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While I don't think Polis is perfect, I think it is good to praise someone for doing something good. Polis just introduced a bill to restore 2nd Amendment rights to medical marijuana users. Regardless of the debate about drugs, I think it is good to lift restrictions on the rights to bare arms.
Colorado Representative Jared Polis (http://polis.house.gov/) introduced a bill (http://legiscan.com/US/text/HB3483/id/898659) last month that would reinstate the right of medicinal marijuana users to legally purchase and possess firearms, a right which has been expressly denied by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms for nearly two years.
http://www.guns.com/2013/12/27/bill-seeks-allow-medicinal-marijuana-users-legally-purchase-possess-firearms-video/
Trying to appease gun owners and pot heads with an upcoming election year. I'm shocked.
JMBD2112
12-28-2013, 13:31
Trying to appease gun owners and pot heads with an upcoming election year. I'm shocked.
Yep exactly
BPTactical
12-28-2013, 13:32
And yet he supports closing BLM land to shooting.
May he pack a bag of hammers where the sun doesn't shine.
Its a step in the right direction and a reflection of battles won. I don't think people should lose their rights for pot. But I also don't think people should lose their 2nd amendment rights for anything but a murder conviction. The gov gives out felonies for everything now and with it strips away the rights of millions forever.
Jumpstart
12-28-2013, 13:38
"right which has been expressly denied by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms for nearly two years." BATF is a law enforcement entity NOT a legislative entity. Who gave the BATF the authority to deny RIGHTS in the first place? That is for legislative bodies to decide. BATF is out of bounds..... again.
While I don't think Polis is perfect, I think it is good to praise someone for doing something good. Polis just introduced a bill to restore 2nd Amendment rights to medical marijuana users. Regardless of the debate about drugs, I think it is good to lift restrictions on the rights to bare arms.
http://www.guns.com/2013/12/27/bill-seeks-allow-medicinal-marijuana-users-legally-purchase-possess-firearms-video/
Yeah, lets praise this guy for being a typical full of shit politician. Are you really so ignorant that you believe dems wont sell out your 2a rights the first time their party tells them to?
Jesus-With-A-.45
12-28-2013, 13:41
I hope polis gets sodomized by a nail gun.
Yeah, lets praise this guy for being a typical full of shit politician. Are you really so ignorant that you believe dems wont sell out your 2a rights the first time their party tells them to?
My overall goal is to make 2nd Amendment rights a bi partisan issue. When that happens, then we won. Till then fight those who are against those and give praise when someone does the right thing. If 2nd Amendments rights stay as GOP thing alone then you are only one election away from losing them and the pendulum no matter how much you try will always go back and forth on those two crappy parties.
...I think it is good to lift restrictions on the rights to bare arms.
38577
Its a step in the right direction and a reflection of battles won. I don't think people should lose their rights for pot. But I also don't think people should lose their 2nd amendment rights for anything but a murder conviction. The gov gives out felonies for everything now and with it strips away the rights of millions forever.
Fine. I'll just say it. You're an idiot.
wctriumph
12-28-2013, 13:50
I have sent emails to my representatives in DC to support this legislation because it makes sense. Because of the "rule" that keeps medical pot users from exercising their constitutional rights my wife is denied the ability to legally defend herself, even at home. I don't care for Polis but this legislation makes sense.
I have sent emails to my representatives in DC to support this legislation because it makes sense. Because of the "rule" that keeps medical pot users from exercising their constitutional rights my wife is denied the ability to legally defend herself, even at home. I don't care for Polis but this legislation makes sense.
Bingo
What's he gonna do for those of us that don't use pot? How about restoring our 2nd Amendment rights?
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Polis is a two faced socialist cocksucker. I hope he stumbles blindfolded into the Valley of Acme Rakes...
Its a step in the right direction. At least he is acknowledging such things as 2nd Amendment rights. Like I said, you want to end the gun debate then praise people for doing the right thing even when they sometimes don't. I am not saying you need to vote for the guy, that is your business. I am just saying its a step forward.
May he pack a bag of hammers where the sun doesn't shine.
