Another College Shooting Today

[SideShow Bob]

There isn't much information other than I dead and the suspect surrenders to police outside.

http://kdvr.com/2014/01/21/suspect-surrenders-after-person-fatally-shot-at-purdue-university/

[UrbanWolf]

Last time I checked one is dead and the shooter was arrested.

[ChunkyMonkey]

There isn't much information other than I dead and the suspect surrenders to police outside.

http://kdvr.com/2014/01/21/suspect-surrenders-after-person-fatally-shot-at-purdue-university/

IMPOSSIBLE... https://www.purdue.edu/police/policies.htm

[TAR31]

Not a school shooting no matter how much the media wants it to be. Just a plain old murder. I still dont know how it could happen in a gun free zone.

[cstone]

And approximately 90 people died today on US highways. Quick, somebody pass a law.

[HoneyBadger]

And approximately 90 people died today on US highways. Quick, somebody pass a law.
Pass ALL THE LAWS!!!



http://www.troll.me/images/x-all-the-things/pass-all-the-dumb-laws.jpg

[merl]

Not a school shooting no matter how much the media wants it to be. Just a plain old murder.

But it was a shooting that happened on a school! * They did at least leave "Mass" out of it.
* university, everyone involved was an adult.

[Mtn.man]

That'll teach that hard ass boss to listen.

[bjamar24]

Outcome forseen, pleads insanity.

Hmm if there smart enough to get a gun and plan this out, then there smart enough to bite the bullet.

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[screagle2]

That'll teach that hard ass boss to listen.

Really???? Over 5000 posts, and you have nothing more constructive than that?????

Our son is a student in the Engineering school, and was in an adjacent building 4-500 yards away. He is a strong constitutionalist, and supporter of ALL of the BIll of RIghts, not just the 2nd Ammendment. If it were legal, he would have a CCW permit.

Why why is no one offering well thought ideas as to how to deal with the obvious mental health issues that precipitate these acts?

How about discussion regarding electing judges that understand, and believe that the innocent also have rights, and those rights should not be usurped by the criminal?

Why is there no one asking if video games have a bearing on the acceptance of this type of violence, and how to curb that influence?

Why no discourse in regards to the privacy act, and how it effectively negates potential intervention with people who show tendencies towards these horrendous acts? Think about the Aurora killer, and his protections of privacy, as well as what has come out in the Arapahoe case.

I am NOT, nor is my son, a supporter of gun free zones, but consider this. I went to college I 1975, and even then, firearms were NOT allowed on most campuses, yet we did not see these things happening. Neither of us believe that in this specific case, the outcome would have much chance of being different, had the victim been armed. The reason being, as pointed out in the only post that seems to have been thought out, this was a murder, an execution, and the victim could not have responded quickly enough.
I do however believe that a well trained, and armed bystander might well have been able to stop more people being harmed, had that been the objective of the shooter.

IU, which is the CU of Indiana, has recognized the right of their students to provide protection for themselves in the manner of CCW, if they have successfully completed a qualified course., Think about that for a minute... Why IU, and not CU? I am going to address this with the regents at Purdue, and I will do my level best, to, so through pragmatic conversation.

I suspect that that before now, most above, are flaming me for being liberal or GC advocate etc., etc., which I am neither. I will wager that my efforts to preserve our rights, and our Constitution, are not insignificant. I have waited until, today to,respond for several reasons. I wanted to make certain that my emotions are somewhat In check, and I had hoped for meaningful posts, not just cynical, pissing in the wind as to what we do not like. I had hoped to gain more ideas, and achieve some balance, rather than pure hatred for the person who did this

I strongly believe that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, must be defended at all cost.
I also believe that these senseless acts of violence, must be brought under control, not only to preserve our society, but also to quiet some of the efforts to weaken or disregard the 2nd Ammendment,

Flame me, ban me, do, as you will, but I am willing to wager that few, if any of you have considered viable, workable solutions to these things, while also considering changing my EDC.

I believe there are solutions, but no matter how much better it may make us feel to bitch and moan and complain, that release. is all there is.

