American vs German engineering for brute force. [Archive] - Colorado AR-15 Shooters Club Discussion Forums

tmleadr03

01-22-2014, 08:43

The Toureg v10 has 500hp out of the box and an ungodly amount of torque, not to mention awd.

Yes, yes it does. I have always kinda wanted one. 553 ft lbs of torque.

HBARleatherneck

01-22-2014, 08:45

i was waiting for the part where the tow strap or chain snapped and killed the driver or people filming.

UncleDave

01-22-2014, 08:46

i was waiting for the part where the tow strap or chain snapped and killed the driver or people filming.

I'm guilty of that too! [werdo]

00tec

01-22-2014, 08:52

Dude in the pickup needs to learn how to use that switch on the dash that says "4wd" and not just lay into the throttle like that. Hook that Fahrvergnügen to any large 4wd pickup with some common sense behind the wheel and the truck takes it by sheer weight.

tmleadr03

01-22-2014, 09:12

Looks like the truck was in 2wd.

Start of the video he says he is rolling it forward to lock it in...

UncleDave

01-22-2014, 09:18

The weight differential is not as much as you think. The GVW of the VW is 6800lb approx. It is the extremely low center of gravity on the VW and the insane HP/torque to weight ratio that makes it a beast. I just wish the still made that model, I'd like one but they are getting a little old now.

sniper7

01-22-2014, 09:36

Start of the video he says he is rolling it forward to lock it in...

Maybe he made the chain tight, that truck was not in 4wd. Front tires weren't moving or smoking. I'll call BS especially when that thing had stacks out of the bed, that isn't the only thing that truck had done to it.

sniper7

01-22-2014, 09:38

Apparently they suck in the snow:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4qigq5F4Im0&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D4qi gq5F4Im0

Eh...can't do this right on my ipad

UncleDave

01-22-2014, 10:07

It's all about the tires in the snow, and getting traction. In that video they are on snow covered dirt, not exactly a traction rich environment.

tmleadr03

01-22-2014, 10:11

It's all about the tires in the snow, and getting traction. In that video they are on snow covered dirt, not exactly a traction rich environment.

From the looks of that vid I don't think they were even pulling each other at all, just spinning tires next to each other.

BPTactical

01-22-2014, 10:22

Ram both head on into a tree at 40mph.
Then decide

tmleadr03

01-22-2014, 10:29

Ram both head on into a tree at 40mph.
Then decide

Touareg would win that too.

waxthis

01-22-2014, 10:32

Not surprising...It's a dub!
[Awesom]

HoneyBadger

01-22-2014, 11:15

Videos like this remind me of watching presidential debates. Lots of bullsh*t, chest beating, and deception. Very little susbtance, honest representation, or anything else that matters.

I'm sure a WRX could win that contest against that truck in that setup too. I'm not even sure what this is actually testing... Who has better tires? better traction? lower center of mass? more torque? better electronic traction control? better driver? Is this supposed to persuade people to go buy a Toureg instead of a lifted and modded Silverado?

[Shake]

And just for LOLs because I think a lifted pick-up would win this one:
9Gk4LM9myaw

cofi

01-22-2014, 11:33

meh that lil vw probably spent the next year or so at the dealer waiting on parts from germany

tmleadr03

01-22-2014, 11:35

meh that lil vw probably spent the next year or so at the dealer waiting on parts from germany

LOL. There are a handful of people in the US who would be able to properly maintain that V10 diesel so that is true. Parts are not that bad.

kawiracer14

01-22-2014, 11:39

Remind me again why people do this shit? Hook up two trucks and see who pulls better? Is it the cool thing on BooTube now? I'm going to hook my truck up to my allroad and see if I look cool on the tubes.

cofi

01-22-2014, 11:39

i really want a phaeton w12(because im a glutton for punishment)

couple of years ago they were 120k now you can scoop em up under 15k

Dryfli

01-22-2014, 11:46

Well what do you expect from a Chevy.....

tmleadr03

01-22-2014, 11:46

i really want a phaeton w12(because im a glutton for punishment)

couple of years ago they were 120k now you can scoop em up under 15k

That's what we call a clue. Plugs for that is only 2.6 oddly enough.

Monky

01-22-2014, 12:59

I've gotten to drive one for well over a month. Through all kinds of weather.. 700 miles driven in one day.. and I can tell you I love that SUV.

tmleadr03

01-22-2014, 13:07

I've gotten to drive one for well over a month. Through all kinds of weather.. 700 miles driven in one day.. and I can tell you I love that SUV.

I have a few that come in the shop. Every damn time I think "Screw this X5 I am driving, I need one of these."

Tim K

01-22-2014, 13:46

MrPrena

01-22-2014, 14:42

It's a great lesson in static vs sliding friction coefficients. The way to win is to let the other guy pull you until he starts to spin. His friction coefficient goes to hell. Then you start pulling without spinning your tires. Easy win every time. It has close to nothing to do with the vehicles involved.

You beat me to it.