-have you no sympathy for hammers whatsoever?!
trlcavscout
12-28-2013, 14:19
Rapists, drug addicts, violent offenders, drunks, Obama supporters, etc etc should not be near guns. Children who have been drugged for years should also not be near guns. Every time they fuck up its us who pay for it. Why blame the drugs, alcohol etc?
I know freedom, regulation blah blah, but some people can't be trusted and self policing doesn't seem to work. So what is the answer?
California, california, we want to be like you.
Polis is a poitician and is wanting to stay that way. Fuk him. fuk stoners.
I have sent emails to my representatives in DC to support this legislation because it makes sense. Because of the "rule" that keeps medical pot users from exercising their constitutional rights my wife is denied the ability to legally defend herself, even at home. I don't care for Polis but this legislation makes sense.
So unless I'm mistaken, correct me if I am but you technically give up your right to defend yourself in CO when you have any alcohol in your system-Prohibited Use?
Repost https://www.ar-15.co/threads/119719-Email-from-Rep-Jared-Polis
osok-308
12-28-2013, 15:15
My overall goal is to make 2nd Amendment rights a bi partisan issue. When that happens, then we won. Till then fight those who are against those and give praise when someone does the right thing. If 2nd Amendments rights stay as GOP thing alone then you are only one election away from losing them and the pendulum no matter how much you try will always go back and forth on those two crappy parties.
FALSE. The goal is to make the 2nd amendment not a political issue at all. It should not be a matter of left vs right at all. The goal is to make it akin to the 4th amendment or even the 1st where there is no debate on the amendment at all. Much like how people say "i may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death the right to say it". There should also be people who say "I may disagree with you feeling that you need to protect your family with a gun, but I will defend to the death your right to do it." Until this right is embraced by all to the point that it is not a political issue, but rather a freedom issue, then we will continue to vote for the lesser of two evils.
BPTactical
12-28-2013, 15:22
-have you no sympathy for hammers whatsoever?!
Valid point Mark.
I should not advocate abusing tools.
Only Harbor Freight hammers then.....[hammer]
hurley842002
12-28-2013, 15:30
FALSE. The goal is to make the 2nd amendment not a political issue at all. It should not be a matter of left vs right at all. The goal is to make it akin to the 4th amendment or even the 1st where there is no debate on the amendment at all. Much like how people say "i may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death the right to say it". There should also be people who say "I may disagree with you feeling that you need to protect your family with a gun, but I will defend to the death your right to do it." Until this right is embraced by all to the point that it is not a political issue, but rather a freedom issue, then we will continue to vote for the lesser of two evils.
WIN!
Great-Kazoo
12-28-2013, 15:33
Repost https://www.ar-15.co/threads/119719-Email-from-Rep-Jared-Polis
thats what I was going to say Rabid
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/119719-Email-from-Rep-Jared-Polis
it got 5 pages worth of responses in the legislation section.
Looks like i'm a Little late to the party.
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/119719-Email-from-Rep-Jared-Polis
FWIW: There's a whole forum LEGISLATION & POLITICS If some folks visited prior to posting could see this has already been discussed.
wctriumph
12-28-2013, 15:48
Polis is in the Congress and I support this bill to restore second amendment rights to medical marijuana users. The fed prohibition against pot along with Colorado law does not allow my wife to even touch a gun, let alone own one. If a person illegally entered our home intent on doing harm and I was not there, if she uses one of my guns to defend herself and our daughter she could be prosecuted under these regulations and laws for simply exercising her natural and constitutional rights. It is ridiculous. Hey, you don't like pot, well good for you. I don't care to use it either. However, it is effective in helping my wife to have some quality of life and not be strung out on man made and extremely costly narcotics. I've seen her on the prescribed drugs for pain and her other symptoms, she can't function on them. With a few hits on a joint each day she is able to do things like cook, take a shower and help me with the shopping, all manner of activities and stuff I imagine some of you would take for granted. For her it is not about getting stoned, it is for relief of pain and quality of life. And believe it or not, pot costs me less than the med's that she no longer has to take EVERY DAY.
I hope and pray that you all never have to cope with what she copes with every hour of the day. This is a good piece of legislation and I support it.
