN.

exactly my point, the original thread and some of theresponses were that you should not register your guns,
I don't see why registration would be needed was my point, they are not just going to come take them.. they will do it other ways

[wctriumph]

Here you go, in CT a guy is nailed for a unregistered magazine.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/guns/connecticut-man-one-first-people-charged-under-new-state-gun-laws

By Khier Casino (http://www.opposingviews.com/users/khier-casino), Tue, January 07, 2014

A Bridgeport, Conn., man is believed to be one of the first people in the state to be charged with failing to register a gun magazine under new laws on Sunday.
According to Norwalk Police reports, Tyrone Watson, 30, of Bridgeport, was charged for possession of a high-capacity magazine on or after Jan. 1, 2014, that was obtained before April 5, 2013. His court date is Jan. 17, The Hour reported (http://www.thehour.com/news/norwalk/police-man-violated-new-gun-law/article_8f850412-69cf-5772-8942-fb7f302eff3d.html).
Watson was pulled over on Water Street at 1:25 a.m. Sunday. The officer who stopped Watson believed he was being tailgated by him, police said.
During his interview with police, the officer had seen that Watson had a valid pistol permit.
While Watson was being patted down, the officer found a handgun, which was loaded with 11 bullets, and had a magazine that could handle 15 rounds, the Norwalk Daily Voice reported (http://norwalk.dailyvoice.com/police-fire/bridgeport-man-gets-norwalks-first-ticket-under-states-new-gun-law).
According to the state’s new legislation, which went into effect Jan. 1, it is illegal to buy, sell or manufacture magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds. High-capacity magazines that were purchased prior to the passage of the new law had registered by Dec. 31.
Watson was advised of the new law, and he told Norwalk officers that he was unaware of the law or the deadline, according to the police report.
A subpoena was issued by police, and the gun and magazine were returned to Watson. According to police, Watson was told to store the items in his trunk until he got home.

[Rucker61]

Here you go, in CT a guy is nailed for a unregistered magazine.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/guns/connecticut-man-one-first-people-charged-under-new-state-gun-laws

By Khier Casino (http://www.opposingviews.com/users/khier-casino), Tue, January 07, 2014

A Bridgeport, Conn., man is believed to be one of the first people in the state to be charged with failing to register a gun magazine under new laws on Sunday.
According to Norwalk Police reports, Tyrone Watson, 30, of Bridgeport, was charged for possession of a high-capacity magazine on or after Jan. 1, 2014, that was obtained before April 5, 2013. His court date is Jan. 17, The Hour reported (http://www.thehour.com/news/norwalk/police-man-violated-new-gun-law/article_8f850412-69cf-5772-8942-fb7f302eff3d.html).
Watson was pulled over on Water Street at 1:25 a.m. Sunday. The officer who stopped Watson believed he was being tailgated by him, police said.
During his interview with police, the officer had seen that Watson had a valid pistol permit.
While Watson was being patted down, the officer found a handgun, which was loaded with 11 bullets, and had a magazine that could handle 15 rounds, the Norwalk Daily Voice reported (http://norwalk.dailyvoice.com/police-fire/bridgeport-man-gets-norwalks-first-ticket-under-states-new-gun-law).
According to the state’s new legislation, which went into effect Jan. 1, it is illegal to buy, sell or manufacture magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds. High-capacity magazines that were purchased prior to the passage of the new law had registered by Dec. 31.
Watson was advised of the new law, and he told Norwalk officers that he was unaware of the law or the deadline, according to the police report.
A subpoena was issued by police, and the gun and magazine were returned to Watson. According to police, Watson was told to store the items in his trunk until he got home.
CNN/Bloomberg New/Denver Post BREAKING NEWS: Mass murder averted! 11-15 lives saved by new law! [15 pictures of children published with story]

[merl]

Here you go, in CT a guy is nailed for a unregistered magazine.
Watson was advised of the new law, and he told Norwalk officers that he was unaware of the law or the deadline, according to the police report.
A subpoena was issued by police, and the gun and magazine were returned to Watson. According to police, Watson was told to store the items in his trunk until he got home.


Never talk to the police? I strongly doubt a check could have been made on the database created 9 days ago. Eventually, absolutely there will be a database that can be checked since it isn't growing any more but not right now.

[kidicarus13]

"...the gun and magazine were returned to Watson." SHOCKING!

[rondog]

Register our gu-u-u-u-ns! It's go-o-o-o-d for u-u-u-u-s! Oba-a-a-a-ma said s-o-o-o-o!

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