I bet he is a tooth off on the crank

[tmleadr03]

http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/4254775709.html

Kinda tempted...

[Gman]

...inside is in goose condition...
I've seen what comes out of a goose, and I certainly wouldn't want that.

[HoneyBadger]

I've seen what comes out of a goose, and I certainly wouldn't want that.[/FONT]
lol that was my thought too.

[ray1970]

I'd be real interested to see what this thing looks like. I'm going to be passing through Byers tomorrow. Maybe I'll shoot the guy a text.

[mcjhr]

Dude please get a pic. I couldn't find any condition called "goose" on KBB.

[theGinsue]

My guess is "good" was auto-corrected by his phone to "goose" when posting that.

[Great-Kazoo]

Someone does the head gaskets and "doesn't know enough about them" ??

[ray1970]

Someone does the head gaskets and "doesn't know enough about them" ??

Stuff like that happens all the time. People are idiots.

[Great-Kazoo]

Stuff like that happens all the time. People are idiots.

We use to write on service tickets..... SELL YOUR TOOLS.......

[zteknik]

Either it's off a tooth or the crank sensor is futzed.
It's a 7.3-can't kill them things..Definitely has to be something minor if it ran before he did the head gaskets.

[Irving]

Would this be a good investment vehicle? Or one to pick up cheap for our business and have repaired?

[brianakell]

Would this be a good investment vehicle? Or one to pick up cheap for our business and have repaired?

Non-running truck, he'll take 2500 for it Ill bet, maybe less. [Abused]

[tmleadr03]

Would this be a good investment vehicle? Or one to pick up cheap for our business and have repaired?

Like I said I am tempted. If I didn't have adead scout to play with I would be goin to look at this.

[buffalobo]

Wish I had some cash. Bet this would be perfect parts donor for my 2000 F250 with 400,000 miles.

[Great-Kazoo]

One concern , if the hg's went. What other damage was done, if any to it ?

[tmleadr03]

One concern , if the hg's went. What other damage was done, if any to it ?

Could have warped head.

If I didn't already have a car to flip I would go look at it and possibly buy it. Then check timing, if off I would reset, and replace head bolts (he can't time an engine I don't trust him to torque down the head right).

[Blowby]

Just to keep it simple:
When you remove the injectors on a powerstroke it empties the high pressure oil rails. It takes a lot of cranking with fresh batteries to prime the HPO system. If he didn't fill the HPO resivour with oil up to 1/2 inch from the top then it will take even longer or might not prime it's self at all if the low pressure oil pump is weak. That would be the first thing I would look at. Check the oil level in the HPOP Res. Front of engine on top. Small plug on the right side needs to be removed with an allen wrench. Look down inside with a flash light.

Behind fan belt and to the right of the black hose is the location of the plug.

39387

[Great-Kazoo]

Could have warped head.

If I didn't already have a car to flip I would go look at it and possibly buy it. Then check timing, if off I would reset, and replace head bolts (he can't time an engine I don't trust him to torque down the head right).


Just to keep it simple:
When you remove the injectors on a powerstroke it empties the high pressure oil rails. It takes a lot of cranking with fresh batteries to prime the HPO system. If he didn't fill the HPO resivour with oil up to 1/2 inch from the top then it will take even longer or might not prime it's self at all if the low pressure oil pump is weak. That would be the first thing I would look at. Check the oil level in the HPOP Res. Front of engine on top. Small plug on the right side needs to be removed with an allen wrench. Look down inside with a flash light.

Behind fan belt and to the right of the black hose is the location of the plug.

39387


Those are a few concerns, especially when he included this tidbit.. I don't know enough about them to find the problem.

The question is, how bad could this "mechanic" screwed up other things to put this in to a parts truck category, vs. decent investment ?

[Blowby]

Timing is not an issue. The cam is in the block.

[redneck122]

Just to keep it simple:
When you remove the injectors on a powerstroke it empties the high pressure oil rails. It takes a lot of cranking with fresh batteries to prime the HPO system. If he didn't fill the HPO resivour with oil up to 1/2 inch from the top then it will take even longer or might not prime it's self at all if the low pressure oil pump is weak. That would be the first thing I would look at. Check the oil level in the HPOP Res. Front of engine on top. Small plug on the right side needs to be removed with an allen wrench. Look down inside with a flash light.