FALSE. The goal is to make the 2nd amendment not a political issue at all. It should not be a matter of left vs right at all. The goal is to make it akin to the 4th amendment or even the 1st where there is no debate on the amendment at all. Much like how people say "i may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death the right to say it". There should also be people who say "I may disagree with you feeling that you need to protect your family with a gun, but I will defend to the death your right to do it." Until this right is embraced by all to the point that it is not a political issue, but rather a freedom issue, then we will continue to vote for the lesser of two evils.
I think we are saying the same thing here.
ChunkyMonkey
12-28-2013, 17:02
Liberals are so gullible.
Valid point Mark.
I should not advocate abusing tools.
Only Harbor Freight hammers then.....[hammer]
Elitist!!!
Do those harbor freight hammers not have feelings too, why is it only the snap on tools that get respect! I say we need to be understanding ofeach others views and not discriminate against hammers of cheaper price. Until you agree I will simply call you every derogatory name in the book.....Conservative [Coffee]
[Beer]
Have to disagree with some of you. Polis is the only .gov official including republicans that I wrote to during the scare that replied that he was not in favor of any additional gun control and instead favored a new approach to mental health care and social care.
sent from a soup can and some string..
sneakerd
12-28-2013, 17:27
I hate all Democrats and and believe anything Polis does in some way benefits him and thus supports his basic point of view.
SideShow Bob
12-28-2013, 17:52
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Polis is a two faced socialist cocksucker. I hope he stumbles blindfolded into the Valley of Acme Rakes...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9desZZG_VWk
Elitist!!!
Do those harbor freight hammers not have feelings too, why is it only the snap on tools that get respect! I say we need to be understanding ofeach others views and not discriminate against hammers of cheaper price. Until you agree I will simply call you every derogatory name in the book.....Conservative [Coffee]
[Beer]
That's just racist......LOL
Sorry but you CAN pat this guy on the back for taking steps down the right path. Doesn't mean you have to take the knife from his throat with the other hand.
screagle2
12-28-2013, 19:04
Yeah, lets praise this guy for being a typical full of shit politician. Are you really so ignorant that you believe dems wont sell out your 2a rights the first time their party tells them to?
This^. He is VERY MUCH a proponent of the laws that were passed last year, and would like to see them nationally, at a minimum. He was very clear on this during discussions.
BPTactical
12-28-2013, 19:57
Elitist!!!
Do those harbor freight hammers not have feelings too, why is it only the snap on tools that get respect! I say we need to be understanding ofeach others views and not discriminate against hammers of cheaper price. Until you agree I will simply call you every derogatory name in the book.....Conservative [Coffee]
[Beer]
Mffffttt!
Shows you what you know!
Quality work comes from quality tools.
That's why you your computer work is top notch Mazin.
YOUR a quality tool[Gas1]
Seriously though Polis is two sides of a coin and we can never forget how a politician works. The will always take more than they give.
Sorry but you CAN pat this guy on the back for taking steps down the right path. Doesn't mean you have to take the knife from his throat with the other hand.
Agreed.
jerrymrc
12-28-2013, 20:23
That's just racist......LOL
Yep. Our members of Chinese heritage will be along shortly to present another point of view. Where is MB888 when ya need him. [LOL]
OtterbatHellcat
12-28-2013, 20:25
I hope he stumbles blindfolded into the Valley of Acme Rakes...
I laughed really hard at this...
That's just racist......LOL
[ROFL1]
Aloha_Shooter
12-28-2013, 21:26
nynco, while I agree that gun rights should be a bipartisan issue (as it used to be), this bill is just Polis covering his posterior after the recall elections. Look at his legislative history and you'll understand why so many of us are skeptical about his "change of heart". The best thing you can do for your gun rights is vote him out of office if you're in his district then help the rest of us vote Hickenlooper, Bennet and Udall out too.
