Has anyone been questioned as to the manufacture dates on their mags?

[mahabali]

Has anyone actually had a LEO or Range officer question your now pre-ban standard capacity mags while out shooting?

[brutal]

[hahhah-no]

[asmo]

Has anyone actually had a LEO or Range officer question your now pre-ban standard capacity mags while out shooting?

Just waiting for the day.. Then let the games begin.

[TFOGGER]

According to the fiscal impact statement for HB14-1151 (which would repeal this nonsense), exactly ONE person has been charged under this statute, and the case was still pending as of 1-21-14.

http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2014a/csl.nsf/fsbillcont3/E288C7EF72ADFAB887257C300005C225?Open&file=HB1151_00.pdf

[KS63]

I'm curious as to this one case. Is there a way to get more info or follow it?

[TFOGGER]

I have been trying to find the case referenced, and will post the details if I find them.

[Tech0662]

Nope

[blacklabel]

According to the fiscal impact statement for HB14-1151 (which would repeal this nonsense), exactly ONE person has been charged under this statute, and the case was still pending as of 1-21-14.

http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2014a/csl.nsf/fsbillcont3/E288C7EF72ADFAB887257C300005C225?Open&file=HB1151_00.pdf


Nope

So, uhh, this guy wasn't questioned?

[spqrzilla]

Is there a point to the OP question?

[kidicarus13]

Has anyone actually had a LEO or Range officer question your now pre-ban standard capacity mags while out shooting?

Anyone?

[Great-Kazoo]

Weld cty, No one cares. From the school crossing guard to the Sheriff himself.

[Circuits]

The manufacture date is unimportant under the law, just the date on which the magazine was lawfully possessed. Although a mfg date after 7/1/13 would be proof the magazine could not have been lawfully possessed prior to the cutoff.

[newracer]

^^This. You just can't purchase new mags in Colorado. Drive up to Cheyenne and bring them back

I was just in a shop near me last weekend that was openly selling 30 round Pmags.

[Madeinhb]

I was just in a shop near me last weekend that was openly selling 30 round Pmags.

Dang. Didn't even know they were shipping in to CO

[Eric P]

I was just in a shop near me last weekend that was openly selling 30 round Pmags.

I see them in many shops. But they say only LE can purchase them.

[SideShow Bob]

I see them in many shops. But they say only LE can purchase them.
And does it take an official letter from their C.O. On Dept. letter head stating that the magazines are for duty use ?
Or do they just need to flash Their badge, and are good to purchase all they want for personal use ?

[yz9890]

I see them in many shops. But they say only LE can purchase them.

A couple of shops in Englewood sell them to anyone. They're sold as repair kits because they're disassembled. All 4 pieces in original package though. Just disassembled.

[MOD: As stated below, this is illegal. ]

[spqrzilla]

The "repair approach" does not work, the language of the legislation has no such loophole. We've discussed this before.

By the way, my own definition of "too stupid to be allowed to own matches" is someone who goes to such a shop and buys such sketchy magazines with a credit card or check ...

[Great-Kazoo]

The "repair approach" does not work, the language of the legislation has no such loophole. We've discussed this before.

By the way, my own definition of "too stupid to be allowed to own matches" is someone who goes to such a shop and buys such sketchy magazines with a credit card or check ...

Multiple times.

[Circuits]

And does it take an official letter from their C.O. On Dept. letter head stating that the magazines are for duty use ?
Or do they just need to flash Their badge, and are good to purchase all they want for personal use ?
The law itself is silent on ID/duty use requirements being proven at the point of sale.

Some online vendors, like Brownell's, require a letterhead authorization in order to ship, but others just require the officer to file an affidavit of eligibility, or flat out don't care.

[J]

The final version of the law is silent on whether or not the mags have to be used or purchased for duty use. It only stipulates that the LEO/MIL must utilize a firearm in the execution of his/her duties. Doesn't even stipulate that the magazine has to be for a duty gun.

A quick reminder, to keep this on-track. Discussing methods that could be used to circumvent the law illegally will not be allowed. I've cleaned up a couple 'grey' areas here. Lets keep it factual and on-topic.

And as said above, buying complete magazines as a rebuild kit, or all parts independently to construct a new magazine is most definitely illegal.

[J]

Also, I am 99% sure how the first CBI 'sting' will be done for this law. They go crack down on one of these shops selling illegal 'mag rebuild kits'. Offer them a deal to run a sting from the shop for reduced punishment, then pick purchasers off one-by-one as they buy the illegal mag kits. Not a good idea in my book.