Behind fan belt and to the right of the black hose is the location of the plug.

39387
Took the words right out of my mouth.

[buffalobo]

Just to keep it simple:
When you remove the injectors on a powerstroke it empties the high pressure oil rails. It takes a lot of cranking with fresh batteries to prime the HPO system. If he didn't fill the HPO resivour with oil up to 1/2 inch from the top then it will take even longer or might not prime it's self at all if the low pressure oil pump is weak. That would be the first thing I would look at. Check the oil level in the HPOP Res. Front of engine on top. Small plug on the right side needs to be removed with an allen wrench. Look down inside with a flash light.

Behind fan belt and to the right of the black hose is the location of the plug.

39387

Love this forum. Always someone around to serve up gold nuggets. [Beer]

[Blowby]

I've worked on a few over the years so I'm glad I can help. [Beer]

[tmleadr03]

Just to keep it simple:
When you remove the injectors on a powerstroke it empties the high pressure oil rails. It takes a lot of cranking with fresh batteries to prime the HPO system. If he didn't fill the HPO resivour with oil up to 1/2 inch from the top then it will take even longer or might not prime it's self at all if the low pressure oil pump is weak. That would be the first thing I would look at. Check the oil level in the HPOP Res. Front of engine on top. Small plug on the right side needs to be removed with an allen wrench. Look down inside with a flash light.

Behind fan belt and to the right of the black hose is the location of the plug.

39387

Well, hell now I really want to go look at it... Son of a bitch. I don't think I need another car to flip in my shop... damn it.

[spqrzilla]

If you fix up that International and post it for sale, my wife will kill you Chris.

[tmleadr03]

If you fix up that International and post it for sale, my wife will kill you Chris.

I just texted the Powerstroke guy.


The international scout will be up and running by the end of this month. Buying some parts next week.

[tmleadr03]

Just got pics...

[Irving]

And?

[tmleadr03]

And?

He sent a pic of the interior with an empty bag of chips under the go fast pedal... Clearly motivated to sell. It has temp tags and a paper plate from Five Star Auto Sales. 289k on the clock. I need to see it. Looks pretty clean exterior and the tires (what I can tell) look decent.

[MED]

I am more familiar with the Cummins, but does the fuel system need to be bled out? That would be my first guess; it doesn't sound like he knew this after doing the head gaskets assuming he got it together right. I think you can crack the injector lines on a 7.3 and get the air out by cranking it. If you open up the fuel system on the older 12v and 24v Cummins, it is a lot of work to bled it out at Injectors 1,3, and 4 before it fires up; I bet it is the same for a 7.3 Ford. I would look up the fuel system bleeding procedures and see what people say about it.

[Blowby]

Not the same. Fuel in the fuel filter bowl is all you need.

[MED]

Not the same. Fuel in the fuel filter bowl is all you need.

Just out of curiosity, doesn't the 7.3 have a mechanical fuel Injection pump?. ...if so, how does it prime with air in the lines?

[mcantar18c]

Damn I wish this had popped up a few weeks ago when I was in CO. I have a hard on for OBS PSDs. I've paid that much for a running one, but if the truck's in good condition I'd say it's definitely worth negotiating with him.

If someone here buys it and keeps it in decent condition, I'll buy it from you when I get back from Trashcanistan.

[Blowby]

The 7.3 uses oil pressure from the high pressure pump to activate the intensifier piston in the injector. A stock injector will have a 7:1 ratio so with 3000 psi of oil you have 21,000 psi of fuel coming out the tips. All of this happens inside the injector body. Fuel pressure between 40-70 psi is all that is needed to feed the injector. Hope that helps.

[rondog]

I thought you meant the seller himself. I've met more than a few people whose gears were a tooth off.

[MED]

The 7.3 uses oil pressure from the high pressure pump to activate the intensifier piston in the injector. A stock injector will have a 7:1 ratio so with 3000 psi of oil you have 21,000 psi of fuel coming out the tips. All of this happens inside the injector body. Fuel pressure between 40-70 psi is all that is needed to feed the injector. Hope that helps.

Ok, I just read up on on the High Pressure Oil fuel injection system...interesting...

