View Full Version : "Bi Partisan" HB 1166 (CCW related)? WTF?
Zundfolge
02-07-2014, 11:53
Ok, so what am I missing? What evil have the Democrats put in this thing to make it attractive to Democrats (who I can't believe would support ANY bill that would make the lives of gun owners ... ESPECIALLY CCWers ... anything but more complicated and difficult)?
text of bill (PDF) (http://www.leg.state.co.us/Clics/CLICS2014A/csl.nsf/fsbillcont3/66E3D0CF29FD01DA87257C43006358FE?Open&file=1166_01.pdf)
Source (http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_25077040/gun-permit-renewal-bill-bipartisan-colorado)
Gun permit renewal bill bipartisan in Colorado
The Associated Press
Posted: 02/06/2014 11:02:24 AM MST
DENVER—Gun owners with concealed weapons permits would have an easier time renewing their permits under a bill that is winning rare bipartisan support in Colorado.
The bill allows gun owners to renew their permits in the counties where they live. Currently they're required to renew concealed carry permits through the county sheriff who issued the permit. That can require long trips for people who move.
The measure has Democratic sponsors and got a unanimous 13-0 vote Thursday in the House Local Government Committee. Most gun proposals bring sharp party-line disagreements. The bill awaits a vote by the full House.
Fiscal analysts say the bill won't affect the state budget, but could affect various counties as some lose $50 renewal fees while others gain.
Dems will vote for it because it does not really do anything one way or the other regarding gun rights.
Then they can say they voted FOR gun owner rights.
Dems will vote for it because it does not really do anything one way or the other regarding gun rights.
Then they can say they voted FOR gun owner rights.
This.
"we worked with you, now you work with us."
Who knows, maybe they think they will be able to "track" these ccw permit holders better. I like it, but I don't trust it.
mtnrider
02-07-2014, 12:37
Has to be more behind it. I don't trust them at all. Could this be a move to put renewal under Police vs Sheriff? Which of course who would eventual be ordered to not sign off on them any more. I say leave it with the Sheriff, at least most of them are on our side.
I'm willing to look at it and see if it passes the smell test, but usually the only time we see bipartisan cooperation is when they are about to put the screws to the taxpayers...
Only potential bad I can see there is if some counties make it rather difficult to renew (as some counties seem to make it difficult to obtain initially).
After this bill you are required to use your local PD
Dems will vote for it because it does not really do anything one way or the other regarding gun rights.
Then they can say they voted FOR gun owner rights.
^^ THIS ^^ x10
Its a loss leader for them.
Has to be more behind it. I don't trust them at all. Could this be a move to put renewal under Police vs Sheriff? Which of course who would eventual be ordered to not sign off on them any more. I say leave it with the Sheriff, at least most of them are on our side.
Only potential bad I can see there is if some counties make it rather difficult to renew (as some counties seem to make it difficult to obtain initially).
After this bill you are required to use your local PD
It says counties. The text of the bill references Sheriffs. Where in there did anything infer local PD?
How could local PD refuse to sign off on a state mandated "shall issue?"
We're not talking NFA stuff here.
It says counties. The text of the bill references Sheriffs. Where in there did anything infer local PD?
How could local PD refuse to sign off on a state mandated "shall issue?"
We're not talking NFA stuff here.
local sheriff is part of local PD are they not? was just not specific enough I guess.
local Sheriff could say "Come in on the first Tuesday mornings of the month only" could they not? This bill is probably not meant as a negative so I'm reaching to get that but it does require people follow policies of their local sheriff.
james_bond_007
02-07-2014, 14:20
Dems will vote for it because it does not really do anything one way or the other regarding gun rights.
Then they can say they voted FOR gun owner rights.
Exactly what I was thinking.
Consider it a bone that they are throwing.
Like a bone, it doesn't have any MEAT on it.
Great-Kazoo
02-07-2014, 15:16
]local sheriff is part of local PD are they not? [/B] was just not specific enough I guess.
local Sheriff could say "Come in on the first Tuesday mornings of the month only" could they not? This bill is probably not meant as a negative so I'm reaching to get that but it does require people follow policies of their local sheriff.
No they are not. the COUNTY SHERIFF is a separate entity from a town, or city OD. Different budget, 1 is elected (sheriff) 1 is appointed, Sheriff runs the county prison system, etc.
The real reason the D's are supporting this, ELECTIONS.
county is not considered local?
sorry for misusing the name LOCAL POLICE instead of LOCAL SHERIFF (is not sheriff a form of police?)
spqrzilla
02-07-2014, 16:05
"Sheriff" is a county office with certain powers that no other municipality LEO has.
Circuits
02-07-2014, 16:37
Two county "sheriffs" are appointed rather than elected - sheriff of the city and county of denver, and police chief of the city and county of broomfield.
Zundfolge
02-07-2014, 17:21
So this is just pandering from Democrats and there's no poison pill buried in this thing (maybe something like putting all CCW's under the control of the state gov or CBI or something)?
Didn't see one.
Only downside is if you have a permit from an easier county you must use your county of residence (or where you run a business)
bottom of page 4 changes the word "shall" to "must" in regards to the contents of a renewal form.