[TFOGGER]

Basically, the only way anyone is ever going to be convicted under this law is if they are caught in such a sting, are found to have dated mags produced after 7/1/13 in their possession, or freely admit to a LEO that the mags that they have in their possession are non-compliant with one or more provisions of the law. Stupid people will end up getting prosecuted, those that are able to pour water out of a boot by reading the instructions printed on the sole will not.

[SA Friday]

I doubt we will ever see a sting over this law. The first 'enforcement' will be when the ATF do an inspection and pull someone's FFL for violating state law which they are bound to enforce through executive order. They cannot prosecute the law, but they damn well can screw the dealer out of an FFL over it. This is the ONLY thing we will ever see happen from the law.

BTW, LE sales are they show an ID and the dealer sells it. No copies, no special paperwork, no letterhead… There is no requirement. The law makes all civilians lesser persons than LE under this law.

[wctriumph]

Never been questioned at all at any time by any gov' rep. I have seen them out in Pawnee and once in the mountains and they have never approached me. Maybe its the beard? I'm not worried about it, I'm completely legal across the board and, I'm a really nice guy.

[Circuits]

I doubt we will ever see a sting over this law. The first 'enforcement' will be when the ATF do an inspection and pull someone's FFL for violating state law which they are bound to enforce through executive order. They cannot prosecute the law, but they damn well can screw the dealer out of an FFL over it. This is the ONLY thing we will ever see happen from the law.

BTW, LE sales are they show an ID and the dealer sells it. No copies, no special paperwork, no letterhead… There is no requirement. The law makes all civilians lesser persons than LE under this law.
Not quite. We FFLs, and anyone who is engaged in business as a magazine manufacturer is also granted dispensation as a special unicorn.

Anyone who wants to (lawfully) possess post-July 1, 2013 magazines in Colorado simply needs to go into business as a magazine manufacturer, or get an FFL.

(the law also is silent on what constitutes being a manufacturer of magazines)

[RCCrawler]

It blows me away at the vendors openly selling "parts kits" even advertising they can get you whatever you want on several Facebook colorado gun sales pages.

[KS63]

I have. And they said they hoped I got as many PMAGS as I could because this Legislation sucks. True story.

[kidicarus13]

It blows me away at the vendors openly selling "parts kits" even advertising they can get you whatever you want on several Facebook colorado gun sales pages.

And with a comment like that it seems that you are against a store breaking the law to assist Colorado citizens in obtaining what they want/need. We, as a whole, complain about the new law but then criticize those that try to circumvent the laws we know are BS. I can only shake my head.

[RCCrawler]

I'm not against it at all, just surprised they do it so openly posting it on Facebook for anyone and everyone to see. Seems like if someone did ever decide to do a sting those guys would be the first ones nabbed.

[kidicarus13]

I'm not against it at all, just surprised they do it so openly posting it on Facebook for anyone and everyone to see. Seems like if someone did ever decide to do a sting those guys would be the first ones nabbed.

Ya, agreed. Maybe not the smartest decision by them. Wasn't commenting on you specifically but it seems like a lot of members fit into the category I described.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Not quite. We FFLs, and anyone who is engaged in business as a magazine manufacturer is also granted dispensation as a special unicorn.

Anyone who wants to (lawfully) possess post-July 1, 2013 magazines in Colorado simply needs to go into business as a magazine manufacturer, or get an FFL.

(the law also is silent on what constitutes being a manufacturer of magazines)

^^^ THIS.. at least for those of you who are paranoid.

[spqrzilla]

I have. And they said they hoped I got as many PMAGS as I could because this Legislation sucks. True story.

I would hope for more details. Which org? Where? What circumstances?

[spqrzilla]

And with a comment like that it seems that you are against a store breaking the law to assist Colorado citizens in obtaining what they want/need. We, as a whole, complain about the new law but then criticize those that try to circumvent the laws we know are BS. I can only shake my head.

Perhaps you have noticed that we have an election coming up shortly. I consider such operations as clown shows, because of reasons I've mentioned before - that they will suck in someone too stupid to protect themselves from the risks - as well as my fear that their open conduct will be used against us politically. I don't care what risk they take for themselves.

[Eric P]

Maybe a sheriff opposed to laws should try to enforce them to drum up support to repeal them.

By try, I mean harass, but not arrest anyone at ranges and setup checkpoints on roads entering Colorado. Like what they sometimes do for fireworks. Show how the laws fail to do any good.

[Great-Kazoo]

Maybe a sheriff opposed to laws should try to enforce them to drum up support to repeal them.

