Firing Squads Instead of Drugs?

[eneranch]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/28/executions-death-penalty-states/4959203/

What say you?

[HoneyBadger]

Yea

[Aloha_Shooter]

I don't even know why we bother with clinics and drugs for most of these scum. You can reuse the rope and reload the brass.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

When was the last state execution? I highly doubt using a firearm will be ok with the masses. But I'm good with it. I have a 525 round pack of 22lr.

[sniper7]

I think they need to get more creative. Pay per view style to cover the cost of housing and feeding

[merl]

110% yes. A headshot with a good hunting round is more humane than drugs. (just messier)

[davsel]

I think they need to get more creative. Pay per view style to cover the cost of housing and feeding
Gladiator Games coming soon!

[Irving]

When was the last state execution? I highly doubt using a firearm will be ok with the masses. But I'm good with it. I have a 525 round pack of 22lr.

Within the past 6 years in Utah. Guy requested it and I called tonget info to see if people could just show up.

[Sawin]

Why not use a powerful captive bolt pistol... ever seen "No Country for Old Men"?

[HoneyBadger]

Public hangings are a bit crude, but I think they are an effective and much-needed tool.

[Bailey Guns]

Public hangings are a bit crude, but I think they are an effective and much-needed tool.

Crude? Maybe. So are the methods by which most criminals kill their victims. So I'd be all for hangings, too. I'll even buy the inaugural rope for the first hanging in Colorado.

[blacklabel]

A bit creepy but I always like finding out where the hanging tree is in towns.

[HoneyBadger]

Crude? Maybe. So are the methods by which most criminals kill their victims. So I'd be all for hangings, too. I'll even buy the inaugural rope for the first hanging in Colorado.
Indeed. Very generous of you to provide the first rope. [Beer]

[Skip]

Crude? Maybe. So are the methods by which most criminals kill their victims. So I'd be all for hangings, too. I'll even buy the inaugural rope for the first hanging in Colorado.

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I've wondered why we occupy ourselves with concern over how much pain the criminal feels. He goes to sleep and dies in a sterile environment having time to make himself right and say "goodbye."

Most of the time, the victims are alert in sheer panic and desperation, feeling the life being taken from their bodies. Some after seeing their loved ones murdered in the same way. None were given the opportunity to say goodbye to their loved ones or make arrangements.

[wctriumph]

Back when the Constitution was written, hanging and firing squads were not cruel and unusual, why are they today? In the arab world they perform public beheading, seems pretty quick and painless to me if the right equipment is used. The tried and true methods are the best.

[HoneyBadger]

+1

I've wondered why we occupy ourselves with concern over how much pain the criminal feels. He goes to sleep and dies in a sterile environment having time to make himself right and say "goodbye."

Most of the time, the victims are alert in sheer panic and desperation, feeling the life being taken from their bodies. Some after seeing their loved ones murdered in the same way. None were given the opportunity to say goodbye to their loved ones or make arrangements.
Very good points.

[Guylee]

There's a lot of calculation that goes into hanging. Too long of a rope, and the person's head just pops off. Too little, and they strangle to death.

[merl]

Too long of a rope, and the person's head just pops off. I'm not seeing the issue here, anyone got a mop?

[TheBelly]

A bit creepy but I always like finding out where the hanging tree is in towns.

I know where the one in my hometown is located. It's easily visible from the parts of town that, in the times when hanging was used, needed to see someone hanged.

[TheBelly]

There's a lot of calculation that goes into hanging. Too long of a rope, and the person's head just pops off. Too little, and they strangle to death.

I always understood (and I fully admit that I may be wrong) that it's more of how far they drop... I think the correct dropping distance is about 24", so that it breaks the neck and severs the spinal column.

Am I wrong in this?

[Gman]

They should be public, and I don't have a problem with criminals being executed by hanging or firing squad. They're both very effective and serve as a warning to the criminal minded in our society.