To make light of these acts however, does provide strength to the arguments that others use to take away our rights.

[HoneyBadger]

Really???? Over 5000 posts, and you have nothing more constructive than that?????

Our son is a student in the Engineering school, and was in an adjacent building 4-500 yards away. He is a strong constitutionalist, and supporter of ALL of the BIll of RIghts, not just the 2nd Ammendment. If it were legal, he would have a CCW permit.

Why why is no one offering well thought ideas as to how to deal with the obvious mental health issues that precipitate these acts?

How about discussion regarding electing judges that understand, and believe that the innocent also have rights, and those rights should not be usurped by the criminal?

Why is there no one asking if video games have a bearing on the acceptance of this type of violence, and how to curb that influence?

Why no discourse in regards to the privacy act, and how it effectively negates potential intervention with people who show tendencies towards these horrendous acts? Think about the Aurora killer, and his protections of privacy, as well as what has come out in the Arapahoe case.

I am NOT, nor is my son, a supporter of gun free zones, but consider this. I went to college I 1975, and even then, firearms were NOT allowed on most campuses, yet we did not see these things happening. Neither of us believe that in this specific case, the outcome would have much chance of being different, had the victim been armed. The reason being, as pointed out in the only post that seems to have been thought out, this was a murder, an execution, and the victim could not have responded quickly enough.
I do however believe that a well trained, and armed bystander might well have been able to stop more people being harmed, had that been the objective of the shooter.

IU, which is the CU of Indiana, has recognized the right of their students to provide protection for themselves in the manner of CCW, if they have successfully completed a qualified course., Think about that for a minute... Why IU, and not CU? I am going to address this with the regents at Purdue, and I will do my level best, to, so through pragmatic conversation.

I suspect that that before now, most above, are flaming me for being liberal or GC advocate etc., etc., which I am neither. I will wager that my efforts to preserve our rights, and our Constitution, are not insignificant. I have waited until, today to,respond for several reasons. I wanted to make certain that my emotions are somewhat In check, and I had hoped for meaningful posts, not just cynical, pissing in the wind as to what we do not like. I had hoped to gain more ideas, and achieve some balance, rather than pure hatred for the person who did this

I strongly believe that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, must be defended at all cost.
I also believe that these senseless acts of violence, must be brought under control, not only to preserve our society, but also to quiet some of the efforts to weaken or disregard the 2nd Ammendment,

Flame me, ban me, do, as you will, but I am willing to wager that few, if any of you have considered viable, workable solutions to these things, while also considering changing my EDC.

I believe there are solutions, but no matter how much better it may make us feel to bitch and moan and complain, that release. is all there is.

To make light of these acts however, does provide strength to the arguments that others use to take away our rights.

lol where have you been for the past 4 years?? [Dunno]




And by that I mean why haven't you contributed to or even seen the hundreds of discussions of these issues that we've already had? Mtn.man probably doesn't have anything more constructive to add because it's all already been said numerous times. Hundreds of times.

Welcome to the forum.

[XC700116]

Really???? Over 5000 posts, and you have nothing more constructive than that?????

Our son is a student in the Engineering school, and was in an adjacent building 4-500 yards away. He is a strong constitutionalist, and supporter of ALL of the BIll of RIghts, not just the 2nd Ammendment. If it were legal, he would have a CCW permit.

Why why is no one offering well thought ideas as to how to deal with the obvious mental health issues that precipitate these acts?
As mentioned, it's been hashed and re-hashed a hundred times already
How about discussion regarding electing judges that understand, and believe that the innocent also have rights, and those rights should not be usurped by the criminal?

Why is there no one asking if video games have a bearing on the acceptance of this type of violence, and how to curb that influence?

Been done already, and honestly, the answer is raise your kids instead of expecting the nanny state to do it (not you specifically, in general)

Why no discourse in regards to the privacy act, and how it effectively negates potential intervention with people who show tendencies towards these horrendous acts? Think about the Aurora killer, and his protections of privacy, as well as what has come out in the Arapahoe case.