The renewal form "shall/must" meet the requirements specified in section 18-22-205(1) for an application
but the requirement listed there seem to be "sign in front of the sheriff where you live or own a business". The option to use the county where you were issued is removed from that section.
osok-308
02-07-2014, 18:48
Dems will vote for it because it does not really do anything one way or the other regarding gun rights.
Then they can say they voted FOR gun owner rights.
This is how they can say that they compromised on gun laws.
DavieD55
02-07-2014, 20:51
No they are not. the COUNTY SHERIFF is a separate entity from a town, or city OD. Different budget, 1 is elected (sheriff) 1 is appointed, Sheriff runs the county prison system, etc.
The real reason the D's are supporting this, ELECTIONS.
Right. They are working hard to make voter fraud easier in local elections now with CO HB14-1164.
Man. That sucks!!!
My permit is in Broomfield, walk in any time during business hours, minimal wait, easy to work with.
I live in Adams now, where you get two 4 hour windows every week with insane lines.
Plus the Broomfield office is 5 minutes from me, Adams is half an hour.
UrbanWolf
02-07-2014, 23:29
Dems will vote for it because it does not really do anything one way or the other regarding gun rights.
Then they can say they voted FOR gun owner rights.
+1
KevDen2005
02-08-2014, 02:12
They need to look like they are doing something in support of gun owners. They had a lot of losses last year.
Jeffrey Lebowski
02-08-2014, 12:59
I really wish we just weren't on the county system period. The fact that we all have different looking permits is bogus, and if you have to show it out of state questions sometimes follow.
Are changes made in committee? I don't believe so. Wondering who is best to write to try to get them to add the home county renewal they propose, but WITHOUT taking away issuing county renewals.
DavieD55
02-08-2014, 20:07
Are changes made in committee? I don't believe so. Wondering who is best to write to try to get them to add the home county renewal they propose, but WITHOUT taking away issuing county renewals.
Amendments are usually added during second reading of a bill on the floor of the House or Senate.
Dems will vote for it because it does not really do anything one way or the other regarding gun rights.
Then they can say they voted FOR gun owner rights.
DEMS: "We let you trim our overgrown toe nails. Now give us your legs. That sounds fair."
I suspect they think that the current-location sheriff is more up to speed on the questionable character of the gun owner than the sheriff where the gun owner used to live and thus can keep a closer eye on said ne'er-do-well
Zundfolge
02-09-2014, 13:36
Amendments are usually added during second reading of a bill on the floor of the House or Senate.
Ah ... so they may yet have some evil up their sleeves.
SenHolbert
02-18-2014, 20:14
Has anyone identified anything wrong with HB 14-1166? I looked at it closely and all that I could see was that it allows a Colorado CCW holder who has moved to a new/different county the option to renew their CCW with the Sheriff of the county where he/she now resides. As of today, that person would need to go back to his/her prior county to renew… or start from scratch in his/her new county. Also, Rep. Ed Vigil, the House sponsor, was one of the few Democrats who voted against some of the Dem's citizen-control legislation in 2013. He's a good man from the San Luis Valley.
Look at my posts above. For me, I would be 110% FOR this, if they didn't REMOVE the option to renew at the issuing sheriff. My issuing sheriff, Broomfield, has the process down pat! Very easy to work with, walk in any time during business hours and get it done, and they are actually about half an hour closer to my current residence (I live on the border of the two counties). I think it is great to allow people to renew at their new sheriff OR the issuing sheriff, but as I read this bill, it makes it so that you can only renew at the new sheriff, and removes the option to renew at the issuing sheriff.
Now, if I have to go to Adams where I currently reside, I face a multiple hour wait! I can only go to Adams on a Tuesday between 0800 and 1200, or Thursday between 1300 and 1700. And I have a 30-45 minute drive to get there then a multiple hour wait, instead of a 5 minute drive and a multiple minute wait.
I'll do what I have to do, but I think the BEST bill is to expand the current laws and allow current residents to renew in their new counties, but DO NOT remove the ability to renew in the issuing county.
That is just my $0.02. I'll do what I have to do, even if it means dealing with the insane headache of renewing in Adams co. Unfortunately the State Laws make many things required of the county sheriffs for CCW, but one of those is not how convenient they make it. I am fully convinced that some purposefully make it as inconvenient as possible while staying within the bounds of the law. Unfortunately my current county is one of them... It seems they make it about as difficult as possible for one to do the whole legal CCW process, and in my opinion this is done to dissuade potential applicants as much as possible.
hollohas
02-18-2014, 21:04
This isn't to make it easier for folks who have to drive a distance to their issuing county. This is to make it harder. They don't WANT you to be able to renew across a county boarder. Keep better local tabs on CCW folks and like J said, make it harder for those guys who now live in counties that make renewal a PITA. This is another bill that only helps the liberal metro area. Now if people with permits from another county that had easy permits move into Denver, it will be a PITA for them to renew under local policies. Plain and simple.
I'm also in a similar situation, except I got my permit in the county where I have my business(Jeffco), rather than where I reside(Adams), for identical reasons as J stated above. Adams county has made it as difficult as possible for residents to apply or renew permits without getting sued.I would welcome this measure if it expanded the options without restricting any of the current ones, otherwise I don't see the advantage.
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