[Ronin13]

Why not use a rod propelled by compressed air? Ya know, like how they do it with cows.

[kidicarus13]

Why not use a powerful captive bolt pistol... ever seen "No Country for Old Men"?


Why not use a rod propelled by compressed air? Ya know, like how they do it with cows.

Same thing

[mcjhr]

I always understood (and I fully admit that I may be wrong) that it's more of how far they drop... I think the correct dropping distance is about 24", so that it breaks the neck and severs the spinal column.

Am I wrong in this?

Pretty sure its that and where they place the knot. Almost like wringing a chicken.

[KestrelBike]

They should be public, and I don't have a problem with criminals being executed by hanging or firing squad. They're both very effective and serve as a warning to the criminal minded in our society.

I'm not sure the Death Penalty is much of a deterence for those who truly deserve it (they should ask people on death row: "Hey, how much did you consider before committing your crime whether or not you might face death as a penalty?").

I think capital punishment bears an extreme burden of proof, but I'm for it. Not with the stupid amount of appeals that delay an execution for 30+ years though.

I'm fine with shooting or hanging. What I don't really like is electrocution or lethal injection/gas. If you want to torture them, sure, ok I can't change your mind. But if the goal of capital punishment is to remove them from the world, just get it done as quick and as cleanly as possible. Probably the best way of execution = Overdose the shit out of them with morphine and follow up with a good pillow smothering. That should be painless and foolproof, right? It could only cost a couple hundred bucks, which should be tons cheaper than whatever chemical/electrical method in use now. Of course, compare that to the cost of a $2 rope or $1.50 for 5rnds of ammo.

[brianakell]

yup. Kill em. Rope, gun, train, whatever works. Cheap, and should be quick. If not quick, just as well. You take someones rights away from them, IE murder, rape, molestation etc, you deserve to die.

What about the conscience of the executioner? Easy, just ask volunteers. Pick any heinous crime, and youll get a bushel of people more than happy to pull the trigger or yank the lever.

[Great-Kazoo]

I think they need to get more creative. Pay per view style to cover the cost of housing and feeding

The system would crash hours before the actual event.
Our family are strong supporters of the Death Penalty, no matter how it's done. The less humane the better.

[merl]

The less humane the better.
That pesky constitution.

[davsel]

There's a lot of calculation that goes into hanging. Too long of a rope, and the person's head just pops off. Too little, and they strangle to death.


I always understood (and I fully admit that I may be wrong) that it's more of how far they drop... I think the correct dropping distance is about 24", so that it breaks the neck and severs the spinal column.

Am I wrong in this?


Pretty sure its that and where they place the knot. Almost like wringing a chicken.

From: http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/human-biology/death-by-hanging.htm

The modern method of judicial hanging is called the long drop. This is the method that Iraqi officials used to execute Saddam Hussein. In the long drop, those planning the execution calculate the drop distance required to break the subject's neck based on his or her weight, height and build. They typically aim to get the body moving quickly enough after the trap door opens to produce between 1,000 and 1,250 foot-pounds of torque (http://auto.howstuffworks.com/auto-parts/towing/towing-capacity/information/fpte.htm) on the neck when the noose jerks tight. This distance can be anywhere from 5 to 9 feet (1.5 to 2.7 meters). With the knot of the noose placed at the left side of the subject's neck, under the jaw, the jolt to the neck at the end of the drop is enough to break or dislocate a neck bone called the axis, which in turn should sever the spinal cord. In some cases, the hangman jerks up on the rope at the precise moment when the drop is ending in order to facilitate the breakage.

This is the ideal situation in a long drop. When the neck breaks and severs the spine, blood (http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/human-biology/blood.htm) pressure drops down to nothing in about a second, and the subject loses consciousness. Brain death (http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/inside-the-mind/human-brain/brain-death.htm) then takes several minutes to occur, and complete death can take more than 15 or 20 minutes, but the person at the end of the rope most likely can't feel or experience any of it.