So privacy and the 1st and 4th amendments should just be tossed in the name of safety?? I believe we are better than that. The problem lies with the selective enforcement of the safeguards already in place.

I am NOT, nor is my son, a supporter of gun free zones, but consider this. I went to college I 1975, and even then, firearms were NOT allowed on most campuses, yet we did not see these things happening. Neither of us believe that in this specific case, the outcome would have much chance of being different, had the victim been armed. The reason being, as pointed out in the only post that seems to have been thought out, this was a murder, an execution, and the victim could not have responded quickly enough.
I do however believe that a well trained, and armed bystander might well have been able to stop more people being harmed, had that been the objective of the shooter.

To the statement in bold, I disagree, you just didn't hear about it because of the lack of instant national headlines like we have today. See the 1966 Bell tower shooting in Austin Texas if you need an example. In 1975 unless you were in the immediate area or had family or friends at Purdue, you wouldn't have even heard about this.

IU, which is the CU of Indiana, has recognized the right of their students to provide protection for themselves in the manner of CCW, if they have successfully completed a qualified course., Think about that for a minute... Why IU, and not CU? I am going to address this with the regents at Purdue, and I will do my level best, to, so through pragmatic conversation.

Valid and good points, you won't get many arguments here on this one.

I suspect that that before now, most above, are flaming me for being liberal or GC advocate etc., etc., which I am neither. I will wager that my efforts to preserve our rights, and our Constitution, are not insignificant. I have waited until, today to,respond for several reasons. I wanted to make certain that my emotions are somewhat In check, and I had hoped for meaningful posts, not just cynical, pissing in the wind as to what we do not like. I had hoped to gain more ideas, and achieve some balance, rather than pure hatred for the person who did this

I strongly believe that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, must be defended at all cost.
I also believe that these senseless acts of violence, must be brought under control, not only to preserve our society, but also to quiet some of the efforts to weaken or disregard the 2nd Ammendment,

Flame me, ban me, do, as you will, but I am willing to wager that few, if any of you have considered viable, workable solutions to these things, while also considering changing my EDC.

I believe there are solutions, but no matter how much better it may make us feel to bitch and moan and complain, that release. is all there is.

To make light of these acts however, does provide strength to the arguments that others use to take away our rights.

I get it, you're pissed at the fact that your son just had this happen in his building and like any good parent you're reacting to the fact that your son is going to a fairly prestigious school and with all that it took and takes to get/go there, and how responsible he has to be for everything he does, he's not allowed to be responsible for his own safety and self defense. I'd be pissed too. But honestly with the constant hammering of each and every murder that takes place in or around a school being the daily poster subject for gun control, most here have just become extremely weary of the subject and have become cynical about it. Simple fact is with the way society is going, we're going to see more of this and not less. Just look around, those that take personal responsibility for themselves and their actions are becoming a rare breed. It's sad, it sucks, it's disheartening, but until people and society in general takes a stand and changes, the situation and it's results aren't going to.

[screagle2]

I would say that simply bitching about "laws" has gone on for hundreds of posts, and to what end? The assertion of vehicle deaths is somewhat analogous, is simply not going to carry weight with the voting public, and those people who are unsure of their support, and are looking for an approach they can support, and we can live with, are the ones we need on our side. I see no way to do this, other than offer reasonable solutions.

I believe I was clear about ALL amendments! but the 1st and 4th, likewise, should not overshadow the 2nd.

No, there was not shootings on a daily or weekly or even monthly basis. I seriously challenge your assertion. Were there shootings, yes without doubt, and does the media coverage accentuate it, yes again. You missed my point. The media coverage is, I believe,mine the the things that needs to be addressed.

We can disagree with portions, but your last paragraph illustrates my points. I am saying that the chance of someone who simply makes feel good posts, has probably not sat and wondered if their (my) stance has added to the danger for their child..........I still feel as strongly now as before, but that kind of reflection forces one to soon discard all that is simply "noise."

It is not about how prestigious the school is. This is about all schools and students.

We can either choose to influence and try to direct the debate, or we can live with the outcome of simply complaining......