clublights
12-28-2013, 21:47
Polis is in the Congress and I support this bill to restore second amendment rights to medical marijuana users. The fed prohibition against pot along with Colorado law does not allow my wife to even touch a gun, let alone own one. If a person illegally entered our home intent on doing harm and I was not there, if she uses one of my guns to defend herself and our daughter she could be prosecuted under these regulations and laws for simply exercising her natural and constitutional rights. It is ridiculous. Hey, you don't like pot, well good for you. I don't care to use it either. However, it is effective in helping my wife to have some quality of life and not be strung out on man made and extremely costly narcotics. I've seen her on the prescribed drugs for pain and her other symptoms, she can't function on them. With a few hits on a joint each day she is able to do things like cook, take a shower and help me with the shopping, all manner of activities and stuff I imagine some of you would take for granted. For her it is not about getting stoned, it is for relief of pain and quality of life. And believe it or not, pot costs me less than the med's that she no longer has to take EVERY DAY.
I hope and pray that you all never have to cope with what she copes with every hour of the day. This is a good piece of legislation and I support it.
Folks like you are the problem with the way MMJ has been treated. There IS A real need for it your wife is an example. The problem is that MMJ is a fucking joke 2/3r's of the potheads I know have a " red card" and all of them are for bullshit reasons.
If it had been used correctly by doctors few here would not agree with this law.
I'm a toss up on it. Should medications be a reason to restrict gun rights? I mean look at all these mass shooters they all seem to be on some sort of pills. Should gun rights be taken away from them ? Aurora may not have happened if it were like that .. same with Arapahoe High if my understanding is right... but then you get in to the whole privacy issue.. and the fact many take those same pills and never hurt anyone...
just food for thought.
Roger Ronas
12-28-2013, 21:56
If those of you that are against Cannabis (MJ) understood how it actually works in the body, you'd understand that it helps mental conditions. In fact mAYBE it could have prevented some of the mass shootings. Please research it before condemning it.
Just More food for thought,
Roger
MJ vs Alcohol is like Snowboarders vs Skiers.
The gov gives out felonies for everything now and with it strips away the rights of millions forever. credit where credit is do. He got this one right.
Folks like you are the problem with the way MMJ has been treated. There IS A real need for it your wife is an example. The problem is that MMJ is a fucking joke 2/3r's of the potheads I know have a " red card" and all of them are for bullshit reasons.
If it had been used correctly by doctors few here would not agree with this law.
I'm a toss up on it. Should medications be a reason to restrict gun rights? I mean look at all these mass shooters they all seem to be on some sort of pills. Should gun rights be taken away from them ? Aurora may not have happened if it were like that .. same with Arapahoe High if my understanding is right... but then you get in to the whole privacy issue.. and the fact many take those same pills and never hurt anyone...
just food for thought.
How many people are on medications that any of the shooters were on and do not go on a shooting rampage? Chances are its below a tenth of a percent that go bat shit crazy.
Next time you take an Advil let us know so we can gather up your guns, just to be on the safe side.
As discussed in the other thread Polis is also cosponsoring another bill that does nothing but hurt your 2A rights https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr1565/text
BPTactical
12-29-2013, 01:18
Fawk Polis with a bag of rusty, HIV infected Harbor Freight cheap shit hammers.
And may he dive face first into a 12" disc sander.
Any questions?
Fawk Polis with a bag of rusty, HIV infected Harbor Freight cheap shit hammers.
And may he dive face first into a 12" disc sander.
Any questions?
THIS. [Awesom]
Fawk Polis with a bag of rusty, HIV infected Harbor Freight cheap shit hammers.
And may he dive face first into a 12" disc sander.
Any questions?
No questions at all. Saying Polis is defending our 2A rights is like saying now that DeGette gets what a magazine/clip thingy really is, she will back off the mag ban. Many Boulderite's smoke pot and many also own guns too. He is only trying to please his constituents and not the rest of, even though many of us agree with that law. What he is really doing is saying "hey hey watch this hand while i shovel this other bill up your ass and you will enjoy it". If any of you feel like giving him a pat on the back, and i believe you should to send a message, please remind him that HR1565 is a load of shit and you will not vote for him if he continues to cosponsor and vote yes on it.
clublights
12-29-2013, 04:53
How many people are on medications that any of the shooters were on and do not go on a shooting rampage? Chances are its below a tenth of a percent that go bat shit crazy.
