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http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/fire-in-standley-lake-high-school-injures-2-students-school-evacuated
Bailey Guns
01-27-2014, 12:34
Wow. A headline that makes sense.
BPTactical
01-27-2014, 12:36
Play stupid games........
reports said he wanted to commit suicide.
Play stupid games........
But he didn't win his prize yet (suicide attempt).
HoneyBadger
01-27-2014, 12:45
Wow. A headline that makes sense.
And its actually not misleading at all.
[Eek1]
ChuckNorris
01-27-2014, 12:45
Where is the outcry for eliminating matches or lighters?
We need to put an end to this!
Someone get ahold of Bloomberg.
There is seriously something wrong with kids these days.
I think this is becoming a new way for teens and young adults to become famous. It is like they are starved for attention.
Between dr's prescriptions and people having children at an older age children are not like they were years ago.
At least the media didn't report he had an assault lighter.
Kids are crazy these days. I don't understand it.
blacklabel
01-27-2014, 12:59
Damn. If that's not a cry out for help, I don't know what is.
Kids are crazy these days. I don't understand it.
Like kids in the past never committed suicide. Sometimes even publicly.
BPTactical
01-27-2014, 13:10
Typically immolation is the ultimate state of protest.
Wonder what he was protesting?
Typically immolation is the ultimate state of protest.
Wonder what he was protesting?
Over cooked food served in the cafeteria?
Too soon?
I wish we could stop treating young adults like they were children. Teenagers are a product of the 20th century and a progressive notion that 13 year olds are not capable of adult responsibilities. There are plenty of 30 year olds who aren't capable of adult responsibilities. Expect the most from people and many of them will meet or exceed your expectations. This can be positive or negative.
mtnrider
01-27-2014, 13:19
..and people having children at an older age children are not like they were years ago.
.
I'm curious, why do you think that is a problem?
HoneyBadger
01-27-2014, 13:20
I wish we could stop treating young adults like they were children. Teenagers are a product of the 20th century and a progressive notion that 13 year olds are not capable of adult responsibilities. There are plenty of 30 year olds who aren't capable of adult responsibilities. Expect the most from people and many of them will meet or exceed your expectations. This can be positive or negative.
Interesting point. I totally agree.
RblDiver
01-27-2014, 13:34
Jeez, hope he gets help. I must say, I'm thankful he didn't try "Suicide by School Shooting."
I'm curious, why do you think that is a problem?
I grew up with mine we crashed bycycles, shot guns, crashed dirt bikes, fished, had dirt clod fights, built forts, played football, etc,etc,etc.
They had chores, they got spanked, they ate what we ate, they were taught respect, they earned their $$, they bought their own cars.
I now have a fantastic grandkid because of my kids "upbrining"
Today you have day care, sitters, nannies, expect the school to raise them, give em $$$, all this in place of being a parent. They don't have time for them now and didn't want to "risk" a carreer by having them when they were younger. So they are so out of touch with them they aren't even in the same world.
Have a friend that had them later in life, they are the most fuked up kids you ever met. He got in a fist fight with one the other night.
RCCrawler
01-27-2014, 13:42
Wow, if he thought life was bad enough to end it already, he's gonna love a few month stay in the burn unit.
mtnrider
01-27-2014, 13:47
I grew up with mine we crashed bycycles, shot guns, crashed dirt bikes, fished, had dirt clod fights, built forts, played football, etc,etc,etc.
They had chores, they got spanked, they ate what we ate, they were taught respect, they earned their $$, they bought their own cars.
I now have a fantastic grandkid because of my kids "upbrining"
Today you have day care, sitters, nannies, expect the school to raise them, give em $$$, all this in place of being a parent. They don't have time for them now and didn't want to "risk" a carreer by having them when they were younger. So they are so out of touch with them they aren't even in the same world.
Have a friend that had them later in life, they are the most fuked up kids you ever met. He got in a fist fight with one the other night.
I still don't see where age has Anything to do with that. I do all those things with my kids and I'm an old fart?
Age has nothing to do with it, there are just as many screwed up young parents as older ones. Bad parenting is bad parenting, there is no age requirement.
Maybe you are an exception, or ???
I see this all the time, go to the store you see people that look like grandparents but are the parent, and their kids are outa control.
What in the world is going on with our high schools?