If we cannot offer well reasoned discussion to support our beliefs, then who?
FWIW, I read several forums, and 2 newspapers daily, with just as much disgust as I would guess you often feel, but I choose to only post when I cannot ignore what is being said.

[Irving]

The stats on "mass" shootings are available. I believe the numbers were an average of 20 per year (25 on high years) for the last 34 years. We just had thread recently about this very subject, but I can't immediately recall the title.

[osok-308]

Yeah, not so much a college shooting as a straightforward murder.

[BPTactical]

And in reading some posts on "that other site" where some members actually attend Purdue and some have had classes with the TA that was killed this was a planned homicide.
Apparently the TA had quite a reputation for being an asshole to the students in his classes. It sounded as if he was vindictive and willfully failed students he did not like, even though their academics were acceptable.
How would you like to find out your scholarship was cancelled because a dick head TA failed you out of spite?
Actions have consequences. On both sides of the coin.

[Gman]

The stats on "mass" shootings are available. I believe the numbers were an average of 20 per year (25 on high years) for the last 34 years. We just had thread recently about this very subject, but I can't immediately recall the title.
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/123973-Crime-Study-No-Rise-in-Mass-Shootings-Despite-Media-Hype

This appears to be targeted. People have been killing other people since the beginning of mankind. They just use the tools common for their time.

[Ronin13]

Stupid. When are we going to stop making such a difference between colleges and the rest of the country? Really? What is the difference between Auraria Campus and that strip mall on the other side of Colfax? I don't honestly see one, except maybe there is a Burger King on the South side of Colfax. So if someone shoots someone in Downtown Chicago, and someone shoots someone at Purdue, really what is the difference? Because one is a "College Campus"? Bad things can happen anywhere. I guess that's the point I'm making. No sense in making anything a "gun free zone."

[davsel]

YOU WANT ANSWERS?
http://welikeshooting.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Screen-Shot-2013-02-03-at-11.12.18-AM.png

1) Stop prescribing psychotropic drugs
2) Refill the asylums that were emptied in the '80s
3) Repeal all gun laws

Let society sort it out

[screagle2]

And in reading some posts on "that other site" where some members actually attend Purdue and some have had classes with the TA that was killed this was a planned homicide.
Apparently the TA had quite a reputation for being an asshole to the students in his classes. It sounded as if he was vindictive and willfully failed students he did not like, even though their academics were acceptable.
How would you like to find out your scholarship was cancelled because a dick head TA failed you out of spite?
Actions have consequences. On both sides of the coin.

It is not a question of where it occurred, or who was involved, and the question of his personality is uncertain at this point., although I suspect just as you, that it was planned.

My point is well made by your post.
How in the world can you even begin to justify a shooting because you failed and lost your scholarship???? Really??? Do you realize that the anti's read these forums, and such remarks make everyone who is pro gun look like a neanderthal just looking for a chance to prove himself? I doubt many that are ready to vote for more gun control would see that as justifiable..... and they certainly will not look at it as responsible gun ownership.

I have to believe that you simply overstated your position. Anyone that owns firearms, has the responsibility to remove themselves from a situation as you describe..... Imagine telling the judge, "but he failed me." Is that really the image you wish to portray? When the battle starts again in the legislature, you can tell them you want to keep your gun in case someone wants to give you a failing grade, (assuming you were in school) and I will tell them I want to keep mine because someone who received a failing grade feels a gun is the appropriate response.........

The victim's behaviour may well have deserved a country a** kicking, I do not know, but I am certain that defending the shooter because he may have been given a failing grade, is exactly what the anti's will use against you down the road.

At any rate. many seem top feel that these acts are justified, for whatever reason, and I disagree, whether it be at a theater, college, mall, or whatever. That is precisely the reason I believe we should "be better" than that, and show those who want to take my 2nd ammendment rights away, that I believe in personal protection, and responsibility. BTW Where have I been the last 4 years........Thanking those still in the military, and trying to convince legislators and voters that pro gun people are very responsible.....

I'm done.