On the next page, we'll learn about other kinds of hangings and how they cause death.

[Eric P]

I honestly don't care how they do it, or how much pain and suffering the criminal is subjected to as long as the criminal is ended.

[KevDen2005]

Think of the guy that has to clean that up.

[buffalobo]

The system would crash hours before the actual event.
Our family are strong supporters of the Death Penalty, no matter how it's done. The less humane the better.

^^^^This. I have always been partial to drawn and quartered.

Sent from my electronic ball and chain.

[blacklabel]

Think of the guy that has to clean that up.

Do it over a tarp, drag tarp to incinerator, incinerate, done.

[sroz]

Wonderful.......let's give the government another excuse to purchase a billion rounds of ammo.

[HoneyBadger]

Wonderful.......let's give the government another excuse to purchase a billion rounds of ammo.
LOL way to be an optimist...

[KevDen2005]

Wonderful.......let's give the government another excuse to purchase a billion rounds of ammo.

Dude, a billion is not really that much. Trust me, I have two billion in my basement and have room for at least a billion more

[SideShow Bob]

Dude, a billion is not really that much. Trust me, I have two billion in my basement and have room for at least a billion more

Hoarder ! You need you share your wealth, just as Obummer is going to narrow the gap between the wealthy (you) and the poor (me).

[Bailey Guns]

There's a lot of calculation that goes into hanging. Too long of a rope, and the person's head just pops off. Too little, and they strangle to death.

Both of which are acceptable alternatives to a perfect hanging. I don't give a rat's ass about how much the condemned suffers. At all.

[Gman]

I don't give a rat's ass about how much the condemned suffers. At all.
Crucifixion anyone?

[sroz]

Hoarder ! You need you share your wealth, just as Obummer is going to narrow the gap between the wealthy (you) and the poor (me).

Yes....we need to narrow the ammunition gap!

[th3w01f]

How about a good old fashion catapulting? If a random direction proves ineffective we can pay someone to build a big wall.

I think our death penalty is ineffective because criminals understand it's still a good 10 - 20 years before anything happens. Not saying China would be a good place to live but I think their policies would actually have an impact on criminals thought process.


In May 2007, Zheng was convicted of taking bribes and dereliction of duty and sentenced to death by a trial court in Beijing. Zheng entered an appeal for leniency on June 12, saying that the sentence was "too severe" citing the fact that he had confessed his crimes and cooperated with investigators. However, the court ruled that he was a "great danger" to the country and its reputation. The appeal was rejected on June 22 and he was executed on July 10, 2007

[Great-Kazoo]

That pesky constitution.

You need to get fucking real. Put to death as painfully as possible. AFTER FOUND GUILTY BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. ABSOLUTELY.
These repeat felons don't give a shit about the Constitution or your rights as they beat you to death with baseball bats, after forcing you to watch the rape and slow death of your wife. YEAH THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. NOT AT ALL.

I've seen the results 3 x how a leinent court and parole system failed, first hand. PLEA BARGAIN MY ASS. I'd donate my ammo , time and firearm to make sure the sentence was carried out.

[Irving]

No one asked me but, I don't think the main purpose of capital punishment is to prevent crime, but rather to dispose of those who have committed crimes heinous enough to be disposed of.

[Great-Kazoo]

No one asked me but, I don't think the main purpose of capital punishment is to prevent crime, but rather to dispose of those who have committed crimes heinous enough to be disposed of.

Try getting some of the "liberal" mind set on this board to see that. OH BOO HOO a violent repeat offender is going to suffer needlessly, while being executed. OH the Horror.
The horror the family of the victim suffers through. The horror how much is spent, on review after review. The horror we are taxed, for their incarceration. The horror of tv, movie, book deals some leach receives for "bringing to light the injustice" mumia abdual jamar went through.
Yeah Right.[facepalm]

[merl]

You need to get fucking real. Put to death as painfully as possible. AFTER FOUND GUILTY BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. ABSOLUTELY.
These repeat felons don't give a shit about the Constitution or your rights as they beat you to death with baseball bats, after forcing you to watch the rape and slow death of your wife. YEAH THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. NOT AT ALL.