Next time you take an Advil let us know so we can gather up your guns, just to be on the safe side.
As discussed in the other thread Polis is also cosponsoring another bill that does nothing but hurt your 2A rights https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr1565/text
uhhh read the post I made that you quoted LOL ...
and the fact many take those same pills and never hurt anyone...
uhhh read the post I made that you quoted LOL ...
I did. Does it change the fact you even think about taking away peoples rights?
Bailey Guns
12-29-2013, 09:16
A democrat talking outta both sides of his/her mouth. What a surprise.
This bill should be titled the "Marijuana Users Protection Act".
Polis is in NO WAY pro 2A. Sorry, nynco...that dog just don't hunt. It never has and it never will. A quick search of his website reveals not a word on gun control. The "On The Issues" website has nothing regarding Polis' stance on gun control. If he was a so-called pro-gun democrat, he'd be advertising it...especially now.
Polis is "pro-gun" like the PETA is "pro-hunting".
I would not go so far to say that he was pro gun. I was more just happy that a Dem was doing something that I felt was pro 2nd Amendment. I agree that the other bill is crap.
Listen right now we have recreational use coming to the whole state. We NEED this bill. No matter whether you are for or against pot it does not matter, the more people that lose their 2nd Amendment rights the worse off we all are. We want more gun owners and shooters so that they become more concerned about this issue. I am sure many of you have changed peoples minds when you took them out shooting. After Jan 1st I am betting 50% of this state may no longer be eligible to own a firearm. Once that becomes accepted in the mind of that many people that they can't own guns... well kiss your rights good bye.
The legislation is good. It should have been started by a republican to draw pothead support to conservatives. Now a pos gets the credit. I do hope it passes and I hope polis is jobless in 2014.
Kraven251
12-29-2013, 10:28
the legislation is a prequel to address the issue of recreational use, that does not require a card, it also just means that people that start buying it recreationally after Jan 1, will just lie on the form like people have for years
The people that went through the steps to get the card, legit need or not, are the ones being punished. I don't honestly give a shit about the legalization or use of mj, but this keeps the mj crowd going to the polls. When they show up to the polls, our way of thinking is at a distinct disadvantage every time.
As for the politician, he is a snake. As for Nynco, his point is valid. The more we make it an us vs. them issue the more we lose. They have the education system; they are a Supreme Court Justice from fucking us; they have the ability to shroud idiocy as fact(even when the numbers do not support it); all the while painting our side of the fence as war mongering, secessionist minded, anti-government, whack jobs. Every shooting big or small they will attempt to hang it around our necks, even when largely the problem has come their side of the mindset.
Anytime these scumbags work to strip themselves and the institution of a bit of power, it is a small chip taken out of the nanny state. Would I vote for him, no way, but I do support the idea.
2A rights for potheads doesn't mean anything when even private sales require a 4473 now, since that is a federal form, and it's still illegal on a federal level.
Fentonite
12-29-2013, 10:55
If those of you that are against Cannabis (MJ) understood how it actually works in the body, you'd understand that it helps mental conditions. In fact mAYBE it could have prevented some of the mass shootings. Please research it before condemning it.
Just More food for thought,
Roger
"How it actually works in the body" is pretty darned complex. More than 400 chemical compounds in varying proportion, and their effect on numerous neurochemical pathways in the body isn't exactly simple to research. Just understanding the neuroanatomy involved would take years of study. I think your blanket statement that "it helps mental conditions" isn't necessarily sound. I'm convinced that it does help some people with their mental (and some physicial) conditions, but it definitely worsens and actually harms others. If it works for you, great, but there is no blanket statement, either for or against it, that can be scientifically made.
Here's some more food for thought, in case you have the munchies: http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/schizophrenia/cannabis-psychosis-link
wctriumph
12-29-2013, 12:11
2A rights for potheads doesn't mean anything when even private sales require a 4473 now, since that is a federal form, and it's still illegal on a federal level.