[BPTactical]

Dammit, and I was trying for Cro-Magnon man and only made it to Neanderthal.




In no way shape or form was I attempting to justify the trigger man's actions. Homicide is homicide regardless of the reason.

[Ronin13]

It is not a question of where it occurred, or who was involved, and the question of his personality is uncertain at this point., although I suspect just as you, that it was planned.

My point is well made by your post.
How in the world can you even begin to justify a shooting because you failed and lost your scholarship???? Really??? Do you realize that the anti's read these forums, and such remarks make everyone who is pro gun look like a neanderthal just looking for a chance to prove himself? I doubt many that are ready to vote for more gun control would see that as justifiable..... and they certainly will not look at it as responsible gun ownership.

I have to believe that you simply overstated your position. Anyone that owns firearms, has the responsibility to remove themselves from a situation as you describe..... Imagine telling the judge, "but he failed me." Is that really the image you wish to portray? When the battle starts again in the legislature, you can tell them you want to keep your gun in case someone wants to give you a failing grade, (assuming you were in school) and I will tell them I want to keep mine because someone who received a failing grade feels a gun is the appropriate response.........

The victim's behaviour may well have deserved a country a** kicking, I do not know, but I am certain that defending the shooter because he may have been given a failing grade, is exactly what the anti's will use against you down the road.

At any rate. many seem top feel that these acts are justified, for whatever reason, and I disagree, whether it be at a theater, college, mall, or whatever. That is precisely the reason I believe we should "be better" than that, and show those who want to take my 2nd ammendment rights away, that I believe in personal protection, and responsibility. BTW Where have I been the last 4 years........Thanking those still in the military, and trying to convince legislators and voters that pro gun people are very responsible.....

I'm done.
That's a bit of a stretch... I don't think Bert was making the connection that the victim deserved it. I think the point he was making was that we all should be more respectful of each other, you never know where the psycho, nutty whack jobs are...

[crays]

Really???? Over 5000 posts, and you have nothing more constructive than that?????

Our son is a student in the Engineering school, and was in an adjacent building 4-500 yards away...
...
...
...I have waited until, today to, respond for several reasons...
...
... I wanted to make certain that my emotions are somewhat In check...

And, yet, I have to feel that you would still be waiting, past today, to respond, if this had occurred at any number of other Colleges/Universites around the nation.

I'm not trying to discredit your stance, but maybe you should take a look at that last bolded portion I stripped out of your quote. I am certain that you are emotionally, and intellectually, distraught right now, and understandably so. Any other forum member in the same circumstance would likely be, also. Perhaps "Preaching at the Choir" [at, not to] may apply a bit here.
Very sorry that your son was so closely tied to this instance, but very happy he was not immediately involved.
That said, I, and I am sure EVERY OTHER forum member, wish you, your son, and your family a healthy and speedy resolution in this matter, with no lasting detriment.

End of Response. Sorry for so many commas.

[KestrelBike]

Anyone else see about an hour ago on FoxNews their red banner "BREAKING NEWS: REPORTED SCHOOL SHOOTING IN FLORIDA" [I think, I can't remember where it was exactly] And an hour later, *poof* no story. I'll take Fox over the rest of the MSM any day of the week, but damn they need to stop being chicken little.

[speedysst]

Just read the story. Victim was in a fight with two other men, went to his car to get his gun and shot one of the assailants in the chest.

[muddywings]

Just read the story. Victim was in a fight with two other men, went to his car to get his gun and shot one of the assailants in the chest.


just saw that too.
I'm going to hold judgement until more info comes forward.
This could be a case of someone getting their butt kicked/car jacking and the law abiding citizen was bending the school policy a tad by leaving his CCW in his car. Maybe he's the good guy who retreated to his car and defended him self?? hoping so....