I mean, thank god he didn't use a gun in the cafeteria, but I would think (in my completely armchair-psychologist opinion) that there were signs leading up to his point. I can't imagine that someone starts off thinking about committing suicide with fire.
mtnrider
01-27-2014, 14:02
Maybe you are an exception, or ???
I see this all the time, go to the store you see people that look like grandparents but are the parent, and their kids are outa control.
And I see just as many baby momma's with their kids out of control. Again, bad parents are bad parents. 15 or 50 doesn't matter.
And I see just as many baby momma's with their kids out of control. Again, bad parents are bad parents. 15 or 50 doesn't matter.
Don't even get me started with the single moms and their little paychecks in tow.
Maybe you are an exception, or ???
I see this all the time, go to the store you see people that look like grandparents but are the parent, and their kids are outa control.
Kids are outta control everywhere... When my 4 are in public, they are walking in formation behind us, and if they even think about touching something that I do not tell them to touch, or acting up, or even speak when not spoken to, there is consequenses they will not like.
I also believe kids are not allowed to work out frustrations or deal with bullies/frustrations like we could when I was a kid. Schoolyard justice is met with harsh penalties. So kids can't work out the issues themselves. It stews until it gets to an extreme.
hurley842002
01-27-2014, 14:11
And I see just as many baby momma's with their kids out of control. Again, bad parents are bad parents. 15 or 50 doesn't matter.
Agreed, it has not a damn thing to do with age. It's the shitty progressive culture that society is moving towards, where parents are not accountable, and instead of disciplining their out of control children, they blame it on a "diagnosis" or some other issue they don't have to be responsible for.
Agreed, it has not a damn thing to do with age. It's the shitty progressive culture that society is moving towards, where parents are not accountable, and instead of disciplining their out of control children, they blame it on a "diagnosis" or some other issue they don't have to be responsible for.
Parents act more like friends instead of a parent.
I believe my job is to give my children the skills to succeed in life. Not to please them or shelter them from disappointment. Life is disappointing at times, and if they make bad decisions, they receive bad consequences.
Parents act more like friends instead of a parent.
I believe my job is to give my children the skills to succeed in life. Not to please them or shelter them from disappointment. Life is disappointing at times, and if they make bad decisions, they receive bad consequences.
You've hit it on the head!
And just how to discipline?
You can't spank today because if your kid reports you you go to jail, or they get taken away.
And yes alot of older parents rely on the school system for the raising of their kids. Which is a huge mistake. And then The dr's give out drugs like rewards.( he/she needs this)
Fighting and taking care of bullies was part of growing up. (NO NO NO Mo.)
The shitty younger parents you see are a product of thier own shitty parents.
The list can go on and on. I am glad I had mine way back when I was young.
blacklabel
01-27-2014, 14:27
You're putting way too much weight on the age of the parents as to how a child is raised.
My parents had me old. I turned out ok. My kids are awesome. I got 3 and everyone always comments about how well behaved they all are.
I feel for kids these days. I see tons of horrible parenting especially in parking lots. A few times I've had to chase down someone else's kid.
On topic: if the kid thought life was rough, try living life with burn scars looking like melted plastic. Sad story.
I grew up with mine we crashed bycycles, shot guns, crashed dirt bikes, fished, had dirt clod fights, built forts, played football, etc,etc,etc.
They had chores, they got spanked, they ate what we ate, they were taught respect, they earned their $$, they bought their own cars.
I now have a fantastic grandkid because of my kids "upbrining"
Today you have day care, sitters, nannies, expect the school to raise them, give em $$$, all this in place of being a parent. They don't have time for them now and didn't want to "risk" a carreer by having them when they were younger. So they are so out of touch with them they aren't even in the same world.
Have a friend that had them later in life, they are the most fuked up kids you ever met. He got in a fist fight with one the other night.
If you're really lumping all older parents together and assuming they are all the same simply because they are older, you're an idiot.
I can't imagine that someone starts off thinking about committing suicide with fire.
Certainly wouldn't be the first method I'd try.
From a comment on KDVR's article:
"Prayers for all impacted :( My son was there and said it all happened so fast. The boy is a friend….And had a lot of issues. Thank you to the cafeteria workers who acted quickly and bravely-"
It seems to be what a lot of people say AFTER things happen.
blacklabel
01-27-2014, 17:01
I worked with a lady that did it. She locked herself in her car, doused herself in gasoline and lit up. She left behind two little kids. This was a couple of days after being fired. The manager that fired her was shook up to say the least.