By try, I mean harass, but not arrest anyone at ranges and setup checkpoints on roads entering Colorado. Like what they sometimes do for fireworks. Show how the laws fail to do any good.


What, stop writing speeding tickets. I'm happy that LE's in NoCo have better things to do than , search firearm owners at ranges, parks and 7-11, for questionable mags.

[bruceleroy]

Whats that officer, you want to look at my mags? No thanks, I have comitted no crime and you have no probable cause to beleive that these are illegal other than they look a certain way.

I respect cops, mostly, but do not allow them to encroach on your rights. EVER!

[Artema]

As a protest everyone in the country should shave off dates and serial numbers, even 2012 and earlier magazines. I'm annoyed I only have a few pre-ban AR mags, and we shouldn't support enforcement efforts of unconstitutional laws. These 15 rounders are annoying!

[brutal]

Posting the qty of mags you have in a public internet forum is dumb.

That is all.

[Great-Kazoo]

As a protest everyone in the country should shave off dates and serial numbers, even 2012 and earlier magazines. I'm annoyed I only have a few pre-ban AR mags, and we shouldn't support enforcement efforts of unconstitutional laws. These 15 rounders are annoying!

Should i buff out my rifle serial #'s too? [fail]


Posting the qty of mags you have in a public internet forum is dumb.

That is all.

have a grinder i can borrow [facepalm]

[Artema]

Should i buff out my rifle serial #'s too? [fail]

Do you realize that would be illegal? I think you do, but you're just failing at sarcasm. There is no law on magazine inscriptions.

[brutal]

Now where did I put all those facepalm images?

[HoneyBadger]

Do you realize that would be illegal? I think you do, but you're just failing at sarcasm. There is no law on magazine inscriptions.
Lol... Don't mess with the CoAR Godfather! He knows the laws better than anyone else. You just missed the sarcasm. No worries! [Dunno]

[Great-Kazoo]

Lol... Don't mess with the CoAR Godfather! He knows the laws better than anyone else. You just missed the sarcasm. No worries! [Dunno]

Thanks,son;) . He's new here and not up on how some folks, respond with obscure references and [Sarcasm2].

[Great-Kazoo]

Do you realize that would be illegal? I think you do, but you're just failing at sarcasm. There is no law on magazine inscriptions.

Advocating removal of any identifying marks,or as you posted serial numbers. Is foolish, putting gun owners in a negative light. Hence my reply of serial numbers. With less than 50 post here, perhaps some more time spent getting a feel for the place, you'd understand how some of us are.

OR you could hit post 50 - ?? in a back and forth over meaningless shit. Defending your stance / position. Unfortunately you'd be wasting time, since you're on ignore.

[Artema]

Advocating removal of any identifying marks,or as you posted serial numbers. Is foolish, putting gun owners in a negative light. Hence my reply of serial numbers. With less than 50 post here, perhaps some more time spent getting a feel for the place, you'd understand how some of us are.

OR you could hit post 50 - ?? in a back and forth over meaningless shit. Defending your stance / position. Unfortunately you'd be wasting time, since you're on ignore.

I'm sorry to have upset you so much!

48321

[StagLefty]

I'm sorry to have upset you so much!

48321

[Pop]

[68Charger]

Too bad kazoo put him on ignore, that's a funny pic...

(Can't get smileies to work on my phone)

[spqrzilla]

Artema, just because you have a vagina does not mean everyone does.

[Artema]

Artema, just because you have a vagina does not mean everyone does.

That wit is scathing.

[brutal]

I'm sorry to have upset you so much!

48321

You're going to need something bigger for all the sand that is in Kazoo's vag.

[LOL]

[Great-Kazoo]

You're going to need something bigger for all the sand that is in Kazoo's vag.

[LOL]


MMMM you're not on ignore ?

[StagLefty]

MMMM you're not on ignore ?

I thought it was decoar15ized

[osok-308]

I'm actually going through an L.E. academy right now and someone asked the instructor about this. The instructor said he has not heard of anyone trying to enforce this and he wouldn't recommend us trying to either.

[kidicarus13]

I'm actually going through an L.E. academy right now and someone asked the instructor about this. The instructor said he has not heard of anyone trying to enforce this and he wouldn't recommend us trying to either.

Right along with "common sense" laws comes common sense enforcement.

[sneakerd]

As a manager at Firing Line, I can tell you that we don't care at all what size magazines you use on our range or where/when you bought them. We aren't LEO and have no reason to regardless.