Attempted Ballot Measure 2014: No CCW on College Campus

[lowbeyond]

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/college-campus-safety-group-wants-concealed-carry-ban-on-november-2014-ballot



College campus safety group wants concealed carry ban on November 2014 ballot
Proposal would add colleges to K-12 statue


Posted: 12/31/2013
Last Updated: 3 hours ago

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DENVER - Colorado voters may get to weigh in on a controversial gun control topic that has gone all the way to the state Supreme Court. It involves guns on public college campuses.

Colorado is one of two states with no legal restrictions on concealed carry permit holders who want to carry handguns on campus.

A group called Safe Campus Colorado wants to change that.

"We believe that concealed guns on college campuses are a threat to everyone," said Ken Toltz, a former adjunct professor and the father of two college-age daughters. "We also believe that Colorado citizens should have a voice on gun policy through an initiative."

The safe campus group is proposing a ballot initiative to add the words "public college or university" to the existing statute which restricts concealed weapons at K-12 schools.

But opponents say even if voters approve an initiative, "there are questions about constitutionality."

William Perry Pendley, president of the Mountain States Legal Foundation, said the state Supreme Court did not address constitutional questions when it ruled on a case involving the University of Colorado in 2012.

CU had its own concealed weapons ban in place, but that ban was challenged by three students and a group called Concealed Carry on Campus, LLC.

Eventually, the high court ruled that CU's ban was illegal because it was not approved by the legislature.

Under current statute, concealed carry restrictions apply only to K-12 schools.

Earlier this year, state lawmakers tried, but failed to add college campuses to the statute.

The Mountain States Legal Foundation, which represented the students who filed suit against CU, said Democratic lawmakers overreached with their legislation.

Toltz admitted that the political climate wasn't right for lawmakers to tackle the issue. Now, he said, there are Republicans and Democrats who will get behind a citizen-led initiative.

On Thursday, the state's Title Setting Review Board will hold a hearing to set the wording of the title for the group's proposal.

When asked why he decided to lead the effort, Toltz said, "I don't want to send my daughters to a place where concealed guns are carried on that campus."

He said there are some places that guns should not be allowed.

"Airplanes for example," he said. "Schools are another."

Pendley called the initiative effort an attempt to override both the Legislature and the Supreme Court.

He said banning guns could put more people in danger.

He recalled the testimony of a college coed from Nevada, who told lawmakers that she was brutally assaulted.

"She testified that if she had had a weapon that night, she would not have been raped," Pendley said. "And her attacker would not have gone on to rape others."

Pendley added that there is a difference between K-12 schools and colleges and universities.

"We have veterans who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan… and they're returning to college to get advanced degrees," he said. "They're of an age where they have the right to carry and have a proper permit."

Toltz said his group needs to collect more than 86,000 signatures to get the issue on the ballot.

[Eric P]

College kids and their liberal ideas are a threat to everyone. Not law abiding citizens carrying a concealed handgun.

[osok-308]

As a college student, I will always vote to help people conceal carry on campus.

[Jesus-With-A-.45]

This is turning into a sad, pathetic place to live.

[mcjhr]

"safe campus colorado", no shit, that's why you DON'T want to ban ccw. Does this guy think before he opens his skin flap?

Reminds me of that Stallone movie demolition man. That's our future. I'll be damned if I don't teach my daughter to defend herself. This guy disgusts me. Shame on him.

[BPTactical]

Reminds me of that Stallone movie demolition man. That's our future.

We do seem to be moving in that direction at an exponential rate doesn't it?

All what one needs to do is look to the recent event at AHS to see how a properly prepared, armed individual can keep an institution of learning safe.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Reminds me of that Stallone movie demolition man.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1zhe85spsw

[bellavite1]

"We believe that concealed guns on college campuses are a threat to everyone," said Ken Toltz, a former adjunct professor and the father of two college-age daughters. "We also believe that Colorado citizens should have a voice on gun policy through an initiative."
WE DID NOT GET NO FUCKING BALLOT, DID WE???