3beansalad
01-27-2014, 17:07
We could study this ad nauseam and never understand the actions of this young man. But also never find the solution to the problem. Opinions aside, lots of kids these days are fighting a battle we as parents cannot understand nor avoid. As a father I wish I could fight this fight for my sons, but I'm stuck watching them struggle. All I can do is provide all the support I possible and pray they accept it.
And just how to discipline?
You can't spank today because if your kid reports you you go to jail, or they get taken away.
I discipline by following through. When I say they will loose thier XBOX if they do something I am fully prepared to literally unplug it an take it to the used game store. I do not make empty threats.
Also both of the parents in my household are on the same page. We both have the same answer/consequense/rules/etc, and we call each other out on it. There is PLENTY of things to do other than corporal punishment. This goes back to my other post. I am not their friend, I am here to do my best to teach them how to get through life on their own and give them the best chances in life based on my experience. And I frequently remind them of this. I am their best ally, but I will not bend the rules of life to spare them from some hardship just like what would happen in the real world. I discuss this with them every time "the hammer falls".
I think there is a multitude of things including the fact that we are in a mass media age where very powerful people can pick and choose what we see on a daily basis in the news. If someone wants us to think "well hey there is a lot of kids out there doing bad things, I wonder why" then it is very easy to do so. When in fact these things happen at a small rate normally.
I also think that kids feel like they have no other way out. Anyone with a teenager knows how emotional they can be. If you shelter a kid from life and life choices and the consequences because you are acting like a tent and protecting them from the rain, you are doing nothing but setting them up for failure. When they suddenly start feeling the sting of the real world where you can no longer control every aspect of their life, they don't know how to handle it.
Zundfolge
01-27-2014, 17:24
As sad as this story is, at least he had the decency to not try to take others with him like so many mass shooters do.
As sad as this story is, at least he had the decency to not try to take others with him like so many mass shooters do.
Not exactly, but he did scar everyone that he made a witness to it.
Sometimes people break. That's been a problem as long as there have been people. You can't legislate that away. Ever.
wctriumph
01-27-2014, 17:33
Pretty bad. Prayers on the way for him and his family.
Bailey Guns
01-27-2014, 17:53
Wow, if he thought life was bad enough to end it already, he's gonna love a few month stay in the burn unit.
Ha...that's what I was thinking. He just thought life sucked before.
SideShow Bob
01-27-2014, 17:56
Every time I think about this tragedy or read the posts, my mind brings up one of the childhood memories from watching the news. The power of TV........http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=buddhist%20monk%20sets%20self%20on%20fire%20in%2 0saigon&source=web&cd=8&ved=0CEcQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vie
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newracer
01-27-2014, 18:00
Wow, if he thought life was bad enough to end it already, he's gonna love a few month stay in the burn unit.
With 80% of his body burned I doubt he will make it that long but yes the rest of his life will suck.
Every time I think about this tragedy or read the posts, my mind brings up one of the childhood memories from watching the news. The power of TV........http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=buddhist%20monk%20sets%20self%20on%20fire%20in%2 0saigon&source=web&cd=8&ved=0CEcQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vie
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My high school history teacher showed my class a slideshow with photos of this. It shook me to the core - and I know wasn't the only one.
Think I'll take a night off from the internet when I go home and sit with my daughter while she does her homework, then do something else together if there is time before bed. I don't need her to ask for my attention by setting herself on fire.
Every time I think about this tragedy or read the posts, my mind brings up one of the childhood memories from watching the news. The power of TV........http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=buddhist%20monk%20sets%20self%20on%20fire%20in%2 0saigon&source=web&cd=8&ved=0CEcQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vie
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Tim Page certainly witnessed some history.
BPTactical
01-27-2014, 20:03
Maybe he discovered he had the gheyy.
The flaming kind.
Damn, that's like the 3rd semi major news incident at my old school. Was actually outside the ER room not knowing this was it till I saw this post later on.
I had a few smart ass replies ready...
Can't imagine what would possess someone to light themselves on fire. The selfishness of doing it around other people. If he lives, his life will be exponentially worse then whatever drove him to such a stupid action. Can't imagine what the parents are going through or what they will be going through. Again, selfishness.
Sad
SideShow Bob
01-27-2014, 21:01
Maybe he discovered he had the gheyy.