I've seen the results 3 x how a leinent court and parole system failed, first hand. PLEA BARGAIN MY ASS. I'd donate my ammo , time and firearm to make sure the sentence was carried out.


Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Nah, being drawn & quartered is not cruel. Launched in a catapult is not unusual.
Someone who has been tried, found guilty, and sentenced to death has earned a death at the hands of the state. A gunshot to the head is a humane was to do this, more so than drugs in my opinion. Torturing someone to death as some here are advocating is not allowable, even if it was not expressly forbidden in the constitution.

[Irving]

Torture is a worthless waste of time. The point of the death penalty isn't that it is scary for the person, or that it hurts, it's that the criminal is beyond any chance of reprisal and needs to be eliminated. Personally, and I'm sure others would disagree, I don't see the merit in torturing before killing. The criminal won't learn a lesson. Even if they DO learn a lesson, you are still killing them after, so it doesn't matter. So why waste the time? Put them down, put them in the ground, move on. Absolutely no need for fan fare.

[Great-Kazoo]

Nah, being drawn & quartered is not cruel. Launched in a catapult is not unusual.
Someone who has been tried, found guilty, and sentenced to death has earned a death at the hands of the state. A gunshot to the head is a humane was to do this, more so than drugs in my opinion. Torturing someone to death as some here are advocating is not allowable, even if it was not expressly forbidden in the constitution.

Neither is murder, why not give felons something to really think about besides 3 hots and a cot.

[merl]

Neither is murder, why not give felons something to really think about besides 3 hots and a cot.

I thought this thread was about 3 hots, a cot, and a bullet in the morning. Did I miss something?

[sroz]

I thought this thread was about 3 hots, a cot, and a bullet in the morning. Did I miss something?

No. You're keeping up quite well.

[MattR]

One 50 BMG round to the chest at 10 yards would do the trick nicely I think. That or...wait for it...ITS SLEDGE-O-MATIC!!!! The victims/victims families could have a plastic tarp like the front row at Gallagher's shows. Lol

[Hound]

.338 to the head.... Painless and cheaper than drugs by a long shot.

[rondog]

Indeed. Very generous of you to provide the first rope. [Beer]

Hell, let's make it a picnic. I'll bring potato salad!

[rondog]

I understand that guillotines were quick, painless and effective.....

[Limited GM]

IMO, the deterrent isn't how it's done, but when it's done. It's rediculus that people so often die of old age while on death roll. Criminals know that even if they get convicted they stand a good chance of living out there life's. The sentence should be carried out within an hour of the verdict.

Humanly or torturous? I think regardless of what some think, sometimes the innocent are convicted. No use making them suffer unneededly. Just quickly send them to meet God and he'll handle the deserved punishment. YMMV.

[rockhound]

"they would've been hanged, beheaded, drawn and quartered, and oh my personal favorite, had their entrails cut out and burned"

IMHO whatever it takes to get the job done

[Bailey Guns]

I'm with Irving. The death penalty isn't meant to be a deterrent. It's punishment. The ultimate punishment. Once it's time to carry it out, do it, get it over with regardless of the method, and move on.

[HoneyBadger]

IMO, the deterrent isn't how it's done, but when it's done. It's rediculus that people so often die of old age while on death roll. Criminals know that even if they get convicted they stand a good chance of living out there life's. The sentence should be carried out within an hour of the verdict.

Humanly or torturous? I think regardless of what some think, sometimes the innocent are convicted. No use making them suffer unneededly. Just quickly send them to meet God and he'll handle the deserved punishment. YMMV.
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