[Blowby]

Great concept by International but it was designed for low RPM torque. Not a problem unless you want to build a high HP motor with it.

[spqrzilla]

The international scout will be up and running by the end of this month. Buying some parts next week.
My wife's hiring the hitman as we speak.

[Great-Kazoo]

My wife's hiring the hitman as we speak.

Pro Bono ?

[kawiracer14]

Pro Bono ?


She's gonna need someone to Bono once her husband is gone...

[tmleadr03]

She's gonna need someone to Bono once her husband is gone...

She is hiring the hitman for me.

[kawiracer14]

She is hiring the hitman for me.


Read it wrong. Well she'll keep bono-ing her husband and get a new truck.

[ZERO THEORY]

Not sure how you kill a 7.3L, but this guy managed to do it. Buyer beware.

[jmg8550]

Might just need a cam sensor. If those go bad the engine will not start.

[tmleadr03]

Might just need a cam sensor. If those go bad the engine will not start.

Going to go look at it with scan tool in hand.

[spqrzilla]

I was teasing tmleader03 about the International Scout that he bought and mentioned in another thread - a Scout that looks just like one I owned about **mumble mumble ** years ago that my wife hated. And I recently wished I'd not sold when I was last on Independence Mountain rodeo'ing through some snow drifts in my Cherokee.

[ZERO THEORY]

Might just need a cam sensor. If those go bad the engine will not start.

I remember spending half an hour trying to get my Jeep started when a crank position sensor went on me. Unplugging and replugging resistors and fuses, disconnecting the battery, you name it-I did it. Finally turned over and got home.

Looked up the replacement procedure, laughed, and paid the $120 in labor.

[tmleadr03]

I was teasing tmleader03 about the International Scout that he bought and mentioned in another thread - a Scout that looks just like one I owned about **mumble mumble ** years ago that my wife hated. And I recently wished I'd not sold when I was last on Independence Mountain rodeo'ing through some snow drifts in my Cherokee.

This one will be up and running by the beginning of next month. I will get it to be a daily driver for a week or so to make sure it is good to go and then up for sale it goes. I will make sure to let you know with plenty of pictures...

[spqrzilla]

This one will be up and running by the beginning of next month. I will get it to be a daily driver for a week or so to make sure it is good to go and then up for sale it goes. I will make sure to let you know with plenty of pictures...

tmleader03, you just want me dead. Admit it. And here I had such nice thoughts about you ...

Of course, I could be preemptive and "test drive" it by the house and watch her have a heart attack ...

[tmleadr03]

tmleader03, you just want me dead. Admit it. And here I had such nice thoughts about you ...

Of course, I could be preemptive and "test drive" it by the house and watch her have a heart attack ...

You get a frying pan through the windshield you have to pay for the replacement...

[Blowby]

The CPS doesn't make the list yet. The issue is a no start after the head gaskets were replaced. If the truck was running before and now after the HG's were changed it won't start then I wouldn't look any further than the HPO system which includes the injectors. Did he plug the wire harness together above the drivers side VC? Is the WTS light on? Does the tach move when he cranks. These are the areas that you can check on the spot.

[Great-Kazoo]

This one will be up and running by the beginning of next month. I will get it to be a daily driver for a week or so to make sure it is good to go and then up for sale it goes. I will make sure to let you know with plenty of pictures...

You keeping the stick or an auto in it?

[tmleadr03]

The CPS doesn't make the list yet. The issue is a no start after the head gaskets were replaced. If the truck was running before and now after the HG's were changed it won't start then I wouldn't look any further than the HPO system which includes the injectors. Did he plug the wire harness together above the drivers side VC? Is the WTS light on? Does the tach move when he cranks. These are the areas that you can check on the spot.

Scan tool will show unplugged sensors and such really quickly.


Typically it is the first thing I do after a large job. Crank it over and let it run for a short time while pulling codes to see what I forgot to plug in...

[tmleadr03]

You keeping the stick or an auto in it?

Keeping it the way I found it, except for four new tires, rebuilt carburator and possible fuel pump, new fuel tank, and a rear wheel cylinder.

[jmg8550]

A cam sensor in a 7.3 takes about 5 minutes to replace.