The flaming kind.
Come on Bert give it at least a day or two before starting in with the jokes........
It is society's fault that he wanted to go out in a Blaze of Glory............
BPTactical
01-27-2014, 22:02
Come on Bert give it at least a day or two before starting in with the jokes........
It is society's fault that he wanted to go out in a Blaze of Glory............
Sorry, idiotic people ignite my sarcastic side.
I guess he learned zippo at school today.
Give a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day.
Set him on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life
BREATHER
01-28-2014, 05:16
It seems that in todays society, life is cheap. "They" send youngsters off to wars that don't mean dick and they die and get maimed for what, protection from what ??????. We see gangstas offn' peeps all the time in movies for monetary gain. Oh wait a minute, "they" have wars for what again ???? Profit????
Kids seem to see death in a lackadaisical manner. Someone gets killed, oh well, lets move forward...
buffalobo
01-28-2014, 07:10
Maybe he discovered he had the gheyy.
The flaming kind.
Sorry, idiotic people ignite my sarcastic side.
I guess he learned zippo at school today.
Zippo, the art of immolation.
Love it, thanks Bert. I signed up a couple of my favorite politicians for that class. [Flower]
[snip]
I guess he learned zippo at school today.
[ROFL2] I shouldn't be laughing but that got me.
On a serious note... Kids this messed up and people think guns are the problem? American is in the gutter. Some people are saying bullying but I don't know... Bullying can be real I guess but so can kids dealing with it and learning. Plenty of bullying happened in the past and I can't recall a single case of a kid setting himself on fire over it.
The occasional suicide, sure. But this is nuts.
Give a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day.
Set him on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life
That quote looks familiar...[ROFL1]
Seriously, kids need to grow some thicker skin...
http://youtu.be/EaVoAzNAl-o
Bullying happens. We dealt with it using our fists on the playground when we had finally had enough of it. Still seems like a good way to go about it today.
speedysst
01-28-2014, 15:16
The war in Afghanistan has been going on for over 12 years now. If you sign up for the military in a time of war, how do you not expect to serve in a war zone?? "They" did not make anyone sign up. It was voluntary.
It seems that in todays society, life is cheap. "They" send youngsters off to wars that don't mean dick and they die and get maimed for what, protection from what ??????. We see gangstas offn' peeps all the time in movies for monetary gain. Oh wait a minute, "they" have wars for what again ???? Profit????
Kids seem to see death in a lackadaisical manner. Someone gets killed, oh well, lets move forward...
Bullying happens. We dealt with it using our fists on the playground when we had finally had enough of it. Still seems like a good way to go about it today.
Can't do it. "Zero tolerance policy." The kid that stands up to a bully or sticks up for another, get punished just as severely as the bully. And it's not just detention for a couple of weeks anymore either. Something like that can generate a criminal record for a kid these days.
Give a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day.
Set him on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life
HEY!!! That is MY line. [ROFL1]
n8tive97
01-28-2014, 19:20
My heart goes out to this kid, hid parents and everyone who had to witness something so horrific. Nothing like a video game. sad very sad.
Sent from my ultra conservative tracking device.....
hollohas
01-28-2014, 19:23
Apparently, the kid had been talking about killing himself for quite some time on facebook. Nobody bothered to intervene. Shame. Although I never feel bad for people who are selfish enough to kill themselves, my heart breaks for the other kids who had to see that. What a F'ed up thing to do. He obviously chose the school on purpose so he could hurt others. If he really just wanted to get out of this world he would have done it at home in the garage. Just f'ed up. So sick.
Can't do it. "Zero tolerance policy." The kid that stands up to a bully or sticks up for another, get punished just as severely as the bully. And it's not just detention for a couple of weeks anymore either. Something like that can generate a criminal record for a kid these days.
Hell, in MY day (mid 70s), The guy who started the fight MIGHT have gotten a 3 day suspension, but more often just got the rest of the day off and a call to his parents. If the guy who he hit kicked his ass, more often than not the incident was considered never to have happened. Everyone learned something. Nobody got seriously hurt (mostly black eyes, bloody noses, and the occasional split lip). Bullies learned it wasn't safe to pick on people, those bullied learned that it was ok to stand up to the bullies. All of those lessons are missing today. Hell, I was bullied right up to the point that I decided NOT to be. Amazing how bloodying someones nose and kicking them in the 'nads will change their attitude.