Polis is in Congress. Federal. I support this legislation and the reclassifying of marijuana so that it can removed from the current prohibition. Once it is reclassified that question will no longer be on the 4473. I do not support Jared Polis and I clearly understand his politics and I hope that the republicans will run a qualified replacement for him at election time. I am squarely in support of the second amendment and that is the standard that I use to support any candidate in any election: Is this candidate a friend of the second amendment? No other consideration will I use to rate a candidate. Freedom first, last and always.
clublights
12-29-2013, 22:22
I did. Does it change the fact you even think about taking away peoples rights?
Think about taking them away from a limited amount of time while they are on the drugs. just like you can't buy a gun while on a restraining order... or do you think that is not ok also ?
It's food for thought not a real solution . and like i said .. the problem is many take those and never hurt any one.
but that makes a shit load more sense to me then banning semi auto rifles/"Assault Rifles"/Evil Black Guns from EVERYONE.
Think about taking them away from a limited amount of time while they are on the drugs. just like you can't buy a gun while on a restraining order... or do you think that is not ok also ?
It's food for thought not a real solution . and like i said .. the problem is many take those and never hurt any one.
but that makes a shit load more sense to me then banning semi auto rifles/"Assault Rifles"/Evil Black Guns from EVERYONE.
I would be willing to bet a gun is are more likely to kill then a person on meds is. If any of these meds were that bad more then half of our population would be dead by now. If i used your logic on this subject a UBC, assault rifle and mag bans would make perfect sense, hell, why not just ban guns entirely. Like you i am freaked out by meds, i was thinking about taking Chantix to help myself quit smoking but hell no the side effects scare me too much to proceeded. However i am not about to condemn a section of society that has been handed out drugs like it was popcorn. I can not take away a persons rights because a minute population does harm when influenced by them. We humans want to blame but we have no proof why we are blaming most of the time. Think of it like this, can you blame Viagra for a boner, yes, but can you blame Wellbutrin for a murder, no. There is no scientific proof it does and i bet it helps more then it hurts. We need to bring mental health to the front lines before anything else in figuring out the problems we face. Does that mean i want the FBI/CBI to know your health records, no. If someone trained can pin point a problem i think it should be looked into before suspending someones rights.
My and everyone else's rights are more important then a minute amount of safety, period.
Flip flip and knee jerk reaction is what Democrats do. Their last term of any seat is when their real agenda comes out.
Sorry.
clublights
12-30-2013, 04:59
If i used your logic on this subject a UBC, assault rifle and mag bans would make perfect sense, hell, why not just ban guns entirely.
I disagree as UBC gun/ mag bans effect EVERYONE PERIOD not just a segment of the population.
However i am not about to condemn a section of society that has been handed out drugs like it was popcorn. I can not take away a persons rights because a minute population does harm when influenced by them. We humans want to blame but we have no proof why we are blaming most of the time. Think of it like this, can you blame Viagra for a boner, yes, but can you blame Wellbutrin for a murder, no. There is no scientific proof it does and i bet it helps more then it hurts. We need to bring mental health to the front lines before anything else in figuring out the problems we face. Does that mean i want the FBI/CBI to know your health records, no. If someone trained can pin point a problem i think it should be looked into before suspending someones rights.
I agree with the "handing out like popcorn" and I think this is a LARGE part of the issue. instead of treating these "kids" they just feed them drugs and never really help them just mess up their heads even worse.
I've stated more then once in this conversation that yes they help more then they hurt. ( aka many take them and never hurt anyone)
As you say it's such a fine line between privacy and "need to know" with mental health issues. It's the same with .mil guys not getting PTSD treatment for fear of it jamming up their career in the future / looking weak to others. They need the help but won't get the help out of those fears and I think we will see a carrying over of this to private citizens with the federalization of healthcare. ( Obamacare is step one of this in my opinion) While I'm glad these scum( mass shooters) off themselves on the one hand.. if they would stay alive more often we could study them better and make some progress on prevention thru mental health intervention.. at least that is my thought on it .
I think that if it was brought out more in the national scene that all these guys seem to be on anti-depressants it would move the "conversation" in a better direction ( from gun bans to prevention) and actually push the research harder.
Just think if all the money bloomberg and the anti's spend on trashing the NRA and innocent gun owners was spent on mental health research instead....
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