[lowbeyond]

dont ya'll worry

they have these already

http://www.elcamino.edu/police/images/epole.jpg

[wctriumph]

As a college student, I will always vote to help people conceal carry on campus.

Then I hope that you will be a strong and ACTIVE VOICE on your campus and work your hardest to stop this ill conceived attempt to strip your freedoms form you and your classmates.


TEA

III

[Zundfolge]

I seriously doubt they'll have the enthusiasm to get enough signatures to get this on the ballot ... and if it does I bet it dies a horrible death in the election.

If this actually makes it on the ballot we need to take a long hard look at their organization because there's no reason we shouldn't have a mag ban repeal to vote for next election too.

[Rucker61]

Their Facebook page was opened last September. It has six likes.

[Great-Kazoo]

I seriously doubt they'll have the enthusiasm to get enough signatures to get this on the ballot ... and if it does I bet it dies a horrible death in the election.

If this actually makes it on the ballot we need to take a long hard look at their organization because there's no reason we shouldn't have a mag ban repeal to vote for next election too.


Their Facebook page was opened last September. It has six likes.

Big Money is behind this ballot. MAIG, the FRIENDS OF MORSE etc are funding this as rebuttal for the recalls and resignation, here. It's also one of many pushes to get Liberal, anti- CCW sheriffs elected. There will be more money spent in CO for the 14 elections than anywhere else.

[hurley842002]

Big Money is behind this ballot. MAIG, the FRIENDS OF MORSE etc are funding this as rebuttal for the recalls and resignation, here. It's also one of many pushes to get Liberal, anti- CCW sheriffs elected. There will be more money spent in CO for the 14 elections than anywhere else.

This is what I'm afraid of, and anyone that thinks the ballot doesn't have a snowballs chance in passing, could end up sadly mistaken.

[jerrymrc]

The point that needs to be stressed just like the overall CCW issue way back a few years ago is this. They claimed that there would be bloodbaths in the street, did not happen.

Since the bans were overturned how many students have been killed or shot by a CCW? Been over a year now. Just like many things the anti's always scream for the children's safety but as always there reasons are misplaced. Not a matter of keeping their little slut safe it is just a tool to use to bash the second. That and they are afraid of things they know nothing about. Guns bad um,OK.

[BPTactical]

"We believe that concealed guns on college campuses are a threat to everyone," said Ken Toltz, a former adjunct professor and the father of two college-age daughters. "We also believe that Colorado citizens should have a voice on gun policy through an initiative."
WE DID NOT GET NO FUCKING BALLOT, DID WE???

Good point Lu........

[Rabid]

Big Money is behind this ballot. MAIG, the FRIENDS OF MORSE etc are funding this as rebuttal for the recalls and resignation, here. It's also one of many pushes to get Liberal, anti- CCW sheriffs elected. There will be more money spent in CO for the 14 elections than anywhere else.
This.
Bloomberg created a new group that is headquartered in Colorado after the recalls. The gun grabbers really want a western state to fall.

[merl]

http://tracer.sos.colorado.gov/PublicSite/SearchPages/CommitteeDetail.aspx?OrgID=26470

Their first filing for contributions & expenses is due Jan 15.

[Bailey Guns]

I'd be curious to see statistics or evidence that show lawfully carried concealed handguns are a threat to those on campus. Has there been a rash of shootings or other criminal activity be those carrying concealed that I missed?

[merl]

I'd be curious to see statistics or evidence that show lawfully carried concealed handguns are a threat to those on campus. Has there been a rash of shootings or other criminal activity be those carrying concealed that I missed?

Of course not.
BLOOD ON THE STREETS! OK CORRAL! blah blah blah, same old stuff we saw last spring.

[buffalobo]

I'd be curious to see statistics or evidence that show lawfully carried concealed handguns are a threat to those on campus. Has there been a rash of shootings or other criminal activity be those carrying concealed that I missed?