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/01/30/eastern-florida-state-college-on-lockdown-after-report-shooting-on-campus/?intcmp=latestnews

Eastern Florida State was put on a brief lockdown Thursday afternoon after one person was shot in a parking lot on its Palm Bay campus.
The victim was listed in critical condition and taken to a nearby hospital, Palm Bay Police said in a statement. The shooting suspect was also taken to the hospital for injuries that were sustained prior to the shooting, police said. A third person who may have been involved is being questioned by police.
Police told MyFoxOrlando.com (http://www.myfoxorlando.com/story/24591966/one-critical-after-shooting-at-eastern-florida-state-college-in-palm-bay)http://global.fncstatic.com/static/v/all/img/external-link.png that three people were involved in a fight. Palm Bay police reported that two men were attacking another man. The man being attacked retreated to his vehicle, where he grabbed a gun and shot one of his attackers in the chest, the report said.
Police considered the shooting scene secure


the fact that this is already second tier on Fox's website and not showing on CNN or MSNBC tells me they are either slow to the game or maybe something doesn't match their agenda

and more here:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/30/florida-state-college-shooting/5059041/

(yes, I'm kinda bored today without much to do...)

[Hound]

MntMan made a flippant response. After so many posts from many of us, it starts to be..... Redundant. We are all tired of these shootings but know there is little we can personally do. We fight where we can and support where we can't. What we do know is that taking away the guns is not the answer. Screagle2 is right in that there is a dirth of good ideas. Going after mental illness..... How can any of us prove we are sane from one minute to the next (why should We have to. Piss somebody off enough and bad things will happen regardless of a gun, knife or bat being near) and all of us on this forum refuse to put that power in the Gov hands (right or left) lightly. The all or nothing stance from the right has gotten us the BS laws of 2013 but giving even an inch makes the lefts idea of a mile seem like a lightyear. Answers.... are hard to come by when neither side has ANY trust of the other. Many of us have spent a lot of time last year trying to talk only to be railroaded into BS "public hearings". That being said the only reason some of the laws were shut down was that in quiet moments amongst the roar, that was last year, some people did talk .... just enough to hear the insanity in those dead laws. I might add it was Dems doing the listening, the right had no power. Both sides of this 'debate' are so dug in, those moments are more and more rare. Screagle2 once you have been on here more you will find all types of people but the vast majority, while I don't always agree with, are good people with differing points of view. That is one of the strengths here. I would be amazed if you were banned... Flaming... I will probably catch some myself. We are all big boys here.

[Hound]

just saw that too.
I'm going to hold judgement until more info comes forward.
This could be a case of someone getting their butt kicked/car jacking and the law abiding citizen was bending the school policy a tad by leaving his CCW in his car. Maybe he's the good guy who retreated to his car and defended him self?? hoping so....


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/01/30/eastern-florida-state-college-on-lockdown-after-report-shooting-on-campus/?intcmp=latestnews

Eastern Florida State was put on a brief lockdown Thursday afternoon after one person was shot in a parking lot on its Palm Bay campus.
The victim was listed in critical condition and taken to a nearby hospital, Palm Bay Police said in a statement. The shooting suspect was also taken to the hospital for injuries that were sustained prior to the shooting, police said. A third person who may have been involved is being questioned by police.
Police told MyFoxOrlando.com (http://www.myfoxorlando.com/story/24591966/one-critical-after-shooting-at-eastern-florida-state-college-in-palm-bay)http://global.fncstatic.com/static/v/all/img/external-link.png that three people were involved in a fight. Palm Bay police reported that two men were attacking another man. The man being attacked retreated to his vehicle, where he grabbed a gun and shot one of his attackers in the chest, the report said.
Police considered the shooting scene secure


the fact that this is already second tier on Fox's website and not showing on CNN or MSNBC tells me they are either slow to the game or maybe something doesn't match their agenda

and more here:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/30/florida-state-college-shooting/5059041/

(yes, I'm kinda bored today without much to do...)


I think, as many have skirted around, that we need to push for less sensationalism around a location that previously had a "mass" in front of it trying to tie in a straight forward murder (if that is what this is). If some nut job is in a bell tower taking out multiple people that is not the same as a pissed off person getting revenge on an asshole. Neither is justifiable but it is also not acceptable to link one to another.