ZERO THEORY
01-28-2014, 22:50
During some particularly soul-crushing times in my life, I'd be lying if I said I didn't think it would be easier to just check out.
Walking into a crowded assembly center and setting myself on fire did not enter the realm of possibility or options.
http://news.msn.com/us/colorado-police-student-who-set-himself-on-fire-dies
Vincent Nett was burned over 80 percent of his body after setting himself on fire at a suburban Denver high school last month.
WESTMINSTER, Colo. (http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?form=MSNNDL&q=Westminster,%20Colorado,%20United%20States) — Police say a 16-year-old student who set himself on fire at a suburban Denver high school nearly two weeks ago has died.
Westminster Police Department police investigator Cheri Spottke says that Vincent Nett succumbed to his injuries around 5 p.m. Sunday. The boy was burned over 80 percent of his body and had been in critical condition at a local hospital.
According to police and fire reports, the boy doused himself with an accelerant before lighting himself on fire in an apparent suicide attempt in Standley Lake High School's cafeteria on Jan. 27.
Spottke says the official cause of death will come from the coroner's office.
She says counselors will be available Monday at the Westminster school.
BPTactical
02-10-2014, 08:22
Self correcting problem.
Hell, in MY day (mid 70s), The guy who started the fight MIGHT have gotten a 3 day suspension, but more often just got the rest of the day off and a call to his parents. If the guy who he hit kicked his ass, more often than not the incident was considered never to have happened. Everyone learned something. Nobody got seriously hurt (mostly black eyes, bloody noses, and the occasional split lip). Bullies learned it wasn't safe to pick on people, those bullied learned that it was ok to stand up to the bullies. All of those lessons are missing today. Hell, I was bullied right up to the point that I decided NOT to be. Amazing how bloodying someones nose and kicking them in the 'nads will change their attitude.
This is how it should be! Someone picks on you, light his ass up until he's crying for mommy, then drag him into the restroom, stuff his head in a shitter and give him a swirly! But no, we must pussify our children by punishing them for even thinking about defending themselves......
speedysst
02-10-2014, 12:46
Its as if you are cursing in every sentence because of a word related to really hot burning things.
http://news.msn.com/us/colorado-police-student-who-set-himself-on-****-dies
clublights
02-10-2014, 13:18
Hell, in MY day (mid 70s), The guy who started the fight MIGHT have gotten a 3 day suspension, but more often just got the rest of the day off and a call to his parents. If the guy who he hit kicked his ass, more often than not the incident was considered never to have happened. Everyone learned something. Nobody got seriously hurt (mostly black eyes, bloody noses, and the occasional split lip). Bullies learned it wasn't safe to pick on people, those bullied learned that it was ok to stand up to the bullies. All of those lessons are missing today. Hell, I was bullied right up to the point that I decided NOT to be. Amazing how bloodying someones nose and kicking them in the 'nads will change their attitude.
This is how it should be! Someone picks on you, light his ass up until he's crying for mommy, then drag him into the restroom, stuff his head in a shitter and give him a swirly! But no, we must pussify our children by punishing them for even thinking about defending themselves......
When I was a sophomore ( early 90's ) I got suspended for defending myself ( and winning ) after being jumped by 3 gang members. Me and my Dad were rather confused that I was suspend for fighting.. when all I did was defend myself. when my dad asked what was I supposed to do the principal said "Not fight"... "So He was supposed to just stand there and take being beaten on?" .. " well no but he can't fight !" I'll never forget he look on the principals face when we asked what that.
We left the office and my dad made it to a fun 3 day vacation for me since it was bullshit.
Logic just fails these people.
When I was a sophomore ( early 90's ) I got suspended for defending myself ( and winning ) after being jumped by 3 gang members. Me and my Dad were rather confused that I was suspend for fighting.. when all I did was defend myself. when my dad asked what was I supposed to do the principal said "Not fight"... "So He was supposed to just stand there and take being beaten on?" .. " well no but he can't fight !" I'll never forget he look on the principals face when we asked what that.
We left the office and my dad made it to a fun 3 day vacation for me since it was bullshit.
Logic just fails these people.
Same mentality as those who think everything will be all well and good in the world when noone has weapons and the only folks allowed to be armed is the police and military. And then they will be just a phone call away and instantly come to your rescue.
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