The lefty's have no stats or evidence to support their assertions, only emotional rhetoric. The media(both local and natl) will help them with low info voters.

[osok-308]

Then I hope that you will be a strong and ACTIVE VOICE on your campus and work your hardest to stop this ill conceived attempt to strip your freedoms form you and your classmates.


TEA

III

You can bet your backside that I will. This is not only about my freedoms, but my safety as well. I go to UC Denver where people have been allowed to carry concealed on campus for a while now, and i have yet to hear of one single issue that has arisen from that at all.

[hatidua]

Toltz said his group needs to collect more than 86,000 signatures to get the issue on the ballot.

Those various students that go around with clipboards on the campus centers getting signatures for save the whales/free Tibet/Greenpeace/Etc. could probably get 86K inside of five days if they want it bad enough.

[Great-Kazoo]

Those various students that go around with clipboards on the campus centers getting signatures for save the whales/free Tibet/Greenpeace/Etc. could probably get 86K inside of five days if they want it bad enough.

Take a Toke, sign then Vote. Saul Alinsky is smiling in hell.

[skydog]

Besides the asshat professor Ken Toltz (http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=912943 (http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=912943)) the redhead standing next to him on TV is former Chief of Police of Littleton and Metro State Denver, Heather Coogan. She banned CCW at Metro when she was there. She left Littleton in a cloud of dust for hindering an investigation of commanders listening in on private phone calls at HQ Littleton. http://issuu.com/coloradocommunitymedia/docs/ccmli_012413 (http://issuu.com/coloradocommunitymedia/docs/ccmli_012413)
They spell trouble and this will be on the ballot and you can bet the Doomberg the dumbass and EX Mayor billionaire of New York will be paying.

MOLON LABE
Sky

[sniper7]

They keep trying and keep failing. Still have to fight them though.

[osok-308]

Those various students that go around with clipboards on the campus centers getting signatures for save the whales/free Tibet/Greenpeace/Etc. could probably get 86K inside of five days if they want it bad enough.

I see people like this on campus all the time. I believe that many people sign petitions for the sake of signing petitions. A while ago there was a video going around to promote the orwellian police state. [facepalm] Often times I think I am the only one who listens to what the petitioners want before making a decision on signing anything.

[Ronin13]

Think back to the PoliceOne.com survey of thousands of police officers around the country and what they said about CCW:
38873
And of course, 80% said an armed everyday person would have stopped something like Newtown, Aurora, VT, etc. Of course the dolts like these "Safe Campus Colorado" folks don't listen to reason. I just want to know, what's the difference between college campuses and everywhere else where people can legally carry concealed? It's not like a campus suddenly makes it a more dangerous place... I don't differentiate between locations, unless it's a government building and/or has a magnetometer.

[KS63]

dont ya'll worry

they have these already

http://www.elcamino.edu/police/images/epole.jpg

A big blue Supository?

[osok-308]

A big blue Supository?

You hit it and campus PD is supposed to show up in 60 seconds or less. Too bad that a police response isn't as fast as a draw and fire.

[mcjhr]

Those stations are a fucking joke. I'm not saying they've never worked. But distance to one plus distance to police. Just way too much time.

I explain ccw to people like time travel. If you could get the police there instantly it'd be great. Next best, be armed.

Eta: don't quite mean time travel like doc brown but, teleportation(sounds creepier imho).

[merl]

This guy is a master of media manipulation.

The expense report lists $75 in contributions for Q4 2013 and some spending at Kinkos. Unless something changes drastically this can be ignored.

[Dave]

"safe campus colorado", no shit, that's why you DON'T want to ban ccw. Does this guy think before he opens his skin flap?

Reminds me of that Stallone movie demolition man. That's our future. I'll be damned if I don't teach my daughter to defend herself. This guy disgusts me. Shame on him.


http://youtu.be/JizGkM6gbvQ

[rbeau30]

Good thing that the illegals are flooding campuses now with them getting in state tuition. Half the signatures collected at colleges will be invalid.