[XC700116]

No, there was not shootings on a daily or weekly or even monthly basis. I seriously challenge your assertion. Were there shootings, yes without doubt, and does the media coverage accentuate it, yes again. You missed my point. The media coverage is, I believe,mine the the things that needs to be addressed.

.

I'll just put this here

Source http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/


Looking back 50 years, the U.S. gun homicide rate began rising in the 1960s, surged in the 1970s, and hit peaks in 1980 and the early 1990s. (The number of homicides peaked in the early 1990s.) The plunge in homicides after that meant that firearm homicide rates in the late 2000s were equal to those not seen since the early 1960s.1 (https://www.ar-15.co/#fn-16975-1) The sharp decline in the U.S. gun homicide rate, combined with a slower decrease in the gun suicide rate, means that gun suicides now account for six-in-ten firearms deaths, the highest share since at least 1981

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[XC700116]

Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers:_Americas

I continue to contend that this is nothing new, it's just much more in your face.

[muddywings]

There may have been a mix up or some cross talk on which shooting was what but anyways, at least this one has a good ending:

Eastern Florida State College Shooter Allowed Back on Campus; Cops Determine Shot Fired Was in Self Defense
Landrick Hamilton, a 24-year-old student at Eastern Florida State College (EFSC), was invited back to campus after shooting someone in self-defense Thursday.

Like Hamilton, Armando, 25, and Landyer, 24, Contreras are claiming they too were defending themselves,FloridaToday.com reported (http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20140204/NEWS01/302040025/Eastern-Florida-invites-shooter-back-class). The two brothers allegedly jumped Hamilton in a campus parking lot when he managed to reach his car where he had a gun stowed. He fired one shot and sent Armando to the hospital with a non-life-threatening injury.

Palm Bay police said Armando and Landyer attacked Hamilton Thursday afternoon with a pool cue, but the state attorney has not yet decided on whether or not to file charges.

EFSC president Jim Richey said the police's report of self defense factored into the decision to invite Hamilton back to campus. The other two people involved in the fight were not students, but Hamilton does not have a disciplinary record at the school.

"We're reaching out to him to see what we can do," Richey told FloridaToday.com. "He has a special place at our college, so we're concerned about how he's doing and how he's feeling and, hopefully, he feels well enough to continue classes."

The school previously did not allow guns to be carried on campus, but EFSC recently changed its policy to allow firearms only to be kept in a motor vehicle, WFTV reported (http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/lawsuits-prompt-gun-policy-change-eastern-florida-/ndCRk/). There was briefly doubt that Hamilton would be immediately allowed back on campus since he had a firearm on campus.

Gun rights group Florida Carry, Inc. filed a lawsuit Monday calling for students to be allowed to have firearms on campus. When the suit was filed, college officials told WFTV they were already in the midst of the policy change.

Thanks to the new policy change, Hamilton will be allowed back on campus. There is no official word yet if he does plan to return to school at this time.

http://www.universityherald.com/articles/7297/20140204/eastern-florida-state-college-shooter-allowed-back-on-campus-cops-determine-shot-fired-was-in-self-defense.htm

[KevDen2005]

Probably already been said, but not a school shooting...it's a murder that occurred at a school

[Colorado_Outback]

Probably already been said, but not a school shooting...it's a murder that occurred at a school

2 storys, one thread.

Why would the state attorney not press charges against the aggressors in the case above? I dont get that..

[cstone]

2 storys, one thread.

Why would the state attorney not press charges against the aggressors in the case above? I dont get that..

Prosecutors have an obligation to press charges when the have a reasonable probability of obtaining a guilty verdict. To do otherwise would be a misuse of taxpayer resources. There are times when state and local prosecutors, who are likely elected themselves will press charges for political purposes, however, do that often enough and lose cases often enough, and you will not be a prosecutor for very long. Hitters in the major leagues may make it with a .300 average, but most prosecutors need to be well above 70% on cases they actually pursue.

I know nothing about the available evidence in either one of these cases and do not presume that any information provided by any news outlet would qualify as admissible evidence.

[Colorado_Outback]

Thanks for the info cstone. Makes sense.

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