HP/Torque is one variable, but kinetic friction between tires and track is another. Good traction control system can be an another significant factor as well.

nynco

01-22-2014, 14:48

I just wish I could get a 4 cylinder Tdi in a AWD car/small SUV from VW or Audi. Dream car would be the resurrection of the cab forward Vanagon Camper in AWD with locking difs with a Tdi.

spqrzilla

01-22-2014, 15:07

How do you say "Hold mah beer and watch this" in German?

hghclsswhitetrsh

01-22-2014, 15:10

One says 'Merica fvck yeah, the other says nein, nein, nein!

tmleadr03

01-22-2014, 15:14

How do you say "Hold mah beer and watch this" in German?

Mein Bier halten, und dies zu sehen.

h2so4

01-22-2014, 15:18

I wonder if the chevy was in 4x4?

spqrzilla

01-22-2014, 15:20

Mein Bier halten, und dies zu sehen.

Well sure, but only if you do it in a Swabian accent.

nynco

01-22-2014, 15:30

Swabian... lord (redneck german). That was hard one when it was an older person. My base ended up taking most of the people from Swabish Gmuend when that closed, so I ended up down there with friends visiting other friends.

Kaiser.Shooter

01-22-2014, 15:34

Mein Bier halten, und dies zu sehen.

I'd say: Halt mein Bier und guck die Scheisse an [Beer]

Sawin

01-22-2014, 15:44

i was waiting for the part where the tow strap or chain snapped and killed the driver or people filming.

me too.

h2so4

01-22-2014, 15:45

me too.
always put a blanket, tarp, or something over the tow strap to absorb the energy and make it less deadly!

jerrymrc

01-22-2014, 18:54

Rooskibar03

01-22-2014, 19:13

That V10 Touareg was a beast. Was a blast to drive.

tmleadr03

01-22-2014, 19:35

That V10 Touareg was a beast. Was a blast to drive.

Schomp BMW has one for sale right now. I laughed when I checked out the pics and it has a tire pressure light on. Dumbasses. Don't take a pic with error lights on.

Hotchef181818

01-22-2014, 22:53

Schomp BMW has one for sale right now. I laughed when I checked out the pics and it has a tire pressure light on. Dumbasses. Don't take a pic with error lights on.

Having previously owned a touareg I can say the error lights are constantly on. If its not one thing it's another. One of the greatest suv's I've ever owned and one of the worst. It drove amazing, all the right proportions and the right motor. It sucked donkey balls in the snow and was constantly in the shop to the tune of 13k worth of work in 12 months.

ZERO THEORY

01-22-2014, 23:35

rockhound

01-23-2014, 07:56

driver in truck does not know how to drive, back end smoking tires, if your tires are spinning you have no traction

O2HeN2

01-23-2014, 08:05

driver in truck does not know how to drive, back end smoking tires, if your tires are spinning you have no traction

Coefficient of static friction (Touareg) vs. coefficient of dynamic friction (truck). Once the truck lit 'em up, it was over.

I too was waiting for the strap to break, killing someone.

O2

tmleadr03

01-23-2014, 08:24

Having previously owned a touareg I can say the error lights are constantly on. If its not one thing it's another. One of the greatest suv's I've ever owned and one of the worst. It drove amazing, all the right proportions and the right motor. It sucked donkey balls in the snow and was constantly in the shop to the tune of 13k worth of work in 12 months.

Tires make the difference in the snow more then traction control or AWD. My x5 was scary through Loveland pass in the snow till I put tires on it. Then it became a sure footed mountain goat.

The rest of it... wish you still had it and were bringing it to me. Lol.

MED

01-23-2014, 12:26

I will keep my Cummins Dually with a Bradford Flatbed...10 time more useful then both of these put together.

Anyhow, a better way to go about this is diesel sled pulling.

MED

01-23-2014, 14:27

Having previously owned a touareg I can say the error lights are constantly on. If its not one thing it's another. One of the greatest suv's I've ever owned and one of the worst. It drove amazing, all the right proportions and the right motor. It sucked donkey balls in the snow and was constantly in the shop to the tune of 13k worth of work in 12 months.

DAMN!!! that is about how much I spent on maintenance since i started driving in 1985!

Hotchef181818

01-23-2014, 19:39

DAMN!!! that is about how much I spent on maintenance since i started driving in 1985!

The funny part of it was that vw certified it before I bought it so they got to foot the bill. I still don't understand why they didn't just buy it back from me, guess I should have asked. Damn thing was constantly in the shop.

And I'll agree it needed snows to really perform but that's funny because my Tahoe doesn't. Kinda makes you scratch your head huh?

tmleadr03

01-23-2014, 20:18

The funny part of it was that vw certified it before I bought it so they got to foot the bill. I still don't understand why they didn't just buy it back from me, guess I should have asked. Damn thing was constantly in the shop.

And I'll agree it needed snows to really perform but that's funny because my Tahoe doesn't. Kinda makes you scratch your head huh?

Not really depending on the tires you had on the ho. Most light truck tires are significantly more aggressive tread patterns then even all season SUV tires.

Touareg OE tires:
http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/michelin/mi_latitude_tour_hp_ci2_l.jpg

Tahoe OE tires:
http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/bridgestone/bs_dueler_at_rhs_ci2_l.jpg